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JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:05 PM
erm... I thought I was unshockable but that did it for me! Jane, your agreement is to pay the models the hourly. The risk is yours. You get the 10% when things go well. Sometimes they don't and you lose out. What exactly are you there for? Just to skim 10% - for what? Or is that what you charge for unprofessional, rude and insulting public forum outings?
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great. And, public outing? can you even read? Seems like the complainer models were the first to out, with FALSE INFORMATION
This is to correct the lies from one or two "models" Everybody was given terms of being paid hourly, it included paying attention to the potential customers. with the risk of being canned or losing hourly if caught cheating, as which two people were.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:07 PM
Where does a model get off openly giving false statements?
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:09 PM
Jane, where do you get off posting any monetary information about what a model has made openly and connecting it with their SW name? How unprofessional can you be?
Same way isobelle is unprofessional in making up false statements. I have corrected the misinformation for you all to see. And if her sw name is isobelle and her fwc name is isobelle, what is the problem?
Nikki_Fox
03-02-2015, 04:09 PM
If this is the case then they should have been told IMMEDIATELY that they were no longer receiving the hourly pay - pulling it retroactively is what everyone has an issue with
They have the right to pay who they want but it is unethical to allow the ladies to continue logging on under the guise that they are receiving pay for their time
RaeRae
03-02-2015, 04:16 PM
Same way isobelle is unprofessional in making up false statements. I have corrected the misinformation for you all to see. And if her sw name is isobelle and her fwc name is isobelle, what is the problem?
I seriously cannot believe that you don't see that as a problem. No one's exact earnings are anyone's business but the studio's and the model's. It is irrelevant exactly how much was made and is a major breach of privacy to post that publicly. No matter what happens, you should do everything to remain professional and not cross that line no matter what is being said. In a service providing position like a studio the onus is on you to be professional at all times when interacting with the models, no matter how much someone angers you. It's not the model's responsibility to be the better person, they are paying you a fee and should at the bare minimum get their privacy respected at all times in this industry.
BritishBecky
03-02-2015, 04:29 PM
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great.
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-program-discussion/1159868-cam-girls-step-inside-salary-gig.html
Tsani
03-02-2015, 04:30 PM
I don't see how no tokens equals no effort, or trying to scam the system. When I was on hourly at Cam4 I would often make no tokens, but it wasn't for lack of effort. I would do countdowns, engage the customers, offer flashes for tips, and still nada. You can't make cheap asses tip if they don't have any money. Especially on a site with the word "Free" in the name.
The site owners need to worry more about getting quality spending traffic to the site and not put it all on the models. Broke is broke and you can't squeeze money out of someone who has none no matter how "hot" you are or how much you "work it".
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:38 PM
If this is the case then they should have been told IMMEDIATELY that they were no longer receiving the hourly pay - pulling it retroactively is what everyone has an issue with
They have the right to pay who they want but it is unethical to allow the ladies to continue logging on under the guise that they are receiving pay for their time
alas, she did get paid the next week she worked. Mind you it was not until the 16th that we found out she had zero tokens from the week before, and they did not pay her hourly.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:39 PM
If this is the case then they should have been told IMMEDIATELY that they were no longer receiving the hourly pay - pulling it retroactively is what everyone has an issue with
They have the right to pay who they want but it is unethical to allow the ladies to continue logging on under the guise that they are receiving pay for their time
alas, she did get paid the next week she worked. Mind you it was not until the 16th that we found out she had zero tokens from the week before, and they did not pay her hourly.
Nikki_Fox
03-02-2015, 04:41 PM
My understanding is she was not notified until after she had worked the hours with no tokens that earning tokens was the new criteria to receive the hourly pay
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:42 PM
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-program-discussion/1159868-cam-girls-step-inside-salary-gig.html
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 04:42 PM
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great. And, public outing? can you even read? Seems like the complainer models were the first to out, with FALSE INFORMATION
This is to correct the lies from one or two "models" Everybody was given terms of being paid hourly, it included paying attention to the potential customers. with the risk of being canned or losing hourly if caught cheating, as which two people were.
I am NOT a model on this site. The fact that you replied to MY post by posting ANOTHER PERSON'S financial stuff is...well, I would say "unbelievable", but I would honestly believe anything from you at this point. Jane, whatever your intentions were going into this, you have become the exact thing this forum tries so hard to help people avoid: a scummy studio owner playing bait-and-switch, making money off the backs of hard-working camgirls. The fact that you yourself are a cammodel makes this even more disgusting. You used your reputation as a fellow cammodel and a member of this forum to gain trust, and then you proceeded to rip people off. Yes, Jane, you ripped them off. However you dress it up, you RIPPED THEM OFF. They trusted you, and you shit on them as soon as things got tough for you.
