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JaneBurgess
09-28-2014, 10:46 AM
Damn it, now I want candy



A little something to lighten the mood in here...I hope?

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/163/951/M-MsRacist.gif

TheBrownFox
09-28-2014, 10:51 AM
^^^ The 'period' picture u got here Fox is giving me creeps, ewwww, i have imagination & sensitive stomach, u mind changing it pls? Ty!
*sigh* I guess I'll change it. Lol.

luvnrockets
09-28-2014, 01:49 PM
*sigh* I guess I'll change it. Lol.

Boo. I kinda liked that thing lol.

brownsugardoll
09-28-2014, 02:18 PM
^^ I suppose it's time to invest in an ejaculating dildo.

Huh? Are you replying to what I just wrote or someone else. If so, I don't understand why comment directed to what I just wrote don't make sense unless just I'm bad right now with sense of humor :)

loveshooks
09-28-2014, 02:42 PM
Boo. I kinda liked that thing lol.

me too :(


Huh? Are you replying to what I just wrote or someone else. If so, I don't understand why comment directed to what I just wrote don't make sense unless just I'm bad right now with sense of humor :)

I think the ejaculating dildo remark was in reference to the links posted by Phat that you quoted. The links lay out the most popular search terms and 'creampie' was at the top.

edit: Kayden beat me to it :)

luvnrockets
09-28-2014, 04:31 PM
Huh? Are you replying to what I just wrote or someone else. If so, I don't understand why comment directed to what I just wrote don't make sense unless just I'm bad right now with sense of humor :)

Sorry, it was meant for the first of your two posts, in response to the Pornhub thing about "creampie" being so commonly searched.

Alternatively, I can find a guy to fuck on cam, which would also make my forearm hurt less.

LaPetiteVierge
09-28-2014, 07:33 PM
For the sake of touching on color-blindness and how it's problematic, here's an excerpt from Jona Olsson's "Spotting, for Cultural Bridges":
http://i.imgur.com/k9fST0U.jpg
You can see a larger excerpt here:
https://www.stcloudstate.edu/affirmativeaction/resources/insights/pdf/28ToolsChange.pdf

SarahTime
09-28-2014, 08:40 PM
For the sake of touching on color-blindness and how it's problematic, here's an excerpt from Jona Olsson's "Spotting, for Cultural Bridges":
http://i.imgur.com/k9fST0U.jpg
You can see a larger excerpt here:
https://www.stcloudstate.edu/affirmativeaction/resources/insights/pdf/28ToolsChange.pdf

I just.... yah.

I had a whole reply typed out about how completely off this statement is but... I'm not going to go there.

It's been a good discussion. :)

justanothercamgirl
09-28-2014, 09:37 PM
For the sake of touching on color-blindness and how it's problematic, here's an excerpt from Jona Olsson's "Spotting, for Cultural Bridges":
http://i.imgur.com/k9fST0U.jpg
You can see a larger excerpt here:
https://www.stcloudstate.edu/affirmativeaction/resources/insights/pdf/28ToolsChange.pdf

Unlike SarahTime who is WAY smarter then me, I am totally going to go there. But I hope you know the reason I am going there is to try and get a better understanding of the situation.

When I say I am colorblind it doesn't have anything to do with my assuming that other people aren't being judged. I am saying that I just can't wrap my head around the fact that anyone would judge anyone based on any outside factor. It just doesn't compute to me as it isn't my own personal reality.

The statement 'by saying that you don't see color means that you don't see your whiteness' baffles me! I see my whiteness and the privilege it brings, I can also see my thinness and the privilege it brings, my youth and the privilege it brings, my big breasts and the privilege it brings....and a million other things.

While I don't deny that someone saying they are colorblind could be used as a defense mechanism to shut down a conversation....this still doesn't stop me from being baffled how saying that you yourself are colorblind and see people as people and have a hard time wrapping your mind around how other people can be judgmental jerks is saying I don't see my whiteness?

It isn't just race I use this statement for either, I will say I have a blindness towards people's sexuality. Being bisexual to me people are people and love is love.

Anyone who wants to please set me straight on this, because I really don't get it at all. I am completely open to listening to anyone's point of view one why I am wrong. I truly do want to understand.

scarletl
09-29-2014, 05:17 AM
For the sake of touching on color-blindness and how it's problematic, here's an excerpt from Jona Olsson's "Spotting, for Cultural Bridges":
http://i.imgur.com/k9fST0U.jpg
You can see a larger excerpt here:
https://www.stcloudstate.edu/affirmativeaction/resources/insights/pdf/28ToolsChange.pdf

I don't agree with all of the above statement.
"Statements like these assume that people of colour are just like you; white. that they have the same dreams, standards, problems and peeves that you do"

Well in my opinion whether you are black or white each and every single being in this world has different dreams, standards, problems and peeves. It's not the colour of your skin that makes the two different, it's being human. You will find a million white people have all those differences and you will find a million black people who have those differences too.

"This denies people of colours experience of racism and your experience of privilege"

My take on this is that , whilst I can appreciate and sympathize with the fact that people of colour suffer from racism far more than white people do. But white people can also be at the other end of racism. Please don't think SOME people of colour do not throw rude and racist remarks towards white people, because some do. I've witnessed it and I have received it.

Correct me if I am taking the above statement the wrong way but when I read that one sentence it makes me think that this is a form of playing the martyr and the woe is me. It almost sounds like I am a person of colour which means I suffer from racism and I am far less fortunate than those white people who experience privilege and we don't. (But again I may have taken the statement above in the wrong way)
Almost like a race card statement.

I will be honest and say that I do get extremely sensitive to the idea of race card and when I feel is what's going on because I once got in some serious shit for someone playing the race card on me.

I remember when I was at school and I was only 8 or 9 years old. I have never been brought up in a racist environment and neither was I taught to treat people of colour any different to me. I remember one day being at school in the lunch hall and I was sitting with my friend and we was talking and messing around and across the table was a black girl with her friend (we didn't know them, they we're from a different year to us).
As kids do they talk and they whisper and I was whispering to my friend, absolutely nothing about this girls opposite me at all.

They didn't say nothing, they sat there, finished lunched and went. Within the next hour I was being dragged out of my class and being screamed at in my face by a teacher and accused of being racists. Accused of talking about the girl of colour and being racists. That all come from a simple messing around with my friend, nothing to do with racism at all.
The teacher did not take my word that I wasn't being racist, she did not take any of that on board, she screamed so hard in my face and gave me detention.

All because this girl had been taught by her parents to play the race card, she had clearly been taught that she is different and if she ever feels like people are making fun of her, dis-including her or anything....just blame it on your skin colour.

