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audritwo
03-02-2015, 06:50 PM
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.
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Issabelle
03-02-2015, 06:52 PM
That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound like me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.
...I can't even.
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JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 06:54 PM
The last time I personally was on here was 4 or 5 days ago at least. I never said there wasn't issues or that she didn't get paid. I just didn't post the stuff from the last two or three pages. Why are you on here? Last I checked you have nothing to do with this topic since you don't work on the site.
Aw, you got hacked! And lemme guess, you never agreed to pay anyone, never dicked anyone around, never called anyone names? Can you go back through and tell us which posts ARE yours? Check with your co-owner Greg, he seems like a real peach.
JoJoX
03-02-2015, 06:54 PM
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.
This quote, another +1 on professionalism.
So you recruit for a site that promises hourly wage, you decide to breach that contract because what? - can't afford it? Site wasn't as booming as you thought? Whatever the reason, there is no reason- and because girls are complaining about being ripped off for their time, because they felt exploited they complain and then you send out rejection emails basically saying the model who applied is too ugly for the site....but we made you realize that "the other side" was 100% right?? Right about what exactly? Because the site was dead wrong on this one. That sex workers aren't as easy to pull a fast one over as they thought? If "the other side" really feels that way, why in the fuck are they in the business in the first place?? Don't have the requirements or skills for another job or career maybe?
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 06:59 PM
The last time I personally was on here was 4 or 5 days ago at least. I never said there wasn't issues or that she didn't get paid. I just didn't post the stuff from the last two or three pages. Why are you on here? Last I checked you have nothing to do with this topic since you don't work on the site.
Oh shit! I had no idea that caring about studios scamming girls was nothing for me to talk about! In which case Jane, you might want to seriously reconsider posting regarding a site that only accepts models with 7/10 looks, no exceptions.
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pinkpink
03-02-2015, 06:59 PM
That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound like me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.
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space_cowgirl
03-02-2015, 07:09 PM
So....does this mean that I "might" get paid for my missing hourly?
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 07:10 PM
Where did I say that? Please show me where I said that at? A cam site can fire a performer any time they want to without explanation. That is their right and you all know that. All the other performers have been paid without issue. Only two that the site felt weren't working out had payment issues. Two out of forty, and yet you want to imply that somehow everyone is getting fucked over. NO one said they were ugly, that wasn't why they were let go. It had to do with their work performance and the site choosing to not work with them.
I dont like how the site handled things, but I also think some of you are making things up. You never bothered to ask about the situation, you just read what was posted and ran with it. If you go on the adult industry forums and read what's posted, a lot of it relates to talent and how they have zero respect for them. Do you think when a business has issues they run to bitch on a forum? No they don't. Why? It's seen as being unprofessional. If you don't think cam companies and other adult businesses read these forums, you're wrong. They talk about what's posted on here and they usually side with the business. You've seen Sam post on here a lot talking about this subject and she's right. Blasting sites on here isn't going to help you expose them, it makes a target on your back and makes other companies not want to work with you. Using a fake name on here doesn't mean they can't find out who you are.
This quote, another +1 on professionalism.
So you recruit for a site that promises hourly wage, you decide to breach that contract because what? - can't afford it? Site wasn't as booming as you thought? Whatever the reason, there is no reason- and because girls are complaining about being ripped off for their time, because they felt exploited they complain and then you send out rejection emails basically saying the model who applied is too ugly for the site....but we made you realize that "the other side" was 100% right?? Right about what exactly? Because the site was dead wrong on this one. That sex workers aren't as easy to pull a fast one over as they thought? If "the other side" really feels that way, why in the fuck are they in the business in the first place?? Don't have the requirements or skills for another job or career maybe?
kortneykay
03-02-2015, 07:12 PM
You cant win with these performers. They will blame the site for their failures, it's always someone else's fault in their eyes. The reality is if you can't earn one token in six hours, you're just not a good cam performer period. If you look up their usernames they have complained in multiple threads about other cam sites too or how it's super slow. Every site can't suck and be slow, its usually them that's the problem.
