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Malazan and I needed a break. Not sure I'm going to end up finishing the series. I really like The Goblin Emperor so far. I feel like a lot of sci-fi/fantasy writers are more about world building and way less about character development. I really am more character driven, so I appreciate this story a lot.
Awww, don't give up! Coltaine is one of my favorite fantasy characters ever.
audrey_k
07-29-2015, 05:54 AM
Finished Storm of Swords. Definitely the best book thus far in the GOT series I've read. On to A Feast For Crows which after finishing Storm of Swords is going to feel like reading a magazine, the type is huge and its about 200/300 pages shorter.
I hope George R R Martin gets his ass down to his desk and finishes writing the Winds of Winter, I'm going to be really disappointed if it's released after the 6th season of GOT starts. I want to read the book first but my boyfriend is going to pitch a fit if we end up having to wait a few months before we start watching it because the book doesn't get released until the end of the summer.
Raziel
07-29-2015, 10:09 AM
I hope George R R Martin gets his ass down to his desk and finishes writing the Winds of Winter, I'm going to be really disappointed if it's released after the 6th season of GOT starts. I want to read the book first but my boyfriend is going to pitch a fit if we end up having to wait a few months before we start watching it because the book doesn't get released until the end of the summer.
They are saying next march. After that he's fucked, though. It's taken him literally sixteen years to write the last three books, so no chance in hell is A Dream of Spring going to be published before season seven (Or eight if it goes that far).
audrey_k
07-29-2015, 01:04 PM
^I'm wondering what they'll do about that. Hopefully Wind of Winter comes out in early March and then the show premieres towards the end, that way I can finish the book and then watch the show.
I've heard from different people that they've caught up to where the books are and then from other people that they haven't, I've just finished the third book and I'm probably towards the beginning of season 5... so if they literally condensed two books into one season when Storm of Swords took up two seasons, I would be surprised, so I'm thinking the books MUST be ahead of the show? Especially since A Dance with Dragons is even longer than Storm of Swords?
There is no way though that he will finish the next book before season 7 would premier, that is for sure. I wonder if they'll just keep going or if they'll speed ahead of the books? It would be kind of shitty if that happened, (though I guess the only other option is to put the show on hold for 5 years which is never going to happen) but at the same time they've veered so off course to what is actually going on in the books it might not matter that much.The first two books were totally on course with the show and now everything is starting to go sideways.
I have to say as well though that I find some of the characters to be much more interesting on TV. I know a good actor can take any character and make them likeable, but one of the best things to be about GOT is that there is no black and white only grey, I can only really of two characters that are purely evil and two characters that are purely good, everyone falls in-between and that's what makes them interesting. The Hound to be on the show was so unlikeable at first but then you saw a totally different side to him with some of his scenes with Arya and Sansa, but in the books he was pretty much just a bad person. And how Jaime went from throwing a child off a window in the first episode to being one of my favourite characters of all time, I feel like the books are missing a bit of that multidimensional/growth aspect that the show has.
Raziel
07-29-2015, 03:56 PM
^I'm wondering what they'll do about that. Hopefully Wind of Winter comes out in early March and then the show premieres towards the end, that way I can finish the book and then watch the show.
Show'll prolly be the first Sunday in April.
I've heard from different people that they've caught up to where the books are and then from other people that they haven't, I've just finished the third book and I'm probably towards the beginning of season 5... so if they literally condensed two books into one season when Storm of Swords took up two seasons, I would be surprised, so I'm thinking the books MUST be ahead of the show? Especially since A Dance with Dragons is even longer than Storm of Swords?
No, there just caught up with a lot of stuff from book 4 cut out. Word is that at least one storyline from book 4 will be making it's way back into season 6, this is backed up by "We do not sow" art that's been released as well as casting call for an Ironborn "Pirate" that fans are speculating is Euron Greyjoy. If that's the case the Kingsmoot is back in, which i'm happy about because it closes a major plotline out (The fate of Balon Greyjoy), as well as introduce a really great villain. (Victarion is apparently cut, though)
There is no way though that he will finish the next book before season 7 would premier, that is for sure. I wonder if they'll just keep going or if they'll speed ahead of the books? It would be kind of shitty if that happened, (though I guess the only other option is to put the show on hold for 5 years which is never going to happen) but at the same time they've veered so off course to what is actually going on in the books it might not matter that much.The first two books were totally on course with the show and now everything is starting to go sideways.
