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Eric Stoner
04-16-2014, 08:49 AM
I am not as tuned in as I used to be with the Manhattan skin biz. Time was PEC was the gold standard. If you got hired there ; if you had game ; if you hustled you could make good money without needing a pair of kneepads and/or a box of handi-wipes and a bottle of Purell. I'm told that is no longer the case and that extras have become the norm. I know about Hustler ( it is what it is ) but what is the story at the other High End Manhattan clubs ? Afaic "extras" means SEX. A little contact ALWAYS went on in the VIP's and really never hurt anybody.
I also know about the drug thing which never ceased to amaze me. Why owners , managers and security people turn a blind eye to that always makes me shake my head
I'm asking because I get asked from time to time. Just trying to stay au courant.

Vyanka
04-16-2014, 09:58 AM
It's still possible to make money as a non extras dancer if you know how to pick them and know wtf you're doing. No one has to do anything illegal to make money.

I've worked in Manhattan clubs for years and I never had a problem. Even with how shitty it has become now.

Vyanka
04-16-2014, 10:02 AM
Btw, why do you ask?

Eric Stoner
04-16-2014, 10:45 AM
I posted why. I have a LOT of dancer gal pals ; mostly outside the Tri-State area and they ask me where they can work and make good money without having to do hj's and more in Manhattan.
I generally recommend The GGR in N.J. IF they handle heavy lap-dances and ( God help us ! ) contact.
I used to take clients to PEC ( haven't in several years ) and extras were rare back THEN. Possible but rare and VERY expensive. I'd tell my clients they would be better off getting an escort if that is what they wanted. ( No comment on anything more lol.) More comfortable too. I had my problems with Scores ( couldn't be bothered with their goon squad ) so by default I started taking my clients to Hustler which was the pick of a bad lot from a custie pov for Manhattan. From a dancer's pov too afaic.
I know a few gals who still work at Hustler and NONE are ... ahem ... "as pure as the wind driven snow". They do what they do within their own comfort zones which is perfectly fine afaic. They work with the hosts and get whales steered to them or in a couple of cases they have their own very loyal and very generous custie base and don't need any help. There are certainly plenty of "cleaner " gals there and plenty of hustlers ( all promise and no delivery ).But I'm told a majority of the gals now do extras to varying extents. Much like PEC. There is also some drug use which I think is VERY risky for everybody and if it were up to me would be stamped out. A friend of mine used to bounce there and told me that EVERYBODY knew but unless somebody snorted or toked up right in front of him he was told to leave it alone. Specifically told NOT to look for trouble. I've thought for years that drugs are much worse than "extras" because inter alia it gets LE all hot and bothered. Way back when I ran a club and then hosted private parties I was totally ZERO Tolerance but I'm told it's different now. I'm told that the consensus is that they can get away with just blaming it on the custie if something goes wrong. Whateverrrrr !

Vyanka
04-16-2014, 11:19 AM
I see. Well I'm speaking from my own experience. There is no clean club but not impossible to make a living as a non extras. I've started there, so I'm use to the hard hustle.

It's best they go in and see for them self. Some may like it or hate it. One place may be a total disaster for one, if not decent. Depends.

It's a stressful town(as it has been posted here a million times). Over populated with tons if good looking women all over the place, and SPOILED rude assholes. Your female friends need to be really good hustlers with thick skin. Also tell them to avoid summer months and Jewish holiday weeks.

It's Manhattan. Drugs are the norm. Lol. Coke in that town is like smoking cigarettes. No one is putting guns to their heads to do drugs. If anything, most customers ask for it or bring their own shit. Their problem.

Eric Stoner
04-16-2014, 11:54 AM
Yeah. I know. Almost always it's the custie that brings " da bad thang " although I have heard of dancers also being suppliers. Dumb and DUMBER if you ask me.
No reason to let it in the club imho. I know, I know , there is a school of thought that a juiced custie is a loose custie with his wallet. Yeah but is it worth a dancer getting busted ? The club losing its liquor license ? Just having LE snooping around checking out "reports" of this or that ? I don't think so.

