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loveshooks
03-13-2015, 02:54 PM
I like option 2 the best, to be honest.
I'm glad to hear that because option 3 was concerning to me for all the reasons you took the time to write (and as always, thanks for your input). I agree, option 2 is the easiest for everyone involved.
Just wondering, loveshooks, have you thought about Epoch? I know start up costs with them are high I think around $1500 but you would be the first to have them, and my god, I'm sure it would be worth it...you could get all the PP motherfuckers.
when Epoch started processing paypal in the US I thought about it - a lot. I decided against it for a couple of reasons:
1) the payout percentage Epoch provides is quite low (85%). That's what the majority of LCMS listees currently receive, and I don't want to make it too easy for guys to use more expensive methods that end up costing listees money.
2) in the US most guys have credit cards. in some Euro nations cc's aren't quite as ubiquitous, however the new payment options will be attractive to them
3) Chargebacks. This is my primary factor in deciding against Epoch. When using an IPSP such as Epoch, CCBill or Verotel the merchant cannot challenge cb's. That's because the IPSP acts as an intermediary between the merchant and the bank, so they have to be careful to keep their cb ratio incredibly low. That means any client cb's are automatically granted.
With my own merchant account I can challenge cb's, and thus far I have, successfully. LCMS has thus far had two cb's, the first I challenged and got reversed (meaning the bank and cc company sided with me and the funds were returned) and with the second I've arranged a repayment plan with the client who initiated a friendly fraud cb. I can't do any of that with an IPSP, and Epoch doesn't cover chargebacks. My new payment option will be cb-proof (irreversible) so that won't be an issue there. While cb's are not a big concern in indy, at the volumes LCMS processes they will occur every now and then, and I want to be in a position to fight them.
4) Client trust. Most guys who are familiar with cams (esp indy) know that their credit card isn't going to get banged to kingdom come if they make a payment. I've always found that legit clients will always end up using a method I offer, even if they initially ask for paypal. For that reason I'm not sure the extra returns (if any) would be worth the hassle and cost of signing up.
One really odd thing I've noticed is that since starting LCMS is that a small handful of clients who flat out refused to book through my personal site (they always insisted on using a listing site, even though it cost them more) now have no issue with booking me (and others) through LCMS. I think that's because they consider LCMS to be a neutral, established site (even though it's still quite new) compared to my own site which is obviously run by me, the service provider. It's pretty funny in that I don't hide the fact that I own LCMS, but still psychologically they feel more comfortable booking there, and do so. Beyond that I always respond to LCMS client feedback and concerns promptly, and I find that goes a long way towards establishing trust that their personal info (and $$$$) will be protected.
I haven't made a definitive decision to never incorporate Epoch as an option, just at this point after thinking everything over I don't think the potential benefits outweigh the downsides. I want to make the site as client- and model-friendly as possible, and at this point I think using Epoch would skew that balance too far in the client's direction. Between my current cc processing and the new options I'll have client needs covered, arranged in a way that enables listees to receive the 80-85% payout percentage that attracted them to the site in the first place.
thanks for your question, if I ever change my mind down the road I will let everyone know asap.
SweetJulia
03-14-2015, 06:18 PM
Hi,
I applied with LCMS a few days ago, made sure all needed info was included, and still haven't heard back. Can anyone tell me what the average return time is on emails? Thanks :)
loveshooks
03-14-2015, 06:57 PM
Hi,
I applied with LCMS a few days ago, made sure all needed info was included, and still haven't heard back. Can anyone tell me what the average return time is on emails? Thanks :)
my usual turn around on profiles is within a day. I haven't received your email, I have no idea why as my domain email has no spambox within which it could get lost. Did you send it to
[email protected] ? Either way, I'm sorry it didn't get through and I hope you don't feel slighted. If it's not too much hassle could you forward it to
[email protected]?
apologies again, and thank you for joining :)
SweetJulia
03-16-2015, 12:47 AM
my usual turn around on profiles is within a day. I haven't received your email, I have no idea why as my domain email has no spambox within which it could get lost. Did you send it to
[email protected] ? Either way, I'm sorry it didn't get through and I hope you don't feel slighted. If it's not too much hassle could you forward it to
[email protected]?
apologies again, and thank you for joining :)
Thanks, will do asap.
xxtinamariexx
03-16-2015, 09:51 AM
I am up for it, and like MH I do blocks of a set time and amount, But.. I noticed when looking at my prices, that you don't have a pull down for $95, and I would have to up my $90 to the $95. Hopefully you can put that on there!!! :) please :)
Magical_Hoohah
03-16-2015, 10:21 AM
^^She can personalize your drop down menu. I've asked to have "odd" amounts added to my drop down menu multiple times (and will probably have do it again for the challenge).
xxtinamariexx
03-16-2015, 10:24 AM
Thanks, lol I thought I posted this then it wasn't there.. but now I see I posted it in the other thread!!
loveshooks
03-16-2015, 08:40 PM
thanks MH, and @Tina the payment buttons are the easiest thing in the world to alter
there's actually a few ways the buttons can be used. some chicas prefer '10 mins, 15 mins, 30 mins etc etc' instead of amounts in the main dropdown, with a separate button for tips. others have a main dropdown button, tip buttons in specific amounts and/or pricing tables, it's really just a matter of what works best for each individual. I added $95 to your button (and wicked that you're joining in), if there's any other adjustments you'd like just let me know (same goes for everyone else reading)
hope everyone is having a wicked night :)
Magical_Hoohah
03-19-2015, 08:30 PM
Just a few quick questions about the aesthetics of the buttons and the pricing tables:
For the pricing tables:
Is it only possible to have 5 boxes in a row, or can you fit more than that?