Till this day I still am disgusted when people play the race card when racism is not even being presented.

luvnrockets
09-29-2014, 05:27 AM
It's totally ok to describe oneself as "colorblind," but let's be real here: nobody is ACTUALLY colorblind. If you see someone that is from a different race in a group, you will definitely notice that they are different. Likewise, if you're the only white person in a group of black folks, they will notice you as "the white person."

What the quote is trying to say is that it is normal to notice such things and it is necessary to notice such things. The socio-economic implications of one's race have nothing to do with one's personal feeling of "not caring what one's race is." I certainly don't consider one's race to be a factor in deciding how to judge a person, but saying that "race doesn't matter," and "I don't see colors" is not a very progressive thing to say. It's alright to say on a personal level, but not on a societal one.

And this thread is about society's view on race, particularly it's effects on camgirls (or maybe it isn't anymore, it's gone to hell and back lol).

"Color consciousness does not equal racism." --- We have a HUGE problem with realizing this in the US. We are too afraid to talk about race. Idiots like to think that racism magically disappeared when we elected a black president (but he's a Muslim! But he's Kenyan! But he's Hitler!), but idiots are idiots, and we have way too many of them voting in this country.

luvnrockets
09-29-2014, 05:39 AM
I don't agree with all of the above statement.
"Statements like these assume that people of colour are just like you; white. that they have the same dreams, standards, problems and peeves that you do"

Well in my opinion whether you are black or white each and every single being in this world has different dreams, standards, problems and peeves. It's not the colour of your skin that makes the two different, it's being human. You will find a million white people have all those differences and you will find a million black people who have those differences too.

"This denies people of colours experience of racism and your experience of privilege"

My take on this is that , whilst I can appreciate and sympathize with the fact that people of colour suffer from racism far more than white people do. But white people can also be at the other end of racism. Please don't think SOME people of colour do not throw rude and racist remarks towards white people, because some do. I've witnessed it and I have received it.

Correct me if I am taking the above statement the wrong way but when I read that one sentence it makes me think that this is a form of playing the martyr and the woe is me. It almost sounds like I am a person of colour which means I suffer from racism and I am far less fortunate than those white people who experience privilege and we don't. (But again I may have taken the statement above in the wrong way)
Almost like a race card statement.

I will be honest and say that I do get extremely sensitive to the idea of race card and when I feel is what's going on because I once got in some serious shit for someone playing the race card on me.

I remember when I was at school and I was only 8 or 9 years old. I have never been brought up in a racist environment and neither was I taught to treat people of colour any different to me. I remember one day being at school in the lunch hall and I was sitting with my friend and we was talking and messing around and across the table was a black girl with her friend (we didn't know them, they we're from a different year to us).
As kids do they talk and they whisper and I was whispering to my friend, absolutely nothing about this girls opposite me at all.

They didn't say nothing, they sat there, finished lunched and went. Within the next hour I was being dragged out of my class and being screamed at in my face by a teacher and accused of being racists. Accused of talking about the girl of colour and being racists. That all come from a simple messing around with my friend, nothing to do with racism at all.
The teacher did not take my word that I wasn't being racist, she did not take any of that on board, she screamed so hard in my face and gave me detention.

All because this girl had been taught by her parents to play the race card, she had clearly been taught that she is different and if she ever feels like people are making fun of her, dis-including her or anything....just blame it on your skin colour.

Till this day I still am disgusted when people play the race card when racism is not even being presented.

Racism from blacks on whites exists. Of course it does. When you're oppressed, you end up hating your oppressor. We all worship Nelson Mandela cause we all wanna be like him, but let's be real, most of us are not that selfless.

But racism towards whites is not a systemic, pressing issue. Racism towards blacks, at least in the US, is seen in every fucking aspect of society. You don't see that the other way around.

Something that stood out to me in this department was when I heard a lecture on helping minority groups eat better food (or something like that), and the lecturer mentioned that black kids (at black or mostly-black schools) did not want to eat the healthy foods like salad and such, because it was "too white." This was shocking to me, and a realization that it can be more important to not be like your oppressor in any way than to make healthy personal choices.

I don't call that kind of thing "reverse racism." It's a defense mechanism against centuries of oppression. I don't believe all black kids are brought up to "hate the white man" but pretty much every black person in the US has been the victim of racism in some way or another, no matter how wealthy or educated or suburban (*cough* Treyvon Martin *cough*) they are.

scarletl
09-29-2014, 05:39 AM
It's totally ok to describe oneself as "colorblind," but let's be real here: nobody is ACTUALLY colorblind. If you see someone that is from a different race in a group, you will definitely notice that they are different. Likewise, if you're the only white person in a group of black folks, they will notice you as "the white person."

What the quote is trying to say is that it is normal to notice such things and it is necessary to notice such things. The socio-economic implications of one's race have nothing to do with one's personal feeling of "not caring what one's race is." I certainly don't consider one's race to be a factor in deciding how to judge a person, but saying that "race doesn't matter," and "I don't see colors" is not a very progressive thing to say. It's alright to say on a personal level, but not on a societal one.

And this thread is about society's view on race, particularly it's effects on camgirls (or maybe it isn't anymore, it's gone to hell and back lol).

"Color consciousness does not equal racism." --- We have a HUGE problem with realizing this in the US. We are too afraid to talk about race. Idiots like to think that racism magically disappeared when we elected a black president (but he's a Muslim! But he's Kenyan! But he's Hitler!), but idiots are idiots, and we have way too many of them voting in this country.

Yeah you're right!
None of us are colourblind at all. I have never claimed to be lol. But at the same time I like to get my point across to people of colour and recognize that I don't see them any different to white people, in terms of I won't treat them different because of colour.

I think many white people do become afraid or confused to know what term to use. Some of us never know whether we are being racist by referring to someone as black or someone as colour. Because we don't know if that will be taken as racism or not. Because there are many black people out there who will use the race card and because we are aware of that, we tread very carefully.

I was reading the paper this morning and their was a piece in the paper about the Matalan shop. They were selling children's onsie's of different themes or animals. There was 5 kids in the picture in which two of those we're black. It just so happened that they put the monkey themed suits on the black children and the white children we're in other themes like fairies, elephant etc. The feature in the paper consisted of a selection of people of colour feeling disgusted and hurt by this. Feeling like it was racism.
I don't believe for one second Matalan would ruin their brand to deliberately do this through racism. This could have simply been a case of they allowed the children to pick which suit they wanted to wear....who knows?
It's things like this where I feel it is playing a race card, things like this are noticed so much more and taken in a really bad way.

