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JaneBurgess
11-10-2014, 06:05 PM
I did when I found out the text was fake, which was just recently. I sent in a request to take it down asap. I just dont want legal issues to arise out of this, it won't help the situation.



If you wanted to deal with this professionally and she posted something in this forum that she shouldn't have or was abusive you could of taken it up with a mod.

loveshooks
11-10-2014, 06:40 PM
at this point I don't feel comfortable removing or editing any posts from this thread as I'm not sure what (if anything) is falsified.

what I do feel confident saying though, as a site/service operator myself, is that communication and respect are vital. as individuals who run services/sites upon which other models are listed, it's our job to explain things, to keep the lines of communication open and above all to maintain a professional demeanor no matter how others behave.

I gotta admit I feel really fucking uncomfortable here, as both parties involved are listed on my site and I have a great working relationship with both. that said it seems like there have been quite a few growing pains involved with this site and I can't in good conscience censor chicas experiences of the site without cause. in regard to the tenor of some of the posts here; yes, respect is a two-way street, but behaving professionally is an individual choice unrelated to how we're treated. as a site owner I know that first hand. Lashing out and fighting with sign-ups on forums and social media isn't a smart or helpful way to deal with performer issues.

I do hope that Jade gets paid and that Jane's studio continues to provide a service to women who find value in it. But yeah, we're adult, professional business women. I hope we can all maintain that as the dialogue in this thread unfolds.

JaneBurgess
11-10-2014, 07:21 PM
She was paid already, last night like I said in prior messages. My concern is the Skype messages will reflect on the cam employee in a negative way and that's not fair to him. Im sure he already wasnt happy to have to be talked to about this today and have his conversation brought up on his computer and checked. Like I said that can get an employee fired and that's just not cool. I can have the site contact you directly if that's easier. I am fine with all messages posted, but if it can be proven to be false that Skype text should come down.

I dont want you to be uncomfortable. Issues happen with new sites, thats just a fact. I wish they didnt but it does. You learn from all experiences and than you grow. I am working on my patience and have to just accept all messages may not be polite and try not to take it personally. Im pretty lucky because 99 percent of this experience has been positive and I have met some really wonderful performers.





at this point I don't feel comfortable removing or editing any posts from this thread as I'm not sure what (if anything) is falsified.

what I do feel confident saying though, as a site/service operator myself, is that communication and respect are vital. as individuals who run services/sites upon which other models are listed, it's our job to explain things, to keep the lines of communication open and above all to maintain a professional demeanor no matter how others behave.

I gotta admit I feel really fucking uncomfortable here, as both parties involved are listed on my site and I have a great working relationship with both. that said it seems like there have been quite a few growing pains involved with this site and I can't in good conscience censor chicas experiences of the site without cause. in regard to the tenor of some of the posts here; yes, respect is a two-way street, but behaving professionally is an individual choice unrelated to how we're treated. as a site owner I know that first hand. Lashing out and fighting with sign-ups on forums and social media isn't a smart or helpful way to deal with performer issues.

I do hope that Jade gets paid and that Jane's studio continues to provide a service to women who find value in it. But yeah, we're adult, professional business women. I hope we can all maintain that as the dialogue in this thread unfolds.

Nocturnelle
11-10-2014, 08:45 PM
Eek, maybe I'll try camming here when some of the issues are ironed out.

kortneykay
11-10-2014, 11:00 PM
While I appreciate your postings, I really am a little annoyed that some of you didn't bother to read the full postings. If you don't actually know the full situation or don't read all the postings, you shouldn't just assume I am in the wrong and then say I paid someone on the wrong dates. I understand that you want to defend your fellow cam performers and I respect that. However it doesn't help a situation and it just adds fuel to the fire.

Should I have been nicer and a bit more professional in my response on here? Yes I should have been and I already said that.

Was she not paid on time? No, we said Sundays for Payoneer and Paxum but we paid early twice. I guess Im an asshole for paying early too, God forbid I try to pay early when I can.

I have known some of you for years and you know I am not a thief, I respect my fellow performers and I started this studio to help other performers. Yes there have been some issues and I addressed them and fixed them. I wish there weren't issues but the major ones were out of my control since they were payroll from the cam site.

I keep hearing cam sites should be professional, studio's should be professional, but I have yet to see where you say cam performers should be professional. Its just as unprofessional to send emails and post messages telling them to fuck off and post every cuss word in the book at them. I have always defended cam performers but now that I am on the other side, I can see why sites and studios get pissed at the actions of some cam performers. You cant demand respect and then not give it. Respect is and always will be a two way street. Some of you always want to throw the cam site or studio under the bus but take a good look at your own actions.

The first thing said to me when I opened a studio was welcome to model management, you are in for a shock. Little did I know what they meant until now.

I actually didn't bring your name into it at all so you might want to reread my segment clearly as well. I said from reading what that Greg guy did/said (not sure if he's the owner or your husband, etc) I just think it was fucked up. Whether you agree with me or not, that's not my problem.

JaneBurgess
11-10-2014, 11:09 PM
I get that, it was just a stressful day trying to handle all of this. You know I respect your opinion and Greg already had a chat with me about this. Hopefully everything is fixed for everyone. I spent the day fixing everything so pretty sure I took care of everyone and everything.