For the buttons:
How many can fit in a row - is it just 4?
Is it possible to make a section with two rows of buttons without having any weird spacing issues, such as a huge gap between the rows?
Is there a limit to how many characters can fit on each button?
Thanks!
loveshooks
03-19-2015, 09:33 PM
Just a few quick questions about the aesthetics of the buttons and the pricing tables:
For the pricing tables:
Is it only possible to have 5 boxes in a row, or can you fit more than that?
For the buttons:
How many can fit in a row - is it just 4?
Is it possible to make a section with two rows of buttons without having any weird spacing issues, such as a huge gap between the rows?
Is there a limit to how many characters can fit on each button?
Thanks!
the pricing tables can have up to six rows, same goes for number of buttons in a single line. in terms of the gap above each tip button, that I can't get rid of (the space is eaten up by the horrid javascript with which I'm forced to work) but in terms of horizontal spacing that's not an issue unless the buttons are very small width-wise (again, spacing of the f#cking javascript). Due to the javascript though, two rows of tip buttons looks really oddly-spaced, aesthetically I'd def suggest against that.
in terms of number of characters, there's no limit on that. the buttons width will be determined by the text, which is why visually larger lines look more aesthetically appealing than smaller lines (eg: 'Tip/Tribute $xx' will look better than '$xx'), particularly when they're all lined up in a row.
also just want to mention (I know Laurie did above, thanks) that the button drop down menu can include integers of any amount, eg $69.92. I can also use text instead of numbers for those who prefer that (eg: '10 minutes' instead of '$79.97'). Particularly for chicas who set show prices that are odd numbers, show duration text looks far better than a dropdown list of confusing numbers, for that reason it also helps with client-usability. Same goes for the dropdown tip buttons, those can have words/phrases instead of amounts for those who prefer.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you have in mind for your page :) hit me up once you have everything settled and I'll update your profile asap.
ivybunny
03-20-2015, 10:15 AM
For tip me, I'm curious what people think goes over better - the buttons or the drop down menu. I prefer the drop-down just because I have one customer who sends an absurd amount after each show - I don't think he'd click a $30 tribute button and go through payment processing 5 times. But I can see how having a button might encourage more tipping overall. What do you think?
loveshooks
03-20-2015, 01:22 PM
For tip me, I'm curious what people think goes over better - the buttons or the drop down menu. I prefer the drop-down just because I have one customer who sends an absurd amount after each show - I don't think he'd click a $30 tribute button and go through payment processing 5 times. But I can see how having a button might encourage more tipping overall. What do you think?
It's hard to provide numbers to assess which system works better, as it's not my business to go around asking what any given payment is for (as in, 'hey, was that a tip or a show payment'?). I would hazard a guess though that for most a dropdown button is more effective, as it allows guys to select the amount they want to tip, rather than giving a limited number of preset options. That's what I've always found anyways.
A few chicas use preset tip buttons though and those are used regularly (I can tell by the specific amounts that keep getting sent). Still, those tips are built into their persona/service menus (as in, as part of sub/slave package 'x' the dude needs to send specific tributes each day after making the initial payment). So yeah, while for them that method is ideal, those are pretty specific situations that can't be extrapolated to every chica's unqiue business design. Personally I've always avoided using preset tips for that reason, I look at it like why limit the options of my clients?
Magical_Hoohah
03-20-2015, 02:25 PM
For tip me, I'm curious what people think goes over better - the buttons or the drop down menu. I prefer the drop-down just because I have one customer who sends an absurd amount after each show - I don't think he'd click a $30 tribute button and go through payment processing 5 times. But I can see how having a button might encourage more tipping overall. What do you think?
I looked at your profile, and after laughing about the cute "flexible like a bendy straw" bit, here are my thoughts for you. I like how you have your drop down menu selected by the minute, but I think it's also important that you have a drop down with money amounts, especially because you are offering other services besides just cam shows. On the other hand, I think having two drop down menus is not as clean-looking as it could be.
If it's possible to do this (omg, LH, now I'm trying to get you to do weird page arrangements on other people's profiles, too, sorry!), maybe you could combine your two drop down menus into one, with the minute options on the top, and then monetary options below. For user friendliness, you might remove a few of your minute options (does anyone ever actually book a 55 minute show, and if they do, wouldn't you rather "encourage" them to book an hour instead?) So when clicked, your new menu would read like this:
Select an Amount
---by the minute---
10 minutes
15 minutes
30 minutes
etc. etc.
---by the $---
$10
$15
$20
etc. etc.
Then I would scrap your second drop down menu because you don't need it anymore, and I would replace it with 5 or 6 tip buttons, including one for your super-tipper, for example: $10, $20, $50, $75, $100, $150.
I think this arrangement would give you a clean look with a lot of functionality, and would also give you the very noticeable green buttons to encourage more tipping. (Incidentally, this is not what I was thinking of doing for my own page, but I have at least two good ideas, and I can only use one of them. Your business and mine are different, and I think this is the idea that's better suited to you than to me.)
loveshooks
03-20-2015, 03:21 PM
If it's possible to do this (omg, LH, now I'm trying to get you to do weird page arrangements on other people's profiles, too, sorry!)
please, I should really be paying all of y'all on sw (and off, for that matter) consulting fees for the wicked feedback and suggestions you've all made that have helped the site grow.
