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simone87
05-07-2014, 03:35 PM
i just gotta say, i really hope you go after this piece of dog crap! customers like that need to be held accountable for assaulting and injuring dancers. maybe after this, he wont be so quick to just bite a random girls' nipple and think its no big deal because " hey, whatever, its just a stripper! that's what they are here for, to bite and lick and smack because these girls aren't real people". i hope you take him to the fucking cleaners, shit like that needs to stop
he sexually assaulted you, cost you money, worry, and pain! ha, yea im sure the club wants this all to just go away, but are THEY gonna reimburse you? nope! they couldn't care less

Brandi_Lynn
05-07-2014, 03:49 PM
You are so right Simone. It is assault. Who the fuck BITES someone ?? Whether it's on the boob, arm, etc. I complained about this customers behavior in VIP in the past and someone today told me I "should have known better."
No. I think not. There is NO excuse for this or anything similar.

Surprisingly enough, I have been bitten hard before as well. Down in NOLA during mardi gras. He broke skin & there was bruising for 2 weeks. you could even see the bruised lil teeth shapes for sooo long! Custies gone crazy! :-\

SarahTime
05-07-2014, 05:06 PM
I talked to my manager today. There are no tapes of the incident, which obviously isn't good. If I do have to go further with getting my implant taken out, etc. I can get his identity. My manager just said he hopes all the antibiotics clear up the infection and this whole thing stops there. A girl I work with told me the name of the company he owns though, so it shouldn't be too hard to get his name. I feel like no video of this incident will make this pretty tough though. All I have is my word, and people I told the day it happened.

I left a message for a lawyer today and am waiting to hear back.

I got a tetanus shot at the doctors this week. Things aren't looking too much better. Even my manager seemed surprised that days after the incident it's still an open wound. (I showed him) It still hurts sooo bad. I have a pretty good pain tolerance, but just taking off my bra is so painful it brings me to my knees.

The good thing about civil court vs criminal court, is the burden of proof is much, much less in a civil case. All you have to do is prove that it is "more likely than not" that your side is true, and then it can be ruled in your favor. Think of it as proving your case 51%.

It probably wouldn't be as hard as you think to get compensated. ALSO, if you do pursue this in a civil case, he is highly likely to be afraid of going to court and end up settling with you outside of court. Especially if he is a business owner. He likely has personal assets, and hopefully for him he protected his business assets the right way. My point is, it wouldn't hurt you AT ALL to go after this guy. I would be willing to bet he would settle quite quickly, especially if he's afraid of the possibility of a criminal suit. In other words - scare the shit out of him. He'll pay up.

eagle2
05-07-2014, 05:14 PM
I know from my obsessive tv-cop-drama watching that they can match bite marks, I just don't think they would do it in a civil case, only a criminal one. There would have to be a warrant requiring him to allow them to take a mold of his mouth, it would be a complex process and you'd have to pay for it yourself. I think getting a lawyer involved, scaring them pants off him (not need to tell him there's no video evidence) and getting a quick settlement would be the best option.

If it's a criminal case, the state would pay for it.

eagle2
05-07-2014, 05:18 PM
Before going off on theoretical tangents, some 'real world' issues need to be considered. Given that a$$hole customer is a 'fine, upstanding' local business owner, and also assuming that a$$hole customer has the money to hire the best lawyer in town, in the absence of 'hard' evidence like a club security tape, DNA etc. there is near zero chance that this guy is going to be found guilty of 'criminal' charges based almost exclusively on the word of some 'strippers'.

There is more than just the word of some strippers. There are bite marks on her breast. Bite marks don't just appear out of nowhere.

charlotte.
05-07-2014, 06:04 PM
id file a police report and try to subpoena any video or credit card records from the club. theyre probably hiding shit.

Vyanka
05-07-2014, 06:36 PM
Not that it's a priority right now, but I would right a shitty review on yelp, ratemd, & every plastic surgery website about that asshole surgeon too. What an insensitive jerk off.

I hope you get more than 10K. Girl, drag his ass through the dirt in court. I seriously hope you win this. :crossfing

Vyanka
05-07-2014, 06:41 PM
Surprisingly enough, I have been bitten hard before as well. Down in NOLA during mardi gras. He broke skin & there was bruising for 2 weeks. you could even see the bruised lil teeth shapes for sooo long! Custies gone crazy! :-\

Shit. This makes me want to buy one of the pretty brass knuckles that look like trendy jewelry, to wear to work. Just in case. Wtf is wrong with ppl

audrey_k
05-07-2014, 07:08 PM
If it's a criminal case, the state would pay for it.

Yeah, but there's absolutely no point in filing a criminal case. If she loses the criminal case, as Melonie said, it would weaken any chance for a civil one, and there's no benefit to a criminal one-- he would get off with a slap across the wrist for assault and she would still be out of all the money he's cost her. Not to mention most cops are dickheads and will probably treat her like crap!

charlotte.
05-07-2014, 07:56 PM
Yeah, but there's absolutely no point in filing a criminal case. If she loses the criminal case, as Melonie said, it would weaken any chance for a civil one, and there's no benefit to a criminal one-- he would get off with a slap across the wrist for assault and she would still be out of all the money he's cost her. Not to mention most cops are dickheads and will probably treat her like crap!

yeah in the very unlikely chance that the case goes to trial and the jury finds him 100% guilty, as a local successful business owner with no previous criminal record who is only guilty of a small bite, id be surprised if he got more than a month of probation. whereas a civil case has the potential to sue for medical costs, lost wages, pain/suffering, other stress related outcomes like a drop in grades or sex drive. all of these things have a price tag attached and if i was in your situation id much rather have a well deserved payday than the "satisfaction" of knowing a jury found him guilty.

im pretty sure you can file the initial police report and then decide not to press charges.

Moxxy Minx
05-07-2014, 11:43 PM
Yeah, but there's absolutely no point in filing a criminal case. If she loses the criminal case, as Melonie said, it would weaken any chance for a civil one, and there's no benefit to a criminal one-- he would get off with a slap across the wrist for assault and she would still be out of all the money he's cost her. Not to mention most cops are dickheads and will probably treat her like crap!