If I drank alcohol I would have some right now. if you drink, have one for me.



I actually didn't bring your name into it at all so you might want to reread my segment clearly as well. I said from reading what that Greg guy did/said (not sure if he's the owner or your husband, etc) I just think it was fucked up. Whether you agree with me or not, that's not my problem.

missjade
11-11-2014, 03:57 AM
Jane and i talked on skp we had a normal conversation.
She solved my probs and paid me on payoneer that She fixed for me
Im on my cellphone now so if the mod can delete my posts
I dont have access to my laptop now cause im not at home a few days so i cant delete them
Everything worked out and fixed very quickly

justanothercamgirl
11-13-2014, 05:48 AM
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JaneBurgess
11-13-2014, 10:43 AM
I just set up everyone's payments and I have to say I am really glad we went with Bill.com over other processors. They make it super easy to set up and send out payments. I have a hang of payroll now and doing a happy dance!!!

Rastafari
11-30-2014, 07:12 AM
They hired a tranny. Does this mean more types of girls are being welcomed to the site?

JaneBurgess
11-30-2014, 05:41 PM
Nice, that's good to hear. It's a step in the right direction thankfully. If it's a porn star or well known cam performer, they might be testing her out to see how the customers respond. As far as I know they still aren't hiring BBW's, alternative, etc. I will ask and see if they have an e.t.a. on when they are planning to open the site to more performers.




They hired a tranny. Does this mean more types of girls are being welcomed to the site?

space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:46 PM
This is an honest and accurate review of my experience working with Jane's studio and FWC. I started this thread as a place to share information about the FWC site. I want this information to be available, and we have this forum to openly discuss our issues with sites. I'm not going to participate in drama on SW, and have no interest in anything other than helping other performers avoid the nightmare I went through and shedding light on the way I was treated.

I'm going to layout a timeline and excerpts from emails to illustrate my points. I'll put dash marks between emails to separate them from my comments.

I know it's a new site and that there was an information gap between Jane and the site on some things, but she just didn't seem to want to put the effort into properly explaining things to the models, particularly involving payment (where it is most necessary since that's why we're there...). She and her husband have been hostile and impatient in their email responses, which is bizarre to me for someone who is getting part of my money. The worst part for me has been her lack of patience and respect in all her interactions. This attitude was not limited to her interaction with me, as many other models have expressed exactly the same experience.

The studio performers were signed up under Jane as an affiliate with no terms, contract, or even a website to refer to for information. This should have been a red flag, but I was eager to jump on board with a camgirl-run studio, since I've loved working with Boleyn Models and LCMS and have zero complaints.

space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:46 PM
Once I started working for the site, I had questions. Each time I emailed Jane or Greg with multiple questions in an email, they would respond with a brief answer to one question, and sometimes not even that. I felt, throughout the entire ordeal, that they were not listening to me. So, I would be forced to email again. Rapidly, the responses to my emails became uniformly terse, short, and sometimes my emails were not even answered. The email responses were short, and appeared to be rapidly typed out, with little thought or concern. I strongly believe that it was the studio's job to clearly. competently, and respectfully answer performer's questions, but each time I felt as though I was annoying them by asking very basic things that I'm sure many of use were wondering.

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Sent my address to Greg on October 14, asking for confirmation that they had all my info.

On October 15, I received an email from Jane saying that the site wanted her to contact me about not being engaging in free chat. Emailed Jane back saying that I would be more friendly in free chat, and I deliberately made that effort from then on. --------------------------

DesertProd Webcam <[email protected]>
Oct 17


to ‪me‬

Yes they are paying you your hourly rate for the hours you worked. I do believe they plan to take you off the hourly rate because they feel for all the hours you worked, you only earned 400 tokens.

I will double check with them and get back to you about it.

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(I kept working on the site) Worked over 19 hours, confirmed by Jane on October 25. Never had a "timecard" on the site.

Now we move on to actually getting paid. Originally, I had elected to do ACH, then when I found out that they could send a check, I told Greg the next day. He tried to send an ACH anyway, but it did not go through for some reason. He emailed to tell me that (funnily enough, responding to the email in which I requested a check, not ACH).
In the email below, I asked if my ACH payment was all set up.

space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:47 PM
DesertProd Webcam <[email protected]>
Oct 17


to ‪me‬


Correct for this weeks earnings through sunday

me <[email protected]>



to ‪DesertProd‬

Ok....I guess that's a confirmation that it's set up for next Friday?

Is it possible to find out how many hours and the total I'll be paid? I never did get the 'timecard'.

Thank you



Jane Burgess <[email protected]>
Oct 18


to ‪me‬

Yes we will make sure the time card is updated and it will reflect the total amount paid out. The hours you have been online are showing in your account in the stats. I already confirmed yesterday the ACH info in an email to you.

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Greg "got back to me" on October 21 that I was going to be removed from the hourly pay. Jane later said that FWC had emailed me directly about this, but I never received an email from the site itself.

DesertProd Webcam <[email protected]>
Oct 21


to ‪me‬

Whoops. forgot you had the hours and the gtee, so you do have a payout, they took you off the gtee because you were not engaging, mostly just sitting there still. but we are working on the hours you had before they took you off. They did not pay on those hours, if we have to eat it, then we will. can you bear with us a day or two more to get that guarantee to you?

