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justanothercamgirl
07-21-2014, 07:45 AM
I'd agree I must be too naive... guess my attitude is based on my experience.
The few times I had people coming up to me at industry parties with a "let's go to my room" disguised as a pretty pick up line or not (usually too drunk to think clearly, so sounding vague), a mere "no thank you" worked perfectly and had them stopping attempts or even fleeing. Anything that was "because we need to talk" was returned with "I have an opening at 3pm tomorrow, would you like to meet in the lobby or at the cafe to discuss whatever it is you need discussed". That works fairly well too.
This doesn't happen nearly as often as it needs to for me to feel concerned about the industry's, uhm, health. Even more rarely than it happens at any other party or event. I supposed people in the industry are kinda fed up with all of this - with sex, filth etc and want to stay away from sounding/looking like fanboys.
The majority of the people I met - of all genders, online or at shows were very nice. Including you, Sam.
I've never set any distinctions between professionals who are in front of or behind the camera. Yes, we're all in it to make money. We go to conventions to network and make deals. There is absolutely no reason to look down on anyone - just makes no sense. How would they ever make money in the industry if not for performers?
So, thank you Sam. Yes, I needed to be brought back to Earth from the clouds I'm in. I know full well that I'm way too idealistic, young and naive. But I'll stay in the business and work on making it better. Will I get burnt - most likely lol, but that doesn't mean I won't try. I'm glad that things are changing. ModelCentro CMS and site-builder was built with the goal to do just that - to provide models with the freedom they deserve. I'm proud to be part of the company that is changing the business.
I really wish you/ModelCentro were actually throwing this conference instead of just sponsoring it --- because Natalie, if you are anything in person like you write in your posts on Camming Connect then you seem to be the exact kind of person this industry needs WAY more of. <3
NatalieCentro
07-21-2014, 10:06 AM
Thank you justanothercamgirl. I am sure there are many way better people in the biz than I am, and sure hope that I can stay as is and live up to my words over time.
Unfortunately, ModelCentro will not be throwing any conferences in the near future as we have all our resources working on the platform. Maybe one day :)
KatyBoleyn
07-21-2014, 10:45 AM
There is a critical mass building of cammodel owned/operated businesses (CamConcierge, BoleynModels, ModelCentro, ProjectMaenad, LCMS, etc) that could probably go full Power Rangers and get something going. We just got slammed by the "return of paying traffic", so we're crunched at the moment, but once it evens out we will have some resources to devote to this.
I'd like to see it modeled after fetish events like FetCon or KinkyKollege. The kinksters definitely have a better respect of personal space and sexuality than the old school porn crowd, and their events tend to reflect that. We're going to make an attempt this year to be involved in the upcoming KK just so we can get the practical experience and see everything that is involved with running such an event.
Last years KK was 4 rotating classrooms, small vendor area, 2-3 playrooms, air tight security, and very good hotel room deal (so long as you went out to eat). This format could be easily "cammodeled" to accommodate beginner and experienced models as well as their more specific privacy concerns, and male presence would be tightly policed with some common sense rules.
Airrrie2
07-21-2014, 01:17 PM
I realize their aim was to get fans to sponsor their favorite cam girl, but that is NOT realistic at all. No fan is going to shell out hundreds if not a $1000 or more just so he can meet his fav cam gal at a convention. For that price he would expect SEX! Men just want to get off when on cam or try to hook up for free sex.
Yes, I have been to several conventions, Xbix, AVN and the men in the porn industry are condescending, rude, looking to get laid for free just as much if NOT more than the fans. Considering, I know most of the owners, camera guys, male talent in this biz, LA & Miami, they are just about all the same.
I can tell you, Natalie, even though you are a female in the biz & not a performer they will treat you the exact same way a we do. I can say 95% of the men that get into the porn biz did it to get all the fresh new pussy they can exploit & make money off of while paying us the least amount. They do NOT go to conventions to make money with the models or to set up deals with the models so we ALL profit. NO they only do deals with each other, we are there as window dressings & to suck their dicks.
I have actually been told to my face at an Xbiz event that don't worry my pretty little head about the back end, about billing options & building my site, to just fuck & suck for my money. The men in the porn biz are mostly evil predators, including most of the husbands married to the female porn stars. They are WORST than the fans.
