View Full Version : "To Ban, Or Not To Ban?",..That Is The Question
justsometwat
09-10-2014, 07:02 AM
Most of what I am going to say has already been said but I am going to say it anyway.
You really do learn who is going to ultimately end up paying you for your time and who isn't. There's a few different classes of people.
SMALL TALKERS - There are the ones that will tip/pay in other rooms (and you've seen them do it!) but when they come to your room they are rubbing one out for free, maybe they never talk, but when they do it's small talk and they don't really seem to care about YOU. - These are the customers that will probably NEVER take that leap and tip you for ANYTHING!
WHALES IN OTHER ROOMS - There are the ones that tip LOADS in other rooms, but throw nickels at you, even though you might be offering more shows, better shows, or better entertainment - maybe the other model is generally a non-nude or isn't very hardcore, but they compliment your shows and leave right after you are done. - These are the ones that are probably never going to tip you very much and when they tip you a buck or two will think you should go insane and thank them forever for it.
ONE TIME TIPPERS - There are the ones that tip once, no matter how big or how small that think that they have paid their dues and now they can continue to small talk and watch the shows for free, because 9 months ago they gave you $10 and that should be enough to get you by. - These are the ones that are probably never going to tip again because they drop coins on every other model possible and don't feel like they owe you anything else.
FRIENDSHIP VIEWERS - There are the ones that want to be "friends" with you and feel like the attention they give you and that you give them is enough so tipping isn't something they have to do. - These are the ones that aren't going to spend any money because now they "respect you as a person" and not a cam model so watching you do shows is odd to them - even though they MORE THAN LIKELY still watch the shows, they just pretend they aren't there (AFK) or they muted the show.
LURKERS - There are the ones that will lurk, watch you for free and come back day after day and never say a single thing to you. - These are the ones that are jerking it for free, will never pay you or talk to you and are likely one of the ones that are capping your shows to upload to the other assholes that won't ever pay.
I don't cam as much as I used to, mostly because I am just sick of all of the sites I have been on going under or getting worse, but when I do I ban the ones that come in day after day and never talk or never tip. I ban the ones that come to my room and won't even say hello even though I talk to everyone, but they talk to models with thousands of people in their rooms even though the model never sees what they say. I ban the ones that tipped once or twice well over 6 months ago but haven't tipped since and watch the shows then leave. Basically, I ban the ones that do not feel that I am worth tipping, but will watch for free and then leave. That ain't how this works.
Glamourmilf
09-10-2014, 10:29 AM
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anonymous camgirl
09-10-2014, 10:32 AM
Billy jack bitch and i don't care!!... Haha just had to say it:)
for those of you who don't know!
(jimmy crack corn and I don't care) that's all I think about when I hear that name in my head..
Glamourmilf
09-29-2014, 07:48 AM
Bumping this,... as I just wanted to report back on the banning situation.Thanks, by the way, for all of the awesome suggestions That I have been using as well. It really has saved me many a time.
Since I made this thread, I've not only figured out how to ban 'peepers' that come into my prvt., but have figured out a way to discreetly ban freeloaders/timewasters. (Without disturbing my room, so as not to ruin the vibe of a positive chat space.):meditate:
I have 2 pre-set text messages. :writing:
The first one is for people who come into my chat every time I'm online, wait in my chat throughout gold shows, prvt., etc. and never buy, or tip. It says, "I've noticed You in my chat room several times now, yet we have never had any play time, why is that?" I have my hand on the ban button, because they bail right away.
The other text message I have is for the people who won't stop dirty talking, or will ask me 3 questions about what I will do in prvt.,,, and after I've answered all questions I have this text.. "Take me prvt. now, it's time to play". I have my hand on the ban button, because 99% of the time, they leave.
I always leave the option for them to message me, as to why they were banned, and only 1 out of 950 people have asked.
It makes my time on cam more productive, because my regs, and new people just take me right away, without spending lots of time in free chat.
Sunnylexie
09-29-2014, 11:53 PM
Speaking about "getting a reputation of a heartless bitch" and it being bad for business: I'm wearing my "quick to ban" tag on SM proudly, because the amount of bullshit I have to deal with has dwindled since I got it. The guys aren't that stupid and know if their behavior is worth a ban; so they just don't show up and save everyone the trouble. Can't say it's been bad for my earnings - might try and take the tag off for a while though to see if there is any difference.