They have an outline of the rest of the series.
I have to say as well though that I find some of the characters to be much more interesting on TV. I know a good actor can take any character and make them likeable, but one of the best things to be about GOT is that there is no black and white only grey, I can only really of two characters that are purely evil and two characters that are purely good, everyone falls in-between and that's what makes them interesting. The Hound to be on the show was so unlikeable at first but then you saw a totally different side to him with some of his scenes with Arya and Sansa, but in the books he was pretty much just a bad person. And how Jaime went from throwing a child off a window in the first episode to being one of my favourite characters of all time, I feel like the books are missing a bit of that multidimensional/growth aspect that the show has.
RE: The Hound and Jamie; that's all in the series but the show is a lot more overt about it. Rather like the relationship between Renly and Loras or the castration of Theon (In the books both are merely hinted at, on the show it's in your face).
^I'm wondering what they'll do about that. Hopefully Wind of Winter comes out in early March and then the show premieres towards the end, that way I can finish the book and then watch the show.
I've heard from different people that they've caught up to where the books are and then from other people that they haven't, I've just finished the third book and I'm probably towards the beginning of season 5... so if they literally condensed two books into one season when Storm of Swords took up two seasons, I would be surprised, so I'm thinking the books MUST be ahead of the show? Especially since A Dance with Dragons is even longer than Storm of Swords?
There is no way though that he will finish the next book before season 7 would premier, that is for sure. I wonder if they'll just keep going or if they'll speed ahead of the books? It would be kind of shitty if that happened, (though I guess the only other option is to put the show on hold for 5 years which is never going to happen) but at the same time they've veered so off course to what is actually going on in the books it might not matter that much.The first two books were totally on course with the show and now everything is starting to go sideways.
I have to say as well though that I find some of the characters to be much more interesting on TV. I know a good actor can take any character and make them likeable, but one of the best things to be about GOT is that there is no black and white only grey, I can only really of two characters that are purely evil and two characters that are purely good, everyone falls in-between and that's what makes them interesting. The Hound to be on the show was so unlikeable at first but then you saw a totally different side to him with some of his scenes with Arya and Sansa, but in the books he was pretty much just a bad person. And how Jaime went from throwing a child off a window in the first episode to being one of my favourite characters of all time, I feel like the books are missing a bit of that multidimensional/growth aspect that the show has.
It's not as simple as caught up/not caught up because a lot stuff was changed or entirely made up, but for the most part yes things on the show are about where they are in the book. Some stuff is actually ahead of the books like Tyrions part of the tale, or simply not in the books at all like Jamies. It was actually not very hard to condense two books into one season because one of those books hardly mentioned any of the main characters at all, and all the characters that it dealt with were cut from the show. Bran was caught up to the books a season ago, that's why he didn't even show up last season. In the end it doesn't really matter, the show runners know the basic outline of the story and the end result for every main character so the basic story will be the same.
audrey_k
07-30-2015, 08:41 AM
Show'll prolly be the first Sunday in April.
No, there just caught up with a lot of stuff from book 4 cut out. Word is that at least one storyline from book 4 will be making it's way back into season 6, this is backed up by "We do not sow" art that's been released as well as casting call for an Ironborn "Pirate" that fans are speculating is Euron Greyjoy. If that's the case the Kingsmoot is back in, which i'm happy about because it closes a major plotline out (The fate of Balon Greyjoy), as well as introduce a really great villain. (Victarion is apparently cut, though)
They have an outline of the rest of the series.
RE: The Hound and Jamie; that's all in the series but the show is a lot more overt about it. Rather like the relationship between Renly and Loras or the castration of Theon (In the books both are merely hinted at, on the show it's in your face).
Yes, I'm glad that I've finished the first three books because I think the next two will have more stuff that differs from the series, or hasn't been caught up with yet (the Ironborn succession storyline, and the Dorne storyline, which I'm assuming is totally different from the series, but having not read it yet obviously can't say for sure.) I felt they stuck pretty close to the plot line for the first three books. Basically it seemed like they just simplified some story lines, meshed some characters, turned some of the inner monologues into dialogue so it could play on screen, and made some of the scenes a bit more action-packed so they would look better on TV, and maybe speed up some characters timelines so that they were more in sync, but the basic plot and characters were similar.
