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caramelcraze
03-26-2015, 05:13 PM
Has anyone been able to successfully split this site with chaturbate? I can't seem to get the encoder/splitter to run cb & this site at the same time... like my fwc feed will run fine, but my cb cam & audio feed will not load if i'm using it... any tips? Is it possibly my antivirus? :/
space_cowgirl
03-27-2015, 09:36 AM
You could ask your studio or FWC. Good luck with that.
hyori
03-27-2015, 09:45 AM
Has anyone been able to successfully split this site with chaturbate? I can't seem to get the encoder/splitter to run cb & this site at the same time... like my fwc feed will run fine, but my cb cam & audio feed will not load if i'm using it... any tips? Is it possibly my antivirus? :/
When I was splitcamming FWC with CB it worked well. I didn't use the encoder with them. You would need to open a second encoder but it's really not necessary on FWC/CB to have the encoder...it doesn't help with placement or anything.
The FWC encoder/splitter sucks. Don't use it. It will actually place you lower on SM. Use Verysoft WebCamSplitter for all sites you split.
Thymian
03-27-2015, 11:52 PM
You could ask your studio or FWC. Good luck with that.
Did you ever get paid for those hours you worked for Freewebcams.com? I was hoping maybe you did when I saw Jane Burgess tweet, "Cam customers STOP expecting performers to work for free or dirt cheap. Its [sic] annoying, its [sic] rude and it needs to stop. Pay or log off, easy."
Since she seems adamant that no one should work for free, I was hoping that was a good sign for you (?).
SamanthaSugar
03-28-2015, 12:55 AM
Omg! I'm using their splitter with SM!! No wonder I had 0 traffic for the last 3 weeks, I thought it was just slow!!
space_cowgirl
03-28-2015, 09:34 AM
Did you ever get paid for those hours you worked for Freewebcams.com? I was hoping maybe you did when I saw Jane Burgess tweet, "Cam customers STOP expecting performers to work for free or dirt cheap. Its [sic] annoying, its [sic] rude and it needs to stop. Pay or log off, easy."
Since she seems adamant that no one should work for free, I was hoping that was a good sign for you (?).
No, as of today she has not paid me what I am owed.
Nocturnelle
03-28-2015, 11:06 AM
That is so beyond fucked up.
Jassi
03-30-2015, 03:53 PM
Wow I'm sorry space--thought she would step up and take care of it--but I guess her word is no good.
It sucks because she cams too--wth?? Jane is quick to jump on other posters on this forum if it seems rules are being broken on a site--not that I'm for anyone breaking rules, but if you're going to get on other webcam models--like take care of your responsibilities. Ugh that sucks--I really hope you can just get what you are owed, and from the post it doesn't even seem like a lot of money--it's the principle.
Good luck--webcam models do not work for free!! Show us the money!
foxilla
04-07-2015, 07:51 AM
Has anyone else used this site before, ive signed up for the $15 an hour but was wondering if anyone had tried it, i can see a lot of people have had bother with regards to being paid, does anyone else have any opinions? anyone had a good experience?
Cam_Model_Jess
04-07-2015, 09:57 AM
If you read the thread, there are both good & bad experiences listed.
foxilla
04-07-2015, 10:11 AM
I have read the full thing but a lot of it is filled with an argument, and was wondering if there was anyone who could give me some other info other than payment
hyori
04-07-2015, 10:32 AM
What does it matter, it sounds like you're going to work there regardless of what was written in the thread. You are going to ignore the fact that they will expect a certain look from you that meets their criteria from a scale of 1-10, their constantly changing rules, that you may not get paid correctly for the hours you've worked, and that you will, without notice, be kicked out of the studio if you do not meet a certain, unwritten sales quota. You will also have to be constantly scrutinized and told that you need to "step up your game" if they think you are not hustling well enough on cam.
Successful cam girls do their research, they read the entire thread.
Vlodina
04-07-2015, 10:33 AM
Considering some girls didn't even get paid, I really wouldn't risk it myself...
Bootsie
04-07-2015, 10:35 AM
I have read the full thing but a lot of it is filled with an argument, and was wondering if there was anyone who could give me some other info other than payment
If you read it, you have the information that is available. What information do you want other than payment?? Go perv on the site. Do the girls look interested? Is there traffic? Ultimately, only YOU can decide. Seriously, what more do you want other than 25+ pages of information about what other people have been through???