Greg

space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:48 PM
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DesertProd Webcam <[email protected]>
Oct 22


to ‪me‬


I will change your payment to check. It will be mailed out Friday evening


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(The following is a great example of me asking three questions and having none answered.)

<[email protected]>
Oct 22


to ‪DesertProd‬


Ok, thank you. Can you confirm the total that will be paid? Will there be another payment for different dates/second week, or is will all my hours and days be on this check?



DesertProd Webcam <[email protected]>
Oct 22


to ‪me‬


Ill send it in a check via your request

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DesertProd Webcam <[email protected]>
Oct 23


to ‪me‬

The amount of hours you worked are in your account under stats, I checked and Jane emailed you them a couple of days ago. She sent the hours you worked and the amount of tokens you earned.


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(Again, I never was able to access these "stats" on my dashboard.)

me<[email protected]>
Oct 23


to ‪DesertProd‬




Hi,

The hours that Jane sent me did not include the last day that I worked, which I believe was October 18th or 19th. Please send me an updated total, and let me know the amount of the check and when it will be mailed.

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me <[email protected]>









to ‪Jane‬, ‪DesertProd‬

Ok....I will wait to hear. I hope that everyone is aware that I was not told that I was taken off the hourly pay until October 21.
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Jane Burgess <[email protected]>
Oct 25


to ‪me‬


Yes they are aware. Its kind of annoying what they are trying to do but they will pay it by Monday. They dont want a battle on their hands.
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Jane Burgess
Oct 27


to ‪me‬

No. They didnt send the funds to pay you for the 18 hours. They took a few people off the hourly and on Friday when they sent the studio payment, it was short the funds for the people they took off hourly. Thats what Greg has been working on to send the funds.


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space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:49 PM
Jane Burgess
Oct 27


to ‪me‬

Greg just talked to them and they said they will be sending those funds on Wednesday. So as soon as they come in I will send you your funds. The hours you worked total $270 and I will have to go in and add up the tokens. It will be around $300, but I will add them up and send you a total tonight.

I know they and you are counting on the payment, thats why Greg bitched at them all weekend and told them they cant just not pay performers.


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At this point, I think that I'll be paid for all my hours and tokens earned. Not so! Jane told me that she couldn't pay me since she didn't get paid by FWC for all my hours.

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me<[email protected]>
Oct 30


to ‪Jane‬

Jane,

Now I'm concerned about my check. Was it sent by you or by Bill.com? Yesterday you said that it had been mailed. Can you please let me know?

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Jane Burgess
Oct 30


to ‪me‬




I told you already. You are a one time payee I don't think they send you an email


me <[email protected]>
Oct 30


to ‪Jane‬

Yes, you said yesterday that it was mailed...but I am asking if you can check on that so that I know when to expect it.



Jane Burgess
Oct 30


to ‪me‬

Youi are a one time payee they don't do it the same as the weekly performers. Its sent out
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DesertProd Webcam
Nov 4


to ‪me‬




Had you down as direct deposit. Either send the correct direct deposit info, or just keep receiving checks.






me
Nov 3


to ‪Jane‬

Hi Jane,

Can you please check with Bill.com and find out whether my check has actually been mailed? Last week you said that it was mailed on Wednesday, now it's Monday and I haven't received anything.


Jane Burgess
Yes it has
Nov 3


On November 4, I emailed Greg asking for confirmation that the check would be made out to my real and not performer name, and received the following response.

DesertProd Webcam
Nov 4


to ‪me‬

Read much, i said it will keep sending checks. and that is your reference name, not the name of the payee.

Fuck
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space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:50 PM
Seriously. Jane's husband, who could not competently send me a payment, an adult, said this to me. Apparently, he was "stressed out" with the payments and I was emailing too many times. Well, so were the performers who weren't receiving any payments. I responded to this rude email with one stating that I only wished to be done with the studio and wanted my check.



I had no other contact with Greg, but much later, Jane did apologize for my late payment and Greg's behavior. Too little, too late. In an edited post in this thread, she said that I was "lucky" she was still talking to me after I stopped working for FWC, even though I still had no idea at that point where my payment was.
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me <[email protected]>
Nov 9


to ‪Jane‬

Hi Jane,

It has been six days since Greg said that my check is being sent from Bill.com and I still haven't received it. Can you please confirm with them and let me know?
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Jane Burgess
Nov 9


to ‪me‬


I dont see it so I will put it in myself on Bill.com tonight and they will send it off tomorrow via check. If they dont send you an email confirmation by tomorrow night please let me know. I dont know when they send them out but it should be the same day they go out.

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(They didn't, so I emailed her again.) Two days later, I received an email confirmation from Bill.com saying that I'd be paid $160. Jane said that she'd speak with someone at the site about payment for my remaining hours, and give me the contact info to contact them directly.
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Jane,

Thanks for letting me know. As we talked about yesterday, please speak with the site about my remaining hours. Also, do you have an email or phone number for someone at the site that I can speak with?


Jane Burgess
Nov 11


to ‪me‬

Im waiting back on the info to contact accounting directly. When I get it I will send it to you. Customer service cant really do anything but forward a message
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(Never happened.)

space_cowgirl
11-30-2014, 10:53 PM
If I ran a studio and told someone that they were getting paid $300, I would damn well send them $300 and take the issue up with the site. That's only right. I feel like it is her studio's responsibility to pay me for all the hours I worked, since the site took away the hourly retroactively.

