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Kellydancer
07-23-2014, 10:41 PM
Thanks, time will tell. Luckily he's already a friend and he is very anti sleeping around (he mentions it a lot)so I'll see. I think he's first generation American because he and his mother speak English but also Spanish.

Aniela
07-23-2014, 11:06 PM
I think a guy's upbringing more than his nationality is much more of the determining factor in how much he will respect women.

My experiences w/ the guys I have dated: #1 American hatched & raised (yes, I said 'hatched' for a reason) & tried to sexually assault me. Also had no qualms abt getting it on w/ a girl two yrs younger than us since I was, y'know, all prudish & whatnot -- which now that I think of it may have had him straddling the line of statutory rape. She & I found out abt each other completely by accident, but that's another story.

#2 born in Italy, came to US at age 16. Good mother, but mainly raised by his POS cheating father in the old country. Literally did everything except hit me, & let's just say being hit would have been preferable to the other shit he pulled.

#3 Uzbek. Conservative Muslim. Also arrived in the US around age 16. Best friend raped me, his other best friend beat the tar out of his pregnant wife(& sm how decided that sm interaction w/ me justified this), & his response to all of these was, 'You/She/They(females) deserved it.' However, one of his other friends (also Uzbek) put a major hurting on the two from their group who attacked me one night as I was leaving work(retail) so there's your proof that at least sm of them are not bad ppl.

#4(my current) Born in Peru, raised in the US, Best. Guy. Ever. Best kind of guy, that is. Honestly Idk a lot abt his family, as I have only met his mother & two of his cousins. A lot of conflict w/ his father growing up(what first-born son doesn't), but altho he says his father has mellowed out in his old age, sm times I wonder if his dad was a model for him of how NOT to treat ppl.

#5 American-born, Iranian/Russian descent. Socially-conservative family, in that mental illness was smtg that wasn't talked abt in their family, & thus poorly dealt w/, kind of a culture of 'ignore the problem hoping it will go away.' This 'ignoring problems' upbringing seeped into his handling of his relationship w/ me, which is to say, rather than acknowledge whatever the problem was & look for a solution, he broke up w/ me over the phone & that was pretty much that as far as he was concerned.


#1 was a friend (b4 the attempted assault) that I basically strung along, thinking he would shortly lose interest & let me off the hook. I nvr liked him NEARLY enough to sleep w/ him, but I learnt from the mistake of leading him on & have not repeated it. When I broke off the relationship after the attempted assault, he went a bit psycho -- stalking, damaging my locker & books, even going so far as to ask why I thought he was my enemy. His own cousins said when they found out, 'Yeah, Sonny's not all there.' They were actually the ones who encouraged me to give him a chance!

Apart from him & #5 (we were friends for abt 6 months prior to dating), looking back I have always slept w/ guys fairly shortly after starting to date them; w/ in the first month of dating, I guess. I did so when it felt right. Looking back on how these relationships unfolded, I don't think it would have made a sodding lick of difference if I had waited w/ any of them. #2 & #3 wouldn't be any less hedonistic, misogynistic, or violent, & #4/Current cared/still cares enough abt me to treat me w/ the respect I deserve as a fellow human being.

A guy's behaviour following sex, regardless of when it happens, I think it is based on his character rather than his feelings for the woman. If he is a very selfish, entitled personality -- yeah, he may 'like' you, but he likes you in the way that a child likes a toy but doesn't really care abt it. To a guy like that, the woman is a means to his achieving satisfaction; no amt of waiting will change that.

Vackra
07-24-2014, 12:15 AM
Yeah the worst guys I dealt with were foreign men. I wonder if European men are better. I'm supposed to go out with a male friend who is Mexican/Italian (I think his parents or grandparents at least were immigrants, his mom is Mexican and Italian his dad was just Mexican I think)and curious to see how he does. I know he is very conservative when it comes to sex.

I've had lots of success with Scandinavian and Eastern European men. 100% batting average with the manners and way they treat women. I've dated a lot from those areas (even married one) and the way they treat girls can't be beat.

The_Ecdysiast
07-25-2014, 03:40 AM
I don't have a rule regarding the number of dates. However long it takes me to vet an individual and get a feel for him and his intentions is how long I wait; and a lot of men easily weed themselves out, and now that I actually listen to my intuition (LOL) it doesn't take long for me to "read" them.