Glamourmilf
09-30-2014, 09:00 AM
^^ I would like to know how that works out for You, because I have a tag on sm that says 'quick to ban' also, but I hide it. That was before I actually was banning losers the way I have been due to this helpful thread.
Maybe I should just go ahead and let it show, just to see.
Sunnylexie
09-30-2014, 10:37 PM
^^TBH I have had multiple 'quick to ban' and 'bitch' tags on my profile for forever and I leave them so that people will hopefully take a hint. But they don't read or just don't care.
I'm also pretty sure they don't care about the model's "reputation" with other users. Imagine them look for advice or reviews like they are choosing a cosmetic surgeon, every time they need to jack off lol.
P.S. I just need to tell how I love the "heartless bitch" part: makes banning a timewaster sound like taking away his only outlet while actually it's just sending him further on his quest for free jollies.
CurvyWinona
10-01-2014, 03:08 AM
If I ban a custie who signed up under my cammodel link and has been paying other models time to time, will I continue earn the commission?
CurvyWinona
10-01-2014, 09:59 AM
Anyone knows if I will continue getting the earnings from cammodel if I ban him?
justanothercamgirl
10-01-2014, 10:02 AM
Anyone knows if I will continue getting the earnings from cammodel if I ban him?
No idea but I did want to say that is a damn good question! It has never occurred to me before. I've always wondered if they stop paying you for your cammodel earnings if they suspend your account for not camming too.
Glamourmilf
10-01-2014, 10:24 AM
^^ I would imagine that any excuse NOT to pay You would be the choice that SM takes. You could always e-mail Liz, but SM could always say that they've 'changed their policy', should the situation ever come up.:-\
Sunnylexie
10-02-2014, 04:37 AM
Well I took off my "quick to ban" tag today and got 2 "show me wet finger" guys. May be a coincidence, but I haven't seen one since I got the tag and until today.
Speaking about people who ban or ignore picky guys being bad at sales: camming isn't a hard sales challenge. It's not the "conversion rate" or how hard-to-get those people were, but your earnings that matters. Trying to convert "difficult" customers would make sense if they brought more money in, but they spend the same amount as "easy" ones - at best. Now what would be more profitable: to spend 20 minutes convincing a difficult client to have a 10-minute show or have two 10-minute shows with easy guys in the same 30 minutes? Who needs to sell snow to an Eskimoe when there are plenty people who actually need it.
anonymous camgirl
10-02-2014, 12:10 PM
Oh yes!.. I do know the answer to this question.. I have several guys I referred banned from seeing me in pvt and I still get referral commission from them.. I banned them because they refuse to spend money on me and come to chat and bother me all the time for free... same as anyone else I would ban...
Ok here is an example, I banned one from sept 26th and I got referral commission from him on the 28th... a whopping 20 cents hahaha but that is proof right there.
Anyone knows if I will continue getting the earnings from cammodel if I ban him?
BlondebombGA
10-02-2014, 03:22 PM
This is what BillyJack isn't quite getting here. We aren't used car salesmen who have to fight over the few people that wander onto the lot every day, having to use every trick in the book to make a sale. This is sexuality, and many men, in this 'free porn entitlement' current place this industry is in, will try to get as much as they can without spending a dime. If you are running your cam business this way (ahem...IF you are a camgirl) then you are gonna burn out fast honey. As ANONCG brought up, your mental and physical energy is an asset not to be wasted. Especially on those who are just bored or broke and wasting an hour or so "kicking tires". Hell, I have a few who drain my soul with gooood paying sessions, and I have chosen to let them go because the burn out they brought on was costing me $$$.
