View Full Version : Is it okay to go to strip club and watch the stage dances, but not buy lap dances?
yoda57us
06-08-2014, 09:12 PM
The bottom line here is that, like it or not, dancers work on spec. While I don't buy into the "I paid my cover I can do whatever I want" approach from the customer side I also don't feel obligated to tip girls that I don't care for or, worse, who are down right rude in their efforts of trolling the club and belligerently begging for tips or dances. If you sit at the stage you should tip. I understand how much it sucks to have a $70 shift after walking around in 7" heels all night but every single dancer posting here also knows that she may very well make $700 on her next shift.
I remember quite well the days when dancers got shift pay and kept their stage tips. No VIP, no private dances. The only other possible income was sitting with a guy at the bar who might tip you to hang out. Stage tipping was much better in those days and the money was actually pretty darn good. The transition into the VIP/LD era brought with it the end to shift pay and the dawn of the house fee and tip-out frenzy. The reality is however that, back when the clubs were booming and a dancer could make a grand on a good shift, no one cared about even a couple of hundred dollars worth of tip outs. We all know that kind of money is long gone but the flow of dancer income in the clubs has not changed in well over 20 years. Dancers pay the freight, in one way or another, for a lot of club expenses and that money comes off the top every day when they show up for work. Does it suck? Some days it does and some days you make a lot of money. That's the reality. Dancing simply isn't always stable reliable money for a lot of girls anymore. In the grand scheme of things the losers who sit at the stage and don't tip are a very small part of the problem. As I said earlier. Inside of the club most girls don't even acknowledge the existence of these guys.
kirakonstantin
06-08-2014, 10:00 PM
The best are the ones who sit at the stage and critique every little flaw a dancer has AND don't tip. I'd love to see them get up here and do something other than flop around like a fish. I like couples who come during the slower hours. They are usually actually there for the dancers and tip amazingly if they don't get LDs!
I personally love the girls who come in acting like they're the hottest thing ever, treat everyone like shit and... they're always just nasty. It bliws my mind, but... it's thankfully rare.
Couples that frequent SCs are cool. They know the game, they know the etiquette and they're always really friendly.
Omegaphallic
06-09-2014, 10:18 AM
I still find the idea of tipping $2 weird. Up here in Canada we have the toonie.
Everyone tips 5 dollars or more.
I mean she's not a slot machine.
audrey_k
06-09-2014, 11:57 AM
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If I pay cover, I've paid my way. If the dancers don't get any of it, that's between them and the club. Arguably the dancers should be paid out of the cover, like music acts are, but in the case of strippers, there's no way to tell which dancers the customers are coming to see. However, the arrangement is that dancers are allowed to use the club as a venue in which to trade as independent operators. Considering that even average strippers can make more in one night than they can make in a regular job in one week, I don't feel too bad for them.
There is a reason that we get paid so much to do this job. Part of that reason is that we are willing to take the risk of coming to a club, giving them money (I give my club $180 just to be able to walk in the door) and possibly going home with nothing. You know how much you're going to make very two weeks, I do not-- I could work 5 nights a week and be out almost a $1,000 if my club is dead or I just can't close a sale. We get paid so much to do this job because we work HARD physically and get absolutely no medical benefits or disability-- if I hurt myself on stage busting my ass for you, I am fucked and out of work for months. This is not a job you can play hurt at, I can't go to a strip club on crutches. We get paid so much for this job because we put up with a large number of men who are emotionally and physically abusive, who either do not understand the word "NO" or enjoy pushing our boundaries, or get off on putting us down. We get paid so much to do this job because we have to put up with a huge part of society labeling us as "whores" or "sluts." Do I get to sleep for 10 hours? Yes, I do, but I also work from 10pm-6am, so basically 4-5 days of my week consist of waking up, eating while I get ready for work, going to work, coming home, eating and watching one hour of TV, and going to sleep. Then I have to spend one day just resting because I am so exhausted from those 5 days, so I get one wonderful day a week to actually enjoy myself. There are a lot of reasons why strippers make so much money and it has nothing to do with this job being easy. Honestly, you seem to have no empathy for strippers whatsoever. /:O
I work just as hard to earn the money, so I don't automatically give it to someone else just for working hard. Do you buy something at every shop you walk into just because the staff are working hard? No, you spend your money on things you actually want. If they don't have anything you want, you don't buy. How hard the staff work and how much they are paid are nothing to do with how much of your own hard-earned money you should spend.
If you've given 30 lap dances that night, you don't need my money - you have already made in one night what I make in a week. I wish I got 10 hrs sleep a night. However exhausted you are, you are well compensated for it.