NikkiKlein
04-07-2015, 10:47 AM
Ive been with FWC for 5 months. I have never had an issue getting paid. What are you talking about with the changing of the rules? I was told the rules when I started & they are WAY more relaxed than other sites I have worked on. They sent out a rule sheet that I had to sign a few weeks ago, I assume it was because they have hourly pay models taking advantage of them. I actually saw a model sleeping this past weekend, do you think they should pay her for that?
The rules they sent basically said: If you are are working hourly, don't sleep, don't ignore the customers & if you do , you will taken off hourly & put on commission only. I think that is reasonable when they are paying an hourly guarantee. My husband is a bartender. If he went to work & ignored the customers & took a nap, do you NOT think they would fire him?
If you cant follow a few simple rules, don't work hourly. <rant/>
foxilla
04-07-2015, 10:49 AM
Thanks for the reply, was looking to hear from someone who had worked the site recently :)
SweetJulia
04-07-2015, 11:13 AM
So grateful I never signed up. People don't get paid, someone gets to tell you how to run your room for fifteen an hour, you're judged on a one to ten scale by a fat guy with a moustache-who I'd rate a two, btw. I'm sure Jane meant well, but if you can't pay models who were cut out of pocket, you shouldn't have a site. I mean, it's a few hundred to a few models. What person wouldn't do that to protect their reputation? This reminds me of a situation of when I was a booker for an escort service. Girls didn't give me my cut, I left a few grand in. Some who stayed are owed more now. You have to know when to get off a sinking ship. I can't understand why someone with so much of a reputation would let it be destroyed over a few hundred dollar losses.
foxilla
04-07-2015, 11:21 AM
That's a shame, I was really hoping it had maybe gotten better over time but obviously not
NikkiKlein
04-07-2015, 11:25 AM
15 / hr? Hahaha. From what I understand it's $15 to $25 / hour and that is just the guarantee. I get $25 + 50%. I am make about 140-180/ hour on average. if you only make 15 an hour, maybe consider another line of work.
Has anyone that is NOT going through a studio, not been paid??? Please speak up if this is the case.
I signed up directly and have NEVER experienced any of the problems described in this thread. I bet that is the issue. I would never pay a middle man/studio. Just my 2 cents.
Bootsie
04-07-2015, 11:47 AM
15 / hr? Hahaha. From what I understand it's $15 to $25 / hour and that is just the guarantee. I get $25 + 50%. I am make about 140-180/ hour on average. if you only make 15 an hour, maybe consider another line of work.
Has anyone that is NOT going through a studio, not been paid??? Please speak up if this is the case.
I signed up directly and have NEVER experienced any of the problems described in this thread. I bet that is the issue. I would never pay a middle man/studio. Just my 2 cents.
From what I can see, most of NikkiKlein's posts have been propping up FWC. Just MY 2 cents.
NikkiKlein
04-07-2015, 12:00 PM
Well, they pay my rent. I'm just participating in the conversation, do you only want negative feedback here? This is why I hate these boards.
audritwo
04-07-2015, 12:26 PM
Well, they pay my rent. I'm just participating in the conversation, do you only want negative feedback here? This is why I hate these boards.
Nikki, great you have had a positive experience. But you are making it seem they didn't get paid because they weren't working. The girls who did, I don't doubt it for a second they were trying to hustle the traffic that came into their room. Because I've been there, where your traffic turns out to be nonpaying. But other sites, I made money no problem. I'm pretty sure others can back me up on this. Some sites have a different hustle atmosphere that the traffic wants. That's the difference between private/token based sites. They said they tried, and I believe them, because they work hard on other sites too.
I understand the payment change, because its hard to fork over hourly pay, when there isn't an incentive. They weren't making much of a profit probably. But the way they ended, was poorly done, in my opinion. These women were told when payments should of been sent out. They didn't grandfather them in for another week and let them know or flat out didn't, and lied.
You are new here, but watch what you say about these broads. This isn't the first time a site hasn't paid models, and that's a sore subject around here. Because we have been ripped off and lied to by sites or studios. Seriously, if you wanted to be welcomed in this community, and your word be trusted, don't insult members and act catty. You'll find your self banned, or mob chased off. We are quite protective of one another.