I used to respect you, but the things you have said on here have made me lose all that. That genuinely saddens me, but your behaviour also really pisses me off. The more you "defend" yourself, the worse you make yourself look. Give it up, girl. The ship has sailed. Close up shop here and join your boy on GFY to recruit--I think their style might suit you better.
pinkpink
03-02-2015, 04:46 PM
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
The fact that you condone this kind of behavior is disgusting. You think it's right and fair to call your fellow camgirls unattractive and unworthy of work? You are just as bad as every evil studio out there.
BritishBecky
03-02-2015, 04:48 PM
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
Oooh good. It's not enough that you screwed them over. Now you say they don't meet the '7' requirement. Professionalism just shining through.
Tsani
03-02-2015, 04:49 PM
Problem is the people complaining would not be able to qualify independently on the last three items listed.
USA Girls ONLY *
English Speaking *
Must be willing to work 25 hrs. per week*
Must have a good internet connection (25 down 5 up)*
Must be at least a "7" on the 1 - 10 scale*
http://powerdiversity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Oh+no+you+didn+t+_9c0d2e6e6708ef439c9b6e8ef1c5ee0a .gif
Wow you really went there.
Cuz nooo you can't possibly make any money if you're not at least a "7" cuz wtf is all these niche categories anyways...
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:49 PM
My understanding is she was not notified until after she had worked the hours with no tokens that earning tokens was the new criteria to receive the hourly pay
When the website FWC held her pay on 16jan, we notified the model immediately, she had already worked the week after the week she earned no tokens, and got paid for the week at normal payout. I believe that the firm policy of not paying with not tokens was changed to flexible, case by case basis, but fwc accounting and ownership came hard on the dont payout of no tokens starting the 16th payment. Greg has been constantly working with the owners to get that pay for her, and is still working on it, even though her squealing on here is annoying and maddening. as soon as we get that pay for no tokens she will be paid that. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
audritwo
03-02-2015, 04:50 PM
POSTED MODEL EARNINGS
WHAT THE FLYING FUCK? WHY WOULD YOU POST A MODELS EARNINGS PUBLICLY....? YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
I understand you are frustrated. But really? REALLY? Didn't I already point this out, when you did it before?
That is a huge no, no girl. YOU NEVER SHARE A MODEL'S EARNINGS PUBLICLY!
Hunny, this is just wrong. No one is better then anyone. I don't think its professional for a studio to announce one of their model's earnings publicly and then make fun of it. "Check yourself before you wreck yourself."
That's all what I have to say, and hope everyone learns something from this.
Jane I like you, I respect you as a cammodel, and a businesswoman. But please, you are only doing yourself harm by pulling shit like this. Trying to prove a point or not.
BritishBecky
03-02-2015, 04:51 PM
. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
What a hero... A studio boss that almost paid the model what he said he would.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:52 PM
The fact that you condone this kind of behavior is disgusting. You think it's right and fair to call your fellow camgirls unattractive and unworthy of work? You are just as bad as every evil studio out there.
The 25 hours is funny, most dont work even 15
Quote Originally Posted by BritishBecky View Post
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...alary-gig.html
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 04:53 PM
The fact that you condone this kind of behavior is disgusting. You think it's right and fair to call your fellow camgirls unattractive and unworthy of work? You are just as bad as every evil studio out there.
The 25 hours is funny, most dont work even 15
Quote Originally Posted by BritishBecky View Post
Except that the hourly exists without you...
http://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...alary-gig.html
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 04:58 PM
When the website FWC held her pay on 16jan, we notified the model immediately, she had already worked the week after the week she earned no tokens, and got paid for the week at normal payout. I believe that the firm policy of not paying with not tokens was changed to flexible, case by case basis, but fwc accounting and ownership came hard on the dont payout of no tokens starting the 16th payment. Greg has been constantly working with the owners to get that pay for her, and is still working on it, even though her squealing on here is annoying and maddening. as soon as we get that pay for no tokens she will be paid that. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.
I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."
At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."
At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."
I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."
So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit.