Well, "hot" is subjective and varies for individual guys. I see your point though about tips affecting how much a dancer will do on stage. Unfortunately, I don't sit close enough to the stage to tip during the show. However, I don't need a dancer to open her legs on stage to sell me a LD or be tipped.
I am not advocating getting dances from every dancer in the club, I am advocating TIPPING a dancer when you are sitting at the TIP RAIL enjoying her SHOW. Do I go into a store and buy everything just because they're working hard? No. But first of all, those people are being paid by the store to be there, so the situation is totally different. I don't go into a make up store, see a customer who really knows how to do a good cat-eye, and demand that she show me how to do it, because I know she's not being paid. And second, if I'm not intending to buy something, I don't go into a store like Sephora and start using all their make up products for free, demand that the sales people do my make up for me, order them around and demand that they get this products and that product, and take things out of their boxes and try them on, because that would be incredibly rude and disrespectful.
The only reason that dancers make money is because customers give it to them, and I'm wondering if you are unclear on this concept? If I've done 30 lap dances a night, I am emotionally and physically exhausted, I EARNED that money by working my ass off. But, I still have to go onstage, and if you're going to sit at the tip rail and watch me, I still deserve to be tipped for giving you a good show. If you don't find me hot or don't like my show, leave the tip rail. It's really, really simple.
Vyanka
06-09-2014, 01:00 PM
Omg, with that mentality of "I paid cover charge and no need to spend on the entertainers", please stay away from strip clubs. Do us the favor. Customers like that are part of shit nights.
Respect wtf we do and spend. If not, just gtfo. Waste of space.
A lot of that money we make, a big cut of that goes right back to the damn club too. We have to spend money to make money. This job may look like it's cake to outsiders, but they have absolutely no fucking idea.
You're on this site, lurking at everything I bet. So, you should have an idea. For Christ sakes, there is a thread on body business where one of the girls here got brutally attacked at her club by some fkn asshole customer. Causing her to miss out at work, & most importantly...putting her health at risk bc of some entitled asshole piece of shit, who felt entitled bc he spends. That is an example... https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?192746-Help!-Customer-bit-me
We deserve every fkn penny we get to deal with assholes, who forget we're human beings.
If you're not even supporting strippers, get out of SW as well.
whirlerz
06-09-2014, 01:11 PM
Hopper: If you dont sit at the tip rail, it takes the sting out of not tipping. If you do not sit at the tip rail, these comments are not about you.
Strippers don't care much for customers who show up with no intention of tipping or buying dances, but sit at the tip rail essentially without paying for it. If you're tipping, at the tip rail or at your table, these comments are not about you. If you're buying LDs, these comments are not about you.
If the shoe don't fit baby, that ain't your shoe.
Lol, 2nd time today you cracked me up!
Vackra
06-09-2014, 01:24 PM
Strip clubs are a luxury purchase, period. If you're so concerned about your spendings, and how hard you had to earn it, perhaps this luxury is not within your budget.
kirakonstantin
06-09-2014, 02:51 PM
Lol, 2nd time today you cracked me up!
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.
But, seriously. I get that custys paid the cover charge and bought a drink. The cover charge I paid to work was a lot higher and I'm not even there to enjoy myself. Other dancers cover the why we get paid so much aspect incredibly well , but... really, how hard is it to tip a few dancers a fucking dollar? $5 cover, $2 draft beer. Spend $3 tipping some dancers and you've had a night out, complete with dozens of naked boobies for $10. If thats too much money for you, seriously... titty bars are out of your price range.
oldster
06-09-2014, 06:09 PM
When someone says well if you are not at the stage, don't tip, I disagree, what this leads to in my observation is an empty stage and still no money. I have sat in a club with 20 people and watch the girl twirl the pole with no one tipping.I hate that. A freakin dollar, I mean really
People, we were tipping dollars when I went in in 1983, works out to less than 50 cents now.
First, no one is making you do anything, if you do not wish to tip, don't. whatever
It tip out of respect.
I do not consider the tiny amount of money I put on the stage much more than I do the change I put in the Dunkin Donuts cup because I hate change in my pocket. Shit, if the girl at Dunkin showed me.....nevermind..........
There is a strip club venture for any budget. My local club has no cover during the day and a small pitcher for like 10 bucks. If you expect to see tits for less than 20 bucks you are living in the wrong century. Spot the girls a ten dude.................
I cannot remember purposely stiffing a waitress, but if I did the service was epically bad, why stiff a dancer? SHe is naked up there, do you want to be naked up there? A dollar, really.
I guess I live a charmed life because it has been several years since I have seen a dancer that really didn't belong on stage.