NikkiKlein
04-07-2015, 12:52 PM
If you all want to "Mob Chase" me off , so be it. I may be new here, but I have been around much longer than most of you. I partially agree with you , I'm sure most girls try hard. When i first started with them, I didn't get many privates, but traffic has built a lot over the past 5 months (a whole lot in the last 5 weeks). In full disclosure, It took a while to get to making good $$$. Now don't kill the messenger, but I just spoke with FWC on Skype and they said: "We are 100% up to date with all payments, to studios and models. If someone didn't get paid, it would have been an outside studio, not us." I really don't want to be involved with this drama, I should have just kept my mouth shut, but seems to me everyone complaining about missing payments, went through a studio, Like I said in my last post.
So I ask again, who did not get paid that was NOT with a studio? Because I will be much more cautious if this is not a "Studio" issue.
audritwo
04-07-2015, 01:13 PM
If you all want to "Mob Chase" me off , so be it. I may be new here, but I have been around much longer than most of you. I partially agree with you , I'm sure most girls try hard. When i first started with them, I didn't get many privates, but traffic has built a lot over the past 5 months (a whole lot in the last 5 weeks). In full disclosure, It took a while to get to making good $$$. Now don't kill the messenger, but I just spoke with FWC on Skype and they said: "We are 100% up to date with all payments, to studios and models. If someone didn't get paid, it would have been an outside studio, not us." I really don't want to be involved with this drama, I should have just kept my mouth shut, but seems to me everyone complaining about missing payments, went through a studio, Like I said in my last post.
So I ask again, who did not get paid that was NOT with a studio? Because I will be much more cautious if this is not a "Studio" issue.
Then don't start acting catty. Okay? because that is how you were coming across. You are having a great experience with site you've started making a decent income on. Hey! Maybe the site is starting to get their shit together, and good for them. The way they decided to promote themselves on hiring models and how they handled this policy change has hurt their reputation on this site. If they plan on mending that, it's going to take a lot of time. Not over night.
loveshooks
04-07-2015, 01:32 PM
I just spoke with FWC on Skype and they said: "We are 100% up to date with all payments, to studios and models. If someone didn't get paid, it would have been an outside studio, not us." I really don't want to be involved with this drama, I should have just kept my mouth shut, but seems to me everyone complaining about missing payments, went through a studio, Like I said in my last post.
So I ask again, who did not get paid that was NOT with a studio? Because I will be much more cautious if this is not a "Studio" issue.
the thing is, it's really easy for a site and a studio to each cast off blame, leaving the chica who did the actual work unpaid. In Space's case (Issabelle, the other unpaid model had been paid in full by the studio at that point), I read through all the emails between her studio and herself that were provided to me, and from the looks of things it appears the site didn't bother to tell either the studio or Space that she was taken off hourly. As such Space continued working, not realizing that her hourly pay was no longer being provided. Of course the site has the right to remove chicas from hourly. They need to actually notify the model of that though, and in Space's case that didn't happen, or rather I saw no evidence that either Jane or Space were aware that decision had been made.
To me that's a site fuck-up, regardless of how the studio behaved.
I'm really glad you've had such a positive experience of FWC, no one wants any other chicas to get shafted so if your pay is coming in full and on time that's a good thing. I just want to echo Audri's comment about sw being a protective community, we're passionate in our responses to this site because most of us are appalled at how Space has been treated.
Anyways, you have every right to share your experience of the site and more importantly to be heard, and I'm glad your experience has been so markedly different from that of Space and Issabelle.
SweetJulia
04-07-2015, 05:10 PM
LoI'm tempted to join, but don't really want anyone to keep my guaranteed, though low, hourly rate. Or to be rated on a ridiculous scale, be told to up my game- what do they EXPECT for fifteen an hour, or to have my performer name posted on SW. It just seems suspicious the only model who got outed was one who called attention to the pay issues, which she's NOT alone in being a victim of. My apologies if it was a genuine mistake.
SamanthaSugar
04-07-2015, 07:54 PM
I've been working on FWC for about 2 months now and I've never had an issue with getting paid and it's always on time, granted I'm not with a studio plus the customer service is fantastic, wish I could say that about my main site. Maybe some of you girls should give them a go, it's a good site to split with at least. Tonight I'm making more with them then I am with SM, go figure.
TheBrownFox
04-08-2015, 10:41 AM
15 / hr? Hahaha. From what I understand it's $15 to $25 / hour and that is just the guarantee. I get $25 + 50%. I am make about 140-180/ hour on average. if you only make 15 an hour, maybe consider another line of work.