Which is what makes white people extremely cautious in what they say and not want to discuss racism incase they say something that is taken the totally wrong way.

scarletl
09-29-2014, 05:45 AM
Racism from blacks on whites exists. Of course it does. When you're oppressed, you end up hating your oppressor. We all worship Nelson Mandela cause we all wanna be like him, but let's be real, most of us are not that selfless.

But racism towards whites is not a systemic, pressing issue. Racism towards blacks, at least in the US, is seen in every fucking aspect of society. You don't see that the other way around.

Something that stood out to me in this department was when I heard a lecture on helping minority groups eat better food (or something like that), and the lecturer mentioned that black kids (at black or mostly-black schools) did not want to eat the healthy foods like salad and such, because it was "too white." This was shocking to me, and a realization that it can be more important to not be like your oppressor in any way than to make healthy personal choices.

I don't call that kind of thing "reverse racism." It's a defense mechanism against centuries of oppression. I don't believe all black kids are brought up to "hate the white man" but pretty much every black person in the US has been the victim of racism in some way or another, no matter how wealthy or educated or suburban (*cough* Treyvon Martin *cough*) they are.

Yeah I mean it's a strong case of there are many racist people out there who will be abusive and racist and then it paints all white people as racist.
It may very well be different in the US and I may well live in a cardboard box in the UK (I'm a cam girl of course I live in a cardboard box lol)
but racism in the UK doesn't seem that strong or plays a role. In terms of we don't hear about it in the media. I don't currently have any black friends (or many friends for that matter lol) so I don't hear or witness it happening. I don't hear about it on the news, so I assume in the UK maybe we are not that racist as the US? Or maybe we are more strict? Usually racism incidents are brought into the media and it's extremely rare I hear of it.

justanothercamgirl
09-29-2014, 06:31 AM
It's totally ok to describe oneself as "colorblind," but let's be real here: nobody is ACTUALLY colorblind. If you see someone that is from a different race in a group, you will definitely notice that they are different. Likewise, if you're the only white person in a group of black folks, they will notice you as "the white person."

What the quote is trying to say is that it is normal to notice such things and it is necessary to notice such things. The socio-economic implications of one's race have nothing to do with one's personal feeling of "not caring what one's race is." I certainly don't consider one's race to be a factor in deciding how to judge a person, but saying that "race doesn't matter," and "I don't see colors" is not a very progressive thing to say. It's alright to say on a personal level, but not on a societal one.

And this thread is about society's view on race, particularly it's effects on camgirls (or maybe it isn't anymore, it's gone to hell and back lol).

"Color consciousness does not equal racism." --- We have a HUGE problem with realizing this in the US. We are too afraid to talk about race. Idiots like to think that racism magically disappeared when we elected a black president (but he's a Muslim! But he's Kenyan! But he's Hitler!), but idiots are idiots, and we have way too many of them voting in this country.

I can totally understand saying that "race doesn't matter," and "I don't see colors" could be considered not a very progressive thing to say. But where I get lost is that also included in being harmful thing to say was 'People are people and we are all just human."

Here is an example of why it confuses me, if a man says to a women that he considers both men and women 'to be equal' (people are people and we are all just human beings) does that mean that he is denying his experience of male privilege and denying my experience of sexism?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-29-2014, 06:45 AM
Whenever I hear a person say "I'm colorblind" I just take a deep breath before I respond. Or I just don't respond at all. I don't hate them for it or disregard them as a human being. I just keep it moving. In the past whenever I call bullshit they get overly offended because I tried to let them know that it's okay to recognize differences. That's just one of my tiny pet peeves.

Back to race and camming...yesterday was the worst day I've had in a very long time. Usually Sundays are stellar days for me. I got called nigger 4 times yesterday. 4 times. One request to be a Mammy. And then finally before I said fuck it and took a break a guy who has come in my room for weeks but never tips or buys told me "Girl please yo black ass ain't getting 5 a min." And I have seen this screen name spend in other cammers feedback. He was definitely using that as a weapon against me. He wanted to hurt me and make me feel devalued because I take pride in myself. Usually I have a thick skin, but yesterday was brutal. I had a death in the family recently and I'm still working through that and at times my exterior may falter. I can't imagine what camming is like for people with serious esteem issues? I know we all get insults thrown at us but that last one got to me because I think that person was also black.

scarletl
09-29-2014, 06:53 AM
Back to race and camming...yesterday was the worst day I've had in a very long time. Usually Sundays are stellar days for me. I got called nigger 4 times yesterday. 4 times. One request to be a Mammy. And then finally before I said fuck it and took a break a guy who has come in my room for weeks but never tips or buys told me "Girl please yo black ass ain't getting 5 a min." And I have seen this screen name spend in other cammers feedback. He was definitely using that as a weapon against me. He wanted to hurt me and make me feel devalued because I take pride in myself. Usually I have a thick skin, but yesterday was brutal. I had a death in the family recently and I'm still working through that and at times my exterior may falter. I can't imagine what camming is like for people with serious esteem issues? I know we all get insults thrown at us but that last one got to me because I think that person was also black.

I'm sorry to hear that you had to deal with this utter crap. It's pure little boy behavior.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-29-2014, 07:06 AM
I'm sorry to hear that you had to deal with this utter crap. It's pure little boy behavior.

Thank you. Today is a new day and I just washed away yesterday by writing about it here. Im just gonna keep it moving.

justanothercamgirl
09-29-2014, 07:30 AM
Whenever I hear a person say "I'm colorblind" I just take a deep breath before I respond. Or I just don't respond at all. I don't hate them for it or disregard them as a human being. I just keep it moving. In the past whenever I call bullshit they get overly offended because I tried to let them know that it's okay to recognize differences. That's just one of my tiny pet peeves.

If you take offense to the statement, "I'm colorblind" I have no problem removing it from my vocabulary. I certainly don't want to offend anyone!

I guess the logical problem comes for me when people say "it is okay to recognize differences". To me, *everyone* is going to have some aspect that makes them different than me (being fatter, thinner, smarter, from another country...etc) so I don't get how some differences are 'more different' then other differences. I am not sure if that makes any sense at all.


Back to race and camming...yesterday was the worst day I've had in a very long time. Usually Sundays are stellar days for me. I got called nigger 4 times yesterday. 4 times. One request to be a Mammy. And then finally before I said fuck it and took a break a guy who has come in my room for weeks but never tips or buys told me "Girl please yo black ass ain't getting 5 a min." And I have seen this screen name spend in other cammers feedback. He was definitely using that as a weapon against me. He wanted to hurt me and make me feel devalued because I take pride in myself. Usually I have a thick skin, but yesterday was brutal. I had a death in the family recently and I'm still working through that and at times my exterior may falter. I can't imagine what camming is like for people with serious esteem issues? I know we all get insults thrown at us but that last one got to me because I think that person was also black.