Nov 19 - Holy crap! I received a check in the mail for $160. This was payment for $46 in tokens and $113 in hours (less than nine paid out of 19).

I spoke via telephone to Jose at FWC and expressed my concerns. He replied that he had heard multiple complaints from models about the studio.

The main takeaway I have from my time spent with the site and particularly Jane's studio is that they are run in an unprofessional manner. I have never worked with anyone in the adult industry who is so unsympathetic. When I am paying someone, i.e., a studio, I expect them to work FOR or at least WITH me.

Whatever the intentions, this website and especially this studio have not executed performer support to even a minimum standard that was comfortable or trustworthy. As a performer, I saw no interest in pursuing performer payment, and inexcusable treatment of performers. I would not recommend working with either Jane's studio or FWC.

Thank you to the many performers who reached out to me with similar stories of poor treatment and encouraged me to put this information out there for other performers who may be considering joining this studio and/or site.

Rastafari
12-01-2014, 05:42 AM
I've been getting paid just fine. Sometimes it'll be a couple days late but not a whole month. Idk what happened for you cowgirl but it's only been getting better since that whole fiasco went down. The only payment I'm waiting for is the week of 17-23, I'm guessing thanksgiving got in the middle of sending them out or something, and White House Black Market took all my money on black friday lol but I'm expecting at least an email from bill.com today or tomorrow.

hyori
12-01-2014, 08:59 AM
I am doing fine as well. No real issues with payment or glitches. I do get kicked off for not being on cam when i am changing back into my clothes but that is just being diligent on their part.

LaylaLovely
12-01-2014, 11:01 AM
Yes I have been paid on time no problem, except in the beginning and janes already got me all caught up to the cycle,I get email from bill on Monday and I get the check at the end of the week..the site is fine as well no problems with it.the few problems I had in the beginning I would just skype jane. It's unfortunate this is happening to some.

space_cowgirl
12-01-2014, 01:00 PM
I'm glad that some models have had no problems, that's awesome! The fact is, many of us had serious problems and people need to be aware. I've had four people PM me since last night with their own stories of mistreatment and inaccurate payments.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 01:14 PM
While I get you are upset, the site is the one that had an issue with you. They didn't like your lack of performance and your failure to do nothing at all in free chat. They are the one's that chose to take you off hourly, they are the ones that chose to not work with you and that is their right. Like I said from day one, the site will ALWAYS have final say over any performer. There is nothing I or any other studio owner can do about that.

They also said they contacted you directly and told you that you were taken off of hourly. I can't do anything about that because they own the site and they pick who gets paid per hour. I gave you an email address to contact them at if you wanted to talk to them directly.

As for being hostile to you, you didn't seem to understand anything that was said to you. You literally sent me emails over and over that asked the exact same questions. I answered them all each time. I have patience and had a lot of patience for you. As a cam performer you should have the ability to know how to work on a cam site. Granted they should have a list of rules and such and I already told them that. However I can't change that because it's their site and that's not in my power.

I sent you this and told you the site didn't like your performance. They contacted you on the same day I sent this to you.


Jane Burgess <[email protected]>

Oct 16


Approved does mean approved. However once approved if the site thinks you aren't actually working out they can stop working with you. You aren't rejected and they will pay you for your hours. I sent you an email yesterday about how they wanted you to be more interactive in free chat.

Sent from my Windows Phone





This is an honest and accurate review of my experience working with Jane's studio and FWC. I started this thread as a place to share information about the FWC site. I want this information to be available, and we have this forum to openly discuss our issues with sites. I'm not going to participate in drama on SW, and have no interest in anything other than helping other performers avoid the nightmare I went through and shedding light on the way I was treated.

I'm going to layout a timeline and excerpts from emails to illustrate my points. I'll put dash marks between emails to separate them from my comments.

I know it's a new site and that there was an information gap between Jane and the site on some things, but she just didn't seem to want to put the effort into properly explaining things to the models, particularly involving payment (where it is most necessary since that's why we're there...). She and her husband have been hostile and impatient in their email responses, which is bizarre to me for someone who is getting part of my money. The worst part for me has been her lack of patience and respect in all her interactions. This attitude was not limited to her interaction with me, as many other models have expressed exactly the same experience.

The studio performers were signed up under Jane as an affiliate with no terms, contract, or even a website to refer to for information. This should have been a red flag, but I was eager to jump on board with a camgirl-run studio, since I've loved working with Boleyn Models and LCMS and have zero complaints.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 01:26 PM
In all fairness I could post your one million messages but I won't. Im sorry you had issues but I think it's unfair to say that the site or I mistreated you or any other performer. I always go out of my way to help any performer. I even went to bat for you and tried to get them to pay you what you thought you were owed. They said they contacted you about being taken off of hourly directly and they have an email sent you that states they took you off hourly and they didn't like your performance. It was sent to the same e-mail address you contacted me from. I have to believe them because you also told me that you didnt get emails from me and I have every single one in my outbox that shows they were sent.