I agree

Melonie
05-08-2014, 03:50 AM
^^^ Indeed. Also, given the apparent lack of 'hard' evidence, attempting to file 'criminal' charges is VERY likely not to proceed any farther than the local DA refusing to prosecute. This is especially likely to be the case if 'fine, upstanding citizen' a$$hole customer is also a local political donor ( reality sucks sometimes ). Attempting to file 'criminal' charges would also 'disclose' what evidence does and does NOT exist against a$$hole customer, and would provide tacit 'proof of innocence', which would both adversely affect any future 'civil' damages lawsuit etc.

And in a worst case scenario, if SwanPrincess attempts to file 'criminal' charges and fails, thanks to Duke Lacrosse, Dominic Strauss Khan etc,, the door has been opened for a potential 'civil' defamation of character lawsuit being brought by a$$hole customer attempting to polish up his public image by attempting to paint SwanPrincess as a lying, whoring 'stripper' who arguably brought false charges after a 'pay for play' arrangement turned sour. If this were to happen, then SwanPrincess could be in an even worse position than she's already in !!!

Local Attorney input needed ASAP !!!

shasta
05-08-2014, 04:17 AM
When push comes to shove I wouldn't count on other dancers corroborating your story. No one likes to shit where they eat.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-08-2014, 06:00 AM
I know that.

I don't need to "count" on anyone. It is what it is. What happened happened. There were no witnesses. Even if there had been, I would do everything I had to not to involve them.

I have an appointment (finally!) with an attorney this afternoon.

Twinkle Toes
05-08-2014, 12:03 PM
Wow this is crazy. I don't have anything to add except I hope it goes away and you have the best outcome possible! Thank you for sharing your story and hopefully other girls can stop this from happening to them in the future!

eagle2
05-08-2014, 12:57 PM
If you take him to court, make sure you seek compensation for pain and suffering.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-09-2014, 05:07 PM
So I saw an attorney yesterday. He told me he thinks this would be a good small claims court case. I was pretty surprised at that, since not one person ever suggested that to me. He said it's anything under 10k, and personal injury cases are rare in small claims court, but you CAN do it. (He said the most common personal injury case he sees is dog bites. Close enough...)
He said if I have my pictures, receipts, visit summaries from doctors, and an estimated amount of $ for wages lost, it should be pretty easy. If I go this route, one thing I cannot get money for is pain and suffering.

As far as how my healing is going, it's not too good :( I had a follow up appointment and my doctor said for as much antibiotics I've been on, my wound should be looking better than it does, and the swelling should be down. She made me an appointment with a breast specialist, who I saw today. She told me the antibiotics I had already taken were specific for breast infections . Since she suspects my infection is more from germs on my wound from that motherfuckers mouth (and who knows what else...) she gave me a prescription for an antibiotic that covers a broader spectrum of germs. And she also prescribed me pain pills. I'm not a fan of taking pain pills if I don't HAVE to , but this pain is unbearable at this point.
Anyhow, I have another appointment with her Tuesday and Friday to check the progress and hopefully get an ultrasound. She said doing one now wouldn't be worth it because my breast is so swollen.

I talked to my ex about this whole thing and he said the insurance we have would probably cover it, since it's a medical necessity vs cosmetic. The breast specialist doctor told me she's not 100% sure that my implant is okay, but she thinks it probably is.

If this infection goes away with this new medicine, and my implant is okay, should I just let this go? Will I spend as much on the attorney as I will recover in lost wages, co pays, etc?

I don't feel good in general . I still have a fever and my mind is kind of swirling. I hope I explained all this clearly enough!

eagle2
05-09-2014, 07:41 PM
At the minimum, I would take him to court. I think you would have a good chance of reaching a settlement. If he is a business-owner, I doubt that he would want it publicized that he bit into a dancer's breast in a strip club. You can also let him know that you're considering bringing charges against him, which could give you more leverage. I think that he would rather settle with you than risk going to jail and being placed on the sex-offender's list.

LucyHunter
05-09-2014, 08:28 PM
Honestly your lawyer is always going to push going to court etc. so they get paid, but it might be worth going and asking them what the costs will look like if you go to court (in the event that you win and in the event that you lose) and you can make a decision from there about whether or not the compensation will be worth it.

It's easy for us to say you should take it to court, especially since the customer should be held accountable for his actions, but you have to do what's right for you - whatever that ends up being.

Sorry to hear you're still in lots of pain. Hope you feel better soon.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-10-2014, 03:25 AM
I keep thinking I could do this all myself too. This is a pretty cut and dry case (I think) Would I really even need a lawyer if it's just a small claims case?
I think since the customer is a business owner and I'm sure he won't want negative attention , etc. I'm thinking he might just want to settle.

If I find out next week I DO have issues with my implant, all this is going to change. Between surgery, loss of wages, and reimbursement of co pays and prescriptions, it will be over 10k. Which would no longer be a small claims case. Right now this is just a waiting game I guess...

Melonie
05-10-2014, 05:24 AM
^^^ this attorney is steering you to the 'easiest way out' ... but clearly working on the assumption that everything is going to turn out 'best case scenario'. Filing in 'small claims' court would severely limit both the total dollar amount of lost wages, as well as ruling out any amount of compensation for 'pain and suffering'.

Again I don't want to worry you unnecessarily, but given the news that you have developed a persistent fever, that you are still in a lot of pain, that your breast is still very swollen, and that the FIRST antibiotic treatment has not actually worked very well, from here on out you really need to start thinking in terms of a 'worst case' scenario. 'Closing off' future legal options that could 'cost' you tens of thousands if a 'worst case scenario' does develop is NOT a good idea. Agreed with LucyHunter that you need to explore 'higher level' legal options ... specifically a 'civil' damages lawsuit threat in hopes of a substantial settlement.

Have you ID'd the a$$hole customer yet ?

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-10-2014, 06:03 AM
You're right Melonie. I am going to contact my lawyer and tell him what the breast specialist told me yesterday. Clearly things aren't getting any better. I need to have a backup plan if they do an ultrasound next week and find my implant has ruptured .