You don't need to defend me but I appreciate it. I should have screened performers better and that is 100 percent on me. I tried to be nice and opened it up to everyone, which a ton of other performers warned me not to ever do. Lesson learned the hard way, but it is what it is.
From someone who's complained on this site about slow times and having issues on SM making money this takes the cake for me. Really, Jane? So who's fault was that when you weren't making money on some of your sites? Plenty of us are GREAT performers be it if we make 1 token in 6 hours or 0. This site is new, the owner is a dickhead and doesn't know the first thing about driving traffic and you're a studio "owner" who would rather blame models then cough up the money you owe. It's not the performers! These women you hired have been riding hard on this forum and are good workers. Don't try and act like it's the model's fault. You came to THIS forum seeking girls to start in your "studio", remember? I can't believe you're backing some new site that's probably going to screw you over than actually taking up for the ladies who've supported you, thanked you (you have over 6,000 thanks!) and trusted YOU enough to sign up under your ghetto ass "studio".
The only lesson learned here is to never do business with someone who has a stank attitude and doesn't know the first thing about running a business. I can't even.
HaydenBlue
03-02-2015, 07:13 PM
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.
digging your own grave. seriously wtf.
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Bootsie
03-02-2015, 07:14 PM
Using a fake name on here doesn't mean they can't find out who you are.
Especially because you and your hacker are happy to say who's who!
loveshooks
03-02-2015, 07:15 PM
there are no words at this point
look y'all, I really don't want to lock this thread. I think it's important that it stay open so that it doesn't disappear into the ether, so that any chicas who are curious about this site actually know what they're getting into if they choose to join.
at this point I think each 'side' has made their position abundantly clear, so I'm asking that y'all back down and focus on what's really important here: getting Space_Cowgirl and Issabelle paid for the work they performed. an internet flame war does nothing to aid in the resolution of that issue.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 07:17 PM
there are no words at this point
look y'all, I really don't want to lock this thread. I think it's important that it stay open so that it doesn't disappear into the ether, so that any chicas who are curious about this site actually know what they're getting into if they choose to join.
at this point I think each 'side' has made their position abundantly clear, so I'm asking that y'all back down and focus on what's really important here: getting Space_Cowgirl and Issabelle paid for the work they performed. an internet flame war does nothing to aid in the resolution of that issue.
Well, first Jane should clear up whether it was her or her hacker that promised they would "try" to get their money to them.
kortneykay
03-02-2015, 07:17 PM
That wasnt even me that posted that. Someone else logged into my account and posted under my info. I didnt even learn about this thread until an hour ago. It doesn't even sound like me, you guys should be able to go back and see I don't even talk like. I did accidentally post that info on Space and I did apologize. That honestly was a mistake and I took responsibility for that. I'll change my log-in info on here so it won't happen again.
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I believe you tried this "someone logged into my account and posted this" a few years back when you pissed several models off. #LIES!
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 07:20 PM
That was my problem 100 percent. I don't blame Streamate or any other cam site for my failures. You keep saying the owner is a dickhead. Where are these threads where you claim he says this awful stuff at?
Who supported me exactly? At the very first glitch they ran to this forum and bitched about me. I didnt even have time them to handle it because it was posted here right away. That isn't support at all. I've had a Streamate studio for six years and not once have you seen anyone on here bitch about that. New sites have issues, that's to be expected. I even said there would probably be issues.
I do know how to run a business, and have for over ten years. No one has ever posted a bad word about me until this site so I must know what I'm doing.