I am so sorry, it breaks my heart to have to think of you going through such abuse. You are such an amazing person. <3

Sunnylexie
09-29-2014, 07:37 AM
Well back to the topic: I'm racially ambiguous/exotic, but not like it's bringing me more money: rather more stupid questions like "What race you are?" or "Are you asian?" (dang, does my race matter at all if you can't even tell what it is? Or you can only jack off to something you have put a label on?). There's no good answer: they take a "no" as a lie because even with my wavy and somewhat reddish hair, white skin and no epicantal folds I don't look completely Caucasian; and when I say "yes" they start bitching about my rates and talking to me like I'm mentally impaired.

loveshooks
09-29-2014, 09:08 AM
I can totally understand saying that "race doesn't matter," and "I don't see colors" could be considered not a very progressive thing to say. But where I get lost is that also included in being harmful thing to say was 'People are people and we are all just human."

Here is an example of why it confuses me, if a man says to a women that he considers both men and women 'to be equal' (people are people and we are all just human beings) does that mean that he is denying his experience of male privilege and denying my experience of sexism?

The old "I don't see color" line tends to arise when white peeps are uncomfortable with a discussion about their own set of unearned privilege over racialized individuals. It's a way of separating ourselves from culpability in the dynamics of power and oppression that we're all born into, we're all affected by either to our benefit or detriment. To provide a bit of context to illustrate my point, watch a man attend a pro-choice rally or take back the night march and say "I don't get why we're all here, I think men and women are equal" and laugh at the result.

To see/appreciate color is to appreciate that our bodies are embodiments of systems of power and oppression. To not 'see color' is to negate the very real issues that racialized individuals experience that are unique to and separate from all the other very real challenges that peeps of every ancestry and skin tone face as part of being human. Social race isn't just another descriptive marker like body size/shape, it's a set of unique privileges and challenges woven into the fabric of our society. The barriers set in place for racialized peeps go back generations all the way up to the present day and that legacy has a cumulative effect that only magnifies the resulting inequality. To not 'see' that is to choose willful blindness.

Beyond that, issues of gender inequality are much different than issues of race-based inequality, and when comparing issues such as annual income levels, education levels and incarceration rates white women come out ahead over Black and Hispanic men on pretty much every marker. On pretty much every issue other than reproductive rights and domestic violence the tired old male/female binary is extinct, when analyzing stats with social race included a much clearer picture is revealed*. One can say 'men and women are equal' because in a lot of ways, well we've worked hard as a society to achieve that. When it comes to addressing social race-based inequality we're not so far ahead.

*dealing in N.A based stats here, not attempting to paint the entire global population with one brush.


Whenever I hear a person say "I'm colorblind" I just take a deep breath before I respond. Or I just don't respond at all. I don't hate them for it or disregard them as a human being. I just keep it moving

you have a lot more patience than me. My condolences on the loss of your family member, wishing you easy $$$$ absent the assholes for the rest of the day.

As to the issue of 'playing the race card', funny how that line only comes up when peeps are trying to discuss issues of race and racism. Beyond being intellectually lazy it's a form of silencing that presents the other face of 'not seeing color'.

luvnrockets
09-29-2014, 09:30 AM
^^^ THIS TIMES A MILLION.

You really have a way with words. I hope you know how much. :)

Blovely
09-29-2014, 09:40 AM
The old "I don't see color" line tends to arise when white peeps are uncomfortable with a discussion about their own set of unearned privilege over racialized individuals. It's a way of separating ourselves from culpability in the dynamics of power and oppression that we're all born into, we're all affected by either to our benefit or detriment. To provide a bit of context to illustrate my point, watch a man attend a pro-choice rally or take back the night march and say "I don't get why we're all here, I think men and women are equal" and laugh at the result.

To see/appreciate color is to appreciate that our bodies are embodiments of systems of power and oppression. To not 'see color' is to negate the very real issues that racialized individuals experience that are unique to and separate from all the other very real challenges that peeps of every ancestry and skin tone face as part of being human. Social race isn't just another descriptive marker like body size/shape, it's a set of unique privileges and challenges woven into the fabric of our society. The barriers set in place for racialized peeps go back generations all the way up to the present day and that legacy has a cumulative effect that only magnifies the resulting inequality. To not 'see' that is to choose willful blindness.

As to the issue of 'playing the race card', funny how that line only comes up when peeps are trying to discuss issues of race and racism. Beyond being intellectually lazy it's a form of silencing that presents the other face of 'not seeing color'.
http://www.silveryhat.com/fun_pix/data/129157477066831452.gif
This is exactly what I was thinking especially the bold but I couldn't put it into words.

SpaceyLaceyButterfacey
09-29-2014, 10:03 AM
*sigh* I guess I'll change it. Lol.

I have to say TheBrownFox, it was TOTALLY gross!! LMAO I dont care but it was such a BIG picture hahaha Justin is so much better <3

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 10:47 AM
I don't agree with all of the above statement.
"Statements like these assume that people of colour are just like you; white. that they have the same dreams, standards, problems and peeves that you do"

Well in my opinion whether you are black or white each and every single being in this world has different dreams, standards, problems and peeves. It's not the colour of your skin that makes the two different, it's being human. You will find a million white people have all those differences and you will find a million black people who have those differences too.
The difference race, ethnicity, nationality, etc makes is that we are all culturally different. Race is not just "black" and "white. BLACK isn't just one group of people much the same as white isn't. There are Jamaicans, Haitians, Bajans, Bahamians, Grenadians, Nigerians, Kenyans, Somalians, Ethiopians, Atis, Siddis, Yuuris, Murris, and thousands more "black" cultures. Much the same, there's Irish, Scottish, French, Finnish, Dutch, German, British, and a shit ton of Anglos. By saying you "don't see color", you say you don't see the cultural differences of people and nullify those attributes of people in your decisive blindness.