I have my strengths and my certain appeal, and I know what they are. Lots of guys love it, some I just don't do it for. It's how I approach my love life in the real world. If you are really into me, I don't have to do anything but be confident in what I bring to the table. If you are just ho hum about me, then move on, because I am not wasting time or energy trying to appeal to you, and to jump through hoops for a scrap of attention. When I learned to take this approach in my life and with my business, everything changed for the better. But do what you do BJB, and keep all those wankers busy for us. ;)
RaineyLane
10-02-2014, 03:35 PM
I've been banning more and more these days. But only after it becomes clear that they aren't going to spend any SIGNIFICANT amount on me ever again. If they annoy me, it's worth losing the measly $20 a month I *might* get out of them. Because sometimes when you're talking shit to one of these douche bags, a real client might be getting turned off if comes into the wrong part of the conversation. For that reason, I ban and don't look back. If I think they are a freeloader, I ban so if I forget, they can't distract me from a potential whale! Follow your gut. My chat room might be more quiet but quiet beats pissed off ALWAYS! :)
CurvyWinona
10-03-2014, 02:16 AM
Oh yes!.. I do know the answer to this question.. I have several guys I referred banned from seeing me in pvt and I still get referral commission from them.. I banned them because they refuse to spend money on me and come to chat and bother me all the time for free... same as anyone else I would ban...
Ok here is an example, I banned one from sept 26th and I got referral commission from him on the 28th... a whopping 20 cents hahaha but that is proof right there.
Thank u!!! :)
hyori
10-03-2014, 08:06 AM
I don't ban that much but when I do it's because they are a) a totally disrespectful, mean, psychotic, misogynistic, racist fuckwit. b) a fucking annoying beggar who doesn't understand the repeated no's and so stop fucking asking c) in any way hint or say they know who I am IRL d) peeper that doesn't respond to my 30 second boobs in face tactic e) follows me on every social media platform and shows up in every site I splitcam but has never gotten a show
Glamourmilf
10-03-2014, 09:49 AM
^^^ Sadly You just described 99% of the people who enter my chat room. >:(
That is why I started this thread. It only started to get like this about a year and a half ago.
Also, lately my repeats have just been coming in my room every time I log on, I mean immediately, and taunt me. you know, like..."Oh, bb, (not even my name, which they know), You look so good today, bet you want my big cock huh?'' Or, Do you want to go prvt., so You can ...insert request. then when I say yes, they leave, and never come back until the next day. Sh*t like that. Yet they never pay anymore. I'm now blocking them, because 'enough is enough!':banghead:
anonymous camgirl
10-03-2014, 12:49 PM
^^ I have been having a lot of guys like that too.. maybe they can't connect and then they just leave?? ...Not sure what is going on , on the other side over there.
Sunnylexie
10-03-2014, 09:16 PM
^^ THe ones I get are more like "Do you do/have this and that?"=>get a positive answer=>leave=>rinse, repeat" Some just send a question and leave as soon as I open my mouth or start typing the answer. Guess they are just attention trolls because some've been doing this for months so if there were any issues they could have them fixed long ago. I made a canned response saying "We discussed your show last time you came here. I have everything ready for it. Shall we go?" If they leave, I ban them on entering next time they show up.
laurielegs
10-03-2014, 09:35 PM
^^ THe ones I get are more like "Do you do/have this and that?"=>get a positive answer=>leave=>rinse, repeat" Some just send the question and leave as soon as I open my mouth or start typing the answer.
Wow, I get that too lately. WTF are they asking for, lol. It puzzles me.
Glamourmilf
10-04-2014, 07:18 AM
Anon, I can tell You that they most likely aren't getting disconnected. Why? Because the same little 'fockers' who do that, will buy into my 'voyeur' show, and type out detailed scenarios for the ENTIRE show! For like 10, 15, even half hour shows!
I do believe that is a kind of 'learned' behavioral type situation.
I have lots of guys who were perfect custies , and that had long prvts/excl. with me in the not too distant past.
They don't remember, (but I have notes on all of them). They have become complete 'pricks' in the gold show, because they learn that that' s what other's do.
It's happening more and more. >:(
anonymous camgirl
10-04-2014, 08:31 AM
oic what you are saying.. well I only do gold shows like 2 times per year...LOL....
Glamourmilf
10-07-2014, 04:50 PM
Come in my room once, without acknowledging my hello, shame on You... Come in again every few minutes, and do nothing for the next 5 hours,... shame on me if I let You stay. You're Bannned!!
Why are my repeats, and new people doing this? Arghh!
There's nothing exciting going on in my room to make you sit there. I don't even show my face or body! GTFO!!!:beat:
RaineyLane
10-07-2014, 05:10 PM
I've been on a ban binge! If I think they are a freeloader, I ban. They are clearly NOT whales so even IF they MIGHT pay me, it's better to preserve my mood. :)
Also... I think if we all unite to block the freeloaders out, some of them convert... or go back to MFC!