From someone who's complained on this site about slow times and having issues on SM making money this takes the cake for me. Really, Jane? So who's fault was that when you weren't making money on some of your sites? Plenty of us are GREAT performers be it if we make 1 token in 6 hours or 0. This site is new, the owner is a dickhead and doesn't know the first thing about driving traffic and you're a studio "owner" who would rather blame models then cough up the money you owe. It's not the performers! These women you hired have been riding hard on this forum and are good workers. Don't try and act like it's the model's fault. You came to THIS forum seeking girls to start in your "studio", remember? I can't believe you're backing some new site that's probably going to screw you over than actually taking up for the ladies who've supported you, thanked you (you have over 6,000 thanks!) and trusted YOU enough to sign up under your ghetto ass "studio".
The only lesson learned here is to never do business with someone who has a stank attitude and doesn't know the first thing about running a business. I can't even.
JoJoX
03-02-2015, 07:20 PM
Soo you're saying I don't have a chance at working on FreeWebCams.com?? I am pretty bummed!!
It's weird how you keep speaking of being unprofessional yet I've browsed other sites and forums on this cam site just today and the lack of professionalism on their behalf literally ruined my day.
Jassi
03-02-2015, 07:21 PM
We will never be on the same side again period. What you guys did was make me realize cam sites, content owners, photographers, etc were 100 percent right about what they say about talent.[/QUOTE]
You would think a web cam model would be more on the web cam models side--guess not. The sites are nothing without their models.
For real? Some models are still waiting for their payment? The studio cannot take care of their models and pay them whether or not the model is still with the studio--how is that professional?
Guess me being rejected was a good thing--pay the models, they depend on payment--which is why its shocking that another web cam model isn't making getting the payments straightened out a priority.
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 07:23 PM
They did take your hourly away but paid you for what you worked. I also told you why myself, so you do know why even if you don't agree with it.
I don't know where you're getting off saying that 99% of the performers have had no issues and only 2 people had payment issues. The site took away my hourly pay because....well I have no fucking clue why because my studio owner never bothered to communicate with me and tell me why....just that the site had the discretion to take my hourly pay away. Because the site thinks they can judge my job performance on 5 hours of camming time over 2 days? That's insane. We're talking about a new site, how can you pin the lack of tokens earned on me. Of course we could go back in this thread where you said I had my hourly pay taken away because I "misrepresented myself" whatever the fuck that means. I photograph well and they didn't like the way my face/hair/body looked on cam? I have no idea.
For the record, I worked Cam4 and did the hourly promotion. I got the 1K hourly pay and made an additional 4K on top of it. So, sorry Jane & FreeWebCams, the problem here isn't me, it's you.
Bootsie
03-02-2015, 07:25 PM
Soo you're saying I don't have a chance at working on FreeWebCams.com?? I am pretty bummed!!
It's weird how you keep speaking of being unprofessional yet I've browsed other sites and forums on this cam site just today and the lack of professionalism on their behalf literally ruined my day.
Dude, you're totally a 4. Don't even try.
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kortneykay
03-02-2015, 07:25 PM
Loveshooks you are right. I just got super heated because of all the fuckery I've read but I'll back off and I wish the ladies get what they're owed.
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 07:26 PM
Who supported me exactly? At the very first glitch they ran to this forum and bitched about me. I didnt even have time them to handle it because it was posted here right away. That isn't support at all.
I did quote the highlights of the 4 weeks of emails we sent back and forth to one another, so I gave you first heads up when a problem came up. I didn't post about my issues in this thread until the 18th of this month. A month is a long time to work on problem resolution. It would appear Space did the same. How is that running to the forum at the very first glitch?
I am trying very hard to be calm and respectful right now because I agree with Loveshooks that this thread doesn't deserve to be locked. It's very difficult though.
HaydenBlue
03-02-2015, 07:27 PM
I'll stop too.
As for the 'hacker' thing. As a mod can't you check to see if someone else with a different IP logged in?