I also apologized for any issues that happened in the beginning. Issues were bound to happen and they did. They were all corrected and everyone has been paid and they are paid on time now as well. Some of the issues were also performer issues. You want to blame me and the site and that's fine. I honestly don't care because there are always going to be unhappy performers no matter what I do. Look at the threads on here to see examples of that.




I'm glad that some models have had no problems, that's awesome! The fact is, many of us had serious problems and people need to be aware. I've had four people PM me since last night with their own stories of mistreatment and inaccurate payments.

space_cowgirl
12-01-2014, 01:47 PM
I never received an email from FWC saying that they were taking me off the hourly, so I kept on working. I have no idea what happened to that mysterious email; I looked and have not found it. You never confirmed with me that I was taken off hourly until after October 21. I was never paid for those hours.

I worked, I was notified that my pay was being taken away retroactively.

I did not "do nothing" in free chat. I interacted exactly the same as I do on every other site. If FWC wanted to take me off the site, of course they have that choice, but I was not made aware of that decision, as I have said.

You and your husband were both rude to me. Yes, that is my opinion.

It took one month to get my partial payment.

All of these things are unacceptable to me. I get it, you don't care. It's over and I'm glad to be done.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 02:45 PM
Then that's between you and the site like I told you in emails. I told you when they were unhappy with your performance, I have two emails that prove that and I posted one of them. I told you they can take anyone off of hourly if they don't like your performance. Their site, their money and they pick who they work with. I have nothing to do with those decisions.

They have an email sent to your email address dated the morning of October 16th stating they were taking you off of hourly pay and why. Their only mistake was not letting Greg and I know at that time they took you off the hourly pay. Since we weren't informed of that, we thought you were still on hourly pay. That's their mistake and they apologized for it and have much better communication now.

I think I was pretty nice to you and more patient than most people would have been. When you told me you thought Greg was rude to you I apologized to you about that. I also don't think my emails come off as rude at all. It also took a month because you didnt send the right ACH info to us. You were contacted and sent proof the ACH came back and Bill.com said it wasn't the right information. That's when you sent me your information to have a check sent out and I mailed a check out.

If you have an issue with how the site handled things, contact them. You said you contacted them and then you asked me for a different contact method which I provided. You seem to be blaming me for their decisions and that just isn't right. I don't work for the site, I'm working with them to hopefully help them learn from their mistakes and make a damn good site for every performer.



Jane Burgess <[email protected]>

Nov 10


Hourly is $113.80 and tokens equal $46.35. I tried to get more for hourly but they didnt send funds for more than those two days. I was hard just to get that hourly to be honest.

It shows it was set up and mails out tomorrow. I apologize it took so long to get out to you. I know you are disappointed they didnt pay for all the hours. This will mail out tomorrow but I can still ask them to pay the other hours. I can't promise anything but I will try and see what they say again. If they finally agree to pay the rest I will mail it off to you and email you to let you know. Like I said feel free to take it up with them and see what they say.

Im also sorry of Greg was rude to you. This whole payment shortage has stressed him out but he shouldnt have been rude to you. Its not your fault.




Nov 10

to me
Thank you Jane. I appreciate your apology very much.

Yes, please ask them to pay me for all my hours, especially since no one let me know that I was taken off the hourly until October 21, so of course I kept on working. That only makes sense, and is the right thing to do.

Do you have contact info for a good person at the site for me to speak with?

Should I still expect a confirmation email from Bill.com?





I never received an email from FWC saying that they were taking me off the hourly, so I kept on working. I have no idea what happened to that mysterious email; I looked and have not found it. You never confirmed with me that I was taken off hourly until after October 21. I was never paid for those hours.

I worked, I was notified that my pay was being taken away retroactively.

I did not "do nothing" in free chat. I interacted exactly the same as I do on every other site. If FWC wanted to take me off the site, of course they have that choice, but I was not made aware of that decision, as I have said.

You and your husband were both rude to me. Yes, that is my opinion.

It took one month to get my partial payment.

All of these things are unacceptable to me. I get it, you don't care. It's over and I'm glad to be done.

loveshooks
12-01-2014, 03:14 PM
^^^this is the second time today I've had to remove the model's name from the email transcripts you've posted

as a service owner you have the duty to protect chica's privacy and that includes model names. If a chica chooses to be 'out' here that's her decision alone to make, no one else has the right to do so.

when chicas trust us with their private info that's a huge responsibility, if you're going to continue posting in this thread you need to understand that and edit your email transcripts accordingly before you publish them

space_cowgirl
12-01-2014, 03:22 PM
Please stop posting my model name, Jane. This website has a privacy policy that you are violating.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 03:48 PM
OMG, really.

I have email from you finally on Oct 14 with your ach info,
Have email from FWC Jose kicking you off guarantee on 14 Oct since you were not doing enough to earn.
You emailed 8 times before 18th oct confirming ach payment was set up. you were replied to multiple times
You had not sent your W9 as pf 21 oct
4 more emails you sent by 22nd about filling it out, you were replied to with instructions
Multiple emails later, and on nov 4 you were sent the following, since your ach info was incorrectly provided by you, we had to wait for you to send an address for a check.