"This denies people of colours experience of racism and your experience of privilege"

My take on this is that , whilst I can appreciate and sympathize with the fact that people of colour suffer from racism far more than white people do. But white people can also be at the other end of racism. Please don't think SOME people of colour do not throw rude and racist remarks towards white people, because some do. I've witnessed it and I have received it.
Prejudice behavior is existent in every reach of human existence in this world. Even people of color can be racist to one another. An example of this is that Haitians and perceived Haitians (darkskinned people of color) are being slaughtered (literally beheaded and lynched) in the Dominican Republic. Dominicans are mostly Afro-Latinos (the direct result of interracial relations between Europeans and Africans) and the lot of them have distanced themselves from their blackness in an attempt to associate in large part with whiteness. Literally. Seriously.
People of color are generally disposed to negative perspectives of white people because they've been subjected to racism. It's a reaction. I didn't read luvnrockets responses about this in their entirety, but I believe she correctly spoke on this. It's not bore out of a hatred for white skin, a hatred of white culture, a farce assumption of stereotypical behaviors of white people. It's bore out of a disgust for colonialism, white oppression/privilege/supremacy, and the continued maltreatment of people of color by white people since the dawn of British colonization from the United States to South East Asia to South Africa and onward.


Correct me if I am taking the above statement the wrong way but when I read that one sentence it makes me think that this is a form of playing the martyr and the woe is me. It almost sounds like I am a person of colour which means I suffer from racism and I am far less fortunate than those white people who experience privilege and we don't. (But again I may have taken the statement above in the wrong way)
Almost like a race card statement.

You're incorrect. It's not matyrdom nor "woe is me". It's reality. The reality is that people of color experience racism, are far less fortunate than white people (all of whom benefit from white privilege and systemic racism), and they do not share in those same benefits in large part UNLESS they are white passing or have assimilated in whiteness. That's not a victim complex. Again, it's reality.


I will be honest and say that I do get extremely sensitive to the idea of race card and when I feel is what's going on because I once got in some serious shit for someone playing the race card on me.

I remember when I was at school and I was only 8 or 9 years old. I have never been brought up in a racist environment and neither was I taught to treat people of colour any different to me. I remember one day being at school in the lunch hall and I was sitting with my friend and we was talking and messing around and across the table was a black girl with her friend (we didn't know them, they we're from a different year to us).
As kids do they talk and they whisper and I was whispering to my friend, absolutely nothing about this girls opposite me at all.

They didn't say nothing, they sat there, finished lunched and went. Within the next hour I was being dragged out of my class and being screamed at in my face by a teacher and accused of being racists. Accused of talking about the girl of colour and being racists. That all come from a simple messing around with my friend, nothing to do with racism at all.
The teacher did not take my word that I wasn't being racist, she did not take any of that on board, she screamed so hard in my face and gave me detention.

All because this girl had been taught by her parents to play the race card, she had clearly been taught that she is different and if she ever feels like people are making fun of her, dis-including her or anything....just blame it on your skin colour.

Till this day I still am disgusted when people play the race card when racism is not even being presented.
You're letting an experience from at least ten years ago be the defining factor for how you perceive racism and people of color. That's your personal issue. Simply because a child in elementary school mistook you "messing around" and whispering to your friend as likely speaking degradingly about them and you got punished for something you did not do does not mean that every instance in the reality of situations and circumstances for people of color feeling oppressed or disenfranchised is them "playing the race card".
Do you know what that terminology is bore out of? That terminology of "playing the race card"? It's bore out of the ideology that when a person of color complains about their transgressions, they're being typical and prima donna about their suffrage and should just get in line and deal with it. It's bore out of a construct that suggests people of color endure prejudice and keep quiet about it because no one cares how they feel and they're rightfully subjected to their struggles. They deserve it. The justification for it is usually in xenophobic (anti-immigration), economic (anti-public assistance), or perceived inherent criminalism ("visible minorities commit more crimes than white people") and therefore all instances of prejudice met with outcry and outrage are typical belligerent, nonsensical, and animalistic behavior.

You have said you "fortunately don't see colour", but it's very obvious that you do and generally assume that those of whom are of color, experience racism, and talk about it are "pulling the race card" and feel like "woe is them".

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 10:51 AM
Whenever I hear a person say "I'm colorblind" I just take a deep breath before I respond. Or I just don't respond at all. I don't hate them for it or disregard them as a human being. I just keep it moving. In the past whenever I call bullshit they get overly offended because I tried to let them know that it's okay to recognize differences. That's just one of my tiny pet peeves.
Same. It's a microaggression of mine as well, but I figured it'd be beneficial to give insight on why it was an issue rather than having a continued annoyance for


Back to race and camming...yesterday was the worst day I've had in a very long time. Usually Sundays are stellar days for me. I got called nigger 4 times yesterday. 4 times. One request to be a Mammy. And then finally before I said fuck it and took a break a guy who has come in my room for weeks but never tips or buys told me "Girl please yo black ass ain't getting 5 a min." And I have seen this screen name spend in other cammers feedback. He was definitely using that as a weapon against me. He wanted to hurt me and make me feel devalued because I take pride in myself. Usually I have a thick skin, but yesterday was brutal. I had a death in the family recently and I'm still working through that and at times my exterior may falter. I can't imagine what camming is like for people with serious esteem issues? I know we all get insults thrown at us but that last one got to me because I think that person was also black.

I am so so so so sorry for what you had to deal with and I'm also so sorry for your loss. I'm sending so many hugs, kisses, and good vibes your way. You don't deserve that. No one deserves that. It's insane that we're in 2014 and suffer racism and anti-blackness, especially from within our community of people. That makes me sick to my stomach. A better day will come and I know and can tell you're tough enough to see through the bullshit.

TheBrownFox
09-29-2014, 10:52 AM
Boo. I kinda liked that thing lol.
I think that Skeet Ulrich guy is adorable. Lol. And I just figured that photo would be cool on a forum like this (where we talk about what to do during the time of the month...lol).

TheBrownFox
09-29-2014, 10:53 AM
I have to say TheBrownFox, it was TOTALLY gross!! LMAO I dont care but it was such a BIG picture hahaha Justin is so much better <3
Justin Timberlake is the love of my life. Lol.

scarletl
09-29-2014, 10:56 AM
You're incorrect. It's not matyrdom nor "woe is me". It's reality. The reality is that people of color experience racism, are far less fortunate than white people (all of whom benefit from white privilege and systemic racism), and they do not share in those same benefits in large part UNLESS they are white passing or have assimilated in whiteness. That's not a victim complex. Again, it's reality.

You have said you "fortunately don't see colour", but it's very obvious that you do and generally assume that those of whom are of color, experience racism, and talk about it are "pulling the race card" and feel like "woe is them".

I would like to correct your last comment, I don't think that people who speak of racism or their experience are pulling a race card. I said some people do and some situations appear that way. Not everyone and not every situation.

To your above comment and this is out of personal interest. From your own life experience what benefits or privileges do you feel white people have over people of colour? What do you feel white people benefit from that you feel you personally as a woman of colour cannot benefit from, because of your race?