I have ID'd the customer. It was through my own investigating that I was able to find his name. A girl I work with mentioned the name of his company, and I was able to get his full name.

Melonie
05-10-2014, 07:03 AM
Clearly things aren't getting any better. I need to have a backup plan if they do an ultrasound next week and find my implant has ruptured .

I have ID'd the customer. It was through my own investigating that I was able to find his name. A girl I work with mentioned the name of his company, and I was able to get his full name.

Again, not wanting to preach 'gloom and doom', but based on what I have come to know about infected breast pockets, I wouldn't be surprised if your implant itself is fine but your breast pocket has been infected by a particularly nasty strain of a$$hole's mouth bacteria via your milk ducts. And if you are running a persistent fever, plus a strong IV antibiotic has failed to produce major positive results, unfortunately there's a good chance that the second antibiotic treatment isn't going to produce major positive results either. Thus, for legal planning purposes at least, I'd be very careful about committing to any course of action that limits your future ability to recover the cost of implant removal, plus several months worth of lost dancing earnings, plus another $5,000+ to have a set of replacement implants installed once the breast pocket infection has been totally cleared up.

Melonie
05-10-2014, 07:04 AM
Clearly things aren't getting any better. I need to have a backup plan if they do an ultrasound next week and find my implant has ruptured .

I don't feel good in general . I still have a fever and my mind is kind of swirling.


Again, not wanting to preach 'gloom and doom', but based on what I have come to know about infected breast pockets and potential resulting systemic infections, I wouldn't be surprised if your implant itself is fine but your breast pocket has been infected by a particularly nasty strain of a$$hole's mouth bacteria via your milk ducts. And if you are running a persistent fever, plus a strong IV antibiotic has failed to produce major positive results, unfortunately there's a good chance that the second antibiotic treatment isn't going to produce major positive results either.

Thus, for legal planning purposes at least, I'd be very careful about committing to any course of action that limits your future ability to recover the cost of implant removal, plus several months worth of lost dancing earnings, plus another $5,000+ to have a set of replacement implants installed once the breast pocket infection has been totally cleared up, plus a whole lot of 'pain and suffering'.



I have ID'd the customer. It was through my own investigating that I was able to find his name. A girl I work with mentioned the name of his company, and I was able to get his full name.

Here's hoping that the second antibiotic works and the 'worst case scenario' doesn't develop. However, from this point forward, you need to make decisions based on the 'worst case scenario' from a legal standpoint at least. If it were me, I would definitely pay an attorney to at least draw up a formal 'ice-breaker' letter to send to a$$hole customer.

whirlerz
05-10-2014, 07:30 AM
Oh, I am so sorry you are still hurting..& I hope you will get well very soon. Hoping also you can get this resolved, & get some much deserved compensation.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-10-2014, 07:43 AM
Yikes. I think up until yesterday I've kind of been in denial about the severity of this. Usually when I get a cut/burn/hurt in some way , I heal up quickly and I figured it would be the same with this injury. So far that's not happening.

Melonie
05-10-2014, 08:06 AM
I think up until yesterday I've kind of been in denial about the severity of this. Usually when I get a cut/burn/hurt in some way , I heal up quickly and I figured it would be the same with this injury. So far that's not happening.

Indeed, hope for the best but prepare for the worst !!! First priority above everything is to worry about your own health ... and with your symptoms of persistent low grade fever, 'light-headedness', major pain etc. ... plus maybe an overall 'tired' feeling ?? ... plus maybe low grade nausea ?? ... I'm starting to get concerned that the infection is starting to affect you systemically. Make sure you keep the doctor(s) posted in regard to these sort of developments.

eagle2
05-10-2014, 10:53 AM
I really hope the treatment helps.

If you don't think your lawyer is doing what is best for you, maybe you should talk to other lawyers. This sounds very serious.

audrey_k
05-10-2014, 01:22 PM
I think if you decide to go to small claims court you should definitely have a lawyer... most people I've known that went to small claims didn't have lawyers, but that was usually over something pretty cut and dry-- my dad has gone probably 10x in the last 10 years and he always won, but it was because he had a contract and they hadn't paid, my best friend went last year because she paid for damages to be fixed in a rental apartment and the landlord refused to reimburse her, but she had written confirmation he said he would before she paid for the damages. This case is more subjective, you unfortunately have no physical evidence that the customer did indeed bite you since there are no cameras, and since you can't sue for pain and suffering you are going to have a hell of a time convincing a judge of exactly what he's cost you at work, since there's no way to prove exactly what you would have made. You don't have payslips to bring in saying "I made x every week and couldn't work for 2 weeks because of this." I think that you ARE entitled to a settlement and I think a lawyer could probably figure out a way around these obstacles, but you might have a difficult time with it on your own. Personally I think pushing him for an out of court settlement would be better, but I'm not a lawyer.

This is of course assuming that you heal and do not have to have your breast implants removed... if that happens everything changes, obviously!

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-10-2014, 03:14 PM
Melonie I feel nauseous, in pain, tired and still have a fever. All day today I feel like normal activities are really difficult and exhausting. I booked a hotel near my neighborhood for the night because I don't feel like I have the strength and energy to go up and down the stairs in my home. (My son is at a friends house)
The thing is, I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in 2001, and I'm confused if feeling this way (minus the fever) is my MS acting up, or because of the infection. I do have my days where my MS causes me to feel very weak and/or tired.
I've been told by every doctor this week that if I see red lines on my body or feel extreme weakness to go to the ER.