SamanthaSugar
03-02-2015, 07:29 PM
I currently work for FWC but thankfully not with Janes studio. My studio is awesome, great customer service and never had an issue with payment. My issue is that I kinda feel bad being that they pay me in hourly way more than I make in tokens. Their traffic sucks! Broke ass guys who have no idea how a token sites work!!! I just don't know how they make a profit. The most guys that I have seen on the site is around 67.
loveshooks
03-02-2015, 07:31 PM
Well, first Jane should clear up whether it was her or her hacker that promised they would "try" to get their money to them.
Jane has stated that her husband was the individual who used her account. As he is her husband and the co-owner of the studio, they are essentially the same entity when it comes to their conduct and choices.
please y'all. back off. it's selfish at this point to revel in stupid internet drama when for the first time the studio owner(s) has publicly admitted that Space and Issabelle are owed funds. this is about them, remember?
stop the drama and let this space be used to address that issue, hopefully concluding with the two being paid in full for the amounts owed. for real, enough.
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 07:34 PM
I appreciate when you put your moderator hat on Love.
hyori
03-02-2015, 07:51 PM
It just isn't right. We are not "talent". We are entrepreneurs who require tools to sell our product. We purchase the tools that work well for us. If they don't work we have the right to return them. Most have a warranty. I think Jane and Greg also purchased this tool of a site. For some reason, they are defending the site's defective warranty and in way too deep to back out.
I am sure they will pay Issy and Space. I am happy with the way my resignation was handled. Good luck to all who decide to stay with this site.
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 07:57 PM
On the same vein as Hyori, I'd like my account with FWC to be deleted entirely immediately please Jane. I don't want that account showing on that site. Thank you.
space_cowgirl
03-02-2015, 07:59 PM
Same here. Please delete all my photos and account information immediately.
loveshooks
03-02-2015, 08:06 PM
Jane and I have been speaking privately. In her own words:
I'll get them their money, even if I have to pay it and fight the site for it
I asked for (and received) her permission before posting that quote from our PMs, so it looks like we've finally found a solution to this issue.
thank you Jane, I have immense respect for your decision and I give you props for stepping up
JaneBurgess
03-02-2015, 08:09 PM
I'll try and delete them. Last time I tried I could only suspend accounts. If I can't I'll ask the site to shut them down but I don't know how long that will take.
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 08:16 PM
Jane and I have been speaking privately. In her own words:
I asked for (and received) her permission before posting that quote from our PMs, so it looks like we've finally found a solution to this issue.
thank you Jane, I have immense respect for your decision and I give you props for stepping up
Thank you Loveshooks! It wasn't your battle and I appreciate that you came to bat for us.
I'll try and delete them. Last time I tried I could only suspend accounts. If I can't I'll ask the site to shut them down but I don't know how long that will take.
As I said before Jane, my story changes when I receive payment. And as of right now, the ending is different. I respect this immensely. Thank you!
space_cowgirl
03-02-2015, 08:18 PM
Thank you Loveshooks and Jane. I appreciate and respect your decision to handle it this way.
audritwo
03-02-2015, 08:35 PM
Happy ending <3
whirlerz
03-02-2015, 10:03 PM
Happy ending <3
Like @ the Body Rubs Places??
Issabelle
03-02-2015, 10:11 PM
Too soon to ask for further details on how and when to expect these payments?
JaneBurgess
03-03-2015, 01:56 PM
No it's not at all. I will email you about it later today and I still have your payment info on file.
Too soon to ask for further details on how and when to expect these payments?
Issabelle
03-03-2015, 06:49 PM
Just got home from work to a lovely email. Jane has sent me payment in full and it's projected to arrive tomorrow sometime. Happy ending everybody.
Thank you Jane.
space_cowgirl
03-03-2015, 08:45 PM
I emailed Jane this afternoon and was told that I can expect a check to be mailed by the end of next week once she figures out the amount owed. Looking forward to it!
space_cowgirl
03-11-2015, 07:27 PM
I still haven't been paid for my hours I worked before the studio was notified (and I was notified) about being taken off hourly.
I've emailed Jose at FWC about the alleged email that I never received, and have heard nothing as of tonight.