Considering these guys used to make millions off of the content where as the talent got paid $1000 or LESS with NO royalties. Now, the biz has changed. We Don't need them to build a brand, a site or to make money anymore.
While camming con maybe a bit different since I high doubt, content providers or porn companies will be there & it's about camming. The attitude towards females in this industry SUCKS! They don't see us as business partners but as things to be used & thrown away. If you have any doubt, go read up at xxxporntalk & what they say about talent.
If this were an event where many cam girls got together to cam, make content & such. I would be on board, but it isn't.
As a business person I have to look at what makes me money. Creating new content makes me money. Camming makes me money. My pay site makes me money. Meeting fans unless you Hook does NOT! Meeting fans does not put $$ in my pocket, it doesn't sell memberships to my site or cam shows. Fans ONLY want to meet their fav cam girl for one reason, to get laid. There is STILL a misconception about females in the camming, porn industry, that if you meet us we will fuck you. Men log onto the web because they are horny & looking for sex, so they assume we are doing the same thing. Not to make money, but we do it because we are uncontrollably horny & looking for a total stranger off the web for sex.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy they log onto cam sites or join my porn site because they are horny, but the fantasy & reality get to confused into their minds.
Sam
Excellent post. Just to add another example to further drive the point home, consider the amount of unauthorized video's and photo's we find floating around the web. We are not business partners. If we were considered partners it wouldn't happen. To them we are traffic, we are money, we are a body, we are body parts, and we are dollars.
When men speak to each other at these conferences the body language is very telling. They stand side by side. They shake hands. They speak in terms of numbers and resources. When men speak to the women at these conferences they stand directly in front of us, looking down. They don't shake our hands, they kiss them and offer us alcohol. When they speak, it's not in terms of business and resources, it's about whether or not we are available for the next party, what we look like, what our niche is and what we have to offer them.
Also keep in mind, the majority of industry professionals and fans will not know who you are. There's really not much benefit to appearing at these events unless you operate a successful business by the back end. When they find out you are a model, you are seen exactly as you are as a performer on the web and you are forgotten once your interaction is over.
justanothercamgirl
07-21-2014, 03:28 PM
There is a critical mass building of cammodel owned/operated businesses (CamConcierge, BoleynModels, ModelCentro, ProjectMaenad, LCMS, etc) that could probably go full Power Rangers and get something going. We just got slammed by the "return of paying traffic", so we're crunched at the moment, but once it evens out we will have some resources to devote to this.
I'd like to see it modeled after fetish events like FetCon or KinkyKollege. The kinksters definitely have a better respect of personal space and sexuality than the old school porn crowd, and their events tend to reflect that. We're going to make an attempt this year to be involved in the upcoming KK just so we can get the practical experience and see everything that is involved with running such an event.
Last years KK was 4 rotating classrooms, small vendor area, 2-3 playrooms, air tight security, and very good hotel room deal (so long as you went out to eat). This format could be easily "cammodeled" to accommodate beginner and experienced models as well as their more specific privacy concerns, and male presence would be tightly policed with some common sense rules.
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La Luna
07-23-2014, 07:42 PM
it appears they are paying their spokesmodels a hefty sum to appear. a few of their "cam girls" who will be at the show don't even cam. they are just well known porn stars used to lure in fans. i don't see why a regular cam model/porn star would have to pay to appear at all. we should be paid to appear and have airfare/hotel covered. this adds up to thousands of dollars and as far as i have gleaned from fans the only ones who know this even exists are local and have seen the billboards. just a few of them even buy cam shows at all. why on earth would they go into such an event that actually repels the cam girls and punishes them for showing up by charging an arm and a leg for every little add on to the booth price? this is the opposite of consideration. it's flat out insulting. the cheapest booth price is $350 for ONE DAY and the $3500 package covers it all EXCEPT airfare and hotel. so you are still out those expenses on top of the 3500! i agree with everyone else above who said the models should be paid. not charged.
i am not opposed to conventions as a means to meet fans. that is not the case here. I love doing adultcon in LA and when it was a regular thing i would make more doing a day at the expo when i had plenty of merch than i would shooting a sex scene. that booth fee was only $150 for the whole weekend. i could earn a months income in a weekend. but as the economy crashed the expos declined as well. its still OK money but a tiny fraction of what it used to be. and that was an established, community welcomed, years-old well-known expo. how do they expect models in this economy at an expo that has never been done before to not be insulted at what they are charging?