I take it you are saying that a gal can work clean ( or relatively clean ) at PEC, Hustler and Safire and still make good money ? That it depends more on her than the club ?

Vyanka
04-16-2014, 12:01 PM
Pretty much her. Money isn't just gonna fall on her lap. The only way to find out is to check the clubs and try. I've worked at the most dirtiest club where ppl have warned me that it's not for me bc it's a mega whore house... blah blah blah. I did fine but my friend who works like me did terrible. Like I said before, different for everyone.

lol1337a
04-16-2014, 02:04 PM
It's still possible to make good money without handjobs in the handful of Manhattan clubs I've tried, even those with horrible reputations. My strategy is just to change clubs often. The only club I stayed at long enough to find out horrifying things was Scores. It was depressing and killed my hustle for months. Now I try to change clubs before I see anything too ugly. Then if I come back in the future I'm not confronted by terrible memories when I walk by certain areas of the club. (Informed) ignorance is bliss.

arielbriel
04-16-2014, 02:28 PM
Of course you can make money without doing extras. You just have to find cool guys or go in the room with guy and dip when shit gets ugly. I wouldn't go in a room with a guy who is explicitly asking for sex cause even JUST agreeing to go in a room with him can get you arrested. You have to be very careful what you say nowadays. There's undercovers in the clubs looking to bust girls for prostitution and solicitation and I'm not going down with them. I just don't work with girls that I know do extras and I never share my room with a girl I don't know. I always get my own room to avoid the problem of the other girl giving a HJ on the other couch while I talk my ass off and sip champagne lol..talk about awkward.

lol1337a
04-16-2014, 02:50 PM
Also, what's "a little contact" Eric?

Vyanka
04-16-2014, 05:06 PM
It's still possible to make good money without handjobs in the handful of Manhattan clubs I've tried, even those with horrible reputations. My strategy is just to change clubs often. The only club I stayed at long enough to find out horrifying things was Scores. It was depressing and killed my hustle for months. Now I try to change clubs before I see anything too ugly. Then if I come back in the future I'm not confronted by terrible memories when I walk by certain areas of the club. (Informed) ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance is def bliss!! Ignore your surroundings, unless you're in vip. Hopping from club to club is key.

charlotte.
04-16-2014, 05:22 PM
I've never worked in a club where cr extras made a dent in my money. for me the line is what girls are doing on the floor, there are some clubs where it's the norm to sit on a customers lap forever allowing him to grab ass for free before you go to a room and since that's something I refuse to do, it's really hard to make money there. but if the club is full of extras girls who sit with customers in an appropriate way for a short amount of time it doesn't matter if they promise extras because I can still easily sell rooms.

Eric Stoner
04-17-2014, 07:20 AM
Also, what's "a little contact" Eric?

You seriously don't know ? Or are you testing me ?

lol1337a
04-17-2014, 12:49 PM
I haven't worked in NYC long so I'm just curious what that term means here. I tried to help you with your question so I'm not sure why you gave me a snarky response. But anyway, are we talking leg touching, tits/ass grabbing, heavy grinding, handjobs through the pants, kissing...? All of these things could be considered "a little touching" at some of the clubs I've worked in in the last year and a half but to me at least there's a world of difference between the former and latter. I'm not gonna flame you, I'm just curious about the devolution of clubs in Manhattan.

Eric Stoner
04-18-2014, 07:25 AM
OK. I apologize for anything snarky. Some places consider any contact to be a big deal ( eeek ! Ewwww ! ).At some like the GGR boob and butt touching are pretty standard.
In Manhattan VIP's anything short of actual sex ( hj's , bj's , fingering , full blown coitus ) is generally considered part of the package. More or less , give or take. It depends on the individual dancer and HER comfort zone. Total air in the VIP is generally considered a major rip.
I hope this gets us on the same page.

Vyanka
04-18-2014, 09:29 AM
Eric, to put this shortly again. Your friends don't need to do any of that stuff to make money. Girls who do that are desperate, don't know how to hustle, & greedy. None of that is necessary. A lot of dancers don't work that way and do fine. Like any where else, they just need to know how to hustle/sell a fantasy.