For anyone who is attracted to MH's idea, I could easily create a dual pricing table, with one side for shows and the other for tips, I threw together a mock-up table to give a better idea of what I'm talking about.
41078
(obv. the buttons would have dropdown menus and can have whatever text is desired, I just used 'buy now' as the default)
Are we on the same wavelength MH?
LaylaLovely
03-20-2015, 03:30 PM
^^ srry I've been taking forever to get back to you on the page :( I'm stuck on what to write lol
Magical_Hoohah
03-20-2015, 04:07 PM
That's really cool, too!
What I was envisioning was just the single drop down menu, like most of us have on our pages. When you click on "Select Amount," the list that drops down would be a mixed list, including both minute options and dollar options. Preferably there would be a handful of minute options at the top of the list, followed by the list of dollar amounts. The guys who just want to buy XX minutes can pick the easy option right at the top, but if they need to enter a specific dollar amount, they just scroll down to the $$ options. So when clicking the one drop down, the single list would literally look something like:
Select an Amount
---by the minute---
10 minutes
15 minutes
20 minutes
30 minutes
45 minutes
60 minutes
---by the $---
$10
$15
$20
$25
$30
...
The ---by the minute--- and ---by the $--- lines are optional, but make it a bit more tidy.
I was thinking you could combine them that way based on other (much longer) drop down menus that ask about things like location, and look like:
Choose Your Location
--US States--
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
...
--Countries--
Canada
United Kingdom
Australia
Afghanistan
Albania
...
Does that make sense? It seems like it should be very doable, since it would just be adding more options to the existing drop down menu, but I don't really know. Do you think it would be user friendly? I had thought that it would be very functional and uncluttered that way, but maybe guys would find it confusing?
loveshooks
03-20-2015, 06:46 PM
^^ srry I've been taking forever to get back to you on the page :( I'm stuck on what to write lol
clearly I need more coffee (that or a break from this machine). I read your post and did a double take; is she not who I think she is? doesn't she already get bookings all the time on LCMS? then I remembered, you mean the multi-page site :) take your time, it's there whenever you're ready to use it.
That's really cool, too!
What I was envisioning was just the single drop down menu, like most of us have on our pages. When you click on "Select Amount," the list that drops down would be a mixed list, including both minute options and dollar options. Preferably there would be a handful of minute options at the top of the list, followed by the list of dollar amounts. The guys who just want to buy XX minutes can pick the easy option right at the top, but if they need to enter a specific dollar amount, they just scroll down to the $$ options.
The ---by the minute--- and ---by the $--- lines are optional, but make it a bit more tidy.
I was thinking you could combine them that way based on other (much longer) drop down menus that ask about things like location
Does that make sense? It seems like it should be very doable, since it would just be adding more options to the existing drop down menu, but I don't really know. Do you think it would be user friendly? I had thought that it would be very functional and uncluttered that way, but maybe guys would find it confusing?
as far as the first item, the combined 'time period' and 'monetary amount' button, I could easily do that. I guess I just worry that the list would be so long that guys might find it confusing. As in, what am I supposed to choose? I can do it so chicas are welcome to it, I just suspect that streamlining things to that extent might cause more confusion than it would prevent.
as far as the city/nation thing, again I probably need coffee but you've totally lost me, what would the purpose of that be? If the point is to get guys off the page over to the payment page where they enter their cc details, what purpose would that sort of dropdown serve? The notification emails list city/nation info anyways so every chica has access to that info on her clients already. Like I said, if I'm missing something apologies, I just can't see the purpose behind that. You're brilliant so I'm sure there is one, fill me in when you get a chance :)
thanks again for everyone's input, and please keep the suggestions coming as the site grows. things will be changing pretty dramatically over the next couple of months, I have a whole bunch of new features/payment options in the works but there are only so many hours in a day so it feels like everything is inching along.
what isn't inching along though is site earnings. February blew every other month away by a mile and it's only the 20th of March and we've already surpassed it. Insane. I know I keep saying this but thank you all so much for supporting LCMS, the success of this site is entirely due to each of you who've chosen to participate.
hope everyone is having a wicked $$$$$ night :goodvibes
Magical_Hoohah
03-20-2015, 07:17 PM
I can do it so chicas are welcome to it, I just suspect that streamlining things to that extent might cause more confusion than it would prevent.
Yeah, I was wondering about that, too. I think it could go either way.
as far as the city/nation thing, again I probably need coffee but you've totally lost me, what would the purpose of that be?
Nooo, I should have been more clear. That was definitely NOT a recommendation for LCMS, lol. It was just an example of one type of common drop down list that is divided up into two sections within a single drop down. I was trying to make a comparison to something we've probably all seen on one site or another, so it would be easier to envision (because I was struggling to figure out how to parse together an actual photo example of what I was talking about). Sorry about that!
tashato
03-21-2015, 01:50 AM
^^^thanks for clarifying :)
1) a back end for models to edit their own profiles
hihi loveshooks - I've been out of camming for a while but am going to be back at it soon. Looking forward to all your great updates! I'm wondering if being able to edit our own profiles means we'll have more control over designing our pages? I would really love it if my LCMS page could match the branding/design I'm hoping to get out in a few months when I finish up school, but I can be a bit of a control freak about it!
ivybunny
03-21-2015, 09:56 AM
MH and LH are my heroes. You ladies are inspirationally thoughtful and meticulous -
I thought about MH's suggestion of a single dropdown with amounts and time before - and while I like it in theory and I totally understand your distaste for the two vertically placed dropdown menus (I feel the same every time I look at my own page) I think my issue comes with the fact that few guys will scroll down to the end of the dropdown menu to find the tip amounts. The one thing that I try to apply continually to the design of my profiles, etc from my time in the humanities is that even the most miniscule difference in difficulty will make a large difference in whether people will go that extra distance. I'd rather have my links, my tip processors, anything that converts traffic/payment as easily accessible as technically possible. In fact, my next project is to ask LH if there's a direct link I can send at the end of a session that will send guys directly to the payment processor of a tribute.