Damn, its a dollar
Odette
06-09-2014, 09:10 PM
Gonna share a little anecdote:
There's this dude who comes in EVERY saturday afternoon, sits at either the stage or a table near the stage, nurses one or two beers, and takes NO ONE for dances, EVER. He doesn't buy girls drinks and he doesn't tip. He is literally a fucking creepy ass waste of space in our club and all the girls hate him.
He had the audacity to grab my hand and engage me while I was walking by his table a couple weeks ago, touching me while doing so, and when I ask if he would like to go for a dance I get the usual "maybe later", which for this guy means "no", don't know why he can't just say it, everyone knows he's full of shit anyways. Anyway, that pissed me off a lot because there was only one other free customer whom I was on my way too, and because of this asshole stopping me and wasting my time, another girl got to the free customer before me, and got his money. So this past week I see him in there again, and this time I see he has a $20 bill sitting there, and he already has his beer. It was a very slow day and I was in a terrible mood, from being in a dead club for 3 hours, with only $30 in my wallet after fees, so I decided to just let him know what I thought, incase he was just that dumb to not understand how strip clubs work. I crawled over to him (he was sitting at stage that day) and sweetly said "is any of that for me babe? I know how you like to come take a looksie every saturday afternoon." He replies some bullshit about how he's just drinking his beer. So I said "Fine, then, no boobies for you I guess!" And walked off to the other side of the stage where I did the rest of my set. Didn't even take my bra off. If you ever see girls that aren't getting naked on stage it's probably because they're fucking sick and tired of these freeloaders...
I dream about one day farting in this guy's face. Seriously. That's all you get for free in a strip club :p
simone87
06-09-2014, 09:19 PM
I dream about one day farting in this guy's face. Seriously. That's all you get for free in a strip club :p
lmao!! you should do it..make sure you eat a whole bunch of cabbage, beer, & cheese first too :)
ushar85
06-09-2014, 09:37 PM
Gonna share a little anecdote:
There's this dude who comes in EVERY saturday afternoon, sits at either the stage or a table near the stage, nurses one or two beers, and takes NO ONE for dances, EVER. He doesn't buy girls drinks and he doesn't tip. He is literally a fucking creepy ass waste of space in our club and all the girls hate him.
He had the audacity to grab my hand and engage me while I was walking by his table a couple weeks ago, touching me while doing so, and when I ask if he would like to go for a dance I get the usual "maybe later", which for this guy means "no", don't know why he can't just say it, everyone knows he's full of shit anyways. Anyway, that pissed me off a lot because there was only one other free customer whom I was on my way too, and because of this asshole stopping me and wasting my time, another girl got to the free customer before me, and got his money.
Man, that sucks. For me, the purpose of going to a strip club is to get lap dances, not really to watch the stage show. So I never tip the girls on stage. I use the show as a way of evaluating my interest in the girl. But if this guy is only coming to watch the stage shows, he should at least be tipping something!
kirakonstantin
06-09-2014, 09:47 PM
lmao!! you should do it..make sure you eat a whole bunch of cabbage, beer, & cheese first too :)
The best recipe for that is Hormel chili with beans, topped with Italian sausage and two fried eggs, washed down with Guinness. Don't ask how I know this, but involves my best friend and college roommates.
Odette
06-09-2014, 10:55 PM
We don't usually have stage tipping in my part of the world, but I think it is totally alright for customers to be in the club if they are buying something from one of the dancers. (i.e. regulars who sit there and watch the stage while they are waiting for their favourite) Even guys who come in and just watch but will offer to buy a girl a drink to keep him company for a bit is fine. Because it leaves an opening for the girl to offer a table dance, a lapdance, or a tip in lieu of a drink for time if she prefers instead. Personally I take the drink, and go for the "just one dance hustle" after a good 10 minutes of flirting because the majority of the guys who come into my club realistically can afford at least that, and it works about 50% of the time. When the club is busy I will turn down offers for only drinks because there are better prospects. The point is that being clear and concise about your intentions to not spend money on dances, but offering a drink or tip for company is perfectly acceptable strip club ettiquette in my opinion. It gives the girl the option to either move on or accept, but she knows what she is accepting up front.
MizzMonica
06-09-2014, 11:09 PM
If you're at the stage you better be tipping per song. If you're just out and about at a table you better be drinking or you're look awkard. But plenty of people do sit at the table and just admire the dancers. The club isn't going to do anything because they make a huge profit off beers and liquor so they are still making their money. It's easier to get away with that as a custy if the club is busy. You don't want to be in a club that has 5 people in it and not tipping.