I've been contemplating possibly going all day today. I have no red lines on my body, so there probably isn't any dire need to be seen, right?

charlotte.
05-11-2014, 12:25 AM
now that you have a name, have you filed a police report yet? im not a lawyer so i dont know the definite course of action but im fairly certain that if you file a police report you arent under an obligation to press criminal charges and having that documented should help your suit. it also might scare him more into settling. there are many pro bono and community legal aid lawyers out there who will meet with you for free just to answer some simple procedural questions like this before you decide on a specific lawyer to handle the case.

i also think that small claims is a bad idea because whatever route you take, youll most likely get a settlement from the guy or from the judge. so you should aim as high as you could possible go so you can still be content with a smal portion of that. aiming for 10k max seems like its likely you could end up with 2k which is not enough. so, with the help of a good lawyer (and you should be able to find one who believes you have a great case and therefore would expect a high payout, so would offer initial services for free in exchange for a cut of the payout) you should build a huge case that is all based on documented expenses and precident of pain/suffering payment. every cost, including mileage and wear on your car for every trip to a dr or lawyer. all time spent with a dr or lawyer (again-go on as many free consultations as you can just to get more documentation) and on the phone with insurance etc. and then your lawyer will help you turn that time spent into a dollar amount, come up with an appropriate dollar amount for pain/suffering. start seeing a shrink to document ptsd, depression, psychological suffering. id expect if the lawyer does his job he could draft a good suit for 100k+, and it would seem reasonable if the judge slashed it or the guy opted to settle youd still get 20k, again, random examples, but they make sense to me. and although it would be well deserved and great to get 6 figures out of this guy, i think 20k would help you a lot and be worth it.

btw since you have insurance, it might take some hassling on your part but they should pay for any surgery to fix the infection and even the redo. insurances pay for reconstructive plastic surgery all the time for breast cancer survivors, accident victims, etc, so dont feel like this is something you shouldnt bother attempting, even if it takes awhile to convince the company. many drs also do pro bono work fyi for cases like this.

audrey_k
05-11-2014, 01:16 AM
I've been contemplating possibly going all day today. I have no red lines on my body, so there probably isn't any dire need to be seen, right?

Hun, if you are filling ill, go get seen- you can only regret NOT going to the hospital/doctor/whatever! If it's nothing then you wasted a few hours which is whatever, if it's something and you don't go, well :(

Melonie
05-11-2014, 03:31 AM
Melonie I feel nauseous, in pain, tired and still have a fever. All day today I feel like normal activities are really difficult and exhausting. I booked a hotel near my neighborhood for the night because I don't feel like I have the strength and energy to go up and down the stairs in my home. (My son is at a friends house)
The thing is, I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis in 2001, and I'm confused if feeling this way (minus the fever) is my MS acting up, or because of the infection. I do have my days where my MS causes me to feel very weak and/or tired.
I've been told by every doctor this week that if I see red lines on my body or feel extreme weakness to go to the ER.

Unfortunately, this previous MS diagnosis presents a major 'confusion' factor ... not only for ER doctors but also for the jury who will eventually have to decide whether your situation is directly attributable to a$$hole's bite incident versus the recurrence of a previous medical condition !!! Obviously, a$$hole customer's attorney will try like hell to paint a picture that it's the latter. Thus having any official medical treatment record from an ER, plastic surgeon, breast specialist etc. that raises the issue of the MS diagnosis from long ago as the possible alternative cause of your symptoms will work against you.

If you are healthy enough to do this without putting yourself at additional risk, the best option at this point would be to return to the breast 'specialist'. Do not 'volunteer' any info about your MS diagnosis from long ago. Let the breast 'specialist' make the official call that your breast is seriously infected ( there is probably zero doubt in this dep't given your fever, breast swelling, and bite wound that isn't healing well - MS would not cause THESE symptoms !!! ), that the two different antibiotic treatments aren't working, that you're now developing symptoms of systemic infection, etc.

There should also be a way for the plastic surgeon or breast specialist to draw a 'sample' from your bitten nipple or breast pocket for lab analysis. This would remove any and all doubt regarding the fact that your breast is infected, that the particular bacteria which is infecting your breast is one that exists in the human mouth, etc. Of course, if it is glaringly obvious at the time this 'sample' is drawn that the breast pocket infection is 'raging', or if the lab analysis shows a strain of bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics ( unfortunately there are an increasing number of these, and the two unsuccessful antibiotic treatments tend to support that this is the case ), an immediate recommendation to have your implant(s) removed is very likely to follow.

Obviously, if your deteriorating overall health requires it, go to the ER !!! However, be aware that ... at this point ... the ER doctor may decide to 'make the call' that your implant(s) need to be removed ASAP. This could result in an emergency surgery by the hospital surgeon on duty, whose cosmetic skill levels might not be in the same league as those of a plastic surgeon. If that's the case, while your implant(s) would be out making it possible to directly treat your infected breast pocket with betadine and strong antibiotics, it might complicate 'restoring' your breast implants in the future. Again the hospital's primary concern will be to eliminate your infection ASAP ... not to make sure that your breast appearance can again be 'perfect' several months in the future.

Having the breast specialist make the 'call' re implant removal, and having the plastic surgeon actually remove the implants, would avoid this potential new complication, as well as strengthening your 'civil' damages case. However, on the flip side, if your overall health is really starting to decline it's not worth risking developing 'toxic shock' by waiting too long.

And yes, as a matter of substantial health risk, all health insurers will cover 'medically necessary' costs of diagnosis, antibiotic treatments, implant removal etc. However, they are NOT going to cover 'reconstructive' costs where breast implants ( versus cancerous natural breast tissue ) are involved. Thus all costs associated with replacement implants, lost earnings, etc. are either going to come out of a$$hole customer's pocket or out of your own pocket !!!



now that you have a name, have you filed a police report yet? im not a lawyer so i dont know the definite course of action but im fairly certain that if you file a police report you arent under an obligation to press criminal charges and having that documented should help your suit. it also might scare him more into settling. there are many pro bono and community legal aid lawyers out there who will meet with you for free just to answer some simple procedural questions like this before you decide on a specific lawyer to handle the case.

Prior to actually filing a police report, you absolutely need to pick an attorney ... and to have that attorney draft and send an 'ice-breaker' letter to a$$hole customer laying the groundwork for a potential 'civil' damages lawsuit. As posted several times earlier, filing a police report as a first step would A. immediately result in potential negative publicity for a$$hole customer ( which works against motivation to settle to avoid the potential negative publicity of a 'civil' damages lawsuit ), B. open the door for the local DA to 'squelch' the severity of the incident by refusing to prosecute ( thus providing a$$hole customer with a potential defense against a 'civil' damages lawsuit ), C. expose SwanPrincess herself to potential LE / CPS / you name it investigations ( thanks so much Duke Lacrosse 'stripper' ), etc. The time to file a police report was within 24 hours of the original bite incident taking place.