Had a guy say he's been watching me as an Anon for a year and finally signed up and took my pvt. I hear conversion stories on SW.
anonymous camgirl
10-07-2014, 05:33 PM
RIGHT?? I am thinking we all have this problem.. I give them 5 days of this nonsense, but it's way to long if you ask me.. but enough time for them to get some money together.. I understand not even having a buck to tip .. I mean you shouldn't log on to bother us at all... but they are addicted so 5 days is enough time to get their shit together.
Come in my room once, without acknowledging my hello, shame on You... Come in again every few minutes, and do nothing for the next 5 hours,... shame on me if I let You stay. You're Bannned!!
Why are my repeats, and new people doing this? Arghh!
There's nothing exciting going on in my room to make you sit there. I don't even show my face or body! GTFO!!!:beat:
Glamourmilf
10-13-2014, 08:21 AM
Advice?
I recently banned a guy I've seen a few times, for coming into my chat, and just talking about the role play we have done. Yet when I tell him that I'd be happy to discuss it further in prvt., he vanishes right away!
He sent a message , and wants 'back in', as he put it.
I've only had 1 other guy message me (out of 950), who I've banned, so I'm wanting to answer him the right way so he can 'get it'. I.E. the reason I banned him.
Sometimes it could come off harsh if I just say, "You waste my time, I'm here to make money, not talk for free", or something like that. Which is what I mean, but he won't understand that. He was a wonderful custie, but I realize that some guys think we do this for our own kicks./:O
Thanks, Glam
:-*
Rosemary Rabbit
10-13-2014, 12:32 PM
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Glamourmilf
10-14-2014, 12:17 AM
^^ That sounds perfect Rosemary!! Thank You so very much!:-*
I will send the e-mail, unban him, and I'll report back as to how it turns out. I have a feeling it will have a positive outcome.:crossfing
Glamourmilf
10-26-2014, 09:22 AM
^^ To follow up with that, I haven't heard back from him.
I did have another long time custie, who I banned for always taking me exclusive and clearing my room for only 2 minutes message me that he wanted me to unban. I told him to buy a block session next time.
Of course he was very apologetic, and promised not to do that anymore.
I unbanned him, he took me exclusive, and.... he left after 2 minutes!>:(
As the saying goes, "Zebras will never change their stripes!"
Oh well.:-\
Glamourmilf
11-22-2014, 09:18 AM
When dudes have the nerve to come into my chat and tell me that they are jerking their dicks and are going to come... (for free? I think not!). BAN!!39739
anonymous camgirl
11-22-2014, 03:17 PM
I decided to UNBAN everyone prior to 2014.. and guess what?? they are spending money on me, It's a brand new me..lol.. I am actually much more preferring to kick them out to train them or teach them a lesson so to speak..LOL.. That way they know they fucked up and maybe next time they will behave themselves and spend money haha
Glamourmilf
11-22-2014, 03:19 PM
Yeah, I just unbanned a few who have messaged me. They truly felt sorry and spent money on me again.
Sooo happy!
AnotherLily
11-22-2014, 03:47 PM
There is a guy that has spent about $20 over a couple of months (in tips never got a show) and everytime he's on he likes to stay in my room until I log... ugh oh and I have a dude that bought a 5 min show and now likes to peep when I'm in pvt... thinking of banning both.
SoloDesire
11-22-2014, 04:13 PM
There is a guy that has spent about $20 over a couple of months (in tips never got a show) and everytime he's on he likes to stay in my room until I log... ugh oh and I have a dude that bought a 5 min show and now likes to peep when I'm in pvt... thinking of banning both.
I always ban guys who peep into my private shows, no matter how much they've spent before. They're still trying to get something for free...bullshit. I banned a guy who was a 3 the other day for popping in and out (before he got charged) to several of my shows in one day. I don't care who you are or how much you've spent...that's disrespectful and I don't tolerate it.
anonymous camgirl
11-22-2014, 04:27 PM
Why don't you give them a time out?? I give them a timeout the rest of the year til January..LOL...
I always ban guys who peep into my private shows, no matter how much they've spent before. They're still trying to get something for free...bullshit. I banned a guy who was a 3 the other day for popping in and out (before he got charged) to several of my shows in one day. I don't care who you are or how much you've spent...that's disrespectful and I don't tolerate it.