Djoser
06-10-2014, 04:53 AM
Ha I thought about this thread last night at work. Almost had to go do a 'Tipping Demonstration' to shame some non-tippers at the rail, but they came around before I did it. Plus I don't do that nearly as much as I used to since more & more dancers in recent years do not get why I am tipping them & that will fuck with my money.
It was a bachelor party, I think they were drunk as fuck and several had spent their available ones but were too fucked up to move, or didn't want to leave the group at the rail.
Which reminds me of going to stripclubs way back before I was a DJ, with a wealthy friend who always wanted to sit at the tiprail, which I didn't like even back then. It did not add to the experience & was always a little annoying. Now I simply will not sit there, they can sit wherever they like if I came with them, I won't do it & will send other dancers to tip instead.
The one time I made an exception, in something like ten years or so, was when I took a female friend who had never tipped or gotten a lapdance & she wanted me to join her at the rail for the tipping part. Then I bought her a dance which she fucking loved he he.
Anyway sorry to digress, but yeah much as I want guys to line the rail when I work I still won't do it myself.
bem401
06-10-2014, 11:12 AM
All the girls care about is getting the guys to tip. All the club wants is to sell the guys drinks. All the guys want is to (at the minimum) look at topless women. Everybody is there for their own personal reasons. That being said, I think it would be rude for any guy to sit there and take in the stage show without tipping. I did very little tipping at the stage (paid the stage as clost to zero attention as possible) and almost never sat at the rail when I was a patron. A guy watching the show without tipping is like a dancer wanting a tip for no reason. It is just poor etiquette.. I always found it awkward to visit the stage because on the rare occasions I went there, it was to visit with a particular girl, not whomever approached me.
audrey_k
06-10-2014, 12:05 PM
Ha I thought about this thread last night at work. Almost had to go do a 'Tipping Demonstration' to shame some non-tippers at the rail, but they came around before I did it. Plus I don't do that nearly as much as I used to since more & more dancers in recent years do not get why I am tipping them & that will fuck with my money.
It was a bachelor party, I think they were drunk as fuck and several had spent their available ones but were too fucked up to move, or didn't want to leave the group at the rail.
Which reminds me of going to stripclubs way back before I was a DJ, with a wealthy friend who always wanted to sit at the tiprail, which I didn't like even back then. It did not add to the experience & was always a little annoying. Now I simply will not sit there, they can sit wherever they like if I came with them, I won't do it & will send other dancers to tip instead.
The one time I made an exception, in something like ten years or so, was when I took a female friend who had never tipped or gotten a lapdance & she wanted me to join her at the rail for the tipping part. Then I bought her a dance which she fucking loved he he.
Anyway sorry to digress, but yeah much as I want guys to line the rail when I work I still won't do it myself.
Can you please come to my club and DJ and call out cheap bastards who won't tip? :-*
Djoser
06-10-2014, 07:44 PM
^^^I would love to!
I have to be a little more careful at my present club, but at the last one when they got to be too much I would say 'Guys if you like what you see, don't be shy...get on up there & tip that girl! Unless you're gay, in which case...just keep sitting there...'
Which isn't really fair to gay guys, they actually tip better than the straights in Key West & we like it when they come in. It's just a little stripclub joke to shame the non-tippers. But deemed inappropriate at this club. Who am I to argue with that?
A guy watching the show without tipping is like a dancer wanting a tip for no reason. It is just poor etiquette...
Agreed on that!
minnow
06-11-2014, 03:08 PM
The best recipe for that is Hormel chili with beans, topped with Italian sausage and two fried eggs, washed down with Guinness. Don't ask how I know this, but involves my best friend and college roommates.
Now, don't forget to put mustard on top of this concoction ! Mustard gas is classified under chemical warfare for a reason.:D
To answer OP- of course. You've paid cover charge, bought drinks, and are otherwise spending money. Not everyone going into restaurant is going to spring for a filet mignon and lobster dinner plus a bottle of the finest wine- soup and salad patrons welcome too.
It seems that a prior poster who opined that his spending "obligation" in the club ended the moment he paid cover and bought his first drink opened a can of worms. Some posters (including dancers) likens that to not everyone walking into a clothing store buying clothes, or a car showroom not buying a car as part of the game, and a cost of doing business. Yet I can see that dancers take it personally since they are selling themselves. To those who say don't take it personally, I'll ask them how they'd like another patron staring at them during a lapdance or VIP ? I know that I don't- that would be effectively stealing the lapdance/VIP that you paid for.
As for DJ's hurling insults at non or slow tippers, I say consider these non-stripping customer analogies: How long do you think a car dealership would stay in business if a salesman boomed over the loudspeaker- "OK, you over there drooling over the Corvette on the showroom- if you don't buy it, you're a homo.".