Yet again not wanting to be the 'bearer of bad tidings', but this situation now appears to be reaching the stage where overall health concerns are going to force the issue of implant removal to be decided within a matter of a few days. It's time to plan for the 'worst'. Use those few days to get an attorney on board. This is a perfect case for 'ambulance chaser' attorneys !!!

Also, even though you have already done your own investigation to determine a$$hole customer's identity, use the opportunity your club provided to now return and ask THEM to give you a$$hole customer's ID info. The purpose for this is to A. officially explain why you 'waited so long' to bring this matter to the official attention of a$$hole customer ( remember that a$$hole customer's attorney will attempt to blame YOU for allowing your health situation to deteriorate thus creating greater 'damages' without giving a$$hole customer the opportunity to 'mitigate the damages' ), and B. reinforce the 'severity' of the infection problem, and C. document the existence of your lost earnings situation.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-11-2014, 05:10 AM
I didn't go to the ER for that very reason. I was scared I would get there and they would do some emergency surgery implant removal. Which could potentially end badly, for the reasons you said above.
All of the doctors I've seen except for the plastic surgeon are connected in a network in my city. My PCP can see what my gyno prescribes me, my gyno can see what my neurologist prescribes me, etc.) So when I went to this breast specialist, she could already see ALL my medical records for the past year and a half. She asked about my MS, and I totally downplayed it because like you said, I don't want my MS playing any part of my case. I know my weakness and tiredness could be from that and not my infection. I was just so worried yesterday because everyone told me if I felt really really tired to go to the ER
I'm honestly kind of glad I didn't go. My boobs are my livelihood . Seriously . I can't take any chances with all this .

Melonie
05-11-2014, 05:42 AM
She asked about my MS, and I totally downplayed it because like you said, I don't want my MS playing any part of my case. I know my weakness and tiredness could be from that and not my infection

Smart move. For a fact your fever, your nausea, your swollen breast, and your bite wound are NOT attributable to MS !!!



I'm honestly kind of glad I didn't go. My boobs are my livelihood . Seriously . I can't take any chances with all this

In regard to 'not taking chances', when are you due to return to the breast specialist ? If it's a matter of a few days, and if you're not showing symptoms of sepsis ( red lines etc. ), I'd try to wait that out and let the breast specialist make the 'call' and let the plastic surgeon do the removal ( if necessary ).

Even though you have independently ID'd a$$hole customer, I would also try to get down to your club ASAP and try to take them up on their earlier offer to ID a$$hole customer. At this point, it appears that the 'worst case scenario' is about to turn very real ... and you'll need an official explanation as to why you've waited so long to officially report this incident / contact a$$hole customer. Your club refusing to ID a$$hole customer for you until now provides that official explanation ... as well as reinforcing the severity of your breast infection problem ... as well as reinforcing the issue that you are already experiencing lost earnings because your breast infection is preventing you from 'working' ... as well as potentially establishing that the club is partially 'at fault' by refusing to disclose a$$hole customer's ID earlier !!!

If successful with your club ID-ing a$$hole customer, I would try to see the attorney again ... or a different 'ambulance chaser' attorney ... ASAP ... to start the process toward threat of a 'civil' damages lawsuit. Usually 'ambulance chaser' attorneys advertise like crazy on local TV targeting car accident victims, workplace accident victims etc. Knock, knock ... you are a workplace NO accident victim. Both a$$hole customer and your club are potentially liable for damages. At this point, you have already lost nearly 2 weeks worth of dancing income, you have already incurred significant medical expenses, and indications are that this is going to get worse before it gets better ... i.e. the 'dog bite' / small claims court scenario is clearly out the window !!! You MUST start positioning yourself for a scenario where you're not going to have any dancing income for months, where you're going to be facing substantial implant replacement costs, etc.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-11-2014, 07:04 AM
I have appointments to see the breast specialist again on Tuesday and Friday. I'm not really sure why the need for a second one in advance?
I know my club could be liable. It makes me angry because I LOVE my club, and would absolutely hate to have to involve them :(
I have the name of an attorney who has the reputation of being very aggressive. One of my customers is an attorney and he gave me his name.
I'm starting to get really scared about all this. The fact it's been twelve days and it's STILL is an open wound and despite the pain medicine I was prescribed it still hurts very badly.

I think I'm actually going to try and see if I can see the specialist again tommorow . This is bs at this point. I feel like I NEED an ultrasound at this point. If there is still an infection they could just do one again later

whirlerz
05-11-2014, 07:20 AM
Ok, sweetheart, I am thinking of/praying for you..I understand your concern. Yes, it might be best to go in to Dr. tomorrow..best of luck to you. They made the extra appointment for you, to make sure you have one, to monitor you maybe? I understand your concern for your club, but your health is important. Thanks for the update, we're all pulling for you.

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-11-2014, 10:22 AM
Thanks Whirlerz! You guys are all so sweet and supportive!!

Melonie
05-11-2014, 10:43 AM
I'm starting to get really scared about all this. The fact it's been twelve days and it's STILL is an open wound and despite the pain medicine I was prescribed it still hurts very badly

Well there's no reason to be scared about this. Ultimately, it is 'fixable'. Your infection can be stopped in its tracks by one means or another, and your bite wound will be healed by one means or another. Or put another way, an actual reason to be 'scared' would be if a$$hole customer had managed to infect you with a rare gram-negative bacteria that can't be stopped by ANY antibiotic !!! However, you know that this is not the case, since if it was you'd already be flat on your back in a hospital intensive care unit.