I only thought that a horizonally placed table of dropdowns as LH mentioned wasn't possible because I must have misread your (LH-MH) exchange a couple pages before. If it is, I would LOVE to have that in place! LH, I fuggin LURVE that you took the time out to look at my page.
And finally, LH I wanted to say that us cam models are always going to do what we're going to do - be awesomesauce and make dat dough - if LCMS is beyond thriving, it's only because we're all flocking to what YOU'VE made possible.
<3 all around
Ivy
Magical_Hoohah
03-21-2015, 10:49 AM
MH and LH are my heroes. You ladies are inspirationally thoughtful and meticulous
Right back at you! ;)
The one thing that I try to apply continually to the design of my profiles, etc from my time in the humanities is that even the most miniscule difference in difficulty will make a large difference in whether people will go that extra distance. I'd rather have my links, my tip processors, anything that converts traffic/payment as easily accessible as technically possible.
^^This is so smart and well stated (my mental panties completely dropped)! In my brain, I know that it's true, and I try to keep it in mind with everything, but in my heart I struggle constantly to come to grips with it. My background is in arts and lit, so my instincts always tell me, "Don't worry - they'll figure it out! It just has to be beautiful, well-written, and enticing, and then they'll want to make the extra effort!" You're right, though. There's pretty much irrefutable evidence, my own habits included, that shows that "effort conservation" (laziness) is a huge factor in behavior and choices.
In fact, my next project is to ask LH if there's a direct link I can send at the end of a session that will send guys directly to the payment processor of a tribute.
Oooo! Good thought! I'm honestly pretty shy about suggesting tributes/tips, and 90% of the time I even forget to ask for reviews, so I suspect I would fail to use the link, but it's still a great idea.
ivybunny
03-21-2015, 11:57 AM
Oh I totally get it. As you see in my profile, I totally drop that for my bio and shizz (it's the same for my SM bio). I can't deal with incompetent assholes anyway so I feel like anyone getting to know a model who doesn't read the bio before talking to me isn't really for me. I feel like I'm trying to attract a certain kind of guy and the long bios tend to accomplish that.
But effort conservation (thanks, I blanked on the term!) is something I'm lazy about but which I'm constantly aware of with the technical shit. Mostly my spotty Twitter game. :)
Out of curiosity, might I see your LCMS to note some of our differences? NP if not, but if you're chill with it, PM? ^_^
xxtinamariexx
03-21-2015, 12:23 PM
I wanted to say... it is so nice to see a site owner that takes the Cammodels opinions and uses them, and other camgirls helping out eachother out!!! I think that LCMS is going to be THE BEST INDY site there is!!! No matter if we are in the same "niche" or not. we are all different in how and what we offer. Thank you LS for providing a great INDY site!!! Camgirl for camgirls!!!
loveshooks
03-21-2015, 10:58 PM
so much awesomeness here, I'll go through the items/ideas one by one below
Nooo, I should have been more clear. That was definitely NOT a recommendation for LCMS, lol. It was just an example of one type of common drop down list that is divided up into two sections within a single drop down. I was trying to make a comparison to something we've probably all seen on one site or another, so it would be easier to envision (because I was struggling to figure out how to parse together an actual photo example of what I was talking about). Sorry about that!
thanks for clarifying :) yeah, I totally misread you, apologies for that. I LOVE your idea about side-by-side buttons, I've already added that to one page, and if any other chicas who would like that set-up just let me know
hihi loveshooks - I've been out of camming for a while but am going to be back at it soon. Looking forward to all your great updates! I'm wondering if being able to edit our own profiles means we'll have more control over designing our pages? I would really love it if my LCMS page could match the branding/design I'm hoping to get out in a few months when I finish up school, but I can be a bit of a control freak about it!
in terms of actual page design, I won't be putting that in as a back end any time soon as that would mean completely re-hauling the CMS (as not every chica knows html/css). I can't justify the expense and time that would take when other things (like traffic acquisition) have a much larger impact on listee user-experience. What I mean by 'back end' is an area where chicas can input updates that I then add to the page. While I personally prefer doing everything via email I know not every chica prefers that. Beyond the CMS issue, the idea of giving chicas carte blanche to publish new content without moderation worries me, as not every chica is familiar with things such as BRAM words.
If you'd like to go in and recode your own page design you're welcome to do so though, hit me up if so and we can set that up. That goes for everyone, btw, there's no private info or clips stored in the site back end so I have no problem creating editor accounts for chicas who want to handle their page design themselves.