Or, the clothing store salesperson to the obese customer: "Why do you have to try all these clothes on- if you don't trust the size, you're just a fat piig."
MarvelGirl
06-11-2014, 03:41 PM
Some posters (including dancers) likens that to not everyone walking into a clothing store buying clothes, or a car showroom not buying a car as part of the game, and a cost of doing business. Yet I can see that dancers take it personally since they are selling themselves. To those who say don't take it personally, I'll ask them how they'd like another patron staring at them during a lapdance or VIP ? I know that I don't- that would be effectively stealing the lapdance/VIP that you paid for.
Well, since you asked nicely I'll answer. No, I still don't consider it stealing. I genuinely don't give two fucks about a customer if he isn't paying me. I pay him zero attention, which is how it should be in my opinion. Plus, a lapdance or VIP isn't just about seeing me naked. It's about the personal attention.
Oh, and if a customer is more concerned with another customer than with me during a lap dance or VIP.. well, I guess I've failed as a stripper. That would be time for me to find a new job.
It's funny, I guess, for people to talk about insulting and farting on people for not spending but why give them that attention? It's childish and accomplishes nothing. Just ignore them. People who come into a strip club and don't tip should expect to be ignored, as I said in my original post on this thread. There's no need to treat them like criminals or waste energy on them. Just ignore them. If everybody did that, a lot of douchebags would stop coming to the clubs altogether.
Kellydancer
06-11-2014, 03:50 PM
Yep, the best is to ignore them completely. I have worked in clubs (as I'm sure everyone has)with the guys who don't tip anyone and they aren't worth the time. The only exception would be the idiots at one club that would watch the private dances and actually sit near the room. I have complained about those jackasses and have told off the guys not tipping on stage but the other guys I ignored.
minnow
06-11-2014, 04:33 PM
Well, since you asked nicely I'll answer.
MG- I wouldn't dream of asking any other way. 8) My LD/VIP analogy was mainly slanted towards the customer pov. Point being that if a dancer shouldn't be bothered (at least somewhat) by stageside freeloaders gawking at her show, then those same customers shouldn't be bothered by another customer staring at the LD/VIP that they just bought with their hard earned $$. If you spend any time reading customer review sites, one common gripe expressed by customers is the lack of privacy in some LD areas. Now, you as a dancer may not mind others staring at the dance you're doing, but the guy (gal for lopaw) who paid for dance may feel differently. Sorry, I digress.
My initial comments to a farting poster were made in jest. Yes, I(we) know that is juvenille, but how many of us completely grow up ?
Kellydancer
06-11-2014, 10:38 PM
Minnow, we had one of those at a club I worked at. This was a no contact bikini/topless (depending on the time of year such as whether it was close to election)club that had an open private dance area. This one customer would come in and literally sit for hours right outside the dance area and watch. Wouldn't buy dances, or tip or anything. Eventually the manager caught on and told him he couldn't sit there. The club also got a curtain so the customers in the stage area couldn't see in the area. One of the clubs I danced at had this really cool idea where they took the former conference area of a restaurant (including the conference table)and we danced on top of the table. That way only those who bought dances saw the action.
lokikola
06-11-2014, 10:55 PM
I don't think its okay. I think if you spend less than what we have to pay (house and tipping, makeup, hair) you're wrong. I wish there was a ticket system where you have to buy two dances at the door.
Also, buying a bottle or alcohol or tipping the waitresses doesn't count. I'm talking about money spent on dancers.
kirakonstantin
06-11-2014, 11:01 PM
I don't think its okay. I think if you spend less than what we have to pay (house and tipping, makeup, hair) you're wrong. I wish there was a ticket system where you have to buy two dances at the door.
Also, buying a bottle or alcohol or tipping the waitresses doesn't count. I'm talking about money spent on dancers.
At some clubs, this would make sense, as it would mean a custy spending $30-50. The clubs I worked in up north had a $130-180 stage fee, even before tipout and VIP fees. I wouldn't expect every custy to blow $200 on every trip to the club.
I would also appreciate a 2 dance minimum and I doubt that most dancers would take issue with it.
lokikola
06-11-2014, 11:04 PM
I work just as hard to earn the money, so I don't automatically give it to someone else just for working hard. Do you buy something at every shop you walk into just because the staff are working hard? No, you spend your money on things you actually want. If they don't have anything you want, you don't buy. How hard the staff work and how much they are paid are nothing to do with how much of your own hard-earned money you should spend.
I don't go to a fucking bar if I don't want to and I don't go there to drink water. Thats what the fuck you're doing.
You wanna go to a strip club? Spend the money to be there. You can't go into a store and loiter around without buying shit. Again, thats you.