ETA: I'm not leaving screen shots of the emails because I don't want the possibility of anyone's work or personal emails accidentally appearing on this forum.
I do not appreciate people leaving out my earnings, but I also just came off a $1500 week between cam and tips from my regular job so I don't really care if people see those as 'low.' My major concern is that I expect my privacy to be respected and it most certainly was not. I trusted you with my information. I don't want to see anything that is potentially identifying end up on a public form.
Nikki_Fox
03-02-2015, 05:02 PM
I get the issue in collecting from the site - but you and your husband signed up to represent your models - owning a business has it up and downs - sadly sometimes things just dont work out in your favor - the little bit of money she is due is not worth the cost of the drama it has caused and damage to your good name - I have been on escort calls that went wrong - not because of any wrong doing on my part - and I gave the guy his money back - did I earn it - Hell Yea - Is it worth the possible consequences to fight over it ??? No - I chalk it up to the cost of doing business - move on and forget about it - you cant buy respect here it has to be earned - you had done that in spades - in the big picture is this really worth all of this for that little bit of money ????
audritwo
03-02-2015, 05:03 PM
Greg has been constantly working with the owners to get that pay for her, and is still working on it, even though her squealing on here is annoying and maddening. as soon as we get that pay for no tokens she will be paid that. Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
Would you be pissed if the site you worked on changed their policy right when payouts went out? Without waiting for the next pay period? No warning. Girls were thinking they were getting paid. I get the policy change. And that's the site call. But it's shitty to change the policy without carrying it over to the next pay period. She was expecting a payment, maybe depending on it.
I can understand why she is being annoying and maddening. 100%
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 05:04 PM
Jane I like you, I respect you as a cammodel, and a businesswoman. But please, you are only doing yourself harm by pulling shit like this. Trying to prove a point or not.
I respect her as a cammodel, due 100% to the fact she makes money, but I sure as fuck no longer respect her as a businesswoman. As a person? Not on your fucking life. And I know we aren't supposed to attack people personally on here, but jesus fucking christ. Enough Jane. You've gone down in flames, it's no use getting out your squirt bottle now.
loveshooks
03-02-2015, 05:21 PM
In addition, Greg has been working with FWC as to get the unpaid hourly back on behalf of you and the other model, however, their accounting department refuses to pay, and we are working on another solution to get you paid
this to me would demonstrate that she was not paid the funds she was promised. as such I don't consider any of the factual posts in this thread to be libel, as your husband insinuated in his report about this thread
Jane, where do you get off posting any monetary information about what a model has made openly and connecting it with their SW name? How unprofessional can you be?
agreed. @Jane, this is the second time you've posted personal info in this thread about models who have signed up to your studio. this is a massive violation of sw rules and if it occurs again I will be handing out serious infractions. as a service owner you have a high duty of care to protect the privacy of women who trust you to do the right thing. based upon your pattern of behavior it doesn't appear that you understand this fully
Hell, Greg was going to pay out of our own pocket, but this behavior by her is causing ill will.
I don't understand why you two didn't do the right thing and just pay the two models who got shafted. ethically that would be the right thing to do, as you're the middle man between the models and the site. no one can force you to pay them, obviously, but I don't understand why continue to support and defend a site that retroactively removed model earnings. The mental leaps of logic that are required to justify such action are totally beyond me. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you as a peer, but as a studio owner in all honesty I think you're doing the wrong thing here
Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.
I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."
At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."
At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."
I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."
So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit
thank you for again explaining the timeline so succinctly.
I also want to make a point about model behavior, as that's be referenced a few times as an excuse for why this all happened. No one can force any one of us to behave unethically, we're all responsible for the choices we make. I have no doubt that some unpaid models have been quite strenuous in their objections to being having income deducted retroactively, but that doesn't excuse the way they have been treated or the fact that they did not receive the funds they were promised.
what a mess. I'm sorry to both Space and Issabelle that this happened, and that your personal info was posted without your permission. It will NOT happen again.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 05:28 PM
Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.
I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."
At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."
At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."
I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."
So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit.
ETA: I'm not leaving screen shots of the emails because I don't want the possibility of anyone's work or personal emails accidentally appearing on this forum.
I do not appreciate people leaving out my earnings, but I also just came off a $1500 week between cam and tips from my regular job so I don't really care if people see those as 'low.' My major concern is that I expect my privacy to be respected and it most certainly was not. I trusted you with my information. I don't want to see anything that is potentially identifying end up on a public form.