I feel like I NEED an ultrasound at this point. If there is still an infection they could just do one again later

Ultimately, all the ultrasound scan is going to show is whether your implant has ruptured or not. Ruptured implant or non-ruptured implant, your implant itself isn't the original cause of this infection. And ruptured implant or non-ruptured implant, the implant remaining in place is providing the nasty bacteria with a 'hiding place' allowing them to avoid the antibiotics you're being treated with. Given the fact that your bite wound hasn't begun to heal, odds favor your implant not being ruptured, but your nipple, milk ducts, and breast pocket being full of a$$hole customer's mouth bacteria !!!

But it's time to talk probabilities and potential options. When you return to the breast specialist on Tuesday, given your lack of 'improvement' and arguable worsening, there's a pretty good chance that the breast specialist is going to recommend implant removal. The 'good' side of this eventuality is that the plastic surgeon can then attack your breast infection from the 'inside', via bedadine wash, via laser sterilization of infected tissue, etc. Once that happens, your pain should stop, your fever should 'break', antibiotics should start working, and you'll 'turn the corner' health wise.

The 'bad' side of this eventuality will obviously be that you'll be unable to work as a dancer for an extended time period while your implants are removed. There is also some small amount of risk that your nipple may not 'automatically' heal to the point where it looks normal again without 'help' from a plastic surgeon. Obviously this translates to ~ten thousand dollars worth of direct 'reconstructive' costs, plus more tens of thousands of dollars in lost earnings. However, at least you'll have moved beyond the point of facing potential serious health risks, and on to the point where you're 'just' facing financial damages.



I have the name of an attorney who has the reputation of being very aggressive. One of my customers is an attorney and he gave me his name.

Try to get in to see this hot shot attorney TOMORROW ... before you see the breast specialist on Tuesday. After Tuesday it's all too possible that you'll be facing implant removal surgery and several days of recovery, thus setting an attorney in motion ASAP is now urgently important.



I understand your concern for your club, but your health is important.

After meeting with your attorney tomorrow, and based on his advice, I would also try very hard ( without informing them that you have already researched the answer yourself ) to have your club ID a$$hole customer for you tomorrow as they promised you last week ... if for no other reason than to find out if the club is on 'your' side or on a$$hole customer's side. This is something which you and your attorney need to know going forward.

Keep in mind that, as much as you appear to love your club, club management may refuse to hire you back in the future for any number of reasons even if everything is restored to normal a few months from now. Keep in mind that the club's initial refusal to ID a$$hole customer when you first made the request may have contributed to the worsening of your condition, etc. Ultimately, your club is not a 'family' business ... it is a corporation that potentially has the power to ruin your future 'local' dancing career possibilities by labeling you as a 'troublemaker' both among corporate sister clubs as well as with surrounding competing clubs. And it's entirely possible that this is exactly what will happen if you don't just 'quietly go away' ... as the club essentially suggested you do a week ago when you first asked them to ID a$$hole customer. If the club again refuses to provide the ID tomorrow, you'll at least know where you stand in this regard.

Ultimately, it's time to put your priorities in the correct order. Your own health has to be at the top of that list. The future ability to provide for yourself and your child has to run a close second. Everything else is further down the list. Not wanting to shock you, but the difference between playing this 'smart' and playing this 'easy' may boil down to you having to find 'straight job' work as an A cup with a deformed nipple to raise the $10,000+ you may need to restore your breasts to the same condition they were in two weeks ago before the bite incident thus allowing you to again work as a dancer. The difference between playing this 'smart' versus playing this 'easy' may mean the difference between your child being able to afford to go to college or not !!!




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~*SwanPrincess*~
05-11-2014, 02:32 PM
You're right. From the minute this happened, all I've worried about is my implant. I know maybe that sounds silly and vain, but it's not cause I'm a Barbie girl. It's my livelihood, and my obviously my income depends on it. (I know y'all understand, but just in case..)

I know I do need to be concerned about this infection just as much as the implant.

I know my club could easily not help me out on any of this. I know at the end of the day, it's a business. And all they're going to do is what suits them best :(

I'm very anxious for tomorrow, hopefully I will find more out about EVERY aspect of this.

Sam38g
05-11-2014, 04:19 PM
You may love your club & don't want to involve them, but yet are they showing you love?

Where was the bouncer? Obviously they don't care about the dancers safety & have enough security there to protect you girls.

Way to many females want to be seen as NICE... It wasn't nice that this guy bite you. It isn't nice that the club didn't immediately call the cops & have him arrested. It isn't nice that management didn't immediately turn over the guys information to you & help you hire a lawyer. NOPE< I guess you don't want to involve other girl cause you know if you do the club will fire them. Which means are you disposable & so are they...

Who are you protecting? Cause it isn't yourself or your kid.

Need to stop thinking of the club & those who own it & manage it as your friends, cause they aren't. I know who those people think, we are all stupid bitchs & one when has to go there are 5 more to replace her. If they have not been there for you so far they never will be. There are other towns & other strip clubs you don't owe them loyalty.

If you had worked in a hospital & was bitten, cops would have been called & names taken. You would have gotten immediate medical help. They would have put you on antiviral & hiv meds immediately. But NOOOOO you work in a strip club & the owners & management don't give a fuck. If you defend them & say you didn't tell them right after it happened is because you already know they don't give a fuck.

You have to fight for what is right for you. This could have given you HIV for all you know. You need his name immediately & a lawyer demand he get tested for HIV, much less to pay for what this is costing you.

good luck,
Sam

~*SwanPrincess*~
05-11-2014, 05:42 PM
I don't want to involve them because I don't want this to turn into a shit show if it doesnt have to. For all I know I could go to my appointment Tuesday and get GOOD news. This kind of stuff is the kind of stuff that ends up on the news.
I'm a VERY private person. Plus at the initial time this happened I had NO idea it would escalate to what it has. It's not that I wanted to be seen as "nice", but I wasn't gonna go all demanding bitch when at the time I thought it would be sore for a day or two. If that.

I don't want to involve another girl because I want to be taken seriously. I think me and my stripper coworkers at the police station or in court is not a good look. It's sad to say, but I think we all know how that would be looked at. Plus there were no witnesses...like I previously said, I don't "need" anyone in this case but me.