If I go to a store and don't want anything I leave.
If you go into a strip club, well we sell dances. If you don't want any, leave.
Clear enough?
lokikola
06-11-2014, 11:08 PM
At some clubs, this would make sense, as it would mean a custy spending $30-50. The clubs I worked in up north had a $130-180 stage fee, even before tipout and VIP fees. I wouldn't expect every custy to blow $200 on every trip to the club.
I would also appreciate a 2 dance minimum and I doubt that most dancers would take issue with it.
The only reason I see it the way I do is because I don't think of a strip club as a hang out spot or Dollar General. Its a luxury and its not a bar to order three dollar beers. You should expect to spend 7+ dollars on a beer, 12+ on an alcoholic mixed drink, 200+ on a bottle, and…. whats that other thing? Oh, yes, THE STRIPPERS. Because, ya know, its a strip club.
If you're broke as hell save your rent money, buy a 12 pack at your local grocery store and go look up pole dancing instructional videos for free on your Dell.
kirakonstantin
06-11-2014, 11:45 PM
The only reason I see it the way I do is because I don't think of a strip club as a hang out spot or Dollar General. Its a luxury and its not a bar to order three dollar beers. You should expect to spend 7+ dollars on a beer, 12+ on an alcoholic mixed drink, 200+ on a bottle, and…. whats that other thing? Oh, yes, THE STRIPPERS. Because, ya know, its a strip club.
If you're broke as hell save your rent money, buy a 12 pack at your local grocery store and go look up pole dancing instructional videos for free on your Dell.
I don't see clubs that way either, but if we ran out all of the custys who weren't going to spend $100 or more, everyone would make a lot less money.
Hopper
06-12-2014, 12:52 AM
There is a reason that we get paid so much to do this job. Part of that reason is that we are willing to take the risk of coming to a club, giving them money (I give my club $180 just to be able to walk in the door) and possibly going home with nothing.
The reason you get paid is that I like your body, your dancing, your smile, personality, whatever. That's the whole reason, there isn't any other. If I don't like you, I don't pay you. I pay another dancer who I do like instead. You get paid a lot of money (as you said yourself) whether or not I or any other given customer pays you. If you didn't, it wouldn't be my fault. In that case, you would just have to stop stripping.
You know how much you're going to make very two weeks, I do not-- I could work 5 nights a week and be out almost a $1,000 if my club is dead or I just can't close a sale.
Maybe some weeks but you wouldn't be stripping if you were out $1000 every week. It must average to a lot more than the regular minimum wage for you to bother doing it at all.
We get paid so much to do this job because we work HARD physically and get absolutely no medical benefits or disability-- if I hurt myself on stage busting my ass for you, I am fucked and out of work for months. This is not a job you can play hurt at, I can't go to a strip club on crutches.
With what you do make, and I'm assuming it has to be a lot for you to even choose stripping over a regular sales job, you should be able to afford insurance. Correct me if I'm wrong. If not, then why would you do it?
We get paid so much for this job because we put up with a large number of men who are emotionally and physically abusive, who either do not understand the word "NO" or enjoy pushing our boundaries, or get off on putting us down.
You've got it the wrong way around. You put up with that abuse because the pay is worth it. In any case, you are not paid to put up with abuse, that's not your job. Maybe you deserve more pay because of what you put up with - and you say yourself right here that you do get paid a lot - but it's not what customers pay you for. Many abusive customers are probably those who pay you the least.
We get paid so much to do this job because we have to put up with a huge part of society labeling us as "whores" or "sluts."
I think most people know that strippers are not the same as prostitutes and that neither are they easy to pick up. They may disagree with your morality as far as stripping, but they are entitled to that stance. Anyway, most strippers can laugh at those people while they are raking in the money. Anyway, it's not as if everyone outside your club knows that you personally strip and think you are a slut or a whore.
Do I get to sleep for 10 hours? Yes, I do, but I also work from 10pm-6am, so basically 4-5 days of my week consist of waking up, eating while I get ready for work, going to work, coming home, eating and watching one hour of TV, and going to sleep. Then I have to spend one day just resting because I am so exhausted from those 5 days, so I get one wonderful day a week to actually enjoy myself.
Many people on salaries or even regular wages work six days and ten hours per day. Many small business owners work those hours or even longer, often for less money. Most people with regular jobs get paid less than strippers for the same amount of work and number of hours, unless it is a very high-risk job.
There are a lot of reasons why strippers make so much money and it has nothing to do with this job being easy. Honestly, you seem to have no empathy for strippers whatsoever. /:O
Not true. In clubs I've been to, even though I know they make an absolute killing, I recognize what they put up with from some of the slobs and cheapskates who make their job difficult and unpleasant. That is why I like to cut them a break with tips, buying them drinks and buying dances (which is what I go there to do anyway) and also being careful not to waste their time or being a jerk.