TheBrownFox
09-29-2014, 11:03 AM
I got called nigger 4 times yesterday. 4 times. One request to be a Mammy. And then finally before I said fuck it and took a break a guy who has come in my room for weeks but never tips or buys told me "Girl please yo black ass ain't getting 5 a min." And I have seen this screen name spend in other cammers feedback. He was definitely using that as a weapon against me. He wanted to hurt me and make me feel devalued because I take pride in myself. Usually I have a thick skin, but yesterday was brutal. I had a death in the family recently and I'm still working through that and at times my exterior may falter. I can't imagine what camming is like for people with serious esteem issues? I know we all get insults thrown at us but that last one got to me because I think that person was also black.
Those are things that, no matter how many times you've heard it, it still stings when you hear it again. I'm sorry you had to deal with scum of the Earth like that, and I am sorry about the death in your family. :(

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:07 AM
I was reading the paper this morning and their was a piece in the paper about the Matalan shop. They were selling children's onsie's of different themes or animals. There was 5 kids in the picture in which two of those we're black. It just so happened that they put the monkey themed suits on the black children and the white children we're in other themes like fairies, elephant etc. The feature in the paper consisted of a selection of people of colour feeling disgusted and hurt by this. Feeling like it was racism.
I don't believe for one second Matalan would ruin their brand to deliberately do this through racism. This could have simply been a case of they allowed the children to pick which suit they wanted to wear....who knows?
It's things like this where I feel it is playing a race card, things like this are noticed so much more and taken in a really bad way.
If the only two black people in an advertisement were garbed in monkey suits, then of course that's going to offend people. Are you aware of the historical significance of correlating black people to primates?

Yeah I mean it's a strong case of there are many racist people out there who will be abusive and racist and then it paints all white people as racist.
It may very well be different in the US and I may well live in a cardboard box in the UK (I'm a cam girl of course I live in a cardboard box lol)
but racism in the UK doesn't seem that strong or plays a role. In terms of we don't hear about it in the media. I don't currently have any black friends (or many friends for that matter lol) so I don't hear or witness it happening. I don't hear about it on the news, so I assume in the UK maybe we are not that racist as the US? Or maybe we are more strict? Usually racism incidents are brought into the media and it's extremely rare I hear of it.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/27/-sp-racism-on-rise-in-britain?view=desktop
Here's something with statistical data for racism in Britain.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/racism-on-the-rise-in-uk-with-1-in-3-people-admitting-prejudice-9443555.html
And here's something else with statistical data for racism in the UK.
I have both Punjabi and Jamaican friends who live in England that have endured very violent racism. My Punjabi friend specifically is Sikh and wears a turban. He got the shit beaten out of him for being mistaken for a Muslim and told to "go back to Iraq". A Jamaican friend of mine actually emigrated out of England to Canada to escape what he felt was rising racial tension between himself and white people in the area he was in. It exists.
Watch the 7 Up series and pay attention to the sole black participant (though he's biracial, they act as though he's solely black) as well as the xenophobic ideologies of one other participant as the participants age.

GlamourRouge
09-29-2014, 11:16 AM
No one literally means they don't see color by saying "I don't see color"... What they are implying with that statement is: "I see your color and differences, everyone has differences, but it doesn't matter to me because I judge people on their character and not what they look like" and if you guys want to take it any differently, that isn't that person's problem anymore. Its not denying past historical struggles of anyone, and non-white people make that statement all the time too. And lets not forget there were past historical struggles with Jewish people and Middle Eastern & Arabic people as well, and those people are white.


There isn't always a socioeconomic benefit of being a certain "color" either. Sometimes, I suppose, just like any other form of privilege like thin privilege, big boob privilege, upper middle class privilege, etc.

But I am a half white person with a very light skin tone that lived in an actual housing project for 18 years. A housing project that got so bad it had to be torn down and everyone was displaced, after I was 18 though. A housing project that I lived in when my brother was shot in the head. A housing project I was pulled over a million times in and accused of buying or selling drugs, and even illegally detained for (I have never been a drug person, sold, or bought drugs before). Living there was not laziness or a choice, it was out of necessity. Even the people who lived there, we were of that same culture so race was never a thing. I fail to see how "being white" helped me in this situation, for example. It did not.

Just because you believe lies the media tells you regarding this & other systemic "racism" doesn't mean it suddenly becomes true, and true for 100% of people.

That's all I have to say about this :)

TheBrownFox
09-29-2014, 11:22 AM
If the only two black people in an advertisement were garbed in monkey suits, then of course that's going to offend people. Are you aware of the historical significance of correlating black people to primates?
I agree. Sure, it may have been unintentional or "all in good fun," but they need to use better judgment about that sort of thing. And if that's me "playing the race card" or "being too sensitive," then so be it. I'm just tired of all the comments I see on Facebook/YouTube/blogs where people are referring to President Barack Obama AND his family as 'monkeys'. Totally uncalled for. You can dislike, badmouth, and disagree with the president all you want, but to go as far as calling that man and his family 'monkeys'...that's just hateful, and it disgusts me. I also saw that racist blog where those scumbags were talking about the Emmett Till tragedy, and how that "monkey" deserved the beating/killing that he got.

luvnrockets
09-29-2014, 11:26 AM
I think that Skeet Ulrich guy is adorable. Lol. And I just figured that photo would be cool on a forum like this (where we talk about what to do during the time of the month...lol).

I don't even know who that is, but man, the things I would do if blood play wasn't against the rules...TMI?

SarahTime
09-29-2014, 11:27 AM
nobody is ACTUALLY colorblind

Well.... SOME people are.... lol :)

Sorry carry on... :)

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:28 AM
I would like to correct your last comment, I don't think that people who speak of racism or their experience are pulling a race card. I said some people do and some situations appear that way. Not everyone and not every situation.
Okay. You come across as though you feel that way with your continued use of "race card".