The best relationship I had we waited 2 months; just happened that way. We didn't have any dates at each others' houses until after then, and did a lot of fun and adventurous things together prior to hopping in the sack.

So for me, I assess the quality of the time spent together and go by my gut feeling. Also, I'm way more prone to give it up to guys who leave the ball in my court and conduct themselves as gentlemen, and don't try to pressure me into sleeping with them.

JayATee
07-28-2014, 06:03 AM
I know everyone is different, so I'm just curious as to how many dates you ladies go on until you sleep with a man that you are really interested in.

In the past, I have slept with men by the second date (except my ex who I waited two weeks). But I'm now TRYING to wait at least a month.

Personally I think requirements are dumb.... I don't have a magic waiting period. If I want to go to bed with the guy I do... Knew my current guy a month (and I mean just knew him, didn't hang out for a month first or anything) before I decided I liked him and we slept together that night.

iwanthugeboobslol
08-16-2020, 05:56 AM
Old thread I know, but I stumbled upon this thread by fluke and felt the need to add my own experience to it...my husband and I started out as a casual impromptu hookup before we even dated.


What's ironic is how I was so desperately seeking a serious relationship and a marriage for several years beforehand, to the point that I was holding out for sex with the hope that it'd "weed out" time wasters or convince a guy that I was "worth it" and commitment material. I did this not because I wanted to, but because it's what a lot of books and older generation people said to do. It backfired...horribly. Some guys just aren't into commitment, or maybe they are but they're just not into YOU, and no amount of waiting on sex and/or jumping quickly into sex will change this. I found that a few guys were willing to wait a month+ to have sex, or even abstained from anything beyond kissing for the longest time, just to STILL end up leaving/losing interest immediately after the eventual, long-awaited first sex. I've heard and read of cases where a girl made the guy wait like 3 months and he acted fine with that, but the reason he was okay with it was because he was getting sex from other women the entire time he was "waiting". My opinion here might differ from others, but if I had to pick, I'd rather be the type who "puts out" quickly then realizes it wasn't meant to be, than be the type who is duped and cheated on.

In the case of meeting my husband: I was beyond exasperated with dating and men at the time. I felt frustrated that refraining myself from sexual urges seemed to backfire more than "work" for me. I had started seeing a guy who was handsome, tall, funny, etc but hadn't even kissed me yet. I started feeling embarrassed about how long it'd been since I'd gotten laid. Then the no-kiss/no-sex guy I'd been casually seeing admitted that he wasn't interested in having kids (since he already had a college aged daughter) or marriage, as it was been-there-done-that for him. That did it for me. I kinda snapped, realizing that my waiting didn't really do me any benefits, only keeping me sexually suppressed and waiting around wasting time on guys who didn't have the same longterm goals.

At that point I gave up on even trying to find a potential husband material; I went in a totally different direction, sought a hookup for a sexual release and someone to let off steam with. I sought out a physically pleasing easy target, my new neighbor who I'd very recently befriended. We hooked up, he became enamored by me at a time that I didn't really consider anything beyond a booty call, we started dating, moved in together rather quick (less than a month), and were married eight months later. Our first child together born almost eight months after that. We are celebrating our 5th wedding anniversary in a few weeks.

I know it doesn't always work out this way; I think it was just a good fluke for me, and perhaps my focus away from desperation, marriage, and playing mind games. My takeaway from my experiences is that these days, sex timing doesn't really affect outcome nearly as much as we were raised to think. In fact, most of my past good and/or long-term relationships started with sex on the first date, within the first month, or as FWBs/FBs. Obviously not all of my FBs or casual hookups turned into relationships, but most of my longest relationships did surprisingly stem from quick onset sex.

Raziel
08-16-2020, 05:59 AM
Depends on her.

Bahuba
08-16-2020, 07:43 AM
How did I miss this thread? It would be nice to see an update from the original posters

miss.a.p1600
08-16-2020, 08:02 AM
To add to an old thread

I think it’s important to wait until you know the dude isn’t

1. A serial killer or rapist
2. A fuckboi (unless you like fucking fuckbois)
3. A narcissist
4. Riddled with untreated incurable diseases
5. A perpetually broke loser
6. A guy with a criminal record (hard severe crimes like assault, rape, grand theft, murder, multiple duis, multiple divorces/evasion of child support, etc)
7. Pedophile
Etc


Me personally, last thing I want is some narcissistic asshole fuckboi bragging he got some of this top notch high quality pussy because I gave it to him so quickly before I realized anything about him.