I haven't gotten to any of the Ironborn stuff much yet, I've only read the first chapter of the Prophet (I'm only 50 pages in at the moment) but haven't been introduced to the other characters.
I'm sure you're right and they have an outline of the series, but I just think it would be sad for the ending of the book to come out on the series before coming out as a book version. As a writer I also wouldn't really like the idea of the public seeing a story I created in another form, written by other writers, before they saw my work... but he's making millions of dollars and taking a long time to write (though understandably when you're dealing with an entire made up world and over thirty character POVs that all have to intersect in a 1000 pg+ book it's not an easy task) so maybe he doesn't really care.
Perhaps Jamie's arc is more broad in the books, the fact that you have his inner monologues maybe casts some darkness on the purity of his motives when in the series you just see him becoming a better person, but I really felt like the Hound was a totally different character and didn't have the multidimensional aspect that he has in the series in the books. He's already died in both so there's nothing more that's going to come up. There were a lot of scenes in the series where he bonded with Arya, telling her about how he got his scar, and scenes were it seemed like he had begun to care for her more and was becoming protective of her... with all her family dead there was no one for him to sell her to, and he was willing to fight to the death to stop Brienne from taking her (thought perhaps he just wanted to get into a fight, or thought someone else might pay, who knows.., that was what I liked about those scenes, his motives were never clear). I got none of that in the book. Maybe I really missed out on something, I got the hints of Renly and Loras relationship, but it seemed like the Hound just couldn't stand Arya and all she was something to sell for ransom, and there were no bonding moments between the two of them. Their banter was much more amusing on screen as well.
The Hound had a much closer relationship with Sansa in the books than he did on the show, which used Arya to show his "good" side instead. It is there in both mediums though.
Raziel
07-30-2015, 01:53 PM
I'm sure you're right and they have an outline of the series, but I just think it would be sad for the ending of the book to come out on the series before coming out as a book version. As a writer I also wouldn't really like the idea of the public seeing a story I created in another form, written by other writers, before they saw my work... but he's making millions of dollars and taking a long time to write (though understandably when you're dealing with an entire made up world and over thirty character POVs that all have to intersect in a 1000 pg+ book it's not an easy task) so maybe he doesn't really care.
It was bound to happen the moment he signed on to adapt the first book. The first season debuted as book five was coming out, he knew how long it takes him to write. *shrug*
He's already died in both so there's nothing more that's going to come up.
I never believe a literary character is dead until i have a lifeless body described to me. I can't get into my reasons because you have not read book 4.
It was bound to happen the moment he signed on to adapt the first book. The first season debuted as book five was coming out, he knew how long it takes him to write. *shrug*
Meh, the first three books came out in 96, 99 and 2000. He can write fast and well when he feels like it.
audrey_k
07-30-2015, 02:46 PM
Meh, the first three books came out in 96, 99 and 2000. He can write fast and well when he feels like it.
The first two books were shorter with fewer POV characters, I think they were probably easier to write. The length + the fact that he had more characters stories intertwining-- and some of the characters in the 4th book are brand new so he had to go through the process of developing them-- probably made them more time consuming. I imagine the guy probably spends the first year just building an outline.
Though I imagine he's slowed down a bit as well with all the work he's doing on the show and all the other writing projects that people are dying to attach him to. So partly his fault.
The Hound had a much closer relationship with Sansa in the books than he did on the show, which used Arya to show his "good" side instead. It is there in both mediums though.
Really? Cause I would argue their relationship was nastier in the books as well. When he tells Sansa how he was burned he ends it by telling her he will kill her if she says anything, and then scares the living daylight out out of her by grabbing her, making her kiss him, and sing him a song. Their alternation after the Blackwater was almost sweet in the show, when she realises that her fear of him is unfounded because he wouldn't hurt her.
emma383
07-30-2015, 02:48 PM
Stephen King/ 11/21/63..