Wow, that was pretty rude. Not just you bragging about your earnings, but then having the nerve to tell a fellow model she should "consider another line of work" because YOU think her earnings aren't good enough. How dare you. Your earnings may be awesome, but your attitude is shitty.
TheBrownFox
04-08-2015, 10:47 AM
Well, they pay my rent. I'm just participating in the conversation, do you only want negative feedback here? This is why I hate these boards.
Then feel free to run along to one of the poorly moderated camming forums where it's perfectly fine to treat cam girls like shit. :)
NikkiKlein
04-08-2015, 10:50 AM
the thing is, it's really easy for a site and a studio to each cast off blame, leaving the chica who did the actual work unpaid. In Space's case (Issabelle, the other unpaid model had been paid in full by the studio at that point), I read through all the emails between her studio and herself that were provided to me, and from the looks of things it appears the site didn't bother to tell either the studio or Space that she was taken off hourly. As such Space continued working, not realizing that her hourly pay was no longer being provided. Of course the site has the right to remove chicas from hourly. They need to actually notify the model of that though, and in Space's case that didn't happen, or rather I saw no evidence that either Jane or Space were aware that decision had been made.
To me that's a site fuck-up, regardless of how the studio behaved.
I'm really glad you've had such a positive experience of FWC, no one wants any other chicas to get shafted so if your pay is coming in full and on time that's a good thing. I just want to echo Audri's comment about sw being a protective community, we're passionate in our responses to this site because most of us are appalled at how Space has been treated.
Anyways, you have every right to share your experience of the site and more importantly to be heard, and I'm glad your experience has been so markedly different from that of Space and Issabelle.
Please don't take this as being catty, not trying to portray that, but (I used to run a studio) & it is a studios responsibility to manage and pay it's models, if not why would a cam company ever work with a studio? Now if they were just referring models, you could 100% blame the cam company, but this does not sound like a model referral deal. That being said, I have been screwed over many times in this business but I just don't see that these guys shafted anyone. Further, not one model like me (direct , not in a studio) has said ANYTHING about not getting paid.
justanothercamgirl
04-08-2015, 11:06 AM
What does it matter, it sounds like you're going to work there regardless of what was written in the thread. You are going to ignore the fact that they will expect a certain look from you that meets their criteria from a scale of 1-10, their constantly changing rules, that you may not get paid correctly for the hours you've worked, and that you will, without notice, be kicked out of the studio if you do not meet a certain, unwritten sales quota. You will also have to be constantly scrutinized and told that you need to "step up your game" if they think you are not hustling well enough on cam.
Successful cam girls do their research, they read the entire thread.
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loveshooks
04-08-2015, 11:10 AM
Please don't take this as being catty, not trying to portray that, but (I used to run a studio) & it is a studios responsibility to manage and pay it's models, if not why would a cam company ever work with a studio? Now if they were just referring models, you could 100% blame the cam company, but this does not sound like a model referral deal. That being said, I have been screwed over many times in this business but I just don't see that these guys shafted anyone. Further, not one model like me (direct , not in a studio) has said ANYTHING about not getting paid.
I don't perceive your comment to be at all catty. I agree with you completely that studios are responsible for paying their models, but studios pay out with the funds they receive from the cam site. In the two instances that came out here on sw, that is where the problem originated; the cam site removed chicas from hourly, apparently didn't notify the studio or the chicas, and thus the studio was not given funds to send to their models. should the studio have paid out anyways? I'd argue that it should have (and I'm glad at least one chica got paid) but the fact remains that there is no evidence that the site notified anyone about the removal of hourly pay. That was their responsibility and they dropped the ball. As a result at least one chica performed work in good faith for which she was not compensated.
I went through dozens of emails provided to me by the studio that pertained to Space's experience of the site, from reading through it was apparent that neither party knew hourly had been removed until payouts were due and Space's funds were not released. That's not a professional or ethical way to operate a business.
Space and I work together on my site and we've come to a payout percentage arrangement that will have her paid back in full over time, with a little extra for the stress and character assassination factor. She's owed money and I'm glad we've figured out a way to get her the compensation she deserves. Still it's pretty shitty that both the studio and site would wash their hands of this, I think I have the right to say that considering the funds owed will be forthcoming from a site that wasn't even involved in this mess in the first place.
Like I wrote above I'm honestly really glad that your experience of the site has been so positive. The negative experiences of at least two models do not negate the value of your own, but the same also holds true in reverse. Your positive experience does not negate what Space and Issa went through, all the positive reports in the world can't change that.
about the tense turn that this thread is again taking, let's not go back down that road. It doesn't make sense for peers to fight with each other over the poor behavior of third parties.
justanothercamgirl
04-08-2015, 11:19 AM
I think Jess put it best......