We are still trying to get the $$ for you and the other.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 05:30 PM
Alright, I emailed you on January 22nd at 2:49 p.m. PST.
I received this response at 3:21 p.m. PST: "The cam site held your payment back because they said you didn't earn tokens at all that week. Greg is waiting to hear back from Jose about if they are going to send that payment this week or what is going on. I'll let you know what they say once we get an answer back."
At 3:35 p.m. PST (AFTER I was told), a mass email was sent to models with this paragraph included: "The site also decided that they do not want to pay hourly to performers that don't earn any tokens. You don't have to earn a certain amount or an amount daily. However if you work, they expect you to earn some tokens, even just 20. Not sure when they changed that rule, but they just informed us of it."
At 5:24 p.m. PST on February 5th, I received this: "Accounting said they submitted your funds to be paid out. I don't know if they are in the studio payment we get for tomorrow or for next week. I'll let you know tomorrow when we get paid from them."
I did not receive the above payment and on the 18th of February at 12:18 p.m. PST I received this: "Greg talked to Tim yesterday about it and he said he would look into it. If you want to send Joe a message yourself, he does the accounting for the site. His email addy is XXXX. I'm not sure what happened, last I heard it was submitted to be paid out and it wasn't send in the weekly payout to us. Its possible a higher up declined it since they are pretty firm on you having to earn at least a few tokens if you're on hourly."
So, I was not notified on the 16th of January and while I was very confident you were going to bat for me initially, you finally just left me the accounting office contact information to deal with it myself. Yes, I've squealed and whined quite a bit.
ETA: I'm not leaving screen shots of the emails because I don't want the possibility of anyone's work or personal emails accidentally appearing on this forum.
I do not appreciate people leaving out my earnings, but I also just came off a $1500 week between cam and tips from my regular job so I don't really care if people see those as 'low.' My major concern is that I expect my privacy to be respected and it most certainly was not. I trusted you with my information. I don't want to see anything that is potentially identifying end up on a public form.
We are still trying to get the $$ for you and the other.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 05:30 PM
And, sorry bout the double posts. weird browser refresh...
Tsani
03-02-2015, 05:35 PM
I just don't know why y'all didn't just pay them out of pocket then get reimbursed for it later. Doesn't matter if the model was "unprofessional". Doesn't matter if you're trying to get the money now. That's what studios do, they pay the models.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 05:35 PM
We are still trying to get the $$ for you and the other.
Jane, as a studio, you take on the obligation for paying the model for the work. I am sorry that you seem to think that the role of the studio is to process payment while skimming a nice % off for yourself, but that's not how it is SUPPOSED to work. The models worked, they need to be paid. If that comes out of your pocket because the site fucked you over, that is part of the risk that you chose to take on. The models have a payment agreement with YOU not with the site. Somehow in your dash for cash you seem to have forgotten that. PAY YOUR MODELS. Your issues with the site are not theirs.
hyori
03-02-2015, 05:39 PM
I gave my resignation. I no longer want to work for this cam site.
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 05:42 PM
My story will have a different ending when I receive an apology for being called a liar, a leech, and a whiny baby (see the previous two pages) and after I receive my payment. Until then, my opinion of this entire situation is very low. I had a lot of respect for you when this started. I want to see that respect and trust was well placed, but I haven't seen any reason to believe that it has been as of yet. I will publicly go to bat for you if I get those two things, but right now I have to go to bat for the side of defending current models, former models, and girls considering signing up. I'm sorry that means we're on opposite sides for now.
JoJoX
03-02-2015, 05:51 PM
"All due respect - If you are not at least as hot as the girls I am pictured with above, please do not email me....We do not pay ugly people by the hour."
Those are direct quotes, along with other disgusting quotes, FROM THE SITE OWNER on a forum. I am sick to my stomach.
Even if you do have a certain type or look you want to maintain on your site, there is no need to say any of those things. I am sure Playboy gets TONS of "unattractive" applications but do they send out rejection letters saying "I'm sorry but you're too ugly?" What a fucking disgrace, so unprofessional- just for this, I would not even think about signing up to this site.
Who are they to judge who's hot or not?? Good luck creating a web cam site if you think it's about looks in this business- especially when there's clearly only one type. Why do you think MFC and SM are the top sites? Because they offer variety. They "hire" girls NOT based on their looks. This site owner his self is not exactly a Brad Pitt look alike.