So this would take at least a couple of dates or more

Raziel
08-16-2020, 08:13 AM
I'm not all that comfortable fucking on the first or second date (or the third). I prefer to do it right. I don't even KISS on the first date. I have no interest in being a boy toy. I may kiss you on the THIRD date. We can fuck once we know it's going somewhere.

Raziel
08-16-2020, 08:38 AM
I'm just a single guy trying to find a wife.

miss.a.p1600
08-16-2020, 08:47 AM
I'm not all that comfortable fucking on the first or second date (or the third). I prefer to do it right. I don't even KISS on the first date. I have no interest in being a boy toy. I may kiss you on the THIRD date. We can fuck once we know it's going somewhere.

The last few dates I had before I decided to go celibate again a few years back I realized the guys in today’s Tinder culture are trying for not only kissing on first date but anything sexual up to fucking. This is what PUA are teaching is to fuck no later than second date.

It’s nice when guys are more traditional and can just use the first date as just that. Not a means to get sexual right off the bat. (Unless BOTH people want that)

I suppose this is one way you know a guy is just looking to get laid vs looking for more meaningful relationship. He won’t risk coming off as a player/fuckboi etc by moving in for sexual activity too soon before you’re ready

Raziel
08-16-2020, 09:37 AM
I despise PUA. First off, it doesn't work. Second, it's some dude being a jackass.

Raziel
08-16-2020, 09:49 AM
You use Tinder? You're killing me here! Tinder is the spawn of Satan!

Raziel
08-16-2020, 09:56 AM
Sorry, another post...

I WILL walk you to you door on date one. Once it's over.

About ten years ago i knew a dude that went out on a date with a woman, and he just let her out of the car. Figuring nothing was wrong. And, after he left, some dude raped her. He felt like it was his fault. And he was a good dude, it wasn't his fault. It was the rapists fault. I don't ever want to feel that. So i WILL walk you to your door.

And i pack... Some Rapist is going to meet a sad end if he tries that shit.

miss.a.p1600
08-16-2020, 11:08 AM
You use Tinder? You're killing me here! Tinder is the spawn of Satan!

No!!! Lol. Not knocking people who do but I think a lot of guys nowadays (especially the ones who consistently use dating apps) have that “tinder mentality”

Raziel
08-17-2020, 06:26 AM
GOOD!! Tinder is EVIL!

AChildOfBoredom
08-17-2020, 01:13 PM
Tinder is amusing sometimes. None of these apps have ever led to dates for me, though. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel, but I just don’t have any real interest in dating and relationships. Perhaps it goes hand-in-hand with or maybe it’s because of my complete lack of a sex drive. I haven’t even gotten myself off since June. Of last year. So, trying to date me - and especially trying to hook up with me - is going to be a losing prospect. What can I do, other than accept it for what it is? I suppose it makes me come across as a frigid bitch, because my patience wears thin very fast when people can’t comprehend my lack of interest and think power of persistence will get them somewhere,

I think Bumble was especially bad. They expected me to initiate a conversation? Good luck with that. And with Tinder mentality being the norm, I pretty much assume anyone who approaches me either does it with that in mind, or, because perhaps of my manner of dress - and especially with those who know I was raised in a Mennonite home - I have a bad propensity to attract the types of guys… how to put this? You know that says they prefer Asian women because they perceive them as being submissive and obedient? So, take that sort of person but take away the specific taste for Asians, and that’s what I often end up attracting, at least until I’ve gotten irritated with them because they mistook my use of very few words as submissiveness when it was actually me trying to hint at a lack of interest on my part, and I have to tell them bluntly that they need to fuck off.

Raziel
08-17-2020, 01:38 PM
Yeah, I've never gotten a date off a dating app, either. Those things just lead to texting, and sometimes scams.

carmen_b
08-17-2020, 01:43 PM
Right ? ! ?

My friend was saying she liked it and I'm just here thinking " God, men are such whiny bitches these days. Now they can't even initiate a conversation and I have to do it ? No way. Lol.