I would really like this to get resolved, people to do the right thing, and be done with it.
space_cowgirl
03-11-2015, 07:57 PM
Jane, my issue, THE issue is the email taking me off hourly pay allegedly sent by the site that I never received. I have asked you for it, I have asked Jose for it. The notification I received was from your studio on October 21.
You agreed to pay me for the hours up until I was notified. Now you are refusing to stand by your word.
ETA: (I did email FWC on March 2, and received an email from them on March 3 saying that my application was rejected.)
space_cowgirl
03-11-2015, 08:19 PM
Okay, this is just getting insane.
Jane:
I told you in the prior email you have to contact the site for that email. You had contact with then back in October. You cant say you didnt because they have emails where you and the site go back and forth. They also sent me the email you sent them a few days ago and their reply.
You're not under the studio. If you have questions about things ask the cam site.
Me: Jane, you agreed to pay me for the hours I worked before I was notified that I was being taken off hourly. Are you now saying that you are refusing to pay me at all?
Jane: You also lied and said the site ignored you for months and never sent you an email firing you. They have emails from you and them going back and forth. A lot of emails, that's not ignoring. You not liking their answer isn't ignoring you. I would be more than happy to post those messages on the forum so the performers can see you lied about that.
Its weird you got every other email from them to respond to but the firing one. They fired you, they answered you multiple times about that, they even answered you the other day. Get over it, no one believes you anymore. You lied about everything on that forum. Go back and read how you wrote the site didnt respond to you ever.
I dont believe a word you say, you lied to me in numerous emails about them not responding to you.
Me:
Show me these emails, because I sure don't have them. Post whatever you want - all I have are emails from you and Greg, and one email from FWC when I first started, and one from the other day, after I asked about payment, saying that my application was rejected.
Jane Burgess
8:14 PM
to me
Right. That's why they are from your email address. You even sent one the other day to them. They all are from the same email address. No way a site is going to make up a bunch of emails. No one is going to believe that at all.
You asked them about your payment and they explained you have been paid. They dont want to work with you, they are going to close your account like you asked. As far as they are concerned you were fired, that's the end.
Me
to Jane
What? Can you please just show me the email they sent firing me? Why is that so difficult?
JaneBurgess
03-11-2015, 08:32 PM
Space you are insane and Im not dealing with you anymore. You posted on here multiple times the site never replied to you, but they have emails from you to them and from them to you. So they did answer you back, you just didn't like their answers. I find it odd you get every email from them to respond back to expect the one that fired you. You contacted them the other day and shocker, they answered you back then too. They have always answered you, posting they ignored you on the forum was 100 percent wrong. if you want the firing email, you ask them for it. You've talked to them since October, you should have asked for it then if you wanted to see it. You have their email address, they fired you, you take that up with them.
I am done with your bullshit, you lied multiple times to me in emails and on the forum.
I am sending Loveshooks the emails, she offered to read them over and post her thoughts on them. I trust her and she has no reason to lie period. Let her handle this issue from now on since she doesnt think posting their emails on here would be a good idea.
space_cowgirl
03-11-2015, 08:49 PM
I don't appreciate your insults.
If the email firing me exists from FWC, let's see it.
You agreed to pay me, publicly. The only one lying is you.
loveshooks
03-11-2015, 09:15 PM
Can you please just show me the email they sent firing me? Why is that so difficult?
because I doubt it exists. Jane, this one notification email is the one piece of proof that would solve this issue, once and for all, you can understand if we're confused as to why you won't just show it to Space? If the site won't provide it to you, you gotta know why.
Challenging FWC about the email would be an ideal way to also prove to the site that they should reimburse you. This was their fuck-up, and you're backing them instead of a peer who trusted you in signing up your service. From reading the emails between you and Space it's clear that the site didn't tell you that she was being take off hourly, so why would you trust them to have notified Space? Nothing in any of Space's emails indicated that she knew she had been removed.