KatyBoleyn
07-23-2014, 08:49 PM
They don't care. This is not a real convention and never has been. This is a staged event for a PlayboyTV thing and their foray into this "new fangled camming thing."
Somehow, either from cluelessness or their silly attempt to change the dynamics, they're under the impression that "real cammodels" are banking $100,000+ per year and wouldn't even sweat the ~$4-5000 costs associated, or they're purposely trying to price them out from showing up. This was very clear from the beginning, and the actual motives behind it came out pretty quickly.
Yes, there are a few porn stars that do camming and they have their own niche, but there's a very big world of models that earn quite a bit less (but still a livable wage) leading quiet lives in obscurity all over the world. This is what I think about when I think "camming". The celebrity porn world is another animal entirely and to me is "porn" and not "camming" - calling this CammingCon is outright misleading.
smaddy
07-23-2014, 08:54 PM
it appears they are paying their spokesmodels a hefty sum to appear. a few of their "cam girls" who will be at the show don't even cam. they are just well known porn stars used to lure in fans. i don't see why a regular cam model/porn star would have to pay to appear at all. we should be paid to appear and have airfare/hotel covered. this adds up to thousands of dollars and as far as i have gleaned from fans the only ones who know this even exists are local and have seen the billboards. just a few of them even buy cam shows at all. why on earth would they go into such an event that actually repels the cam girls and punishes them for showing up by charging an arm and a leg for every little add on to the booth price? this is the opposite of consideration. it's flat out insulting. the cheapest booth price is $350 for ONE DAY and the $3500 package covers it all EXCEPT airfare and hotel. so you are still out those expenses on top of the 3500! i agree with everyone else above who said the models should be paid. not charged.
i am not opposed to conventions as a means to meet fans. that is not the case here. I love doing adultcon in LA and when it was a regular thing i would make more doing a day at the expo when i had plenty of merch than i would shooting a sex scene. that booth fee was only $150 for the whole weekend. i could earn a months income in a weekend. but as the economy crashed the expos declined as well. its still OK money but a tiny fraction of what it used to be. and that was an established, community welcomed, years-old well-known expo. how do they expect models in this economy at an expo that has never been done before to not be insulted at what they are charging?
If they are giving their "spokesmodels" a hefty sum to appear it just goes to show that they don't give a rats ass about the rest of the girls. It's a CAMING convention, and if they are just using big names in the porn industry to attract guys then they are in the wrong business. Caming is not new and already has a large customer base and following. Why not promote the big names in the camming industry? If they are using pornstars to entice customers to come to check out caming they are aiming at the wrong demographic. Guys who watch porn and guys who watch camgirls are completely different!
But about the hefty entry fee, basically they are going to charge all the other camgirls a ton of money so that they can AFFORD to pay the 'spokesmodels' to appear at the convention. Yes, regular conventions do this and many times pay speakers $2,000+ speaking fee's. BUT those conventions have a lot of people coming to them and so they don't have to overcharge each and every other person to attend. I have never in my life seen a convention charge the very people that their convention is built upon. Most of the time speakers may not get paid, but they are getting free tickets to attend + entry to after party + other perks FOR FREE.
I have been many conferences in my life and I just don't see any aspect of this convention working out. I know personally the creators of a very successful marketing expo and for the first 2 years of doing it they made absolutely nothing. But it continued to build momentum and became a big name in the marketing industry. It seems like the creators of "caming con" are trying to make a quick buck off of this thing.
Maybe in a few years after the kinks are worked out of this thing, and cam girls can get in for free (or at least under $200) I will attend. But for now I'll just stick to Exxxotica.
temptingmodel
07-24-2014, 09:34 PM
Thank you justanothercamgirl. I am sure there are many way better people in the biz than I am, and sure hope that I can stay as is and live up to my words over time.
Do not sell yourself short sweets
I'm open about CammingCon. Wish I had a sponsor to cover my fees. No such deal on my end.