On Nov 4, 2014, at 3:28 PM, DesertProd Webcam wrote:

> Had you down as direct deposit. Either send the correct direct deposit info, or just keep receiving checks.
>
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> You've entered a bank account ending **3949 for your vendor MxxxxFxxxx(SPACE_COWGIRL).
>
> However, you can't make ePayments to this bank account because: R03 - No Account/Unable to Locate Account - account structure is valid and passes editing process, but does not correspond to individual or is not an open account.
>
> Until you correct the bank account, we’ll send your scheduled and future payments to this vendor by check.
>
>
> Thank you,
> The Bill.com Team

Your smart ass reply was
"Also, to reiterate (since Bill.com has it listed in your email from them) I CANNOT receive a check made out to "Mxxxx FXXX" (SPACE_COWGIRL), it needs to have my real name, as I have said.

Duh Space.... you did not provide your address for checks until November 11th.

Your check was sent on Nov 14th, and it cleared shortly thereafter.

Below are your hours worked. Again as you love talking to Jose at FreeWebcams, he sent you a notice of being cut from guarantee on Oct 14th.

Date Time hh:mm Hourly Rate Hourly Revenue Total Revenue
06 Oct, 2014 - - - -
07 Oct, 2014 - - - -
08 Oct, 2014 - - - -
09 Oct, 2014 - - - -
10 Oct, 2014 - - - -
11 Oct, 2014 - - - -
12 Oct, 2014 4h 41m 0s - - -
Total 4h 41m 0s



Then the last week


Date Time hh:mm Hourly Rate Hourly Revenue Total Revenue
13 Oct, 2014 5h 33m 0s - - -
14 Oct, 2014 3h 1m 0s - - -
15 Oct, 2014 - - - -
16 Oct, 2014 - - - -
17 Oct, 2014 1h 53m 0s - - -
18 Oct, 2014 2h 39m 0s - - -
19 Oct, 2014 1h 31m 0s - - -
Total 14h 37m 0s

Any questions? I mean I can provide all correspondence and proof that we have been MORE than patient and extremely fair. YOU brought you complaints to the public.



Please stop posting my model name, Jane. This website has a privacy policy that you are violating.

space_cowgirl
12-01-2014, 04:06 PM
Yes, really.

You had my address way before November 11. It was on the W9 that I sent in to you in October. I asked for a check way before Greg tried to do an ACH. Either way, my ACH info given to Greg is the same routing/bank acct. numbers that I use for every single other ACH transaction.

Once again, I have never received an email from anyone at FWC.

The main point, as you wrote, is this:

"Their only mistake was not letting Greg and I know at that time they took you off the hourly pay. Since we weren't informed of that, we thought you were still on hourly pay. That's their mistake and they apologized for it and have much better communication now. "




And I'm the one who was screwed out of my money. People need to know this can happen before deciding to work with this studio and site.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:18 PM
They have already been paid, she is talking about an issue from well over a month ago. She wants to be paid for the hours she worked after the studio took her off hourly. I can't pay her funds the site never sent to me and says she isnt getting paid. It is a cluster fuck because they think I pick and choose who gets these rates when in reality the site picks.

A studio owner pays the performers the money the site sends them to pay the performers. If a performer has an issue with the site not paying them, they need to contact the cam site. There is only so much a studio can do and we can't force a site to pay models hourly. They can always take anyone off hourly, and that has been said from day one.

If you have no idea about the situation you shouldn't comment on it. She has been paid, wants the site to pay her more money, they said NO, end of story. I cant change their minds, it's that simple.



What a cluster fuck!

Jane, you are a studio owner/operator and you let get to this for a few hundred dollars? Do you realize what this kind of “drama” does to your reputation?

Stop writing Emails and posting, pay these models and then you are done with it. To be honest, if you are contesting these kinds of small payments (which seem to be legitimate) and having trouble with payment processors, it doesn't speak well for your studio.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:19 PM
Double post



What a cluster fuck!

Jane, you are a studio owner/operator and you let get to this for a few hundred dollars? Do you realize what this kind of “drama” does to your reputation?

Stop writing Emails and posting, pay these models and then you are done with it. To be honest, if you are contesting these kinds of small payments (which seem to be legitimate) and having trouble with payment processors, it doesn't speak well for your studio.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:26 PM
Ok, you agree to met this out in public then? I stand behind everything I have said. You have been paid. You pay was delayed because of wrong ACH info, and no W9. Say ok, i agree to post all the info on the board, and we can.

Yes, really.

You had my address way before November 11. It was on the W9 that I sent in to you in October. I asked for a check way before Greg tried to do an ACH. Either way, my ACH info given to Greg is the same routing/bank acct. numbers that I use for every single other ACH transaction.

Once again, I have never received an email from anyone at FWC.

The main point, as you wrote, is this:

"Their only mistake was not letting Greg and I know at that time they took you off the hourly pay. Since we weren't informed of that, we thought you were still on hourly pay. That's their mistake and they apologized for it and have much better communication now. "




And I'm the one who was screwed out of my money. People need to know this can happen before deciding to work with this studio and site.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:28 PM
I apologize for that, I thought I took the name and email addy out. I will make sure to double check any emails I post better from now on.