I've always liked and respected you Jane so I'm just going to ask one more time, please challenge the site about this alleged email that notified Space that she was being taken off hourly. Again, if they can't provide it you know why, it never existed in the first place.
I know myself that it's sometimes a strange dynamic being both a service owner and a camgirl, but that's also the most awesome part. Space is your peer, here you have an opportunity to do what's right and stand up for her.
like I wrote, I hope you reconsider
justanothercamgirl
03-12-2015, 07:21 PM
because I doubt it exists. Jane, this one notification email is the one piece of proof that would solve this issue, once and for all, you can understand if we're confused as to why you won't just show it to Space? If the site won't provide it to you, you gotta know why.
Challenging FWC about the email would be an ideal way to also prove to the site that they should reimburse you. This was their fuck-up, and you're backing them instead of a peer who trusted you in signing up your service. From reading the emails between you and Space it's clear that the site didn't tell you that she was being take off hourly, so why would you trust them to have notified Space? Nothing in any of Space's emails indicated that she knew she had been removed.
I've always liked and respected you Jane so I'm just going to ask one more time, please challenge the site about this alleged email that notified Space that she was being taken off hourly. Again, if they can't provide it you know why, it never existed in the first place.
I know myself that it's sometimes a strange dynamic being both a service owner and a camgirl, but that's also the most awesome part. Space is your peer, here you have an opportunity to do what's right and stand up for her.
like I wrote, I hope you reconsider
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space_cowgirl
03-13-2015, 11:33 AM
No news on the payment front.
Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess
"I'll get them their money, even if I have to pay it and fight the site for it"
Loveshooks impartially looked over the emails between Jane and I and found that they only backed up what I've been saying all along: answer my questions, tell me when I'm going to be paid, tell me what's going on with hourly, etc. Please? I was given half-answers, or just completely ignored.
I stand by my statement that Freewebcams did not respond to my emails personally. Jane has all my emails TO them, but no responses (that anyone has shown me) back to ME. I think that what they do is respond to the STUDIO and not the model. No email 'firing' me from hourly has been produced that was addressed to ME. I believe that my hourly was retroactively taken away and FWC told Jane this, then she told me the same day, Oct. 21. The problem is that neither the site nor the studio cares.
Models are not disposable items, and reputation will follow you in this industry. If nothing else, I'm happy that my ridiculous experience with Jane and freewebcams.com has been a warning to other potential models to stay far away from shady studios and sites. I didn't deserve the abuse I went though, and I hope to prevent others from having to deal with these people.
Models are dropping from Jane's studio and freewebcams like flies. We have seen really, really great models who don't want to deal with it anymore, and have far better ways of making money leave the site. After more than six months in business, even with "offering" hourly pay, there's one page of bored models online.
A note on professionalism in this industry: Loveshooks and Katy Boleyn could teach Jane a thing or two about running a studio the right way, and I am so grateful to have these stand-up ladies in my life. Professionalism means keeping your cool, doing the right thing - even when you don't want to, even when you're stressed out, angry, and want to swear at people, and remembering that you are providing a service to the people you respect and work hard to keep. It means acting like a grown-ass woman.
This could be rectified with an apology, and a check for what, ten hours of work? Stand the fuck up.
Thymian
03-18-2015, 01:04 PM
No news on the payment front.
Any updates?
space_cowgirl
03-18-2015, 06:05 PM
Nope! Jane called me insane and said that she's "done dealing with me" so I emailed Jose at the freewebcams.com site itself and got no response. Maybe he responded to her, but I haven't heard anything about the money they took away from me and Jane promised to pay me.
Totally worth ruining one's reputation over, eh?
Thymian
03-20-2015, 03:00 PM
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That's all I got but I am sorry to hear that Space. Still hoping for a happy ending for you. No one should have to cam for free.
space_cowgirl
03-21-2015, 03:32 PM
Thank you.