Cammingcon themselves have been professional to me. If they so happen to bash me for not attending I can take that as a 50/50 hit, I did sign up before realizing the fees. I feel horrible for NOT going.
None of my fans have said , see ya at cammingcon! lol so Im not worried there.
I don't worry about patrons, been in a strip club let alone a nude club better yet a regular nightclub?? I come from a world when we did not and still do not live in fear of fans.
Respect is shown the same way respect is given.
I put myself cam worldwide. I don't live in fear. I welcome my fans if they see me in public to say hi, don't fear me and in return I will not fear them. Imagine being looked at as a predator when we are the ones wanting them to prey our cams daily and bitch if they don't.
A few years ago the convention is NJ was first to do a NJ show and if you happen to be around then, you can remember the scrutiny it received about fans, security etc. Guess what? They are still holding conventions. More and more are signing up. Its a snowball effect but it took people that are willing to take that risk
Simply getting booths that can sell to models at a decent cost, make profit, THEY pay to be there, draw us in, we buy products from sex toys to webcams, makeup for webcam to this cool tripod not on the market yet but I know a camgirl can use this type of shit.
Performers meeting performers, recruiters etc
Models that attend pay for their own rooms if not sponsored by a company, not a fan.
I wish yall luck! I wish I could've gone! ya know lol if you want to send a plane ticket... just saying! :D
temptingmodel
07-25-2014, 01:18 PM
I wish they had a live cam so we could peek in and see whats the happenings of the event. Not a full view of event bc that would be cheating in a way but ya lnow, like the online strip clubs, glimpse it.
KarmaComa
08-04-2014, 05:33 PM
Ok I'm dying to hear a review from one of the attendees. I saw some social media updates from it and was generally unimpressed. (Considering I was pretty impressed by a battery operated pepper grinder at a boutique kitchen store today, the bar is low) I would love to hear a review from someone who isn't an insider shill, pornstar who does not cam, sponsor or model who was dragged there by a cam studio pimp. Were you able to sell merchandise with ease? Do you feel this will increase your online presence? How was security, did you run into any snafus or see your life flash before your eyes? Did you make valuable networking contacts? Would you go again?
Sam38g
08-04-2014, 05:42 PM
Heard it was a fail, but in order to promote it for next year, they will have to call it a success.
Where are the twitter pics? I follow a few of the girls paid to go, even they weren't posting pics. Not a good sign.
Sam
KarmaComa
08-04-2014, 05:53 PM
I saw Stacy Havoc the organizer had some and The Raydolls had a few. Gianna Michaels (mmmm...i love her) was captured in one of Sienna Hill's pics but I'm not even 100% sure it was at the actual con. I figured no one reporting back here immediately with positive affirming news was a sign it sucked a bag of dicks. I saw a few Playboy Live models being retweeted with their pics as well but names escape me and since the whole event "favored" PBLive I don't really want to hear their skewed take.
JaceyLynn
08-04-2014, 06:37 PM
I love stacy, She seems awesome. While I don't think I would ever go to the first run of a convention, it did look kinda fun and if things pan out for me between now and the first half of next year I definably wanna go next year.
I seen a few pics on twitter and a handful that fubarwebmasters posted on gfy, but I do not see those up on their website yet.
I wish they had a live cam so we could peek in and see whats the happenings of the event. Not a full view of event bc that would be cheating in a way but ya lnow, like the online strip clubs, glimpse it.
They had a live stream going for some of the time on their website.
punker_barbie
08-06-2014, 10:58 AM
Just looking at the 'fans' section of who is attending is to say the least well... scary.
Especially the guy with the bag over his head! (Which no doubt he will most likely be bringing one for the cam model of his choice to wear over her head!):paperbag:
I couldn't even imagine feeling safe even walking back to my hotel room, knowing that cam cuties might be following me, or worse yet, will have a room next to me.:eek:
No Thanx!
I attended. Models had their own floor/section which had security monitoring the entrance. As for fans being listed on the site, they mixed industry people in with the fan list as well.
justanothercamgirl
08-06-2014, 05:24 PM
I attended. Models had their own floor/section which had security monitoring the entrance. As for fans being listed on the site, they mixed industry people in with the fan list as well.
What was it like? Did you have a good time? Deets, bb! Deets! ;D