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Hopper
11-16-2014, 04:05 PM
UFC fights also steal customers away from us when they show them at the clubs. So tired of this!

Possibly they also bring customers into the club which you can steal away when the fight finishes.

Hopper
11-16-2014, 04:57 PM
Idk Hopper. For the most part I've agreed with your points in this thread, but I think that this viewpoint is somewhat simplistic. The dancers are not only the product, but they pay for access to potential customers. IMHO they have a vested interest in who is occupying prime and/or limited seating and the tone that these guys are setting for other customers.

My criticism of the dancer had to do with her faulty assumptions and poor sales skills. If guys are truly timewasters and come in, night after night, and ogle the girls while never giving them anything, then he may deserve a bit of attitude. But for a girl to say that to a brand new customer who she had no history with, and who had already paid girls in the club, just because she couldn't make the sale, was moronic. I guess she couldn't fathom that the problem might be her and not the purported timewaster. ;)

I should back up a bit on what I said before, since persistent freeloading, although not against the rules, is still bad. Anyone who enters the club and watches as well as enjoys a stage show should tip for it. It doesn't cost much. Dancers are entitled to resent obvious and persistent freeloaders. I don't feel sorry for any freeloader who gets attitude from dancers or gets ignored.

However, the reality is that freeloaders are allowed into the club if they pay cover (and they may also buy drinks), so they have a legitimate right to be there and are not obliged to either tip or to sit facing away from the stage. They at least help the dancers indirectly by helping to keep the club open (since they pay cover and buy drinks).

If a dancer is making good money from the paying customers, the freeloaders don't matter. If she is not making a lot of money, she should try another club or a different career. It's not primarily the fault of the freeloaders, there is just no market for her there. It's sort of like opening a store and blaming the regular "browsers" if you don't make enough sales.

Another thing I'll back up on is that if a dancer is doing a good stage show, showing boobs, stripping right off, and repeatedly gets tipped little to nothing, and doesn't sell dances, it's reasonable for her to start holding back. If she get's nothing, there's no reason why she should give anything away. Tips don't cost much, so a non-tipping crowd deserves nothing back. It goes both ways: A dancer who gives nothing won't get back and a crowd that gives nothing will not get anything back. Nobody works for free.

Hopper
11-16-2014, 05:10 PM
If you're semi-interested in a dancer onstage but haven't gotten to the 'final selection' stage, that's no reason not to go tip a couple bucks while she's up there. Simply say smtg like you're not ready for dances yet but you might flag her down later if you decide otherwise. It gets your 'don't come bother me just yet' point across while taking the mind-reading 'Is he just bs'ing when he says come back later? Grrr' responsibility off of the dancer.

My point w/ the previous post was that, guess what, you could be the reason a dancer finally starts actually stripping onstage, by going up & tipping her. I.e. Showing that her performance is appreciated. You know yourself that there's no obligation to spend further on a girl just bc you tipped her onstage, & I am not trying to suggest that there is. I know I would rather a guy come up, tip & plainly say he isn't ready for dances or whatever, but he appreciates my show. I get a little smtg for my effort & I also know not to go bother him right away, beyond maybe going to thank him again when I get offstage. That way both parties are happy. Is it really so impossible to find a middle-ground communication here?

If a dancer asks me if I want a dance before I am ready, I just say "No". "Maybe later" often gets interpreted as "Sit and talk with me for ten minutes and then I'll buy a dance". So the dancer will sit and chat with me for ten, ask me again if I want a dance, and I'll say "No" again and she'll think I was trying to waste her time. Or often they interpret "maybe later" as "definitely later" and come back an hour later expecting me to buy a dance. Saying "No" avoids any misunderstandings, though I may have to say it more than once.

Hopper
11-16-2014, 05:17 PM
I understand how that can be frustrating. But you should consider how some customers choose a dancer. When I go to a club, I want to watch the stage rotations for a while before I pick a dancer for some dances. I want to see how they look, how they dance, how they interact while on stage. I may like a dancer on stage, but I want to wait to see if there are any I like better, before I choose.

I've found that if I tip a dancer that I like, she is likely to stop by and ask to dance. She may be one that I'm considering for dances, but if I tell her "maybe later", I'll probably never see her again. I want to find the dancer that I like the best, among those who are working. I usually spend several hundred dollars, so I put a lot of time in choosing.

When I find the one I like the most, I'll stage tip her, and invite her over. After I get my dances for the evening, I'll tip the other dancers I like. I never sit at the stage, and I don't tip the dancers I don't like.

So, I guess my point is, even if I didn't tip you on stage, doesn't mean I won't get dances from you, it just means I'm early in my selection process.

By all means, please play your no boobie pout act on stage or wear the shirt. It will prevent me from wasting money on you, because I probably wouldn't have enjoyed your company/dances anyway because of your attitude. I want to spend my time in the club with a fun, pretty fantasy girl, not a jaded employee. In return she gets to empty my wallet. Seems fair.

Dancers approach customers to hustle dances whether they tip them on stage or not. Why try to avoid it?

rickdugan
11-16-2014, 10:05 PM
Rickdugan- I can tell that you are very pleased with yourself right now. You gave two girls a little bit of cash, and blew off the last one. And now you want everyone to know that you are not a time-waster. OK, your point has been taken.

As for the point of starting this thread (other than to highlight your self-imposed superiority over that desperate ball-grabbing dancer)- wherever it was supposed to be going, I think the train has derailed.

Kiki, my sole goals in starting this thread were to gain different perspectives and maybe, to a lesser degree, to complain. Mission accomplished on both front, especially with respect to gaining different viewpoints. After all, this is what Customer Conversation is all about. I appreciated each lady who took the effort to share her views, regardless of whether I agreed with some of the underlying opinions.

Aniela
11-23-2014, 09:49 PM
What about the reverse? What about if someone is a terrible customer for the bar, but spends plenty of money tipping the dancers and buying dances. That's essentially me as a custy. I don't really drink, get a soda or water, tip the girls and buy dances. