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justanothercamgirl
04-09-2015, 02:06 PM
as to the reference to "conflict with Loveshooks the mod on this board and Loveshooks the business owner", could you explain what that is in reference to? I've never sensed (not saying it's not there, only that this is the first I'm hearing of it) any discomfort from anyone and I try to relate to peeps the same way whether they're on sw, on my site, both or neither. If I am doing something that makes you (or anyone else) uncomfortable I hope you would feel comfortable speaking up.

I completely understand how you would feel that people would be comfortable speaking up on this issue....but because this conflict does exist I can also understand how people wouldn't be comfortable speaking up about it.

Not that I would ever, ever EVER compare you in anyway to Princess Jenny.....(EVER!) but do you remember how a conflict existed when he was a member of Camming Connection?

I have no doubt that your heart is always in the right place loveshooks....but I must confess that even I am slightly afraid to agree with Boo right now that a conflict does exist.

Edited to add: I just want to say that this conflict doesn't just apply to Loveshooks. As Bootsie pointed out it applies to pretty much every rep in Camming Connection when they could just as easily be put in 'Industry Insight'. It just becomes more glaring when a mod is also a business owner 'advertising' in the section.

JaneBurgess
04-09-2015, 03:46 PM
The site just confirmed they are paying Space out directly. Everyone has been paid out and I hope the site will do well. I know things havent been perfect and looking back I would change some of the things I did and how I handled them. I'm not perfect, I fucked up and I learned a lot from this experience. I do however feel like a lot of people on here have a mob mentality and attack people with little actual knowledge of certain situations. You should give both parties a change to explain the situation and then go on from there.

As for the other drama that was in here, damn.

caramelcraze
04-09-2015, 06:06 PM
It just becomes more glaring when a mod is also a business owner 'advertising' in the section.
I agree to a point. I really don't mind business owners or reps in CC, especially when they're a contributing part of the community, don't spam, and generally behave themselves. I personally think it's nice to be able to publicly ask them questions, receive answers, be aware of updates to their site, and generally see how they interact.

What I will say is this:
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I've personally never seen mods in CC react unacceptably as far as banning people who have overstepped their bounds in one way or another (which I truly thank all of the CC mods for), but there is a huge potential for abuse of power if a CC mod is also a cam related business owner. It also puts the users of the forum in an awkward position. On one hand, I don't want to be penalized if I share my honest experience about a site/studio owned by a mod on the site. On the other hand, I know that I should be allowed to have my experience heard; be it good or bad.
Again, I have yet to see this become an issue, but there's always a possibility of it when there's a conflict of interest.

laurielegs
04-09-2015, 10:02 PM
Maybe if that is the case that the CC thread was what made you feel it was a bit on you somehow, CC should go back to not allowing ANYONE to post their business ventures in it? That would make it a lot more clear-cut imo. That would also call into question some of the site reps (ModelCentro, SkyPrivate) that post in CC as well. Just my 2 cents. It has already caused one train wreck, it might be wise to re-up on the rules to prevent further issues, even if bending and breaking them has been convenient to a large extent.

I'd rather see the posts here really. I've never seen a more thorough trial by fire than when a new site posts in here.

If there are problems with the site in any way, CC will find them and either motivate them to fix issues or make everyone aware that they are not worth working for.

Also has worked the other way for me too, helping me find a nice assortment of reliable sites to put in my basket.

loveshooks
04-09-2015, 10:59 PM
What I will say is this:
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I feel you on that. Due to both LCMS and sw (in terms of performing verifications) I have been given a lot of information about a lot of members of this community. I don't take either responsibility lightly, all I can say is that thus far my record of complete discretion and honesty remains intact (I wanted to address that since PJ was mentioned above). Also, unlike PJ everyone here knows who I am on cam, and each person who has ever received a payment from me on LCMS knows my real name as well. I'm not hiding anything, ya'll have as much info on me as I have on any of you. I also want to point out that unless a sw chica is out here or chooses to disclose her identity, I have no idea which sw members are who on LCMS. Hell, I didn't even know who Space was on LCMS until the (unacceptable and dealt with) outing earlier in this thread occurred.