The first two books were shorter with fewer POV characters, I think they were probably easier to write. The length + the fact that he had more characters stories intertwining-- and some of the characters in the 4th book are brand new so he had to go through the process of developing them-- probably made them more time consuming. I imagine the guy probably spends the first year just building an outline.
Though I imagine he's slowed down a bit as well with all the work he's doing on the show and all the other writing projects that people are dying to attach him to. So partly his fault.
This is true, he is also quite old which probably doesn't help.
Really? Cause I would argue their relationship was nastier in the books as well. When he tells Sansa how he was burned he ends it by telling her he will kill her if she says anything, and then scares the living daylight out out of her by grabbing her, making her kiss him, and sing him a song. Their alternation after the Blackwater was almost sweet in the show, when she realises that her fear of him is unfounded because he wouldn't hurt her.
I remembered him mellowing out and basically protecting her from Joffrey for the most part, like i said it's been a while and i could very well be wrong. I just never got the impression the Hound was just evil in the books.
R-209
08-02-2015, 09:55 AM
I don't like Robert Heinlein his books are ....weird. His books are creepy in a sexual way.
Having just finished "Stranger in a Strange Land," I see what you mean. There are certainly some interesting concepts, but I fail to "grok" how this is hailed as one of (some say THE) greatest science fiction masterpiece of all time. It may be partly that it is very much a product of the '60's, but it may also be that it is, as you say, creepy. Especially when the lead female character proclaims that "Nine times out of ten, if a girl gets raped it's partly her fault." That line was as conspicuous as a sledgehammer; I thought that there surely must be some subtext or irony I missed out on, but I reread the passage a few times and could not detect any. So what the hell? And then there's some pretty blatant homophobia.
I also didn't find the characters relatable, likable, or realistic. The extent of Mike's powers (who is 100% biologically human), and his ability to teach them to ordinary humans, is unbelievable even for science fiction.
There is an uncut version which is around one hundred pages longer; perhaps it fleshes out the story some.
One interesting note: I had no idea that Heinlein invented the word "grok" for this book.
Elektra Luxx
08-02-2015, 01:05 PM
^^^I read somewhere he and his wife were into the free love movement. He wrote stories where incest is okay, really graphic sex scenes between father and daughter, brother and sister orgy type stuff that's real creeper, perv stuff. I stopped reading it. I don't get it, I don't think his stories are that interesting even if you take away all the perv stuff.
slowpoke
08-02-2015, 03:06 PM
^^^I read somewhere he ane his wife were into free love movement. He writtten stories where incest is okay. Really graphic sex scenes between father and daughter, brother and sister orgy type stuff that's real creeper, prev stuff. I stopped reading it. I don't get it, I don't think his stories are that interesting even if you take away all the prev stuff.
"For Heinlein, personal liberation included sexual liberation, and free love was a major subject of his writing starting in 1939, with For Us, The Living. During his early period, Heinlein's writing for younger readers needed to take account of both editorial perceptions of sexuality in his novels, and potential perceptions among the buying public; as critic William H. Patterson has put it, his dilemma was "to sort out what was really objectionable from what was only excessive over-sensitivity to imaginary librarians".[79] By his middle period, sexual freedom and the elimination of sexual jealousy were a major theme of Stranger in a Strange Land (1961), in which the progressively minded but sexually conservative reporter, Ben Caxton, acts as a dramatic foil for the less parochial characters, Jubal Harshaw and Valentine Michael Smith (Mike). Another of the main characters, Jill, is homophobic.[80]
Gary Westfahl points out that "Heinlein is a problematic case for feminists; on the one hand, his works often feature strong female characters and vigorous statements that women are equal to or even superior to men; but these characters and statements often reflect hopelessly stereotypical attitudes about typical female attributes. It is disconcerting, for example, that in Expanded Universe Heinlein calls for a society where all lawyers and politicians are women, essentially on the grounds that they possess a mysterious feminine practicality that men cannot duplicate."[81] Also, in Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land, Jill, one of the main characters, says, "nine times out of ten, if a girl gets raped it's partly her fault".[80]
In books written as early as 1956, Heinlein dealt with incest and the sexual nature of children. Many of his books (including Time for the Stars, Glory Road, Time Enough for Love, and The Number of the Beast) dealt explicitly or implicitly with incest, sexual feelings and relations between adults and children, or both.[82] The treatment of these themes include the romantic relationship and eventual marriage (once the girl becomes an adult via time-travel) of a 30-year-old engineer and an 11-year-old girl in The Door into Summer or the more overt intra-familial incest in To Sail Beyond the Sunset and Farnham's Freehold. Peers such as L. Sprague de Camp and Damon Knight have commented critically on Heinlein's portrayal of incest and pedophilia in a lighthearted and even approving manner.[82]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein#Sexual_issues
R-209
08-04-2015, 09:59 AM
I have read "Monarch of the Glen" it's is a collection of short stories called "Fragile Things", but I can't remember how it goes. I think he's traveling in Europe or something. I'll have to find it again and re-read it.