If you read the thread, there are both good & bad experiences listed.
loveshooks
04-08-2015, 07:15 PM
in the interest of full transparency, I just checked the site mutliple account detector and turns out Nikki Klien is sharing the same computer as .
Considering that the guy promoting FWC and recruiting models is named Tim Siner I'd have to call that a stunning coincidence ;)
SarahTime
04-08-2015, 07:43 PM
in the interest of full transparency, I just checked the site mutliple account detector and turns out Nikki Klien is sharing the same computer as FWC Tim (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/member.php?136008-FWC-Tim).
Considering that the guy promoting FWC and recruiting models is named Tim Siner I'd have to call that a stunning coincidence ;)
baahahahahaha
Issabelle
04-08-2015, 08:19 PM
in the interest of full transparency, I just checked the site mutliple account detector and turns out Nikki Klien is sharing the same computer as FWC Tim (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/member.php?136008-FWC-Tim).
Considering that the guy promoting FWC and recruiting models is named Tim Siner I'd have to call that a stunning coincidence ;)
Now that's just fucking hilarious. Well Tim, if you're reading this (and we all know you are)--congratulations. There is actually no amount of damage control you can do to save your site in the eyes of this community save a multi-paragraph apology, full transparency of policies, and payment to all models involved (as well as reimbursement to their studios, if they had to pay to cover your ass). We'll be waiting. :)
loveshooks
04-08-2015, 09:36 PM
Now that's just fucking hilarious
If it wasn't at the expense of you and Space for the hassle you both went through, I'd have to agree.
One comment I want to make, a few posts back 'Nikki' was asking if anyone not in a studio was having payout issues. At the time I found the stridency/focus on the studio issue odd, but I figured 'she' had read the thread and assumed that this was a Jane-centric issue. Now I realize, Tim was trying to deflect blame away from the site on to one of his studio owners. Way to throw a colleague under the bus, Tim.
I'm not impressed by the way Jane handled the Space issue and she knows that. She also knows that I respect her immensely, I hope at least. She put her own name and reputation on the line in joining your site as a studio and you let her down (in the same way you let down Space), and once the ish hit the fan you're here kicking her even further under. You didn't pay Jane, this is why all this is happening.
Since you're here and obviously reading this thread, why not forward me the email where you notified Jane or Space that the latter was being removed from hourly?
[email protected] Both work with me on my site so there's no privacy issue as far as identifying details (names, email addresses). Alternatively you can post a screen cap over in industry insight with identifying details (names, email addresses) removed, I kept your FWC Tim account unbanned for just that purpose. If no evidence is forthcoming then you're pretty much proving the suspicion that the notification doesn't in fact exist. if that's the case, anyone with any reason would agree that you owe Space her hourly pay up until the time she was notified that it was removed (which based on the emails I read didn't occur after her expected payment didn't get sent). In short, absent any proof an ethical business owner would pay her for the hours she worked in good faith.
You can select an option above or tarnish your site's reputation here on sw over what in the greater perspective of things is a very small sum. I'm happy to repay your debt, but if you wanna do something right for a change that would be a good start.
Space deserves better than the way you've treated her. Jane does too.
Bootsie
04-09-2015, 01:31 AM
I'd like to say that I called it several posts back! Thank you, I'll be here all week...try the fish.
audritwo
04-09-2015, 05:00 AM
Lol, I loved how when you called him out on it, he created some thread (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?199751-The-Perfect-Cam-Site-please-chime-in-lt-lt-lt) about your perfect camsite. Seemed like the bullshit market research studio/site puppets post on here. I had my sneaky suspicion, that they were a sock puppet.
I have no problem with reps talking with us on here and having a discussion. Like how Natalie does with MC, or many others. But creating catfish accounts. Nope. If you want to improve your reputation with your camsite, don't do shit like this. It just hurts it even more. Be a real person, good grief.
DancesWithSloths
04-09-2015, 05:10 AM
Camgirls are dumb tho, amirite? Would never spot an astroturfer. Nope.
justanothercamgirl
04-09-2015, 06:09 AM
I have no problem with reps talking with us on here and having a discussion. Like how Natalie does with MC, or many others. But creating catfish accounts. Nope. If you want to improve your reputation with your camsite, don't do shit like this. It just hurts it even more. Be a real person, good grief.