I've personally never seen mods in CC react unacceptably as far banning people who have overstepped their bounds in one way or another (which I truly thank all of the CC mods for), but there is a huge potential for abuse of power if a CC mod is also a cam related business owner. It also puts the users of the forum in an awkward position. On one hand, I don't want to be penalized if I share my honest experience about a site/studio owned by a mod on the site. On the other hand, I know that I should be allowed to have my experience heard; be it good or bad.
Again, I have yet to see this become an issue, but there's always a possibility of it when there's a conflict of interest.

It's funny how where someone stands affects perspective. I do see your point about the potential for abuse of power, what I find striking is that up until reading your post I saw my ownership of the site and mod duties as reinforcing the importance of behaving with character. I would anyways of course but in terms of business a reputation for being ethical is important, I think that goes doubly so when it comes to sw'ers (this whole thread being a perfect example of the response when things go south). I also want to point out that every mod here has a direct superior (the Supermod) so it's not like I could go on a rampage even if I wanted to do so. This forum has checks and balances in place, and any member of the community is free to approach a mod or the supermod if they feel that something unjust has occurred.

One of the reasons I was so surprised by some of the commentary in this thread is that I honestly feel like opening LCMS has made me a better mod. Before I did I was burned the fuck out on both camming and camgirls (there was some sw drama going on at the time that I made the decision to make the site that was tedious to deal with), but getting to work with peeps I actually enjoy brought me back around 180 degrees.

In terms of criticism of my site, I haven't received a ton thus far, mainly I think because I'm pretty open with LCMS listees about the 'work in progress' element of the site (a wonky online models feature, re-hauling the backend for an admin panel and c4s-like video upload system) that they find problematic. Still, anyone is welcome to make any comments they wish about the site, I don't consider it 'off-limits' by any means and I would hope my peers on the site would know that they have nothing to risk in doing so. Same goes for any sw'er who isn't on the site. I'm not afraid of criticism because I'm confident in my business structure, the existing site and my ongoing work on the site that will solve some of the issues both myself and site listees have identified. My response to criticism will always be 'you're right, let's change that' if it's a problem that can be solved, or "I'm sorry, I can't' with an explanation why if it's something that isn't practically feasible or permitted by my bank. I like problem-solving, and I see criticism as an integral element of that process.

I always try to stress that I want the site to be different, to more collaborative in nature* and I can't do that without feedback. If someone chooses to believe that they'll be penalized for speaking up, I don't know what more I can do other than to say it won't happen. If it were to happen there are systems in place for dealing with that, but it's not going to happen.

*speaking to collaboration, if nothing else running LCMS has taught me that sites are fucking crazy to not actively solicit feedback from cam chicas regarding business model and individual aspects/items of their sites. Some of the most successful elements of the site thus far as things I hadn't even thought of, that were brought to my attention by peeps who took the time to ask "I don't like this, can we do that instead?"

In terms of running the site I perceive it as a dual role. half position of power (in that I control the money before it gets sent out) and half a position of serving my 'non cam' clients: the listees on the site. In terms of sw I do have mod powers, but y'all have some agency too, this isn't some dictatorship controlled by me.

those are my thoughts on the issues raised. I hope I've been able to convey my assurance that as a mod or site owner I don't consider myself 'off limits'

as to Space, I'm so relieved that this is finally over. While I'm pretty appalled at how long it took to reach a resolution to this issue that would get Space paid immediately, I do thank Tim for reaching out and stepping up.

justanothercamgirl
04-10-2015, 06:59 AM
Also, unlike PJ everyone here knows who I am on cam, and each person who has ever received a payment from me on LCMS knows my real name as well. I'm not hiding anything, ya'll have as much info on me as I have on any of you.

I somehow miscommunication my point. The point I was trying to make it that it is hard for people to feel open to criticize the people who are in charge of giving them money. The way that people in most jobs find it awkward to criticize the boss. Thus the conflict of interest.

Edited to add: Since you are both the mod of Camming Connection and Verified as well this make it a double-whammy

space_cowgirl
04-11-2015, 07:15 PM
So far I have not heard from FWC directly regarding my payment. I will definitely post here when I receive my long overdue check!

audritwo
04-11-2015, 08:13 PM
Yes please do! <3

justanothercamgirl
04-12-2015, 05:44 AM
I also want to point out that every mod here has a direct superior (the Supermod) so it's not like I could go on a rampage even if I wanted to do so. This forum has checks and balances in place, and any member of the community is free to approach a mod or the supermod if they feel that something unjust has occurred.