Disgusting
Tsani
03-02-2015, 05:54 PM
Yeah I pretty much said "eff this" to this site when I realized I wouldn't qualify based on the fact that I'm a curvy to BBW alt girl. That's the beauty of the cam business, guys like variety and they're often refreshed to see models who don't look like "supermodels" or porn stars. The owner makes me sick.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 06:03 PM
This site owner his self is not exactly a Brad Pitt look alike.
Disgusting
Well, he's figured out how to surround himself with attractive women...pay them.
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 06:05 PM
...pay them.
Or not...
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 06:10 PM
Or not...
Excuse me, gotta change my panties, PMSL over here.
JoJoX
03-02-2015, 06:13 PM
Jane, this was your bad- and who ever else is involved.
Clearly, you bit off more than you can chew and just like MOST people you thought this would be a walk in the park. Soooo many people think they can just start a web cam site and it will be an over night sensation. Just because your site failed or things did not go the way you planned, doesn't mean that you can just walk away from your end of the deal. You ripped people off and that's final. You totally exploited cam girls. I can bet money that you still paid the "hot" ones. And to openly ridicule peoples looks as a business is just beyond me.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 06:26 PM
You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.
You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
I have been having a wonderful time working this site Jane and Greg have been nothing but helpful and nice to me. I've gotten paid every week it may not be on the same day but it happens. I ALSO make tips and have since the site first started. Maybe not as many but I still made them, eitherway I've had a good time and been paid every time and haven't had any problems! Thank you Jane and Greg for all the help! Sorry for everyone else if you've had problems but my experience has so far been overall pretty good. :)
JoJoX
03-02-2015, 06:32 PM
You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.
You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
That's funny you say that because you are taking out your own failures on these girls you ripped off. You site sucked and it was slow so you decided not to pay girls, like you said you would. Don't promise hourly pay if you can't provide that.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 06:32 PM
You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.
You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
Jane, your business is failing. You had access to all of these threads and all of this knowledge and decided to try to make a quick buck anyway. It blew up in your face. And that's not about them, it's about YOU. Running a business is about taking risks. The risk is you might fuck it up, or the customers might fuck you over, or the world might end because the Mayans were right. You took that risk. Trying to throw that risk back onto other people because it went badly for you is a bitch move, even more so because you are putting that shit back on the members of a community who trusted you, and a community that supported your endeavor.
Commerce 101: Most businesses fail. Commerce 201: Shut up about it and deal with the fallout.
Oh, and don't give that BS about "opening it up to everyone". Screening appearance is hardly inclusive, now, is it?
JoJoX
03-02-2015, 06:35 PM
You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.
You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
Or how about another idea: maybe you can find yourselves "good cam performers" if you weren't so damn adamant that they have to be "hot." Being "hot" does not make you a good cam performer.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 06:37 PM
Seriously? You had respect for me but this is how you handled it. Did I run to forums and complain about you guys? NO!!! My trust was misplaced when I opened up to allow anyone to join in because I thought I was doing the right thing. I thought I was helping other cam performers out and instead it turned into a clusterfuck. 99 percent of the performers havent had one issue, it's only a few of you that had issues. I also don't appreciate you jumping a performer that comes on here stating her opinion. She isn't a new performer and she didn't deserve the attitude that was given to her.
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.
My story will have a different ending when I receive an apology for being called a liar, a leech, and a whiny baby (see the previous two pages) and after I receive my payment. Until then, my opinion of this entire situation is very low. I had a lot of respect for you when this started. I want to see that respect and trust was well placed, but I haven't seen any reason to believe that it has been as of yet. I will publicly go to bat for you if I get those two things, but right now I have to go to bat for the side of defending current models, former models, and girls considering signing up. I'm sorry that means we're on opposite sides for now.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 06:40 PM
I go by what the site asked for and they hire who they see fit. Its no different than magazines, adult xxx studio's and websites hiring attractive talent. It's a part of the industry and you don't have to like it, but that's how it is.
Or how about another idea: maybe you can find yourselves "good cam performers" if you weren't so damn adamant that they have to be "hot." Being "hot" does not make you a good cam performer.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 06:41 PM
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.
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NikkiMonroe
03-02-2015, 06:46 PM
You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.