However, most strippers I see don't have it as hard as you do. They don't all work six nights a week or do ten-hour shifts. They don't all do intensive work-outs on stage or perform hazardous dance moves. Most customers in our clubs don't push boundaries or abuse dancers (I'd frequently see them leaving the club without walking if that were not the case). And they still (so they tell me) manage to make $1000 a night without really trying.
I am not advocating getting dances from every dancer in the club, I am advocating TIPPING a dancer when you are sitting at the TIP RAIL enjoying her SHOW.
I don't sit that close to the stage but I do tip dancers for shows if I get an opportunity later on - if I do enjoy her show.
Do I go into a store and buy everything just because they're working hard? No. But first of all, those people are being paid by the store to be there, so the situation is totally different.
Not different at all. If no customers were buying from that store, there would be no store, and those people would not be paid, and therefore would not be working. Same in your club: You get paid by customers who do like you. If I don't like you, I don't pay you. If nobody likes you, you stop stripping.
I don't go into a make up store, see a customer who really knows how to do a good cat-eye, and demand that she show me how to do it, because I know she's not being paid.
What? I don't talk to other customers in clubs.
And second, if I'm not intending to buy something, I don't go into a store like Sephora and start using all their make up products for free, demand that the sales people do my make up for me, order them around and demand that they get this products and that product, and take things out of their boxes and try them on, because that would be incredibly rude and disrespectful.
I don't watch dancers on stage if I don't like them, except long enough to decide, and I don't tell dancers to get on stage or how to dance. To use your analogy: I'd take a look at all the different cosmetics products, ask the sales staff for advice, because that is what they are there for, try a few to test them, and if if any of them suited me, I'd buy them. I'd do all of this with the intention of possibly buying something. I can't buy anything if nobody gives me any information about it and if I don't test it. I wouldn't use it all, I'd just use the test samples. So, that is no different to me watching girls on stage to check them out, watching theones I like for their whole set, tipping the ones I like and buying LDs from the ones I like. I'm not using anything without paying.
The only reason that dancers make money is because customers give it to them, and I'm wondering if you are unclear on this concept?
Customers give dancers money if they like them. Are you clear about that concept? That's the whole idea of a stripper, isn't it? You get paid for being hot, assuming a given customer thinks you are hot?
If I've done 30 lap dances a night, I am emotionally and physically exhausted, I EARNED that money by working my ass off. But, I still have to go onstage, and if you're going to sit at the tip rail and watch me, I still deserve to be tipped for giving you a good show. If you don't find me hot or don't like my show, leave the tip rail. It's really, really simple.
It's true that you earn money by working. But you are not paid for working, you are paid for the results. Anyone who works hard yet is unable to produce whatever it is his employer or customer needs or wants will not be paid. That's the free market. Producers make things other people want or they don't sell anything.
Omg, with that mentality of "I paid cover charge and no need to spend on the entertainers", please stay away from strip clubs. Do us the favor. Customers like that are part of shit nights.
I said I don't have to pay every dancer, not that I don't pay any of the dancers. I go to clubs for LDs, so I spend at least that much.
Respect wtf we do and spend. If not, just gtfo. Waste of space.
I respect what you do but I pay for what I get. BTW not all dancers respect me paying them by actually giving me what I paid for. Maybe they think I'm paying them to be abused by other customers?
A lot of that money we make, a big cut of that goes right back to the damn club too. We have to spend money to make money. This job may look like it's cake to outsiders, but they have absolutely no fucking idea.
Right but you also get to keep a lot of money don't you? That's the whole reason you strip instead of flipping burgers or selling make-up?
You're on this site, lurking at everything I bet. So, you should have an idea. For Christ sakes, there is a thread on body business where one of the girls here got brutally attacked at her club by some fkn asshole customer. Causing her to miss out at work, & most importantly...putting her health at risk bc of some entitled asshole piece of shit, who felt entitled bc he spends. That is an example... https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?192746-Help!-Customer-bit-me
We deserve every fkn penny we get to deal with assholes, who forget we're human beings.[/quote]
Fine but if the money's not worth it, do something else. However, being attacked by customers is a risk in any type of drinking and entertainment venue. It's a setting in which many people act like assholes and one which attracts full-time assholes. It's not restricted to SCs.
Also, you don't get paid to risk health hazards, you get paid because you are hot.
If you're not even supporting strippers, get out of SW as well.