MH and LH are my heroes. You ladies are inspirationally thoughtful and meticulous -
I thought about MH's suggestion of a single dropdown with amounts and time before - and while I like it in theory and I totally understand your distaste for the two vertically placed dropdown menus (I feel the same every time I look at my own page) I think my issue comes with the fact that few guys will scroll down to the end of the dropdown menu to find the tip amounts. The one thing that I try to apply continually to the design of my profiles, etc from my time in the humanities is that even the most miniscule difference in difficulty will make a large difference in whether people will go that extra distance. I'd rather have my links, my tip processors, anything that converts traffic/payment as easily accessible as technically possible. In fact, my next project is to ask LH if there's a direct link I can send at the end of a session that will send guys directly to the payment processor of a tribute.
I only thought that a horizonally placed table of dropdowns as LH mentioned wasn't possible because I must have misread your (LH-MH) exchange a couple pages before. If it is, I would LOVE to have that in place! LH, I fuggin LURVE that you took the time out to look at my page.
And finally, LH I wanted to say that us cam models are always going to do what we're going to do - be awesomesauce and make dat dough - if LCMS is beyond thriving, it's only because we're all flocking to what YOU'VE made possible.
<3 all around
Ivy
^^^thank you so much for that :goodvibes
I LOVE your idea about post-show tributes, I know I've already messaged you about yours but for everyone else, I realized that unique payment confirmed pages are a snap to make. I've made a few already, to give an example that won't 'out' anyone here my own is at . Every time a guy makes a payment he's automatically redirected to the matching payment confirmed page rather than just the generic LCMS 'payment confirmed' page (to ensure that chicas get credited for their tips). If anyone else would like one let me know.
I'm honestly pretty shy about suggesting tributes/tips, and 90% of the time I even forget to ask for reviews, so I suspect I would fail to use the link, but it's still a great idea.
me too, I think a lot of us are. thanks so much for this wicked convo that brought forth this idea :)
I wanted to say... it is so nice to see a site owner that takes the Cammodels opinions and uses them, and other camgirls helping out eachother out!!! I think that LCMS is going to be THE BEST INDY site there is!!! No matter if we are in the same "niche" or not. we are all different in how and what we offer. Thank you LS for providing a great INDY site!!! Camgirl for camgirls!!!
^^^chica, thank you so much :goodvibes tbh that is my long term goal, I know it won't happen overnight but considering how rapidly I have to keep updating my projections as the site surpasses them, I think (hope!!!) that will happen much sooner than I could have ever anticipated.
I think this thread is a wicked example of what cam chicas have to offer to businesses, in that no one knows more about how to make $$$$ than the ones who do it every day. I'm only half joking when I write that y'all should be charging me for this. That so many of you have chosen to pool knowledge for mutual benefit amongst all indy chicas here is so fucking cool because that's what I wanted this site to be as I was building it. I didn't want to build 'just another site', rather I wanted to create a venue for chicas new and experienced to learn from each other and participate in a collective effort to elevate this niche while raising a payout bar that hasn't been raised since I joined the niche. And it's all happening, so fucking cool
Apologies for that spiel, I just wanted to respond in particular to the 'camgirls for camgirls' reference as it hit me when I read it (that's why I took so long to respond, I wanted to take the time to compose a reply to your post in a way that reflects/articulates how I responded to reading it). if there was a slogan for my goal in designing the site that would be it. I'd actually like to adopt it as a slogan if you don't mind.
y'all are amazing, hope everyone is having a wicked $$$$ night
xxtinamariexx
03-22-2015, 06:03 AM
It's all yours! !! Go for it!
xxtinamariexx
03-22-2015, 06:05 AM
It's all yours! !! Go for it!
Bootsie
03-24-2015, 03:54 PM
Damn, I looked through some profiles, some of them are seriously awesome! I sent in some updates (hahaha, it's a total overhaul) for mine, and I'm going to poke 2 of my guys to write me reviews. Love this site :)
loveshooks
03-24-2015, 11:41 PM
^^^thank you!!!! :goodvibes
if you're talking about the new image backgrounds on some of the pages, I can't take credit for that, that was MH's idea. Wicked work around for the javascript spacing issue, I'm actually trying to figure out how to whittle my menu down to 6 items so that I can put one on mine.
I also wanted to mention, I'll be adding a new category to the site (all natural/hairy) as a bunch of chicas have requested it. there's also a new custom request posted on the site
about categories though, I'd love some feedback, can y'all think of any that should be there but aren't?
as far as the challenge, I sent out an email tonight to everyone. for those of you who have little ones (being a cat parent Easter holidays didn't occur to me as an issue) I'd be happy to extend the 85% for an extra week.
tashato
03-25-2015, 01:30 AM
If you'd like to go in and recode your own page design you're welcome to do so though, hit me up if so and we can set that up. That goes for everyone, btw, there's no private info or clips stored in the site back end so I have no problem creating editor accounts for chicas who want to handle their page design themselves.
yesss! thank you loveshooks, you are a dream! i'll shoot you an email about it when i'm ready to do it up.
melanielive
04-04-2015, 12:41 PM
Could u guys tell me what s loveshooks yahoo> ( pm me if u want so it s not public) and skype if she uses one...
I have a " suspicious" customer waiting to start a show, he made the payment alright but i m afraid he s gonna do a chargeback.... do u guys know what happens with chargebacks on this site??
Gosh i wish i had her on my contacts, i m gonna have to take the risk i guess.... ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
loveshooks
04-04-2015, 02:49 PM
Could u guys tell me what s loveshooks yahoo> ( pm me if u want so it s not public) and skype if she uses one...