When it comes to the checks and balances of the site, I did want to mention to the other girls on the forum that when it comes to approaching the SuperMod the last time I had an issue that required her assistance it took me over three months to even get a hold of her so I could get it resolved.

I mean, she was amazing and nice....but still.....three months. :)

Bootsie
04-12-2015, 01:37 PM
It's funny how where someone stands affects perspective. I do see your point about the potential for abuse of power, what I find striking is that up until reading your post I saw my ownership of the site and mod duties as reinforcing the importance of behaving with character. I would anyways of course but in terms of business a reputation for being ethical is important, I think that goes doubly so when it comes to sw'ers (this whole thread being a perfect example of the response when things go south). I also want to point out that every mod here has a direct superior (the Supermod) so it's not like I could go on a rampage even if I wanted to do so. This forum has checks and balances in place, and any member of the community is free to approach a mod or the supermod if they feel that something unjust has occurred.

One of the reasons I was so surprised by some of the commentary in this thread is that I honestly feel like opening LCMS has made me a better mod. Before I did I was burned the fuck out on both camming and camgirls (there was some sw drama going on at the time that I made the decision to make the site that was tedious to deal with), but getting to work with peeps I actually enjoy brought me back around 180 degrees.


I don't want to beat a dead horse, because I am aware that there isn't anything I can say that is going to tip this balance, but the perception of potential conflict of interest isn't about how YOU feel about it, but how OTHERS perceive it. I have been uncomfortable for a while with reps in Camming Connection who are permitted because they are female. The "Industry Discussions" section of the forum is pretty clear about it being only for current/former/future performers. I realize that the online nature of camming blurs some boundaries, but a female strip club manager would never be permitted to post in the General Stripping section of Industry Discussions, but by allowing site reps (and that does include LCMS, as well as Katy Boleyn, Jane's FWC studio, ModelCentro, and SkyPrivate) in, it changes the balance. In your first post about LCMS, Loveshooks, you mentioned "I'm availing myself of the 'cam chicas get to post promotional material' in cc thing" and I think that we have strayed from just allowing camgirls to do it into allowing companies (ModelCentro, SkyPrivate) to promote in here as well.

I am not comfortable with this. I truly believe that you have no sinister motives or anything like that, and that you come from a place of awesomeness, but in the current situation (I too have attempted to contact super mod in the past, but got no response, and IsobelWren appears to have disappeared) you are the ONLY active mod in both Camming Connection AND the Verified group, as well as being a business owner. You are wicked and my experiences with you have been good, but that conflict makes me uncomfortable.

*puts on flame-proof suit*

KatyBoleyn
04-12-2015, 02:24 PM
I think my only counterpoint to that argument is that by being here, you are throwing yourself into the shark tank. Whereas most adult businesses easily get away with simply making up whatever line they want, you really have to stay on your toes to stay in good graces here and this only benefits the models using these services. Its also a major advantage for real existing models to get a credibility advantage on the outside competition, something I do think is right and fair...but also prone to what happened here when a cammodel/business owner gets cynical.

Verified I can agree on, which is why I opted myself out of it. It was actually more of a case of other studio owners there not wanting me to talk, but final thought before I closed my access there was that I had crossed that line to being a business owner. I don't expect anyone else to agree or follow that line of thought though. The soldiers do need a place to privately blow off steam (or plot a coup) without the officers standing on their heads...you can tell I grew up a (Romanian-style) army brat :) That may or may not outweigh useful insider info that can be shared.

For us (BoleynModels) being here, right now its about efficiency in communicating more than anything else. We can reach more of our current clients quicker by making a post in our thread than sending mass emails that don't get read, and many of our clients feel they get faster service posting openly than emails.

What I don't want to see is a reaction to someone's poor handling of a $200 or so problem turn into a big disadvantage for any cammodel that wishes to start her own business in the future. We turned out very well and established, and being relegated elsewhere would hurt a little but wouldn't be devastating - starting about 2 months ago we've gotten more signups externally than community driven. What it would hurt badly is other cammodels that haven't had their chance to prove themselves yet.

loveshooks
04-12-2015, 03:18 PM
the perception of potential conflict of interest isn't about how YOU feel about it, but how OTHERS perceive it.

that was the point I attempted to make a few posts back, I can't read minds and if someone has an issue or concern it needs to be articulated in order to be addressed.