^^^this is the second time today I've had to remove the model's name from the email transcripts you've posted

as a service owner you have the duty to protect chica's privacy and that includes model names. If a chica chooses to be 'out' here that's her decision alone to make, no one else has the right to do so.

when chicas trust us with their private info that's a huge responsibility, if you're going to continue posting in this thread you need to understand that and edit your email transcripts accordingly before you publish them

aven
12-01-2014, 06:35 PM
I am not sure about this site... But I do know that with SM and most other sites that I have worked on that once a site pay a studio the site considers any model working under that studio as paid. It is the responsibility of the studio to pay the models not the site. The site up holds their responsibility to pay the studio. The site's don't pay the model

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:36 PM
I am going to sum this up quickly. There were issues in the beginning, those issues have been fixed. Everyone has been paid, so not sure why some of you that have no idea of the actual situation jump in to post without knowing the full story. The full story is the site picked a performer for hourly. After two days they felt she wasn't working out so they contacted her directly to let her know she was off hourly. They failed to let us know they took her off hourly so we assumed she was still on it. The site paid her for the two days she was on hourly plus the funds that she earned from tips and shows. She wants to be paid for the hours that she worked and stated they they didn't contact her about taking her off hourly. The site has the email they sent her stating when she was taken off hourly and why, which she claims she never received. She has been paid, she just wants a different amount which I told her she needs to contact the site about. I gave her the email address the site gave me to contact. I can't do anything beyond that. The site has the final say and they are sticking firm to this performer and what they paid her.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:46 PM
The cam site sends the studio the funds to pay the performers. The site sent us the funds and we paid everyone including her. She is disputing the site never told her she was taken off hourly and they have proof they did contact her. She wants them to pay her the hours she worked after being taken off hourly. I did talk to the site and they feel they owe her nothing more because they contacted her directly. This site pays performers hourly and they pick who they pay hourly. In this situation I can't do anything since the cam site has the final say.

There is only so many things a studio can do. A cam site will always have the final say on who works on their site. I've had Streamate fire studio performers and keep their funds because they were accepting money from customers to do shows via PP. Studio's work for and with cam sites but overall our powers are limited in certain area's.



I am not sure about this site... But I do know that with SM and most other sites that I have worked on that once a site pay a studio the site considers any model working under that studio as paid. It is the responsibility of the studio to pay the models not the site. The site up holds their responsibility to pay the studio. The site's don't pay the model

space_cowgirl
12-01-2014, 06:46 PM
Post whatever you want.

As referenced in my main post, Greg confirmed that I was to be paid by check on October 22. He said that it would be mailed "that" Friday, which was the 24th. He tried to do an ACH on November 3. You had my address on October 22 when I sent you the W9. Really, the point isn't that my (partial) payment was a month late, it was in the way I was treated.

My complaint in all this centers on the fact that your studio said that I was to be paid X amount (shown in my emails above), then, after finding out the FWC site wasn't paying you the money, didn't pay it to me. I feel that you still should have paid me the full amount. You disagree, and I'm out that money. If I had received the alleged email from FWC saying that I was taken off hourly, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I would have stopped working on the site.

Thank you again to all the additional models who've PM'ed. There are many people who aren't responding out of fear of retribution, which says a lot.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 06:57 PM
Then your fight once again is with the cam site. I can't pay you funds when the site doesn't send them to me. They don't feel you did anything to earn hourly period, but they still paid you for the two days.

I posted the email where I told you I would try and get them to pay the rest, they won't. You claim they didn't contact you directly, they said they did. If you disagree with that then you can contact them directly like I told you in the email I posted.

My complaint is you think you are owed funds and expect me to somehow get them out of the cam site. They said no and that's the end as far as they are concerned.

I also don't believe for a minute anyone is scared of retribution. I talk to these models and several have posted they have zero issues and are doing just fine. No one would not post out of fear, seriously grow up. I haven't done anything to any performer that has posted a gripe on here and never would. Honestly some of you just live to create drama.



Post whatever you want.

As referenced in my main post, Greg confirmed that I was to be paid by check on October 22. He said that it would be mailed "that" Friday, which was the 24th. He tried to do an ACH on November 3. You had my address on October 22 when I sent you the W9. Really, the point isn't that my (partial) payment was a month late, it was in the way I was treated.

My complaint in all this centers on the fact that your studio said that I was to be paid X amount (shown in my emails above), then, after finding out the FWC site wasn't paying you the money, didn't pay it to me. I feel that you still should have paid me the full amount. You disagree, and I'm out that money.

Thank you to all the models who've PM'ed. There are many people who aren't responding out of fear of retribution, which says a lot.

space_cowgirl
12-01-2014, 07:08 PM
Believe whatever you want.

My goal was to put this information out there so that performers would be able to make informed decisions about working with FWC and your studio.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 07:15 PM
Feel free. Like I said I haven't and would never do anything to anyone for sharing their experiences.




Believe whatever you want.

My goal was to put this information out there so that performers would be able to make informed decisions about working with FWC and your studio.

loveshooks
12-01-2014, 08:13 PM
I think the most important thing for chicas to know is that FWC has absolutely no compunction in retroactively removing earnings from a model. If space_cowgirl says that the site did not inform her that she was removed from guaranteed pay I believe her. The fact that the site neglected to inform Jane as the studio owner lends credence to that claim.

Honestly, I think the best way to have handled this would have been for the studio to pay the full earnings and then fight like hell to get the funds from the site, but for whatever reason that didn't happen.