I think Bumble was especially bad. They expected me to initiate a conversation? Good luck with that.

carmen_b
08-17-2020, 02:15 PM
I think I lasted two weeks with J.

I would normally wait longer ( at least for P in V ) . I may allow hand stuff a little earlier to test if the guy knows what he is doing. J did. Lol

I slept with him kind of fast admittedly but I had been celibate about 3 months because I took time off from dudes after my winter boyfriend turned abusive ( ew ) . It was a shock to the system so heavy self care was needed and I didn't want to waste any conversation time ect.

Raziel
08-17-2020, 02:17 PM
Hey, they the ones that created Bumble and it's stupid rules, not I. They won't LET US (Men) initiate conversations. I suspect Bumble is pretty similar to Tinder, anyway. Evil.

Bahuba
08-18-2020, 01:08 PM
Tinder...

Raziel
08-18-2020, 01:14 PM
Evil...

Look if you wanna catch a Woman, just have nerve and be honest with her. Be yourself. Never lie. It's not all that hard. The single ones wanna be caught.

Bahuba
08-18-2020, 03:21 PM
Yeah I don't use Tinder or any of them. Just joking about Tinder - doesn't seem to make anyone happy.

carmen_b
08-18-2020, 03:39 PM
^ I think it would be much more effective overall if you could only message one person each day and use it a max of like 30-45 days .

carmen_b
08-18-2020, 03:41 PM
^ It's the " overuse " aspect of it that makes it tricky. I personally think men have more addictive type use with it along with time wasting behaviors.
Some men say that they rarely get a match at all though ..... like not one real woman ( non-escort or cam girl or IG model haha ) for 1-2 weeks even.

Raziel
08-18-2020, 03:58 PM
Yeah, i've never gotten anything but requests for a steam or amazon card out of a dating app. Why do these people think i'm that stupid? They talk to me, they have to know i'm not an idiot.

(And why do these scammers want a Steam card? They like playing Video Games or something?)

Raziel
08-19-2020, 07:10 AM
BTW, WTF is the "Tinder Mentality" when i go on Tinder it's brainless. There doesn't seem to be any mentality to it at all! miss.a.p1600 mentioned a "Tinder Mentality" what's that?

Those people are probably fucking retarded if they have a Tinder Mentality (Which is something of a laugh to me). Lets just say, if i had a Daughter, i wouldn't let a guy with a Tinder Mentality within a MILE of her. He'd meet my gun.

SnuffleUffleGrass
08-19-2020, 07:18 AM
There's a super successful doctor in LA who slept with his wife on the first date...even though you wouldn't guess that would be his style. They're still together, happy, with kids, decades later.

This question is too subjective.

IMO most of the time playing the waiting game while dating can bungle up things. Harmonious friendships and romances rest on a variety of factors, not just sexual compatibility.

Raziel
08-19-2020, 07:25 AM
There's a super successful doctor in LA who slept with his wife on the first date...even though you wouldn't guess that would be his style. They're still together, happy, with kids, decades later.

This question is too subjective.

IMO most of the time playing the waiting game while dating can bungle up things. Harmonious friendships and romances rest on a variety of factors, not just sexual compatibility.

Yeah, well, good for them. But that's how i do things. I don't like kissing on the first date, i want to, but i won't. And i only want to fuck when i know either she is cool with it (or it's an escort or something), or when i know she has a way to skip town. You know me Snuffle. We've known each other a long time.

You know i love ya, Hun.

miss.a.p1600
08-19-2020, 07:50 AM
BTW, WTF is the "Tinder Mentality" when i go on Tinder it's brainless. There doesn't seem to be any mentality to it at all! miss.a.p1600 mentioned a "Tinder Mentality" what's that?

Those people are probably fucking retarded if they have a Tinder Mentality (Which is something of a laugh to me). Lets just say, if i had a Daughter, i wouldn't let a guy with a Tinder Mentality within a MILE of her. He'd meet my gun.

to me a “tinder mentality” is a guy (Could be a woman though) who is so cheap n lazy so rather than attempt to meet in real life or even do a hybrid of real life plus online he’s just online mainly

on a number of different dating sites
Mass messaging women to see who responds.
offering free or extra cheap dates (if he offers dates at all - might just be a time wasting pen pal)
goal of fucking on first date (no later than second)
sees women as disposable (can always come back to dating site to find more) so never a deep connection

It’s like using dating sites similar to UBER eats but for getting quick fast easy pussy and if they can’t get that then free pen pal attention

Just guys there to basically waste a lady’s time and or use her for sex whilst make zero to no effort whatsoever

Raziel
08-19-2020, 08:02 AM
Yeah, okay. I just see Tinder as a massive time waster. Just a way to see pictures. I mean whatever, maybe you know more about it than i do.