Like ArielBriel said, just have to find the cool guys to entertain. Not every dude is gonna be a nightmare either.

Just tell them to go in and try.

Eric Stoner
04-18-2014, 10:55 AM
OK. Fine but I am not going to try and sell any friend of mine a "fantasy". Can they do VIP's without permitting any contact in NYC ? Sure. Will they get a lot of repeat business and build a steady custy base of their own like that i.e. become a "Queen" ? Next to impossible. I'm sorry but we all have to live in the real world. A little contact is just not considered to be an "extra". I'm just saying it's a matter of degree not a difference in kind.

Vyanka
04-18-2014, 01:11 PM
If they know how to pick them and work them, possible. If they don't make money in vip, they can make floor money. They just have to find a club they like.

Idk how else I have to explain it to you, especially since you're not a dancer. You're kinda asking the same thing over. :P

yoda57us
04-18-2014, 02:33 PM
I confess to knowing nothing about Manhattan clubs but, wherever you are, it's about the dancer, not the club. Providence RI has some of the dirtiest clubs in the country but I know clean dancers who earn well in all of them. I've been going to clubs for half of my adult life and seen things change a lot. I get asked by girls about certain clubs all the time. I will talk about club layouts and what I know about pricing etc but I don't recommend one club over another to any dancer. That's a decision that the lady has to make and it's almost always going to be a matter of trying the place out for a few days or few weeks and then deciding to stay or not. I don't think there is any simple solution to deciding where to work.

michele11
04-18-2014, 02:49 PM
OK. Fine but I am not going to try and sell any friend of mine a "fantasy". Can they do VIP's without permitting any contact in NYC ? Sure. Will they get a lot of repeat business and build a steady custy base of their own like that i.e. become a "Queen" ? Next to impossible. I'm sorry but we all have to live in the real world. A little contact is just not considered to be an "extra". I'm just saying it's a matter of degree not a difference in kind.

If you think you already know the answer then why are you asking....

arielbriel
04-18-2014, 05:18 PM
Touching is pretty much the norm in the VIP rooms in NYC. I've never seen any girl not allow it. I have seen girls not allow kitty touching but that's pretty reasonable IMO. You gotta find a guy that doesn't ask for any sexual favors especially with the raids going on around the town, I would not be taking any risks.

Vyanka
04-18-2014, 06:15 PM
I confess to knowing nothing about Manhattan clubs but, wherever you are, it's about the dancer, not the club. Providence RI has some of the dirtiest clubs in the country but I know clean dancers who earn well in all of them. I've been going to clubs for half of my adult life and seen things change a lot. I get asked by girls about certain clubs all the time. I will talk about club layouts and what I know about pricing etc but I don't recommend one club over another to any dancer. That's a decision that the lady has to make and it's almost always going to be a matter of trying the place out for a few days or few weeks and then deciding to stay or not. I don't think there is any simple solution to deciding where to work.

Perfectly said.

The end~

Eric Stoner
04-21-2014, 07:01 AM
I NEVER said that dancer can't work "clean" and not make money. A former poster here ( now retired ) made serious money at PP's by working "clean". Arielbriel ( supra ) gets it . I was only asking about SEXUAL extras and even defined them ( hj's , bj's etc. ) NOT contact or touching.

charlotte.
04-21-2014, 12:18 PM
OK. Fine but I am not going to try and sell any friend of mine a "fantasy". Can they do VIP's without permitting any contact in NYC ? Sure. Will they get a lot of repeat business and build a steady custy base of their own like that i.e. become a "Queen" ? Next to impossible. I'm sorry but we all have to live in the real world. A little contact is just not considered to be an "extra". I'm just saying it's a matter of degree not a difference in kind.

why is every customer so obsessed with explaining to us why we need regulars? most girls do just fine without them. I purposely have always danced in high traffic, high tourist cities and clubs and obviously nyc is a great example of this. don't need any regulars when I'm making the same amount of $ with a level of contact I'm comfortable with with the strangers.

Eric Stoner
04-22-2014, 07:39 AM
That's fine. If you are doing well without regulars and are able to keep contact where you are comfortable that is great.