To your above comment and this is out of personal interest. From your own life experience what benefits or privileges do you feel white people have over people of colour? What do you feel white people benefit from that you feel you personally as a woman of colour cannot benefit from, because of your race?
I have to prove my worth as a person of color. I have to prove to be the exception of stereotypes. I have to use an alias instead of my full name if I am to apply for a job and expect an interview, despite my name being Arabic in origin and not "ghetto". I have to straighten my hair or I won't be allowed to work a job, attend certain schools, or be in the military. I have to speak eloquently or otherwise be deemed ignorant. If I listen to rap music, I'm considered uncultured because this music sometimes uses sexist lyrics and promotes violence and drug use. However, if I listen to heavy metal and/or rock music which lyrical content also can be sexist, violent, and can promote drug use, I am "not like other black people" and my musical interests are a surprise. I am a fetish to nearly all men who are not black and not appreciated by black men. My skin is dark and it's suggested that I lighten it by "evening my skintone". My light eyes get met with questions like "Are you blind? Do you have a disease?". I have to work twice as hard to get half of what some white women get because of who I am. White people get the benefit of the doubt. Meanwhile, I live in a country where sundown towns still exist. Where black women can't join certain sororities. Where it's assumed that we all are "welfare queens", "lazy", "stupid" n*ggers. Where our respectability is a defining factor in our treatment. Where things attributed to us get ridiculed and demeaned and discarded like trash, but become the treasure of things like the fashion world or the pop music industry. If I express a problem, I'm pulling the race card. I'm unjustifiably complaining. My race is embedded in how others perceive me. Within my own race and outside of it. Thanks to both systemic and personal racism.

loveshooks
09-29-2014, 11:32 AM
Here's something with statistical data for racism in Britain.

And here's something else with statistical data for racism in the UK.
I have both Punjabi and Jamaican friends who live in England that have endured very violent racism. My Punjabi friend specifically is Sikh and wears a turban. He got the shit beaten out of him for being mistaken for a Muslim and told to "go back to Iraq". A Jamaican friend of mine actually emigrated out of England to Canada to escape what he felt was rising racial tension between himself and white people in the area he was in. It exists.
Watch the 7 Up series and pay attention to the sole black participant (though he's biracial, they act as though he's solely black) as well as the xenophobic ideologies of one other participant as the participants age.

^^^^^word

racism is a huge issue in the UK, and like in North America it's typically wrapped up in the rubric of the 'others' invading British (read: Anglo/white) society. It always makes people feel less guilty about their racism when they can pretend it's simply about protecting their society ::)

another set of useful stats, those pertaining to employment rates:

according to 2011 stats Black women in the UK have almost double the unemployment rate of white women. Pakistani/Bagladeshi women have an unemployment rate triple the rate for white women

source: Department for Work and Pensions

in a BBC article about the report found one of the women involved in the study reported that anglicizing her name resulted in a "a clear increase in interview offers"

I haven't studied racism in Britain, it took me about 5 seconds to find that link on Bing while I was waiting for a skype dude to set up his cam. Evidence revealing the effects of systemic racism is available out there for anyone who choose to read it, if they're so inclined that is.

that peeps with skin privilege aren't as aware of systemic racism as those who are the targets of these structures isn't a surprise, after all, it's easy to ignore/not see what one doesn't experience oneself. What is disappointing is that so many are so resistant to attempts to actually name what's going on. In that way silencing and minimizing experiences of racism -systemic as well as overt- allows it to persist. I know you made that point pages ago LaPetite, I just wanted to reiterate since that's become one of the main foci of discussion here.

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:32 AM
No one literally means they don't see color by saying "I don't see color"... What they are implying with that statement is: "I see your color and differences, everyone has differences, but it doesn't matter to me because I judge people on their character and not what they look like" and if you guys want to take it any differently, that isn't that person's problem anymore. Its not denying past historical struggles of anyone, and non-white people make that statement all the time too. And lets not forget there were past historical struggles with Jewish people and Middle Eastern & Arabic people as well, and those people are white.


There isn't always a socioeconomic benefit of being a certain "color" either. Sometimes, I suppose, just like any other form of privilege like thin privilege, big boob privilege, upper middle class privilege, etc.

But I am a half white person with a very light skin tone that lived in an actual housing project for 18 years. A housing project that got so bad it had to be torn down and everyone was displaced, after I was 18 though. A housing project that I lived in when my brother was shot in the head. A housing project I was pulled over a million times in and accused of buying or selling drugs, and even illegally detained for (I have never been a drug person, sold, or bought drugs before). Living there was not laziness or a choice, it was out of necessity. Even the people who lived there, we were of that same culture so race was never a thing. I fail to see how "being white" helped me in this situation, for example. It did not.

Just because you believe lies the media tells you regarding this & other systemic "racism" doesn't mean it suddenly becomes true, and true for 100% of people.

That's all I have to say about this :)
You obviously have taken upon yourself to debunk the notions of the existence of white privilege, systemic racism, and the significant role they play in people's lives and you do not care enough to see past x people had it bad enough to see that's 1. irrelevant and 2. not being contested, so there's nothing to be said to you in regards to that.
It's not media "lies". Just because you don't experience it does not at all mean it doesn't exist.

scarletl
09-29-2014, 11:33 AM
I agree. Sure, it may have been unintentional or "all in good fun," but they need to use better judgment about that sort of thing. And if that's me "playing the race card" or "being too sensitive," then so be it. I'm just tired of all the comments I see on Facebook/YouTube/blogs where people are referring to President Barack Obama AND his family as 'monkeys'. Totally uncalled for. You can dislike, badmouth, and disagree with the president all you want, but to go as far as calling that man and his family 'monkeys'...that's just hateful, and it disgusts me. I also saw that racist blog where those scumbags were talking about the Emmett Till tragedy, and how that "monkey" deserved the beating/killing that he got.

Let's look at things from a different perspective. Say the 5 children in the advert we're allowed to choose out of the 5 outfits and it just so happened that they chose those ones.
And the photographers and the photoshoot assistants was aware that it may cause a racist stir but they didn't want to take them off the kids or tell the children they had to change or swap them around because they didn't want to then be deemed as racist.

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:34 AM
^^^^^word

racism is a huge issue in the UK, and like in North America it's typically wrapped up in the rubric of the 'others' invading British (read: Anglo/white) society. It always makes people feel less guilty about their racism when they can pretend it's simply about protecting their society ::)

another set of useful stats, those pertaining to employment rates:

according to 2011 stats Black women in the UK have almost double the unemployment rate of white women. Pakistani/Bagladeshi women have an unemployment rate triple the rate for white women

source: Department for Work and Pensions

in a BBC article about the report found here (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20608039) one of the women involved in the study reported that anglicizing her name resulted in a "a clear increase in interview offers"

I haven't studied racism in Britain, it took me about 5 seconds to find that link on Bing while I was waiting for a skype dude to set up his cam. Tangible statistics that reveal the effects of systemic racism are available to anyone who choose to read 'em, if they're so inclined that is.

that peeps with skin privilege aren't as aware of systemic racism as those who are the targets of these structures isn't a surprise, after all, it's easy to ignore/not see what one doesn't experience oneself. What is disappointing is that so many are so resistant to attempts to actually name what's going on. In that way silencing and minimizing experiences of racism -systemic as well as overt- allows it to persist. I know you made that point pages ago LaPetite, I just wanted to reiterate since that's become one of the main foci of discussion here.
Please reiterate behind me lmao. I feel like I must not say shit as clearly as you do or something and I know I don't hit points like you do.
You're right on it. Thank you so much for continuing to contribute here.