I have been uncomfortable for a while with reps in Camming Connection who are permitted because they are female. The "Industry Discussions" section of the forum is pretty clear about it being only for current/former/future performers. I realize that the online nature of camming blurs some boundaries, but a female strip club manager would never be permitted to post in the General Stripping section of Industry Discussions, but by allowing site reps (and that does include LCMS, as well as Katy Boleyn, Jane's FWC studio, ModelCentro, and SkyPrivate) in, it changes the balance. In your first post about LCMS, Loveshooks, you mentioned "I'm availing myself of the 'cam chicas get to post promotional material' in cc thing" and I think that we have strayed from just allowing camgirls to do it into allowing companies (ModelCentro, SkyPrivate) to promote in here as well.

all of the sites you mentioned above had threads here in cc before I even began to plan LCMS, if you recall in that post I also asked the community if y'all would feel more comfortable if I moved it elsewhere and every single reply stated that it was fine where it was. Again, I can't respond to issues or concerns that aren't addressed, I guess I'm wondering why it had to come up in an outburst a few pages back rather than just talking to me about it or raising it as an issue in a thread.


(I too have attempted to contact super mod in the past, but got no response, and IsobelWren appears to have disappeared) you are the ONLY active mod in both Camming Connection AND the Verified group, as well as being a business owner.

contacting the supermod is not the most effective way to address issues. The supermod has her hands full dealing with the admin elements of the site, however sw has 8 mods, most of whom are active here every day. They are the best people to contact if someone has an issue with mod behavior in any section.


*puts on flame-proof suit*

the point I'm trying to make is that you don't need one.


prone to what happened here when a cammodel/business owner gets cynical.

could you explain that comment? I don't understand how any of my actions or choices on or off sw could be construed as 'cynical'


For us (BoleynModels) being here, right now its about efficiency in communicating more than anything else. We can reach more of our current clients quicker by making a post in our thread than sending mass emails that don't get read, and many of our clients feel they get faster service posting openly than emails.

I find the same, I receive far more feedback from chicas who read the LCMS thread than I do from the mass emails I send out relating to site updates.


What I don't want to see is a reaction to someone's poor handling of a $200 or so problem turn into a big disadvantage for any cammodel that wishes to start her own business in the future. We turned out very well and established, and being relegated elsewhere would hurt a little but wouldn't be devastating - starting about 2 months ago we've gotten more signups externally than community driven. What it would hurt badly is other cammodels that haven't had their chance to prove themselves yet.

I share your concern. Right now there are 4 model-run enterprises here on sw. Only one of those four had some bumpy moments. I would hope that will be the focus when new model-run enterprises arise in the future.

As far as verified, I was voted into that position by members of the group. I perceive all of my positions as attempts to serve this community, if that's no longer desired then I'd be perfectly fine with that.

I guess what I don't understand is why things had to come to this. We are a community and we need to be able to talk to each other.

KatyBoleyn
04-12-2015, 03:21 PM
Cynical wasn't directed at you loveshooks :) Cynical is when you start thinking of your models as your underlings and forget where you came from.


I guess what I don't understand is why things had to come to this. We are a community and we need to be able to talk to each other.

I think we are...I hope so anyways.

Cam_Model_Jess
04-12-2015, 04:16 PM
I don't venture out into other areas of the site, so I'm sure my opinion on the matter is greatly influenced by that. If there's a camgirl-run service that I could benefit from, or that I need to avoid, I want to know about it. I think the best way for me personally to get that information is for the posts to be here in CC. I agree that when the owners of services post here they are subject to a great deal of scrutiny. We are smart ladies who look out for ourselves, and that's very obvious when a new service owner posts here. However, I do believe that the service owner's ability to post here should be dependent upon the receptiveness to questions & criticism.

If a service owner simply wants to post an ad & has no interest in answering questions about the service, engaging in productive & professional conversation, and using the thread as a place to receive suggestions & offer support, then the thread has no business being here. However, I think most people would agree that it's a huge resource for us to be able to engage service owners here. Does that need to be done in another section of the board? Maybe? I certainly have no problem with it being done here. However, like I said, I don't venture into other areas of the site, so I'm sure that has a lot to do with why I'm ok with the info being here.

Honestly, I'd never thought of these threads as not belonging in CC. Again, I'm sure, a product of my self-imposed isolation to CC. But I suppose I'm just wondering what the problem really is.