Needed a palate cleanser after that last book, so I read "Monarch of the Glen." I really enjoyed it and was only disappointed that it was so short. It connects to "American Gods" more than I was expecting, giving more clues about Shadow that will likely be followed up on in AG2. Why haven't you written more of these novellas in the meantime, Neil Gaiman?
Also, I learned the word "susurrus" from this book.
Definitely give it a re-read!
audrey_k
08-05-2015, 11:58 AM
I love A Feast For Crows, even more than Storm of Swords. I take back my Jaime remarks; he does have an interesting character development in the books, it's just more spread out than it is in the series (which actually makes it more natural).
Seriously though Cersei is such a FUCKING BITCH in the books-- I mean she is no sweetheart on the show, but she is beyond evil in this book. Manipulative, evil, deranged, paranoid... A part of me felt bad for her when she had to make her walk in the show, but I can't wait to get to that part in the books. The only thing that would make me happier would be for there to be a Daenerys/Cersei scene where Daenerys tells her off, shows her what she really is, what it really means to be a queen, and then kills her.
And why why is Arrianne Martell not in the series? She became of my top 3 favourite female characters in one chapter. I don't understand feminists who hate on Game of Thrones... I feel like George R R Martin writes the best female characters ever, it's so obvious that the women are way stronger than the men in the book to me, I feel like he has a bunch of female superheroes who use different weapons.
Not having Arienne and skipping Jamie's adventures through the riverlands were two of my biggest beefs with the show. Not only is Arienne a great character, but not including her also makes Doran Martell a weaker character. And holy shit how can we not get Jamies "with a catapult" speech.
Raziel
08-05-2015, 08:12 PM
And why why is Arrianne Martell not in the series? She became of my top 3 favourite female characters in one chapter. I don't understand feminists who hate on Game of Thrones... I feel like George R R Martin writes the best female characters ever, it's so obvious that the women are way stronger than the men in the book to me, I feel like he has a bunch of female superheroes who use different weapons.
Now that the series has been extended to at least 8 seasons, i'd think Arianne Martell will pop up somewhere. The fan outcry at her omission rivaled Lady Stoneheart and Coldhands! It's one reason we are getting Asha/Yara, Euron and the Kingsmoot plotline.
(And i'm really happy anout getting Euron in the show, he's a great villain in the books)
NatalieCentro
08-06-2015, 01:50 AM
Rather like the relationship between Renly and Loras or the castration of Theon (In the books both are merely hinted at, on the show it's in your face).
UGH, that's why I quit watching the series in season one - couldn't get past the scene with Renly and Loras, and I guess I overlooked it in the book somehow because I saw no hints at all. I think it was cut in for better ratings and that disgusted me, although I'm all pro LGBT, it's the whole "we'll put this in to make more money" that is disgusting. And I'm very glad I didn't get to castration of Theon part... UGH2. He was tortured, made into sub-human, had his skin peeled - horrible, yes... but really - they had to have a castration to bring up the ratings, eh?
To be honest, I disagree that the book does a worse job on the characters. Maybe you came to the conclusion since you did series first and then the book? When I start reading before watching, the imagination works marvelously and usually does a much better job the the producers on TV, whereas if I do it the other way around the imagery just falls on what it's already seen and then a lot is missed out, that's why I try to never watch before reading.
The characters, sets, imagery were all so much better in my imagination I couldn't take the series any longer.
audrey_k
08-06-2015, 02:18 AM
I think whatever you do first-- read the book, or see the movie/tv show tends to be what you prefer, although I am preferring the books at this point. I think that some of the characters were more interesting in the show and some were more interesting in the book.