Exactly! You'd think that other businesses in this industry would have noticed that camgirls have no problem recommending Cam4, MC, C4S or others (and sometimes with fanatical loyalty) because they have great reps on SW that treat camgirls like colleagues and are interested in making money together.
They also have zero problem with giving their true opinions about companies that treat them like serfs.
Moral of the story?
Be good to your camgirls......after all they are the ones that can make or break you.
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hyori
04-09-2015, 07:16 AM
We need an awards show for porn like the Razzies. One of the awards will be for "Worst Lameass Attempt at Camsite Startup". The nominees will be FWC for all the carnival events here and CamGod for all of the screwups with posting model ID's as profile pictures and non-payment in the thousands to top models. Worst Overall Camsite would be a tie between Bonga and LJ.
foxilla
04-09-2015, 08:10 AM
wow, the only person to have something good to say turns out to be the site owner.. this site must be REALLY bad
Bootsie
04-09-2015, 09:38 AM
Space and I work together on my site and we've come to a payout percentage arrangement that will have her paid back in full over time, with a little extra for the stress and character assassination factor. She's owed money and I'm glad we've figured out a way to get her the compensation she deserves. Still it's pretty shitty that both the studio and site would wash their hands of this, I think I have the right to say that considering the funds owed will be forthcoming from a site that wasn't even involved in this mess in the first place.
I am just going to put it out there that I disagree with this approach. It's your money and you can do what you like, obviously, but I'm not sure that cushioning people from shitty life events is really a business you want to be in. The public awfulness that space and Issa went through was shitty, but at the same time if you take a risk on a new site offering low traffic but an unsustainable hourly pay, and you have issues with the studio, that really really sucks. If you want to be the white knight camgirl charity, so be it, but that does leave a bad taste in my mouth.
loveshooks
04-09-2015, 10:35 AM
oh god, please don't call me a white knight, that's not what this is about at all.
My reasoning for the arrangement was this: when Jane's studio opened I allowed her thread to be posted in cc (because Jane has been a part of this community for years and she was, at least initially, very open to public questions and comments about her site). Would Space and Issa have joined even if there wasn't a prominent thread in cc? Maybe, we'll never know, but in retrospect I regret that decision. Then, after the ish hit the fan I got involved to try to mediate a solution at Jane's request. That was only partially successful, in Space's case I failed at that goal. I don't like failure. So yeah, because of how all of this unfolded and because I work with both parties I do feel involved, not responsible, but involved.
I work with Space, she joined my site early on when it didn't really have any traffic other than my own regs and I'm grateful to her for that, same as I am to everyone else who took a risk on what was at the time a brand new site. She did me a huge favor by investing her time (the world's most valuable commodity) in my site, now I'm in a position to return the gesture. The arrangement we came to doesn't take any significant $$$$ out of my pocket, it's an arrangement that will recoup Space the funds she's owed in a way that doesn't negatively impact me at all because of how the arrangement is structured. To me that's a win-win.
Space is smart and hard working, she doesn't need to be 'saved' and our arrangement is not 'charity'. My intent was and is this: there is a problem that needs to be solved. I'm in a position to help solve that problem. Space deserves better than the way she's been treated and I think any site owner with any shred of ethics, particularly any site owner who had been involved in this mess to the extent that I have been, would do the same.
We need an awards show for porn like the Razzies
I actually love that idea :D
Prussia
04-09-2015, 11:44 AM
15 / hr? Hahaha. From what I understand it's $15 to $25 / hour and that is just the guarantee. I get $25 + 50%. I am make about 140-180/ hour on average. if you only make 15 an hour, maybe consider another line of work.
Has anyone that is NOT going through a studio, not been paid??? Please speak up if this is the case.
I signed up directly and have NEVER experienced any of the problems described in this thread. I bet that is the issue. I would never pay a middle man/studio. Just my 2 cents.
Reading this comment coming from you, now confirming you are secretly the owner of the site, I can't believe how low and sad this post truly is. Not only are you pretending to be a model and making up facts, you are also belittling and berating your own models & other models while cowardly trying to hide behind a poorly made false persona. That is so beyond fucked up I can't even put words to it. So unprofessional, pathetic and rude. I really hope that the other models that are on your site eventually get word of your "business ethic". No model should work for a scumbag like you. At least one of the good things that came from this thread is confirming your true character, that was observed and eventually solidified to fact.