GlamourRouge
09-29-2014, 11:37 AM
You obviously have taken upon yourself to debunk the notions of the existence of white privilege, systemic racism, and the significant role they play in people's lives and you do not care enough to see past x people had it bad enough to see that's 1. irrelevant and 2. not being contested, so there's nothing to be said to you in regards to that.
It's not media "lies". Just because you don't experience it does not at all mean it doesn't exist.

What you're accusing me of, is exactly what you're doing to me, by the way. You're telling me I can't "see past x people" and I'm saying you can't see past the one self-proclaimed non-privilege you may have (skin tone) to see the privileges you actually do have. That's why I am not continuing to post after this post. Its arguing two different things and using the same argument for both. Its pointless.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying EVERYONE goes through struggles and skin tone is only one of MANY things that can be used against people. Its one of literally THOUSANDS of things. And its also something not everyone cares about. Lots of people have chimed in on this thread alone saying skin tone is irrelevant to them.

I also don't get why people keep bringing up names as a form of repression. I don't have a "white" name and I have also met plenty of black people who DO have a "white" name. By "white" name I mean one that is pronounceable or is Americanized. Not EVERY white person has a white name! So that's a lame excuse. I've seen all those videos and studies before, and that is not non-white specific. A lot of "white" people go through the same thing.

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:37 AM
Let's look at things from a different perspective. Say the 5 children in the advert we're allowed to choose out of the 5 outfits and it just so happened that they chose those ones.
And the photographers and the photoshoot assistants was aware that it may cause a racist stir but they didn't want to take them off the kids or tell the children they had to change or swap them around because they didn't want to then be deemed as racist.
If that were the case and they released that information publicly, then the unrest over it can be met with better understanding and clarity. That's something that's not at all immediately clear and cannot at all be assumed.
Also, that's giving a condition to a situation in order to take insult away from injury. That's a feasible and possible hypothesis and scenario, but not always the reality of things.

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:43 AM
I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying EVERYONE goes through struggles and skin tone is only one of MANY things that can be used against people. Its one of literally THOUSANDS of things.
You, again, obviously are choosing not to see something. You're disregarding a unique experience because other things can happen. That's fine and you can do that. There's just nothing more to say to you about that.


I also don't get why people keep bringing up names as a form of repression. I don't have a "white" name and I have also met plenty of black people who DO have a white name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR7SG2C7IVU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApV0hszT-yo
I'll add more as I find it for you. Or you can choose not to get it, up to you.

GlamourRouge
09-29-2014, 11:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApV0hszT-yo
I'll add more as I find it for you. Or you can choose not to get it, up to you.

Yolanda is a common Greek name, and is of Greek origin. And that was the black woman's name, which she used when she first applied, which was supposed to prove that "black" women wouldn't get hired. That makes no sense because it could have been a Greek woman applying as the name Yolanda Spivey and no one would know differently. Greek people are white.

Yolanda is also a common Latina name. She used Bianca for the second name, which is also a common Latina name, and apparently that one got a lot of responses.

So that means that "study" is invalid. It isn't even designed properly.

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 11:55 AM
What you're accusing me of, is exactly what you're doing to me, by the way. You're telling me I can't "see past x people" and I'm saying you can't see past the one self-proclaimed non-privilege you may have (skin tone) to see the privileges you actually do have. That's why I am not continuing to post after this post. Its arguing two different things and using the same argument for both. Its pointless.
Lol @ self-proclaimed non-privilege.
I'm not going to stop you from not contributing from the discussion. I have the capacity to see past it. It's why I'm alive today.
But I'm not going to allow you to try and mute a point without rebuttal. I'm not going to let a reality get debunked just because you don't experience it. I've already spoken with you about these things, pages ago. You chose not to continue that conversation and that's fine. You're equalling apples to oranges when you compare "big boob privilege" to "white privilege" and suggesting that people who experience racism realize that "literally thousands of other things" exist and they shouldn't feel there's uniqueness or exception in that.

And I'm choosing not to argue with you about it. Same way you aren't. It's all good.

justanothercamgirl
09-29-2014, 11:59 AM
When it comes to addressing social race-based inequality we're not so far ahead.

I hate to ask such a stupid question but in your opinion is there anything that a white women can do in order to help against that inequality? I mean other than taking the statement of being colourblind out of my vocabulary out of a deep respect for others struggles ? I only ask because I do want to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. :/

TheBrownFox
09-29-2014, 12:07 PM
Let's look at things from a different perspective. Say the 5 children in the advert we're allowed to choose out of the 5 outfits and it just so happened that they chose those ones.
And the photographers and the photoshoot assistants was aware that it may cause a racist stir but they didn't want to take them off the kids or tell the children they had to change or swap them around because they didn't want to then be deemed as racist.
Cool. Now if the only Black kids in the ad just happen to be wearing monkey suits, and are holding watermelon and fried chicken in their hands, while shouting "Dat's what I'm talkin' bout!," hell yeah...Houston, we have a problem... :P But I'm sure the people in charge of the ad wouldn't be that dumb. :)

SarahTime
09-29-2014, 12:09 PM
I hate to ask such a stupid question but in your opinion is there anything that a white women can do in order to help against that inequality? I mean other than taking the statement of being colourblind out of my vocabulary out of a deep respect for others struggles ? I only ask because I do want to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. :/

That's what I'd like to know, too.

I think we all understand this is a problem. But my brain tends to want to focus more on a solution, not because I want to somehow act like struggles don't exist or whatever else I'll probably be accused of, but because that's how my brain works with EVERYTHING. Recognize the problem, find a solution.

So, what is the solution? What can we do?

It's a tad confusing to me because on the one hand, black people want others to forget they are black... on the other they want everything to be about them being black. So I don't really get what anyone is suppose to do here to fix the problem. It's like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

LaPetiteVierge
09-29-2014, 12:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex6mbHOR85A
@justanothercamgirl & @SarahTime
This is a video about why white people don't speak out against racism and he partially touches on what should be done.

SarahTime
09-29-2014, 12:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex6mbHOR85A
@justanothercamgirl & @SarahTime
This is a video about why white people don't speak out against racism and he partially touches on what should be done.

Instead of watching a 7 minute video, I'd kind of like to know what YOU think. :)

Because you're a cam girl, and this is about race and camming... and so I think it matters what you think can be done.

I'll still watch it, I'm just saying.... what are your opinions on a solution?