I haven't had ANY luck with dating sites, so maybe my shit is colored.

miss.a.p1600
08-19-2020, 08:44 AM
I met two guys in dating sites

One turned out to be a racial supremacist n textbook narcissist .... he tried to push my boundaries especially regarding sex (there was a thread I posted where he tried to convince me to have sex with him without a condom ... on the first sexual encounter) - I quickly got out of that.

And the other was a better experience - a pretty decent older guy but I realized after a while that he didn’t want the same long term goals I did so we parted ways

After these two experiences I realized that I’m not a huge fan of dating sites cause it takes A LOT of sifting through unsavory people to luck up on a decent guy.

It’s like going to a thrift store 69 times spending an hour each trip an on the last time you find some rare hidden gem that looks like it’s not supposed to be there and you immediately get it all to yourself.

Like a needle in a haystack experience that could like you say waste a lot of time only to come up empty handed

AChildOfBoredom
08-19-2020, 12:50 PM
Right ? ! ?

My friend was saying she liked it and I'm just here thinking " God, men are such whiny bitches these days. Now they can't even initiate a conversation and I have to do it ? No way. Lol.

It’s not that I’m above initiating a conversation, but the interest on my part has to more than a fleeting casual interest, and that’s where these apps fall short. You’re not going to fit anything in the blurb of a dating app profile that’s going to be substantial enough for that to happen, and anyone who could be adequately summed up in that space… well, they’d be pretty dull and boring.


Hey, they the ones that created Bumble and it's stupid rules, not I. They won't LET US (Men) initiate conversations. I suspect Bumble is pretty similar to Tinder, anyway. Evil.

I think they meant well with it. But it was always kind of a doomed proposition. And I’m pretty up front and straightforward, but I won’t initiate such a conversation 1: because too many guys have a propensity to assume it means something that puts them at the advantage and 2: any time I did swipe right on those apps, it was always just because. Maybe something in their profile amused me, maybe it was just because, “I’m using this app, might at well swipe right on someone”, etc. That’s it. So…

It did amuse me once when I stated that I had a penchant for black humor, and one guy was telling me, “Oh, me too! I love Dave Chappell, the Wayans, …”, and I’m just like, “That’s… not what I meant at all”.

Raziel
08-19-2020, 01:20 PM
I think they meant well with it. But it was always kind of a doomed proposition. And I’m pretty up front and straightforward, but I won’t initiate such a conversation 1: because too many guys have a propensity to assume it means something that puts them at the advantage and 2: any time I did swipe right on those apps, it was always just because. Maybe something in their profile amused me, maybe it was just because, “I’m using this app, might at well swipe right on someone”, etc. That’s it. So…

LMAO, Men do NOT have the advantage. In dating, that's all the Woman. If she don't want it, it don't get done.

slowpoke
08-19-2020, 01:55 PM
It did amuse me once when I stated that I had a penchant for black humor, and one guy was telling me, “Oh, me too! I love Dave Chappell, the Wayans, …”, and I’m just like, “That’s… not what I meant at all”.

That is hilarious. It is amazing how stupid people are.

SnuffleUffleGrass
08-19-2020, 02:06 PM
It did amuse me once when I stated that I had a penchant for black humor, and one guy was telling me, “Oh, me too! I love Dave Chappell, the Wayans, …”, and I’m just like, “That’s… not what I meant at all”.

**** Facepalm Emoji *****

miss.a.p1600
08-19-2020, 05:47 PM
It’s ironic you all mention the woman initiating the conversation

I actually liked that aspect.

Mainly because I ain’t got all cotdamn day to idly wait for a guy to “pick me” so I like the reverse where I choose.

It reminds me of the strip club where the lady initiates the conversation.