Cam_Model_Jess
04-09-2015, 01:08 PM
I am just going to put it out there that I disagree with this approach. It's your money and you can do what you like, obviously, but I'm not sure that cushioning people from shitty life events is really a business you want to be in. The public awfulness that space and Issa went through was shitty, but at the same time if you take a risk on a new site offering low traffic but an unsustainable hourly pay, and you have issues with the studio, that really really sucks. If you want to be the white knight camgirl charity, so be it, but that does leave a bad taste in my mouth.
This was really out in left field. All the crappy people disrespecting models in this industry, all the studios, sites & scammers taking advantage of models, and you want to take the time to point out how you disagree with one model/ site owner helping another model recoup a small amount of money. Interesting choice.
Bootsie
04-09-2015, 01:17 PM
I just think it is weird that she put it out here. If she wants to quietly solve things behind the scenes with space, that is fine and 100% up to her. But I think putting it out in the open for everyone to see is weird. There is a very strange conflict with Loveshooks the mod on this board and Loveshooks the business owner.
But yeah, if someone helps someone out and blasts all over the board that they are doing it, that makes me uncomfortable. I mean what do you want, a ticker-tape parade?
Bootsie
04-09-2015, 01:25 PM
My reasoning for the arrangement was this: when Jane's studio opened I allowed her thread to be posted in cc (because Jane has been a part of this community for years and she was, at least initially, very open to public questions and comments about her site). Would Space and Issa have joined even if there wasn't a prominent thread in cc? Maybe, we'll never know, but in retrospect I regret that decision. Then, after the ish hit the fan I got involved to try to mediate a solution at Jane's request. That was only partially successful, in Space's case I failed at that goal. I don't like failure. So yeah, because of how all of this unfolded and because I work with both parties I do feel involved, not responsible, but involved.
Maybe if that is the case that the CC thread was what made you feel it was a bit on you somehow, CC should go back to not allowing ANYONE to post their business ventures in it? That would make it a lot more clear-cut imo. That would also call into question some of the site reps (ModelCentro, SkyPrivate) that post in CC as well. Just my 2 cents. It has already caused one train wreck, it might be wise to re-up on the rules to prevent further issues, even if bending and breaking them has been convenient to a large extent.
loveshooks
04-09-2015, 01:49 PM
I just think it is weird that she put it out here. If she wants to quietly solve things behind the scenes with space, that is fine and 100% up to her. But I think putting it out in the open for everyone to see is weird. There is a very strange conflict with Loveshooks the mod on this board and Loveshooks the business owner.
But yeah, if someone helps someone out and blasts all over the board that they are doing it, that makes me uncomfortable. I mean what do you want, a ticker-tape parade?
Space and I reached our agreement weeks ago, this is not a new thing. I really didn't intend to put ish on blast and I certainly don't want a parade. I didn't think it was that big a deal, sincere apologies if my words came across as such. If anything I just thought it was cool that we were able to come up with a solution that didn't result in a loss by either party (myself or Space).
as to the reference to "conflict with Loveshooks the mod on this board and Loveshooks the business owner", could you explain what that is in reference to? I've never sensed (not saying it's not there, only that this is the first I'm hearing of it) any discomfort from anyone and I try to relate to peeps the same way whether they're on sw, on my site, both or neither. If I am doing something that makes you (or anyone else) uncomfortable I hope you would feel comfortable speaking up.
Maybe if that is the case that the CC thread was what made you feel it was a bit on you somehow, CC should go back to not allowing ANYONE to post their business ventures in it? That would make it a lot more clear-cut imo. That would also call into question some of the site reps (ModelCentro, SkyPrivate) that post in CC as well. Just my 2 cents. It has already caused one train wreck, it might be wise to re-up on the rules to prevent further issues, even if bending and breaking them has been convenient to a large extent.
I think that's a worthwhile discussion to have.
an update, Tim reached out to me via email and has committed to looking into this. Since all evidence points to the fact that no one from FWC notified either Space or Jane about the removal from hourly, I'm hoping he'll do the right thing. Based on everything I read in the emails provided to me by Jane, at minimum Space deserves the missing funds and a sincere apology for how she's been treated.
It appears that I'm doing more damage than good in this thread at this point. That wasn't my intent, I do apologize and I'll back off now.
and Boots, if you want to talk either publicly or privately about the issues you addressed above I hope you'll feel comfortable doing so.