SoloDesire
11-22-2014, 05:40 PM
Why don't you give them a time out?? I give them a timeout the rest of the year til January..LOL...
Well yeah, I usually go back and unban them later. And every year or so I'll unblock my whole list...mostly for shits and giggles because most of them get blocked again lol.
Glamourmilf
11-22-2014, 08:01 PM
I've got catching 'peepers' down to a science now.39740
anonymous camgirl
11-22-2014, 09:38 PM
Isn't that funny.. all week each guy I see I recognize their name way back when.. and I do a show with them or talk in free chat and I think to myself.. OHHH you are one of them, One of the guys I unblocked for being such an asshole you grate on my nerves..ohhh I did re-block a few myself.. but now that I have that L-theanine they don't get on my nerves as much!..I need that money!
Well yeah, I usually go back and unban them later. And every year or so I'll unblock my whole list...mostly for shits and giggles because most of them get blocked again lol.
Glamourmilf
12-06-2014, 10:18 AM
EVERY guy who messages me to find out why I blocked him comes back and does the SAME thing I banned him for!!
Prussia
12-06-2014, 05:44 PM
Clearly I am all for banning. I don't even think twice about it. Goodbye, go be a troll/lurker/beggar/cheapskate/weirdo somewhere else. I don't have time to waste on that shit. I have time to make money.
I also mute all the free chat users and I never have that window open. Fuck you and your broke ass. Sign up and spend money if you want to talk to me.
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hyori
12-06-2014, 08:04 PM
I used to be really lenient but now I ban the following:
Timewasters, stalkers, mysogynists, no audio fucktards, guys who promise to come back and spend, guys who ask for gold shows, guys with really stupid names, guys who say i am too expensive, guys who say nothing for more than three appearences, guys who have bought a show and think i owe them my life, fake paypiggies, guys who ask for bestiality/pedophilia/pee/poo, racists and ones who annoy me for no reason at all. Surprisingly, it is only about one ban a week.
Prussia
12-06-2014, 08:37 PM
Yes hyori, exactly! Whoops how could I forgot to mention all those wastes of life in my list above? ::)
CurvyWinona
12-06-2014, 08:46 PM
I ban guys who tell me they can hear me fine, so I can talk. Just a wtf command and it insults me. I cannot talk. lol. Fuck those guys.
hyori
12-06-2014, 10:16 PM
Yes hyori, exactly! Whoops how could I forgot to mention all those wastes of life in my list above? ::)
It should be called a filter button. We are not really banning, we are just netting the good fish from the throwbacks.
Glamourmilf
12-07-2014, 06:54 AM
^^I like that! A 'filter' button. I have over 1000 people banned.
I send them this in auto text right before I ban them.
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Glamourmilf
12-26-2014, 07:46 AM
Bumping this because things are getting back to normal in camming world, so I am not banning as much as during the summer when the 'freaks' only seem to come out then.(for me anyway).
I've actually been tolerant and let guys stay in my room, because a lot do eventually buy, as it turns out.
Even guys I have blocked a month or so ago, are messaging me as to why. They then apologize, and will buy a show once I unban.
I now will only ban if someone has a illegal request, or is harassing me in chat--I kick, then if they still come back, and do the same s..t, I block.
How are You doing with your banning?
anonymous camgirl
12-26-2014, 08:51 AM
I banned 40 guys yesterday for beggin on Christmas.. that's where I draw the line.. you are going to make me work for free on Christmas of all fucking days.. fuck off nigga....lol.....I did my best to warn them with a quick text .. but still .. an asshole is an asshole no matter if you warn them or not.. it was the highlight of my day!
Marina Starr
12-26-2014, 09:35 AM
I've been on SM for over three years and I've only banned 711. I plan to reach 1000 before the year's over. I want to start 2015 fresh!
I banned 40 guys yesterday for beggin on Christmas.. that's where I draw the line.. you are going to make me work for free on Christmas of all fucking days.. fuck off nigga....lol.....I did my best to warn them with a quick text .. but still .. an asshole is an asshole no matter if you warn them or not.. it was the highlight of my day!
anonymous camgirl
12-26-2014, 03:23 PM
I guess you just have more patience??..lol
I've been on SM for over three years and I've only banned 711. I plan to reach 1000 before the year's over. I want to start 2015 fresh!