One thing to consider is that if the people running the services don't start the threads here, cam models will. And then are the owners to not respond within the thread but start a new thread elsewhere & link to that? I suppose that's one way to handle it. But I think Katy brings up a good point that it's a nice perk for our fellow cam models to be able to advertise here, as long as they're professional about it.

Specifically with regards to LCMS, I might not have signed up for the site if I wasn't able to read the thread here. I'd never been on an indy listing site before (other than to accept payments for clips), and I was really nervous about. I had no idea what it was all about. Being able to read several pages of info, and see the site progress through response to suggestions, made me much more comfortable. Just me, but I probably wouldn't have gone to another section to read up. An advantage for loveshooks? Absolutely. But also an advantage for me. I calculated that I've made an extra $550 from clip payments & cam shows, due solely to the increased percentage on loveshook's site vs. the last site I was using. A big advantage to me as well. And no freakin' way is Mark from CMD, or any owner of a big box site going to listen to me & help me out the way loveshooks has.

Cam_Model_Jess
04-12-2015, 04:35 PM
Ugh, sorry, my post was getting long. With regards to comfort in approaching site owners with issues, and the whole conflict of interest thing: I do agree that it's all about perception. At this point in time, my perception is that a tangible issue has yet to arise. Again, just personal opinion/ comfort level, but if I had a problem with loveshooks, I would approach her about it. I feel confident that whatever the issue, we'd work it out. I don't feel like I'd be afraid of any reprisal here. Or in Verified. I honestly can't think of a reason I'd need to vent to my other fellow cam models about the service. However, if that need arose, it would be as a result of having approached loveshooks & being unable to work out the issue. Then doesn't that issue belong here, in a place where other cam models can read about it?

FWC is the perfect example. Sure, a fellow cam model gained the trust of other cam models (perhaps moreso because the thread was here in CC) and the situation got ugly (not assigning blame to anyone... not trying to start drama again... just using this as an example since it IS the FWC thread), but that really backfired when issues were posted about after not being resolved privately.

If loveshooks, or any other cam model running a service, has issues with her site that are so severe that they can't be worked out privately, she will be called to account here, where we can all read about it.

justanothercamgirl
04-12-2015, 05:31 PM
I guess what I don't understand is why things had to come to this. We are a community and we need to be able to talk to each other.

I was hoping we were talking? Aren't we? I sure hope we are because I truly do believe that it is a conversation that needs to be had.

In my opinion, how we came to 'this' has been through a bunch of things that happened at the same time. We had a very respected model who started a studio and did not fulfill her promise to pay some other camgirls which is a horrid breach of trust. This breach of trust brought on a secondary conversation about the fact that you being both the moderator of camming connection as well as the verified section is a conflict of interest because if anyone had any (hypothetical) issues with your business would have no 'safe' space to complain and also a generalized conversation on whether camgirls who own a business (or businesses directly marketing to camgirls) should be in Camming Connection and/or verified for this same reason.

I do think after this whole FWC fiasco we really should have a conversation about how we should precede from this point forward. I do think it is a worthy conversation to have. (Maybe not for in this exact thread, but the clusterfuck of one camgirl not paying another is the reason we got here.) There are no 'right' or 'wrong' answers in this conversation. It is just something to think about.

In summary: I hope you don't believe that this conversation has anything to do with you as a person. You are very caring mod and a very caring business women. No one is disputing that at all.

SarahTime
04-12-2015, 07:21 PM
Maybe there should be a new thread to talk about this?

My ONLY issue with site reps being allowed to post is camming connection is that when they do, I always assume the likely hood that they are actually MEN using female names/profiles to gain access to this section is extremely high. That just brings about deception right from the beginning, which I think really sucks. The only reasonable explanation for Princess Jenny, for example, pretending to be female was so that he could be in this area of the forum as an active member. And look how that turned out. Ever since then I pretty much assume any site owner that posts here that is a "female" and not a cam girl, is like 80% chance of being male.