You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
I'm sorry, but I'm fairly certain Cam4 paid every single model their $10/hr for the first 100 hours - despite what tokens were or were not earned. Because it was an agreement on both the site and the models whom signed on for that hourly bonus. I'd spent multiple hours there, with zero tokens and still received my ten/hr. Does that mean I'm a shitty performer? No. I damn well make my money and pay my bills while working sites with some goddamn credibility. When I CHOSE to give up on Cam4 because I wasn't making money (because you can't take water from a well that is dried up) they INFORMED me that I would be taken off the hourly bonus - which seems is something you failed to do.
And yes, you can look in the Camming Sucks thread and see some of these models complain throughout dry periods, but I guarantee you see them post in the Camming Rocks thread just the same amount, if not more.
Furthermore, I don't see anyone defending you because you are turning on models in the most unprofessional and arrogant manner I have ever seen here on SW. And as for screening performers? Your basis is on their appearance, not their hourly wages nor their fan base. Pretty faces are not all there is to cam, as a model yourself you should know that. You are just lashing out on performers because you created and unsuccessful business, are no receiving the financial gain you anticipated and you should be ashamed of yourself. Best of luck in your future endeavors!
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 06:47 PM
That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound like me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.
this to me would demonstrate that she was not paid the funds she was promised. as such I don't consider any of the factual posts in this thread to be libel, as your husband insinuated in his report about this thread
agreed. @Jane, this is the second time you've posted personal info in this thread about models who have signed up to your studio. this is a massive violation of sw rules and if it occurs again I will be handing out serious infractions. as a service owner you have a high duty of care to protect the privacy of women who trust you to do the right thing. based upon your pattern of behavior it doesn't appear that you understand this fully
I don't understand why you two didn't do the right thing and just pay the two models who got shafted. ethically that would be the right thing to do, as you're the middle man between the models and the site. no one can force you to pay them, obviously, but I don't understand why continue to support and defend a site that retroactively removed model earnings. The mental leaps of logic that are required to justify such action are totally beyond me. I have a tremendous amount of respect for you as a peer, but as a studio owner in all honesty I think you're doing the wrong thing here
thank you for again explaining the timeline so succinctly.
I also want to make a point about model behavior, as that's be referenced a few times as an excuse for why this all happened. No one can force any one of us to behave unethically, we're all responsible for the choices we make. I have no doubt that some unpaid models have been quite strenuous in their objections to being having income deducted retroactively, but that doesn't excuse the way they have been treated or the fact that they did not receive the funds they were promised.
what a mess. I'm sorry to both Space and Issabelle that this happened, and that your personal info was posted without your permission. It will NOT happen again.
pinkpink
03-02-2015, 06:48 PM
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.
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kortneykay
03-02-2015, 06:49 PM
This opportunity would not be available with out us, so, if they want to quit and not get the hourly, great. And, public outing? can you even read? Seems like the complainer models were the first to out, with FALSE INFORMATION
This is to correct the lies from one or two "models" Everybody was given terms of being paid hourly, it included paying attention to the potential customers. with the risk of being canned or losing hourly if caught cheating, as which two people were.
I can't hold back anymore. Fuck it. You're kidding me right? First of all YOUR ATTITUDE SUCKS. It always has. That's why you've gotten into previous arguments with others on the forum because you have a stank attitude. I knew this would go down like this, I knew it was a bad idea. Second of all, please don't try and act like your "studio" was an opportunity for anyone. FWC posted on several sites like www.sexyjobs.com and at the very bottom there was a studio sign up link. Stop acting like you brought this site to SW because several of my PSO friends and myself saw it posted ages ago.
You chose to start a studio because you knew that you could bring it to the forum and girls would sign up. PERIOD. Anyone could've done that, you just happen to do it first. You can a argue until you're blue in the face, Jane but the fact of the matter is, YOU, the studio owner are obligated to PAY models under you based on the hours they put in. Like I said before, I don't care if they were flicking boogers at the camera; they still logged on! If the site doesn't pay them/you, too bad, you still are obligated to pay because that's the hat you wear as a studio owner. And the fact that you're sitting here on your high horse outing people who worked under you is beyond me. I knew this shit would happen!
Heads up. If there are any REAL people with cash reserves who wish to "promote" this whack ass site. http://www.modelrevenue.com is the site and they have a studio sign up at the bottom. See, even a caveman can do it! GTFO.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 06:50 PM
That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound liek me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.
Aw, you got hacked! And lemme guess, you never agreed to pay anyone, never dicked anyone around, never called anyone names? Can you go back through and tell us which posts ARE yours? Check with your co-owner Greg, he seems like a real peach.