I have a " suspicious" customer waiting to start a show, he made the payment alright but i m afraid he s gonna do a chargeback.... do u guys know what happens with chargebacks on this site??
Gosh i wish i had her on my contacts, i m gonna have to take the risk i guess.... ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
you can always reach me via email at
[email protected] or via yahoo at quinn69_on_cam
as to the booking, did you find it suspicious due to the amount? either way, not suspicious at all. he's a long time reg of mine and of LCMS. nothing at all to worry about :)
I'm going to email you in case you don't check back on sw today, but for anyone else my contact info is above and I also include it in each welcome email. any time anyone has a question or concern about a booking feel free to hit me up.
in terms of cb policy, LCMS does not cover cb's. The reason why is that I think it serves chicas better to offer a higher payout and provide tools for manually scrubbing your own bookings, rather than pooling the cost of unnecessary risk.
thus far LCMS has had two cb's. The first I challenged with Visa and won (with my own merchant account I can do that) :) , and with the second I worked out a repayment plan with an obvious friendly fraud client after I threatened to sue him. LCMS has an aggressive cb dispute policy and thus far its working; both chicas subject to cb's have kept the money.
loveshooks
04-07-2015, 03:26 PM
there's a new interim feature on LCMS, for those who are publishing clips on the site you can now embed those clips on your own website or domain.
I've made an example page on my own personal site. In the coming months I'll have preset widgets so that you can embed all your clips with one piece of code, but for now the embed code for each clip needs to be added your webpage individually. It's pretty easy though, you just grab the code from the product page after publishing the clip, it took me about 3 minutes to put the demo page together. You can choose the size and shape of your widgets to fit your preview image/gif size, as well as whether you wish to have the price included.
this is the beta version and I hope some of you find it useful :)
ivybunny
04-08-2015, 03:45 PM
One thing I've always thought was that the categories were too scrunched up together and the lilac against purple makes even me not want to scroll through too many of them - any way you could have it redirect to an actual page with the different categories that go together kind of like now (race-ish/hair/body particulars, personality-ish (sub/Dom/GND, etc) and group them together? Also, if there's a big breast category, there should probably be a small tits category, neh?
The same could be said for the clips as well. It could still be a dropdown when hovering over models/clips, but clicking on the actual button could redirect to a dedicated page with the categories.
A couple of my own points to add:
With the addition of so many new models, will you be making any changes to your current placement algorithm, which I believe is a simple 1)online > offline 2) alphabetical? Much like the categories, I think when it was a smaller number of girls it was fine, but as time passes and there are so many choices, one can get overwhelmed and just choose between the first few choices. I'm not complaining here, it doesn't affect me quite so much, but I was still wondering. :)
Also, since you've mentioned that the site could be faster, there's a duplication of the page livecammodelshows.com/cammodels/ and lcms.com/meet-cam-models. Since there's so much data on each, I figure just getting rid of one of them would make a difference.
FINALLY, how are the review placements done? By newest on top? It's also the fact that the pages are so wide that it's hard to really read them, etc. Possibly modules? My first thought was tumblr but that seems like effort.
Thanks LH<333333
^^^thank you!!!! :goodvibes
if you're talking about the new image backgrounds on some of the pages, I can't take credit for that, that was MH's idea. Wicked work around for the javascript spacing issue, I'm actually trying to figure out how to whittle my menu down to 6 items so that I can put one on mine.
I also wanted to mention, I'll be adding a new category to the site (all natural/hairy) as a bunch of chicas have requested it. there's also a new custom request posted on the site
about categories though, I'd love some feedback, can y'all think of any that should be there but aren't?
as far as the challenge, I sent out an email tonight to everyone. for those of you who have little ones (being a cat parent Easter holidays didn't occur to me as an issue) I'd be happy to extend the 85% for an extra week.
sexysusie
04-08-2015, 04:03 PM
Where/ how exactly do I get to the info i need to paste? Thanks
LaylaLovely
04-14-2015, 05:57 PM
Quick question... What do you girls do if a guy adds you then says they don't remeber where they found you..what if they found you on two sites .. These guys can be so vague ... The thing Is I can tell there lying... Like if there foreign it's almost always sp...they play dumb and I don't wanna brake the rules.. Also sometimes they will pay via one site then they come back and ask if they can pay on another to "help me out" and they say it's okay because I found u on both the sites
sexysusie
04-14-2015, 06:48 PM
Oh well oops he ended up on the site that pays me the highest % !!
loveshooks
04-14-2015, 10:49 PM
One thing I've always thought was that the categories were too scrunched up together and the lilac against purple makes even me not want to scroll through too many of them - any way you could have it redirect to an actual page with the different categories that go together kind of like now (race-ish/hair/body particulars, personality-ish (sub/Dom/GND, etc) and group them together?
I'll give that idea some thought. I agree that the menu is now so long it's unweidly, particularly as I create new categories as the site grows.
it could solve one issue; I worry that currently the categories aren't really used all that much by guys who actually purchase and perhaps design is part of the reason why. Still, it could raise another: I don't want to put too many steps between guys hitting the home page and reaching each chica's profile link-through image. I'll give it some thought and play around with ideas, we're definitely on the same page with the far-too-lengthy dropdown.
Also, if there's a big breast category, there should probably be a small tits category, neh?
ha, true say
The same could be said for the clips as well. It could still be a dropdown when hovering over models/clips, but clicking on the actual button could redirect to a dedicated page with the categories.