Regardless, FWC looks shady as fuck in their handling of this situation. Beyond that, some additional patience and communication could have gone a long way towards preventing much of the rest of it.

LAChloe
12-01-2014, 08:33 PM
as a service owner you have the duty to protect chica's privacy and that includes model names. If a chica chooses to be 'out' here that's her decision alone to make, no one else has the right to do so.


I have owned and worked with multiple adult businesses. I have been fucked over HARD by different girls on a few different occasions. No matter what, you don't out people. This is what is so messed up about the adult world. There should never be any reason that you would out someone. Never. Ever. I would never work with you or recommend anyone work with you due to this alone. You are a loose cannon and anyone that values discretion should know that you can not be trusted. You are a veteran in this business which makes it even more disappointing.

Magical_Hoohah
12-01-2014, 09:03 PM
There are many people who aren't responding out of fear of retribution, which says a lot.

I also don't believe for a minute anyone is scared of retribution.
I don't particularly want to get involved in this, and I don't have any affiliation with either party at all, but I feel like posting is the right thing to do because space_cowgirl isn't fabricating this idea.

I believe it's not okay to reveal specific things that were said in Verified, so this is really general, and I'll gladly take it down if it's not okay. A few people in Verified have wondered whether posting negative experiences with Jane's studio could have repercussions. A studio owner has access to the models' personal information and funds, and that means they have a lot of power to harm the model.

Prior to today, I responded that it was really worrisome that people were having fears about that, because those are pretty serious concerns. We shouldn't have to worry about that kind of thing from our sites and studios. Even so, I said that I thought it was really unlikely that Jane would "out" someone, because morality aside, it would hurt her business reputation. Now I feel a bit bad for saying that because, regardless of whether it was an accident, Jane "outted" space_cowgirl today by repeatedly posting her model name without consent.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 09:37 PM
Agreed. I tried to get the funds and they won't pay them. I paid her what they sent me and that's all I can do. I don't like what they did, I don't agree with what they did but I also can't force them to pay it either.

Before having a studio I would always take the performers side, but now I am not so sure. Having a studio showed me that a lot of cam performers are also unprofessional and do not handle things well. It's a learning experience for sure.





I think the most important thing for chicas to know is that FWC has absolutely no compunction in retroactively removing earnings from a model. If space_cowgirl says that the site did not inform her that she was removed from guaranteed pay I believe her. The fact that the site neglected to inform Jane as the studio owner lends credence to that claim.

Honestly, I think the best way to have handled this would have been for the studio to pay the full earnings and then fight like hell to get the funds from the site, but for whatever reason that didn't happen.

Regardless, FWC looks shady as fuck in their handling of this situation. Beyond that, some additional patience and communication could have gone a long way towards preventing much of the rest of it.

Ms.Lacey
12-01-2014, 09:47 PM
Honestly, I think the best way to have handled this would have been for the studio to pay the full earnings and then fight like hell to get the funds from the site, but for whatever reason that didn't happen.



Did u skip this part or do you agree with this as well?

Do

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 09:48 PM
Honestly it never occurred to me her name was in the email I posted. I'm so used to knowing so many of you guys by name I didn't even look and that is my 100 percent my fault. I wasn't trying to out anyone and I think it's stupid to think I was. I guess since I don't use a fake name on here I forget some people don't go by their cam info on here.

I wouldn't post anyone's real information and that is such a stupid fear to have period. I could be pissed off, really pissed off and I wouldn't do that. I never even thought of doing that and it's sad that anyone would think another person would do that to them. The Verified group seems to have some issues they should ask on here and not just assume what a person is going to do. It's also insulting to think any of you would actually think I would do that. Some of you on here have no room to talk period after the shit you have done to other performers over the years.

I am done with this bullshit. I have not and would not post anyone's real information. Being annoyed on a forum doesn't equal doing something like that.




I don't particularly want to get involved in this, and I don't have any affiliation with either party at all, but I feel like posting is the right thing to do because space_cowgirl isn't fabricating this idea.

I believe it's not okay to reveal specific things that were said in Verified, so this is really general, and I'll gladly take it down if it's not okay. A few people in Verified have wondered whether posting negative experiences with Jane's studio could have repercussions. A studio owner has access to the models' personal information and funds, and that means they have a lot of power to harm the model.

Prior to today, I responded that it was really worrisome that people were having fears about that, because those are pretty serious concerns. We shouldn't have to worry about that kind of thing from our sites and studios. Even so, I said that I thought it was really unlikely that Jane would "out" someone, because morality aside, it would hurt her business reputation. Now I feel a bit bad for saying that because, regardless of whether it was an accident, Jane "outted" space_cowgirl today by repeatedly posting her model name without consent.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 09:49 PM
Why do you care with what I agree with? You always seem to agree with anyone that complains and never seem to care if the issue is valid or not.



Did u skip this part or do you agree with this as well?

Do

Ms.Lacey
12-01-2014, 09:51 PM
Something is seriously wrong with you. I just don't agree with you.

JaneBurgess
12-01-2014, 09:54 PM
Who asked you to agree? Not me I just pointed out you always seem to side with anyone that complains. So on that alone I wouldn't answer a question from you.



Something is seriously wrong with you. I just don't agree with you.