Unless there is more of the Hound (no spoilers please, I know his helm has been seen but haven't learned anything else yet) I preferred the TV show version of him, and the Tywin TV show version I preferred as well. But that's pretty much it. characters I preferred in the books-- Catelyn was so much more interesting, she is much fiercer and stronger in the books, her intense love for her family but her hatred of Jon Snow, a lot of that was missed in the series. Rob's evolution from being a boy to being a man from the war, but being unable to fully grow up, was largely missed in the series. Jon Snow's evolution from being a boy with a chip on his shoulder and thinking he was better than everyone to becoming a leader, his anger at his father for the betrayal of not being told who his mother was and what the Wall would really be like, is touched upon in the series but not to the level it goes to in the books. Theon's anger at his father, feeling like he doesn't belong anywhere, and resentment to the Starks is much more understandable in the books whereas in the show it was just like ok he's a dick. Arya is definitely more interesting in the books as well. And I'm finding Jaime more interesting as things go on and Sansa as well. Brienne; so much more fascinating in the books, she bored me to tears on the show. I'm farther on in the series than I am in the books though so that is probably always affecting my feelings on certain characters. I usually read books first as I agree it's better but didn't in this case.
Personally I picked up on the Renly/Loras thing, but I think they had to really drill it into the TV show since it needed to be super obvious and TV watchers are often slow for the Sparrow storyline to work in the 5th season. They definitively sex the show up a lot and I don't really like that aspect much, though my beef is more with the consensual sex scenes becoming rape scenes, but it's HBO and I guess it gets them ratings. The Theon scenes were my least favorite ones as well. It was just gratuitous violence, it served no purpose. We needed to understand why Theon changed? Cool. But an entire season of nothing but torture scenes? Unnecessary and boring.
I really hope that Arianne makes an appearance in the series, but isn't Trystane supposed to be the heir to Dorne in the show? Not sure how they'll work it. Marcella is also dead (and also less interesting in the show) so I'm not sure how they'd work that storyline (I'm at the part where Arianne has just been put in the tower so no spoilers please).
I'm very happy they're going to go into the Ironborn storyline as I love love Asha; though why her name was changed in the series I do not understand.
NatalieCentro
08-06-2015, 03:08 AM
Looks like a lot in common in our perception, and please don't think I was doing the "THE BOOKS ARE BETTER THAN TV SERIES"... which has become a meme I think by now, I suppose it came across as just that. Sorry...
I've associated Catelyn with my own mother as they are somewhat alike in looks as per the book, so seeing her different from the one I imagined was a big dissonance.
I confessed to not getting past season 1, so I probably won't have a good solid opinion on the series anyway... just... uhm... hatin' :)
Now that it's been 4 to 5 years till I got done with book 5... might even be worth taking up the series maybe? Just to refresh before book 6 is out?
Aaand I think GOT needs a separate thread.
audrey_k
08-06-2015, 09:22 AM
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Aaand I think GOT needs a separate thread.
I agree I feel like I'm derailing this thread! But l have no fellow GOT fans to converse with.
I love Catelyn Stark but it took me a while to warm to her in the books, just because she was so damn nasty to poor Jon Snow whom I love.
I would honestly watch the series after you read the book, just because the first two seasons and some of the third were very close to what was going on in the books, but after that it changes a LOT, so you might get confused if you haven't read them in a while?
Raziel
08-06-2015, 04:44 PM
Unless there is more of the Hound (no spoilers please, I know his helm has been seen but haven't learned anything else yet)
You may have already read the Hound's appearance in AFFC if you are on Chapter 40 (Arianne in the tower). Read chapter 31 again (It's a Brianne Chapter, it is suspected that the Novice Gravedigger is actually the hound, due to him being singled out twice by the author, his limp, and fitting the Hound's physical dimensions <---- Swipe that to see the theory).
I really hope that Arianne makes an appearance in the series, but isn't Trystane supposed to be the heir to Dorne in the show? Not sure how they'll work it.
That's one thing i dislike. Dorne not caring about the sex of the heir plays into Cersei's storyline in the books, not too sure why they dropped that.