I do have a page like that, it's the first one in the menu: where I list each producer and some of the main categories. I do plan on adding the rest of the categories to that page, but there at least I think I want to keep the drop-down. Yes it's far too long but it is uber-functional. It's not really the same as searching cam chica categories: guys who like blond BBWs also enjoy slender Ebony chicas (or any combo you can think of). With clips it's different, chances are a dude who wants hard core Femdom isn't going to want a vanilla sex video, as such I want to make it as easy (and as quick) as possible for them to reach the page they want. I will give it some thought though.
A couple of my own points to add:
With the addition of so many new models, will you be making any changes to your current placement algorithm, which I believe is a simple 1)online > offline 2) alphabetical? Much like the categories, I think when it was a smaller number of girls it was fine, but as time passes and there are so many choices, one can get overwhelmed and just choose between the first few choices. I'm not complaining here, it doesn't affect me quite so much, but I was still wondering. :)
In terms of the online system, I'll be making some changes to that as well but currently it's just who logged in last. I'm actually comparing quotes for a lot of the back end work right now, I really wanted to do it myself but I just don't have time to teach myself. Along with an admin and video-publishing system, the online models is going to be changed as well. Assuming I can create one that allows for skype ID to remain concealed, I'm guessing that would be the most popular option?
In terms of category pages, those are growing pretty quickly and yeah, are mostly heavily used by the looky-loos. As the categories grow in number of chicas listed, they are presenting a LOT of choice to dudes, some of which might be a bit overwhelming. I think having more sub-categories will help with that though, in that it will give each chica an opportunity to gain more prominence (the smaller the niche, the fewer chicas will be listed in each)
Also, since you've mentioned that the site could be faster, there's a duplication of the page livecammodelshows.com/cammodels/ and lcms.com/meet-cam-models. Since there's so much data on each, I figure just getting rid of one of them would make a difference.
wow, I did that redirect months ago when I nixed an idea for a page and totally forgot about it. gracias for the reminder
FINALLY, how are the review placements done? By newest on top? It's also the fact that the pages are so wide that it's hard to really read them, etc. Possibly modules? My first thought was tumblr but that seems like effort.
the first few I put in as the top, but after the third or fourth I started placing the newest at the top. I was actually thinking of putting columns in, that or changing the page background cuz it is a little hard to read. really weird and cool that you're mentioning some of the things I've been 'hmm' about myself lately.
Thanks LH<333333
back atcha chica :)
Where/ how exactly do I get to the info i need to paste? Thanks
I know we spoke privately but for everyone else you can grab the code directly from the product page after it's published. this is just the first version, the second will have an option for a transparent iframe background.
Quick question... What do you girls do if a guy adds you then says they don't remeber where they found you..what if they found you on two sites .. These guys can be so vague ... The thing Is I can tell there lying... Like if there foreign it's almost always sp...they play dumb and I don't wanna brake the rules.. Also sometimes they will pay via one site then they come back and ask if they can pay on another to "help me out" and they say it's okay because I found u on both the sites
one trick is to ask what color the site is, most of the main ones have pretty distinctive color schemes. if a guy won't tell you though, I've always taken the stance that I'm not a mind reader, I can't be expected to divine that ish so I have always just directed him to my preferred option.
as for clients from multiple sites, most dedicated indy clients visit all the sites. again, if a guy messages me from two different places I call that my choice. I understand that it's a somewhat self-serving stance in that LCMS offers a higher payout, all I'm saying is that's how I've always handled it myself with clients. So self-serving, but not hypocritical :)
I also wanted to mention (as I got a question about this yesterday via email); any clients that a listee brings to LCMS are hers to do with as she chooses, whenever she chooses. That's stated in the model contract as well, but in case there are any questions that's the site policy. I don't claim any ownership over your own customers so it's not like you're signing a blood oath to process his bookings on LCMS, you're always free to send your own guys where you want them to pay.
Oh well oops he ended up on the site that pays me the highest % !!
I hate it when that happens to me:)
In terms of updates, aside from the new backend work I've decided to hire out I've added check payout outside of the US. Canada, most of Europe and Australia/New Zealand are covered. Since I have to send those out through payroll instead of doing it myself there is a cost, it's $4-$5 depending on nation of residence. The checks are converted to local currency from USD before they arrive
thank again for the wicked feedback, I really appreciate the collaboration.
one last point on the 'y'all are badass' tip. As of this month I need to raise my payment ceiling for a third time. I've pretty much given up at this point trying to predicate the rate of growth with anything approaching accuracy, which is a really wicked problem to have :)
hope everyone is having a wicked night :goodvibes
Procrasturbator
04-15-2015, 02:21 AM
I've never been terribly active on this thread but I just have to say, this past week has been awesome for me on LCMS. I've been lazy and have rarely sent guys there (I don't have many of my own guys to send, 99% of them found me on another indy site) so normally I don't get a ton of traffic but in the past few days I've gotten more traffic from LCMS per day than I have in some previous weeks. It's now becoming very common for guys who add me to say that they found me on LCMS. I don't know what you're doing but please keep doing it!
Bootsie
04-15-2015, 12:38 PM
Has anyone sold any videos through LCMS? I've been putting out some decent clips on C4S and I was wondering if it was worth cross-posting them to LCMS or not.
sexysusie
04-15-2015, 03:18 PM
No one has bought yet because i haven't really advertised it, but I am working on moving all of my videos over to lcms (can't wait till the new uploading system :D) as there is a higher payout there than anywhere else!