That's my only issue. If it matters. :)

RaineyLane
04-12-2015, 08:13 PM
Woah! What the heck happened with FreeWebCams??!! Not sure if I want to go back and read the old posts tho...

space_cowgirl
04-13-2015, 10:02 AM
I like seeing model-run businesses here in CC. Just like Jess said, it's the perfect place for us to learn about and share our experiences, whether good or bad.

space_cowgirl
04-17-2015, 08:04 AM
Tim says my check is being mailed today with $0 being sent to Jane. Will post when it arrives.

space_cowgirl
04-23-2015, 12:21 PM
I received my FWC check today! I stand by everything I've said about the site and the studio I unfortunately worked with, but I am happy that FWC stepped up and finally paid me what they owed. I know that it was in large part due to Loveshooks' involvement and taking this public, but that's what had to be done. I'm grateful for this community and for the chance to let each other know which sites to take chances with and which to avoid.

audritwo
04-23-2015, 12:34 PM
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Issabelle
04-23-2015, 04:10 PM
FUCK YEAH! I'm still not thrilled with the site or the studio, nor would I ever be able to recommend it to customers or models, but they've stepped up at least. Hopefully they can turn it into a successful business with a good working relationship with the community too.

Or not, but hey, I'm an optimist.

SamanthaSugar
06-17-2015, 11:18 PM
I'm digging this thread up because it just baffels me how I can do so well on SM at suck so miserably on FWC. I'm lucky that I even make $20 in tokens a day. I split so it's not the end of the world that I do so shitty but still hardly anybody ever takes me to private and when they do I'm shocked!
Does anyone do well on here?

bootiebabe
06-18-2015, 04:53 AM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder the whole you need to be at least a 7 for that cam site baffles me, its not going anywhere fast with that attitude imo, you can be as pretty as anything and have zero personality, variety is key! How many guys are doing the whole "at least a 7 criteria" on that site? A 7 to one person is a 4 to another!

Katie0
07-08-2015, 02:03 PM
I don't do great either.. But I didn't expect to make much money on tokens because the site is new. I usually make 70.00 worth of tokens (my cut) in about 6 hrs. I'd be interested how other models are doing. I recieved a warning email in May about cutting my hourly if I wasn't more engaging. I never check the email address it was sent too so I just saw it today! The email said that they will be cutting my hourly by 50% if they don't see a improvement within a week.

Issabelle
07-08-2015, 02:47 PM
Sadly, I'm not surprised that this site is still playing dirty. That said, I am surprised that it's still running. I mean, really, where are they finding the money to throw at this shit storm of a site? Because if they have a magical money tree, I want one.

Seriously though, I'm sorry they're threatening your hourly pay as well. Once again, it's a game of bait and switch: 'hey, we know the traffic is poor (and has been since we opened almost a year ago), so we'll give you a small hourly wage to tolerate the B.S. of low traffic/spenders to get you in; of course, once you're in, we'll hold that wage over your head as leverage to make you do more and more for us OR try to retroactively add rules that mean we don't have to pay you. Because you're in now--haha, joke's on you!'

I can't even with the ownership of this site. They've burned so many people at this point.

audritwo
07-09-2015, 08:26 AM
I don't think the hourly pay is worth it with that crap they are pulling. Fucking straight up pimps.

TheBrownFox
07-09-2015, 07:02 PM
I recieved a warning email in May about cutting my hourly if I wasn't more engaging. I never check the email address it was sent too so I just saw it today! The email said that they will be cutting my hourly by 50% if they don't see a improvement within a week.

WHAT THE FUCK?! Absolutely DISGUSTING how these people are treating their models! So sorry to hear that, and KUDOS to you for speaking up about it on here, and keeping others informed. *HUGS*

space_cowgirl
07-15-2015, 06:28 AM
Thank you Katie for speaking up and letting other models know about this shitty site. Are you with a "studio"? It's hard to believe these scumbags haven't gone under yet.

Jassi
07-17-2015, 11:05 PM
Thank you Katie for speaking up and letting other models know about this shitty site. Are you with a "studio"? It's hard to believe these scumbags haven't gone under yet.

Maybe they will--or get other scumbags to invest and stay in operation--this thread has been fascinating. It's good for cam models to go through the thread and see what happens--it's business.
Businesses doesn't always have professionals in their midst just dumb asses and douche bags sometimes--just saying.
Fire away--just my 2 cents.

Jassi
07-17-2015, 11:09 PM
I don't do great either.. But I didn't expect to make much money on tokens because the site is new. I usually make 70.00 worth of tokens (my cut) in about 6 hrs. I'd be interested how other models are doing. I recieved a warning email in May about cutting my hourly if I wasn't more engaging. I never check the email address it was sent too so I just saw it today! The email said that they will be cutting my hourly by 50% if they don't see a improvement within a week.

this sucks BTW--I am not minimizing the jerkoffery or douchebaggery--so please don't think I am. I get sarcastic when I hear or see BS--not professional

There are other sites--sign up directly and try out different ones--if you haven't already

good luck!