Marcella is also dead (and also less interesting in the show) so I'm not sure how they'd work that storyline (I'm at the part where Arianne has just been put in the tower so no spoilers please).
Myrcella and Tommen are heavily implied to be doomed in the books as well. That may be a book spoiler the show handed us (her death).
I'm very happy they're going to go into the Ironborn storyline as I love love Asha; though why her name was changed in the series I do not understand.
"Asha" is too similar to "Osha," according to the showrunners.
Oh, and also, Michelle Fairley was supposedly spotted in Northern Ireland recently. She was either visiting (a long way to go for coffee) or we are finally getting Lady Stoneheart.
audrey_k
08-07-2015, 10:05 AM
^I'm guessing they felt like the female heir aspect would make the Dorne storyline too complicated. I'm loving both the Dorne storyline and Jaime's riverlands adventures but it definitely would have made things very complicated in season 5 with the amount of air time they had. Jaime's relationship with Cersei was very different in that season as well, he still seemed madly in love with her and her with him, it wouldn't have made sense that he wouldn't have ridden back to King's Landing to save her from the Sparrows if he was in the river lands because he would have heard about her imprisonment... Whereas he sounds pretty done with her right now in the books. Hopefully Arianne makes an appearance next season.
The other character I much prefer the TV version of is Margarey, she's me second favorite female character on the show, but in the books she's doesn't have the same wit and cunning that she has in the series.
All I've heard thus far is stories of someone pillaging, murdering, and raping in the Hound's helm but no one has actually seen his face. I kind of feel like it's not him because I don't feel it's in his nature but I'll soon find out as I imagine I'll finish the book this weekend. I'm going to be so sad when I finish these books, they make my long work commutes doable.
Raziel
08-07-2015, 11:34 AM
All I've heard thus far is stories of someone pillaging, murdering, and raping in the Hound's helm but no one has actually seen his face. I kind of feel like it's not him because I don't feel it's in his nature but I'll soon find out as I imagine I'll finish the book this weekend. I'm going to be so sad when I finish these books, they make my long work commutes doable.
Yeah, that's not the hound. One of the outlaws has his helm.
audrey_k
08-07-2015, 12:37 PM
^dude, spoilers!!
Starling
08-07-2015, 03:59 PM
I love the Discworld series and I'm so sad Terry Pratchett is gone.
Raziel
08-07-2015, 05:23 PM
^dude, spoilers!! ��
Sorry, i was under the impression you were past all that.
R-209
08-07-2015, 08:07 PM
Currently reading "Flowers for Algernon."
Raziel
08-07-2015, 09:50 PM
On topic: Currently reading The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths Vol. 1. (http://www.amazon.com/Jim-Hensons-Dark-Crystal-Creation/dp/1608867048/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1439009213&sr=8-16&keywords=creation+myths).
xStacey
08-09-2015, 09:32 AM
Just finished reading The Millionaire Next Door by Thomas J. Stanley, very enlightening.
NoRegrets
08-09-2015, 03:54 PM
Just finished reading The Millionaire Next Door by Thomas J. Stanley, very enlightening.
I recommend that book as well, it's very accurate. I just finished reading The Wealth and Poverty of Nations by David S. Landes.
R-209
08-09-2015, 07:17 PM
Currently reading "Flowers for Algernon."
Aw, jeez... :( Great book, but I'm gonna need something a little more upbeat now. Maybe I'll finally start in on that Van Gogh biography.
audrey_k
08-11-2015, 10:01 AM
Finished Feast for Crows over the weekend. Started on A Dance With Dragons yesterday. Have a feeling this one will take a while to finish.
Elektra Luxx
08-11-2015, 11:35 AM
I bought the audiobook Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke from Audible.
I've been listening to this audio book for the past several weeks and I'm about 3/4 of the way done. I listen to it mostly when I'm driving that why it's taking me so long. Plus it's like 32 hours long! But it's very interesting how the author is integrating Englands magical history with real history. I wasn't sure about this book at first, but it's turning out to be a great book.
R-209
08-12-2015, 05:39 PM
Anyone ever read Eckhart Tolle's books?
Elektra Luxx
08-13-2015, 10:12 PM
Anyone ever read Eckhart Tolle's books?
Nope! Recommendations?