Am I slighly passive aggressive? Yes. Should I have taken this more seriously from the get to? Probably. A little naive? Maybe. But the bottom line is I DIDNT KNOW. I don't think I've ever had an infection in my life, so it didn't even cross my mind this would happen. I can't even count over the past 9 years how many guys have scratched me, aggressively tried to suck my boobs, tried to a stick their fingers in my ass, or try to grab my pussy and finger me.
The day this happened it was just another motherfucker crossing the line. Same old same.

I hope I don't come across as some shrinking violet or a weak person. Because that is FAR from the case.

I got tested for a panel of STDs (or whatever they call it) including HIV, and they called me Friday saying I was "clean as a whistle."

I found the guys name out. He owns a company that sells a very specific, and expensive luxury item.

eagle2
05-11-2014, 06:15 PM
I don't think you're doing anything wrong by not rushing things and taking time to look at your options. What's important is that you're getting medical treatment and are seeking legal advice. You don't have to file a lawsuit or press charges right away. Also, if you wait longer, you'll have a better idea of how bad your injury is.

One think I suggest, if you haven't done so already, is to let the medical professionals know that you were assaulted, and may be bringing civil or criminal charges against the person responsible, so they can collect as much evidence as possible in case you end up having to go to court. You are definitely entitled to be compensated for everything you've been through by the asshole who is responsible for this.

Melonie
05-11-2014, 08:21 PM
From the minute this happened, all I've worried about is my implant. I know maybe that sounds silly and vain, but it's not cause I'm a Barbie girl. It's my livelihood, and my obviously my income depends on it. (I know y'all understand, but just in case..)

I know I do need to be concerned about this infection just as much as the implant.

Actually, you should be much more concerned about the infection ... since if it isn't stopped it can do major damage to your health. In real world terms, a busted implant is 100% replaceable ... i.e. simply a matter of money. And the need to remove the implant to allow your infected breast pocket to be treated from the 'inside' may render the busted implant point moot in any case.



I don't want this to turn into a shit show if it doesnt have to. For all I know I could go to my appointment Tuesday and get GOOD news. This kind of stuff is the kind of stuff that ends up on the news.
I'm a VERY private person. Plus at the initial time this happened I had NO idea it would escalate to what it has. It's not that I wanted to be seen as "nice",

Indeed, this is probably an attribute that both you and a$$hole customer share. Thus it is very likely to be in your own best financial interest, as well as a$$hole customer's best financial interest, to keep this matter as 'private' as possible ... in exchange for a VERY substantial 'settlement' payment !!! Granted that some people see a need for 'justice' to be served, via criminal charges being brought etc. However, in the 'real world', the concept of 'justice' for the very rich deviates widely from actual fairness ... and is also likely to 'short change' you in financial terms, since there's no need to pony up 'hush money' if local media is already spewing bad publicity !!!



they can collect as much evidence as possible in case you end up having to go to court. You are definitely entitled to be compensated for everything you've been through by the asshole who is responsible for this.

This is true for the doctors as well as for club management. But, ultimately, the best possible outcome from a personal standpoint probably will be to never actually go to court, to never make a police report, to never involve the club officially ... as the agreed result of a 'life changing' settlement payment, the magnitude of which goes well beyond simple reimbursement for medical expenses and lost earnings !!! This is where an aggressive attorney comes in ... ASAP hopefully !!!

If a$$hole customer indeed owns a well established business catering to a luxury market, he can certainly afford to 'share the wealth' in exchange for being able to maintain his squeaky clean public image thus his scandal-adverse luxury customers !!! If a$$hole customer is given the opportunity to 'settle', and chooses not to, THEN it's time to worry about evidence, court cases, media circuses etc. So in a sense, a$$hole customer's fate, as well as the fate of your club, will actually be placed in a$$hole customer's own hands ( actually wallet ) !!! For better or worse, this is how the real world works for the rich ... and with very rare exceptions the rich are not stupid !!!

Again, the timing is starting to get critical. If, after seeing the breast specialist again, you wind up in the hospital this coming Wednesday having your implants removed, your hot shot attorney also needs to be talking with a$$hole customer at the very same time you're in the OR to achieve maximum 'impact' thus a maximum 'settlement'. You have stated that you have some amount of money saved up, but if you are unable to work as a dancer for an extended period you and your child are going to NEED money coming in from an alternate source. And it would appear that the two options are A. 'settlement' money from a$$hole customer, or B. working full time at some low paying 'straight' job as an A cup.

Sam38g
05-11-2014, 09:09 PM
I danced for 12 years never once had a guy try to put fingers in my pussy or ass. Never had a man try to suck my tits or scratch me.

Worries me that you think it should come with the territory.

Honestly, that is disgusting. Good thing I have not worked in the clubs for a long time otherwise I would be in jail. Cause if anything you mentioned before like that ever happen to me they would have to surgically remove my high heel from the man' ass.

I have never gone to court for any reason, usually I get my own justice right then & there. If someone bit me I would have thrown the biggest fit ever, cause the human mouth is dirty & you can get hiv that way.

Sorry that you are going through all of this, but seems the place you work is horrible & so are your co-workers. Mine, at the clubs, we had each other's backs. While I have not danced in 15 years, still close to some of my former stripper buddies. If you fought with one, you fought with the rest. Management NOT backing you up & giving over that guys info is Bananas. I'm sure you bring in more money on a monthly bases dancing than he does.

There is always another club down the road in most towns. Everything has a reason for happening, maybe this club isn't the one for you anymore.