SadieTaylor
08-26-2015, 09:44 AM
Anybody else not get paid this week? PAY DAY is Wed right? And nothing in my account or an email. I had my feed cut by an admin yesterday also. I paused it to do an excl show on SM and had it cut because apparently my mic was still on. You have o turn it off each time you pause it?

LaylaLovely
08-26-2015, 10:18 AM
Yes there mic has a glitch... I have been in private on sm and have guys on freewebcams mock what I'm saying in sm private... Lol embarraing so I quickly turned of the mic.. I have tested it out again since yen and guys in freechat said they can't hear me and asked the studio owner if it's suppose to do that I was told no it shouldn't... But I still shut it off just in case .

I did not get my payment this week , but I'm pretty sure I did not reach minimum payout since I didn't work for that week I will have to check to make sure tho. I ussually get the deposit on Monday night and get by tues morning...some weeks it's Tuesday night and get it by Wednesday morning . Are you in a studio?

SadieTaylor
08-26-2015, 10:24 AM
Yes, I'm in the hourly studio. Is my payout for when hourly gets to $100 or tokens? Because I don't get very much in tokens.

Issabelle
08-26-2015, 10:37 AM
Yes, I'm in the hourly studio. Is my payout for when hourly gets to $100 or tokens? Because I don't get very much in tokens.

For what it's worth, I had a week when I didn't get any tokens, but worked several hours and had quite a check for the effort. They gave me a warning after the check was quite late about not making tokens (this was before the 'must make SOME tokens' policy came out by, and I'm not exaggerating, about 3 minutes) and it took several months of fighting to even get paid. You can scroll back a few pages to see it.

If you were suspended/cut off they may have held your pay. I'd check that if it's not here in a day or so....

LaylaLovely
08-26-2015, 10:38 AM
It's both tokens /hourly has to equal 100$ before the 10% studio takeout

SadieTaylor
08-26-2015, 10:49 AM
Hmm... ok yeah I definitely made payout.

JaneBurgess
08-27-2015, 01:39 AM
Its a week behind like SM. The cut-off for last week was Sunday the 23rd at midnight pst. Anything you earned for the week of the 17th-23rd is sent out this weekend.



Hmm... ok yeah I definitely made payout.

SadieTaylor
08-27-2015, 08:10 AM
Its a week behind like SM. The cut-off for last week was Sunday the 23rd at midnight pst. Anything you earned for the week of the 17th-23rd is sent out this weekend.

Thanks Jane! Got it now!

shyoncam
11-11-2015, 08:44 AM
Is anyone else having issues with their pay being late the past month or so? Its been very eratic lately for me. I was switched to direct deposit a few months ago because of checks being late, got 2 payments and now nothing in 3 weeks.

space_cowgirl
11-11-2015, 10:02 AM
How is this site still in business? There are many better options out there, shy.

shyoncam
11-12-2015, 09:46 PM
It's not the only site I use so when no one's tipping me there I just turn my attention to somewhere else that is. It seems to work ok for me using it that way. My problem with mainly with how the studio was handling the payments but now it looks like it was a bank error. Greg has reassured me that hes sending the payments out again and they will be posted to my account in a few days.

DancesWithDildos
11-13-2015, 07:14 AM
Careful they might cut ur hourly more than half of they don't think you're engaging enough. I speak from experience. Fuck this site.

Issabelle
11-13-2015, 07:36 AM
Jesus. It's been almost a full year since the site ownership retroactively pulled my hourly pay and dumped it in the lap of the studio owner to try to explain. You would seriously think they'd have unfucked their shit by now, but I guess not huh?

Just to be clear ladies: I wouldn't go near this site with a 30 foot pole. They fucked models coming, going, and in the middle. So, you know, fair warning. If you have any questions, please scroll back to the start of this thread and prepare for 28 pages of shittery including 1) random rejection of models based on bizarre esthetic guidelines, 2) retroactive pay policy changes, 3) at least one suspected instance of someone affiliated with the site coming in here and pretending to be a model singing their praises, 4) really shitty traffic (last I checked, anyway), and much, much more!