Mistress Anika
04-21-2015, 06:51 PM
I have a handful of clips on LCMS and i've had a few sales. Its not C4S but posting a few good clips cant hurt.
loveshooks
04-23-2015, 11:01 PM
A few new updates :)
1) Accounting
as of May 1st every listee on the site will have an admin panel to check her own bookings in real time. I'm still building a back end so that listees can check their bookings on site in real time, but in the interim this is a huge issue I'm happy to be able to finally resolve. It will take a few days to recode every profile but please be assured that all payments are being tallied in the interim. The addition of clip sales to the earnings statistics will be completed by early-June
2) Cascading payments
Every processor declines the odd legit client. As of early May I will have a new merchant account in place to offer an alternative cc option. By mid-May I will also have non-cc Euro-focused processing in place. The main site traffic is US/UK/CA but those who fall outside that zone can be dedicated spenders so I want LCMS to cater to clients in all regions.
3) I'm also raising the base payout to 85%.
4) Site Categories
I've added three new ones: small tits (holla), CFNM and BDSM. I'm trying to add peeps via profile text but that isn't all that effective, so if you fit those categories let me know
I think that's all for now, hope everyone is having a wicked night.
sexysusie
04-24-2015, 12:27 AM
That's so great :D
I was wondering about links for direct payments. I had a guy pay for a custom clip today and I would rather just have given him a link direct to the merchant page instead of him seeing all my camming blurb as he is a fetish customer and knows me by a different name. I don't know why but sometimes my fetish guys are put off by the in your face sexuality of camming. Anyway when I tried just using the link to the merchant page it came up with an error. Is there a straightforward way of doing this?
Thanks x
space_cowgirl
04-24-2015, 06:30 AM
Does anyone know if we still can't upload mp4 files for videos?
Cam_Model_Jess
04-24-2015, 06:58 PM
^^You can
Cam_Model_Jess
04-24-2015, 07:02 PM
I don't know why but sometimes my fetish guys are put off by the in your face sexuality of camming. Anyway when I tried just using the link to the merchant page it came up with an error. Is there a straightforward way of doing this?
Thanks x
Have loveshooks make you a page. She just made me one... and let me say that it is awesome... so much more than I expected.
I had the same issue. My customers don't want to see regular "vanilla" camgirl stuff, and since I just use the site to send customers to pay for custom clips, I wanted a direct link just to a page.
So here's what the uncustomized page looks like (you tell her what you want): http://www.livecammodelshows.com/unbranded-demo/
and here's what a customized page looks like: http://www.livecammodelshows.com/tribute-mistress-harley/
(that's not my page)
If you have a website, loveshooks can make it look similar to your site, or it can just be pretty plain with a payment section.
sexysusie
04-24-2015, 09:27 PM
Thanks Hun, that's what I have already and loveshooks did a great job on it. I don't want to change it as I use it for indie camming mainly. I just wanted to click through to the payment page where you put in your card details and give the guy that link direct but it doesn't work. He didn't say anything about the page anyway though so no biggie x
loveshooks
04-24-2015, 11:02 PM
I was wondering about links for direct payments. I had a guy pay for a custom clip today and I would rather just have given him a link direct to the merchant page instead of him seeing all my camming blurb as he is a fetish customer and knows me by a different name. I don't know why but sometimes my fetish guys are put off by the in your face sexuality of camming. Anyway when I tried just using the link to the merchant page it came up with an error. Is there a straightforward way of doing this?
Thanks x
With my current merchant account the bank won't permit me to use the payment buttons on any domain that I don't own. that annoys me to no end but their bank their rules. with my new merchant account that I'm in the process of opening I'm not sure what their policy is. With the new gateway that will be physically possible (as the buttons will be html and not javascript- wootwoot), it's just a matter of whether the new bank will allow it. I'll ask my rep on Monday and update as soon as I find out.
Does anyone know if we still can't upload mp4 files for videos?
^^You can
thanks :)
for some reason my mp4 clips turn into audio files, but thus far everyone else's have been ok. I figure it must be an issue with the software I use to convert clips
in terms of switching over to the new gateway, I'm doing that all before I get rid of my old gateway so that it will be a seamless transition with no down time.
a question about the cascade I'll be introducing. I don't think it makes sense to have two duplicate buttons on every page. My idea is to use one merchant account as the default, so that all the pages will look the same as they did before, and then at the bottom have a dropdown button connected to the other merchant account, for use in the event that a legit dude gets declined. any thoughts on that?
one last thing, I've received a couple of questions about the new merchant account. each listee will be able to use both interchangeably, and all the bookings from each will be totaled together at 85%. this is just about giving the odd legit guys who get declined another payment option, from a listee standpoint there will be no difference in payouts or payout percentages
I'll have the new admin system up by the end of the month, as I make them each chica will get an email with login details, etc. if anyone has any questions let me know
hope everyone is having a wicked night :)
sexysusie
04-25-2015, 03:19 AM
Thanks loveshooks. I should have known really as I once tried to use my CCBill on another site and they were NIT happy lol!
CarlaCainXXX
05-01-2015, 11:31 AM
Hello, I had a question about the customizable payment pages for directing customers from a models own site, does this always result in being fully offsite for the payment or are there more integrated options like a frame in the coding for the page?
Also, what happens upon payment confirmation in this case, does a confirmation email go to them or does a page within LCMS.com or the models website show a confirmation page?