Good Luck,
Sam

Sam

charlotte.
05-11-2014, 09:16 PM
o try to ease some $ related anxiety, i'm sure that once you meet with this new attorney and start to get the ball rolling, if you do have to get the implant removed, it should be fairly easy to get the club to hire you as a waitress under the pressure that they could be liable and brought into the suit. clubs and club managers are assholes. its very possible that your club is the one amazing one, but if it was, they would have voluntarily given you the name already and taken drastic steps on their own. don't let stockholm syndrome prevent you from getting aggressive with this club. i also agree its very important to have the club id, and get that admission on paper.

another thing i would do is before getting aggressive with the club, approach whoever is an employee, hopefully a manager but anyone will do who was there on that night and ask for a detailed letter of the incident. sweetly approach the dumbest employee or person you are closest with who works there and sadly tell them how because of this incident, you haven't been able to work and are therefore falling behind on bills. you talked to your landlord about getting more time for rent and they said you would need to submit a formal request along with a some sort of outside verification and they said a simple letter from the club would work. speak to them on their level- as in, don't rant about your anger, pain (you know, i'm sure it's fine, but i can't come back to work till the wound is healed), because sc people don't respond well to that. they respond well to you rolling your eyes at silly bureaucracy (it's so annoying to ask you this because it's so silly, but pleaseeee). i see these types of interactions all the time. then tell them that you already wrote a note so if they wanted, they could just sign that one right there so they wouldn't have to waste their time.

the note should read something like:
swanprincess has worked at club whatever for x months. she has always had a good work ethic, positive attitude, and gotten along with her coworkers and the patrons here. she has a record of being a consistent and high earner. unfortunately, on ____, she suffered an injury while on the job as a result from one of the customers biting her, and ever since she has had open wounds and signs of possible infection in that particular breast. this presents a major health and safety concern to her, her coworkers, and all patrons, so she is unable to work until all health risks are resolved, at which time we will gladly welcome her back.

it's very generic and seems nonthreatening to whoever you ask to sign it, so the likelihood of them signing it is high, but it also presents a second source to verify the cause and effect. obviously, have your attorney look this over and make it official. every little bit of written evidence helps. after you get this signed in person, (i'd also come back a few days later with a slightly different but similar note and explain to a 2nd person that you needed another note), id try to keep all communication with anyone, especially club employees, in writing- if you know their email or phone i'd send texts every couple days saying "sorry, i thought i'd be back by now but my fever got worse" and stuff like that. the paper trail is extremely important.

the reason why i keep emphasizing this paper trail, even of silly things like those texts, is that they add up really quickly and build an incredibly strong case. remember, even if this makes it to trial and the other lawyer discredits everything, they are still heard and internalized, especially if there is a jury. and each bit of evidence is just another push for this guy to settle. i've never done this at the scale you are on but i learned early how important a paper trail is and how having one can cause the other person to cave quickly. in school i made it a habit to register with the disabilities center at the beginning of every semester as a proactive measure just in case something came up later. i had my drs write me true recommendations, but for common things that most people wouldn't bother to register, like seasonal allergies and SAD. everytime i went to a dr, or had anything else happen (like when my a/c broke), i would have the dr/whoever write a short note that explained that my schoolwork might be affected by this sudden and unavoidable inconvenience. then i would carry on school as normal and when something did happen (like suddenly getting really sick during finals which happened several times), instead of coming to the professor like every actual lazy student with a half ass excuse, i was able to use all of my previous documentation and explain that i've just had a really rough semester and the professors easily gave me extensions because i was so documented.

Melonie
05-11-2014, 09:17 PM
never once had a guy try to put fingers in my pussy or ass. Never had a man try to suck my tits or scratch me.

Worries me that you think it should come with the territory.

Unfortunately, for better or worse ( mostly worse ), the 'show business' aspects of exotic dancing which existed for us 10+ years ago have generally devolved into the out and out 'sex' business. Facing expectations of customer attempts at boobs, ass, pussy contact etc. is actually on the 'low end' of the contact expectations scale for all too many clubs these days. This situation obviously sucks, but for girls in many areas of the US, today's choice boils down to 'deal with it' or leave the industry for a low paying 'straight' job ... because if that dancer isn't willing to 'deal with' the high contact there are new dancers walking in the club's front door every day who ARE willing to 'deal with it' ... and more !!!

audrey_k
05-11-2014, 09:38 PM
^Yep unfortunately that has become the norm... if all a guy wanted to do was kiss/suck my boobs that was a relief, I still wouldn't let them do it but most of the time customers had something a lot dirtier than that in mind, I know every girl that I worked with in the USA had the same experience so it definitely wasn't something that had to do with me! I mean I was suspended from my club in LA for complaining to management about a customer fingering me on the fucking floor so clubs nowadays definitely don't care, and they don't care enough to do the math either because I definitely was bringing them in more money than that customer. But they know there are 5 girls waiting to take your place who will put up with it. It definitely depends on the area though because now that I dance in London which is strictly no-contact (and is wonderful) the girls here have no idea what it's like to work in that environment-- they always ask me what it's like to work in America and I tell them you make more money but you have to be willing to let the customers touch your boobs/butt/hips and they give me this totally shocked, whaaaaaat expression. I haven't told any of them that my entire lap dance routine was designed to make it physically impossible for a customer to try to stick his fingers up my vagina/butt because most customers won't even ask anymore they'll just do it!

eagle2
05-11-2014, 09:45 PM
Indeed, this is probably an attribute that both you and a$$hole customer share. Thus it is very likely to be in your own best financial interest, as well as a$$hole customer's best financial interest, to keep this matter as 'private' as possible ... in exchange for a VERY substantial 'settlement' payment !!! Granted that some people see a need for 'justice' to be served, via criminal charges being brought etc. However, in the 'real world', the concept of 'justice' for the very rich deviates widely from actual fairness ... and is also likely to 'short change' you in financial terms, since there's no need to pony up 'hush money' if local media is already spewing bad publicity !!!

The more evidence she has, the more leverage she will have in reaching a favorable settlement without going to court, and if the asshole refuses to settle, she will have a stronger case in court. If he is presented with an overwhelming amount of evidence, he may see himself as having no choice but to pay up.

Melonie
05-12-2014, 07:03 AM
Oh agreed. And where 'settlements' are concerned, it's not just about actual documented evidence which you do have, it's also about the types of evidence the person ( and their attorney ) believe that you COULD have !!! That's why I've been trying to push SwanPrincess to reapproach her club to ID a$$hole customer. If the club provides the ID, when SwanPrincess' hot shot attorney approaches a$$hole customer and informs him in the course of conversation that the club provided the ID to locate a$$hole customer ( even though SwanPrincess has already independently researched his ID ), this STRONGLY implies that someone else at the club has knowledge of the original bite incident !!!