LaylaLovely
11-13-2015, 10:19 AM
They cut everyone's hourly in half....mine was 20/hr .. Now it's 10/hr ... But between all my sites it wasn't worth it..especially with no traffic.. I got a couple good days.. I never got paid late I never had problems with my studio...I do find it hard to believe that "everyone's" hourly got cut in half.. If that's the case then why ar the pornstars still working there..? If they are established cam models also then 10/hr is shit ..especially when your splitting ...fuck McDonald's employers are fighting for 15/hr lolol (not that I agree with it)

I understand cutting my 20$/hr in half if ... IF I got paying traffic!!

Issabelle
11-13-2015, 03:05 PM
They cut everyone's hourly in half....mine was 20/hr .. Now it's 10/hr ... But between all my sites it wasn't worth it..especially with no traffic.. I got a couple good days.. I never got paid late I never had problems with my studio...I do find it hard to believe that "everyone's" hourly got cut in half.. If that's the case then why ar the pornstars still working there..? If they are established cam models also then 10/hr is shit ..especially when your splitting ...fuck McDonald's employers are fighting for 15/hr lolol (not that I agree with it)

I understand cutting my 20$/hr in half if ... IF I got paying traffic!!

They were giving me $25/hour. I guess the owner found me an especially fuckable 7+ out of 10 on the hotness scale, lol. I used to log into just FWC on nights when I needed a slower pace or on afternoons/nights when I knew SM would be deadsville anyway. I'd get like 20 registered customers and 100+ guests in my room and they'd all tell me they were totally broke and not interested in paying, then proceed to talk amongst themselves and periodically beg me for free flashes. It was baddddd. Like, I'm all for saying it's the model who needs to convert the paying traffic, but I lacked paying traffic in a bad way at the time and when I'm making $60-$90/hour over on SM during my regular shifts I clearly know how to hustle a room. I tried splitting and I tried focusing solely on FWC. Neither worked. It is what it is.

No, the killer part of this site is that it's been open for a year and still has to entice models with an hourly rate that was designed to hold them over until the traffic built up enough for them to be making the kind of cash that would keep 'em around. It was an incentive. Incentive programs getting slowly cut and lasting a year is worrying in terms of the liquidity of a site and it's traffic.

space_cowgirl
11-17-2015, 11:11 AM
It's not the only site I use so when no one's tipping me there I just turn my attention to somewhere else that is. It seems to work ok for me using it that way. My problem with mainly with how the studio was handling the payments but now it looks like it was a bank error. Greg has reassured me that hes sending the payments out again and they will be posted to my account in a few days.

Shy, contact the site directly to get out of the DesertProductions/Tanner Media studio. They are inept to say the least. No reason to pay them anything when they do nothing for you.

JaneBurgess
11-17-2015, 02:53 PM
I said I was sorry, I admitted I made mistakes along the way and you were paid out all that you were owed. I understand it upset you, and I do feel bad about that. However I feel like you have always left out a part of the story, like the site chose not to want to work with you any longer based on your performance. You never mention that and that will always be beyond the control of any studio. Cam sites pick and chose who they want as a performer, studios have zero say on that. If they aren't happy with your performance, they have every right to not want to work with you.

So continue to bash away on me because at this point I can't change the past, I can only go forward and learn from all the mistakes that happened.





Shy, contact the site directly to get out of the DesertProductions/Tanner Media studio. They are inept to say the least. No reason to pay them anything when they do nothing for you.

JaneBurgess
11-17-2015, 03:00 PM
They did cut a lot of performers by half or took their hourly away. It was based on tokens against hourly or something like that, but I dont agree with it at all. I believe the porn stars are contracted performers, so they are treated differently than the other performers. 99 percent of the studio performers we have were paid out hourly for almost a full year, so they did try to entice them to work on there. I cant blame anyone for not working on there for $10 an hour and dealing with customers who dont want to tip. You have to work where you make the most money at and if this site doesnt work for you, than you work on another site.



They cut everyone's hourly in half....mine was 20/hr .. Now it's 10/hr ... But between all my sites it wasn't worth it..especially with no traffic.. I got a couple good days.. I never got paid late I never had problems with my studio...I do find it hard to believe that "everyone's" hourly got cut in half.. If that's the case then why ar the pornstars still working there..? If they are established cam models also then 10/hr is shit ..especially when your splitting ...fuck McDonald's employers are fighting for 15/hr lolol (not that I agree with it)

I understand cutting my 20$/hr in half if ... IF I got paying traffic!!