I don't go to SCs to support strippers. I go to SCs to see hot naked girls and I pay for it. That's the only support you get from me. I don't owe you anything else.
Strip clubs are a luxury purchase, period. If you're so concerned about your spendings, and how hard you had to earn it, perhaps this luxury is not within your budget.
It's only a luxury if I enjoy it. I don't pay for luxuries I don't enjoy. I pay enough to the dancers I do like.
But, seriously. I get that custys paid the cover charge and bought a drink. The cover charge I paid to work was a lot higher and I'm not even there to enjoy myself. Other dancers cover the why we get paid so much aspect incredibly well , but... really, how hard is it to tip a few dancers a fucking dollar? $5 cover, $2 draft beer. Spend $3 tipping some dancers and you've had a night out, complete with dozens of naked boobies for $10. If thats too much money for you, seriously... titty bars are out of your price range.
I tip more than a few dancers and each more than a dollar.
People who come into a strip club and don't tip should expect to be ignored, as I said in my original post on this thread. There's no need to treat them like criminals or waste energy on them. Just ignore them. If everybody did that, a lot of douchebags would stop coming to the clubs altogether.
I don't tip during stage dances, because I don't sit near the stage. I do tip later if I have the opportunity, say if the dancer approaches me or I buy an LD from her, I buy drinks for dancers I like who chat to me and as I said I buy LDs. So if you avoid me because I don't tip you on stage I won't spend money on you, you are missing out. It doesn't mean I'm a douche.
Hopper
06-12-2014, 01:05 AM
I don't think its okay. I think if you spend less than what we have to pay (house and tipping, makeup, hair) you're wrong. I wish there was a ticket system where you have to buy two dances at the door.
Also, buying a bottle or alcohol or tipping the waitresses doesn't count. I'm talking about money spent on dancers.
Often I don't like any of the girls in a club I'm at enough to buy an LD there, or maybe only one dancer in the club.
I don't go to a fucking bar if I don't want to and I don't go there to drink water. Thats what the fuck you're doing.
You wanna go to a strip club? Spend the money to be there. You can't go into a store and loiter around without buying shit. Again, thats you.
If I go to a store and don't want anything I leave.
If you go into a strip club, well we sell dances. If you don't want any, leave.
Clear enough?
I pay about an hours wages just to enter the club, so I'm not loitering there. I also buy drinks. And like I said all along, if you wouldn't mind taking the time to read all of my in this thread comments before losing your head at me in it, I do tip dancers, buy LDs, buy drinks, buy drinks for dancers - if I like the dancers. If there are no dancers I like there, I don't spend. That's not loitering, that's having my time wasted and paying cover for nothing.
The only reason I see it the way I do is because I don't think of a strip club as a hang out spot or Dollar General. Its a luxury and its not a bar to order three dollar beers. You should expect to spend 7+ dollars on a beer, 12+ on an alcoholic mixed drink, 200+ on a bottle, and…. whats that other thing? Oh, yes, THE STRIPPERS. Because, ya know, its a strip club.
If you're broke as hell save your rent money, buy a 12 pack at your local grocery store and go look up pole dancing instructional videos for free on your Dell.
Not all customers are cheap. You shouldn't have to force customers to pay, they should just want to pay.
kirakonstantin
06-12-2014, 01:06 AM
Hopper, again, this thread isn't about you. You buy LDs and you tip. You dont sit at the tiprail. This thread is about custys who DO NOT buy LDs or tip and sit at the tiprail.
This ain't your shoe, but you keep trying to cram your foot in it.
Hopper
06-12-2014, 01:08 AM
Hopper, again, this thread isn't about you. You buy LDs and you tip. You dont sit at the tiprailThis thread is about custys who DO NOT buy LDs or tip and sit at the tiprail.
This ain't your shoe, but you keep trying to cram your foot in it.
I'm responding to the dancers here who think I don't spend, or think I should spend money on dancers I don't even like as well as the ones I do.
Djoser
06-12-2014, 01:12 AM
"OK, you over there drooling over the Corvette on the showroom- if you don't buy it, you're a homo.".
:rotfl:
Ha ha that must be in reference to my post above but I still think it's funny. If you can't laugh at yourself you aren't much of a man, in my book.
I usually avoid scatlogical humor but I thought the farting on non tippers at the rail was a good joke.
As stressful as this business is, we need all the humor we can get sometimes.
Truthfully I am pretty good about not insulting the customers, it kind defeats the purpose of being a DJ & the more money the girls make the more I make as well. I know guys that will rip the balls off some customers, but usually the guys are acting up somehow first.
yoda57us
06-12-2014, 01:17 AM
I think the OP has gotten an answer to his question and then some.
Thank you all for your participation...