I like taking the control in that aspect but other than that I let the man lead as far as calling me to ask for a date/planning a date/etc

Also I like men who have a slight touch of feminism in them like they can empathize with women, understand where they are coming from, and know how to open them up (pun intended lol)

And I find that men who are extremely masculine most likely would never accept a woman approaching them. They assume she’s desperate n thirsty and so that dating app takes the stigma out of women leading the initial interaction.

Raziel
08-19-2020, 08:26 PM
I don't believe a Man CAN be a Feminist, though. In order to be a Feminist you have to know what struggles Women face, and how can a Man know that? I think Men can be Allies, and that's all. But that's OK. I don't mind being an Ally. I think it's good.

You just have to tell us the secret things you go through. What else is there? What things do i not know? How can i be a better Ally?

SnuffleUffleGrass
08-20-2020, 05:35 AM
I don't believe a Man CAN be a Feminist, though. In order to be a Feminist you have to know what struggles Women face, and how can a Man know that? I think Men can be Allies, and that's all. But that's OK. I don't mind being an Ally. I think it's good.

You just have to tell us the secret things you go through. What else is there? What things do i not know? How can i be a better Ally?


My answer to this is- if you FEEL you can't live without a woman, that is the clue as to how compatible you are.

The physical part of a romance is one part. Two people working together against the world is a successful romance.

Men can be feminists. That's an entirely different conversation.

Raziel
08-20-2020, 06:31 AM
I don't believe i CAN live without a Woman, but i am forced to. If i had one, i would do everything i could to make her happy. I don't give a shit about the physical part, as that will come on it's own.

But right now, unfortunately, i don't have a Girlfriend. A fact that bothers the living CRAP out of me.

Raziel
08-20-2020, 06:43 AM
And two people marching together, hand in hand, into the future, is exactly what i believe a romance is. Maybe different words, but the same notation Snuffle.

meganq2
08-20-2020, 08:27 AM
It is difficult to answer, depends when you will trust a man.

AChildOfBoredom
08-21-2020, 12:11 AM
LMAO, Men do NOT have the advantage. In dating, that's all the Woman. If she don't want it, it don't get done.

But when you approach them, they tend to feel that they do. Even earlier today, I was shopping and I heard a guy ask of any of his friends had a lighter, so I offered him mine. I don’t smoke, I just carry one because. Of course, he took that as a come on, and after a minute of trying to chat me up, he offered me a cigarette. When I declined it and told him I don’t smoke, he asked why and I saw my opportunity to kill the conversation then and there, so I narrowed my eyes, clenched my fists, started taking slow, deep breaths, and I said to him, “When Ragnarok comes upon this land, Surtr will charge forth wielding a sword off of which will be emitted a great flame which will consume the earth… and I shall become the flame”. He just kinda stood there looking stunned, so I walked off.

It’s really the same at the club… if I approach someone at the club, they typically know why and I have to use powers of persuasion on them (which I can do pretty well). If they approach me and initiate a conversation - men or women - it’s a lot easier for me to get them to spend money.

Raziel
08-21-2020, 12:26 AM
“When Ragnarok comes upon this land, Surtr will charge forth wielding a sword off of which will be emitted a great flame which will consume the earth… and I shall become the flame”.

Girl i LOVE THAT. I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. I've read all that stuff! I know Norse Myth as well!

This is the COOLEST POST I've ever seen here!!!

Raziel
08-21-2020, 05:20 AM
Men can be feminists. That's an entirely different conversation.

Then maybe it's one we should have.

Can a Man be a Feminist. I don't think he can, i think he can be an ally, but no further. And i am happy to be an ally.

SnuffleUffleGrass
08-21-2020, 11:47 AM
Feminist man- loves and cares for his long term romantic partner.

Feminist man- has basic boundary comprehension

Feminist man- because of the two things I mentioned here, he is popular with women. Even women who claim to "hate feminism."

Raziel
08-21-2020, 02:29 PM
You're describing part of an Ally, hun. That's not all. But it isn't a feminist. Feminism is really a Woman-Thing. I just don't think there's anything a Man can do with it. But i'm happy to be an Ally. And i'm not the only one, there are more Men.

Raziel
08-21-2020, 05:21 PM
Look, the way i see it is this: I don't believe Women stand ahead of me, i don't believe Women stand behind me, I DO believe Women stand by my side, totally equal with me. I've always believed that. And we can walk forward into the future, Together. Side by side. ALL of us.

I realize this might be a little idealistic, but i still believe it.