Raziel
08-14-2015, 06:17 AM
Starting on The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths Volume 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Jim-Hensons-Dark-Crystal-Creation/dp/1936393808/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439558130&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Dark+Crystal%3A+Creation+Myths+Volume +2)
After that i'll probably reread the Star Wars: Legacy collected trades.
I'm on a Comic Book kick, currently.
Elektra Luxx
08-14-2015, 09:10 PM
Anyone ever read Eckhart Tolle's books?
Nope! Recommendations?
I read his Wikipedia page, some inner transformation bullshit!!! He seems like one of those persons that says a lot without saying anything, I'm not interested.
R-209
08-14-2015, 09:47 PM
I read his Wikipedia page, some inner transformation bullshit!!! He seems like one of those persons that says a lot without saying anything, I'm not interested.
Yeah, people kept saying I should read his books, so I picked them up when I saw them at the thrift store. Couldn't really get into them. That bit about his "life-changing epiphany" pissed me off a bit. You don't just "snap out" of suicidal depression literally overnight. That's a very dangerous line of thinking.
I did actually start the Van Gogh biography. It's about 1,000 pages so it won't be a quick read. It's much more interesting than I had thought. I'm just reading about his family history and early childhood; he hasn't even started painting yet.
ETA: Amazon has the first few chapters to read for free.
littlefox
08-15-2015, 01:02 PM
I just finished 'King Kong Theory' by Virginie Despentes today. It was excellent and I thoroughly recommend it!
Jay12
08-15-2015, 04:41 PM
I re-read "Lies and the Liars Who Told Them".
R-209
08-18-2015, 07:54 PM
TANGENT: Do you prefer "old-fashioned" books or a Kindle? "American Gods" was the first book I've read on a Kindle, and I sometimes found myself missing the ability to quickly flip back and forth through actual pages to refresh my memory. I also miss the feeling of turning physical pages and watching the unread dwindle as the story nears its end. But I like the ability to highlight passages and look up words. And of course, you can fit quite a few books on a Kindle, which is convenient for reference books.
Elektra Luxx
08-18-2015, 08:03 PM
TANGENT: Do you prefer "old-fashioned" books or a Kindle? "American Gods" was the first book I've read on a Kindle, and I sometimes found myself missing the ability to quickly flip back and forth through actual pages to refresh my memory. I also miss the feeling of turning physical pages and watching the unread dwindle as the story nears its end. But I like the ability to highlight passages and look up words. And of course, you can fit quite a few books on a Kindle, which is convenient for reference books.
I'm a tech person so I like Kindle type devices, but really I'm good either way.
xStacey
08-18-2015, 08:56 PM
TANGENT: Do you prefer "old-fashioned" books or a Kindle? "American Gods" was the first book I've read on a Kindle, and I sometimes found myself missing the ability to quickly flip back and forth through actual pages to refresh my memory. I also miss the feeling of turning physical pages and watching the unread dwindle as the story nears its end. But I like the ability to highlight passages and look up words. And of course, you can fit quite a few books on a Kindle, which is convenient for reference books.
When I first started using Kindle I wasn't used to it and missed holding a book, the scent of a new book and actually turning the pages... Now that I got more use of the Kindle app on my iPad, I find it a little difficult to read an old-fashioned book! The characters are so small, I have to go find a pencil when I really like a passage and want to underline it, cannot read in bed with the lights off... I much prefer ebooks now lol. I recently bought The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde and I wish I got the Kindle version instead of the trade paperback... :(
Elle:)
08-18-2015, 09:12 PM
The kite runner.Probably the saddest book I have ever read.
R-209
08-18-2015, 09:22 PM
I recently bought The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde and I wish I got the Kindle version instead of the trade paperback... :(
That's another advantage for the Kindle- many great classics are free to download. "Dorian Gray" is in my "to read" folder. ")
audrey_k
09-07-2015, 01:15 AM
Finished the last GOT novel this weekend. I loved the last book, not sure which I prefer, that or the 4th book. What a fucking cliffhanger to leave off on though.
After finishing all the books I definitely think they are superior to the TV series.
Can any of you GOT fans reccomend me a similar fantasy novel/series? I'm desperate to find something to read during my commute. I'm wishing I had slowed down a bit on the novels now.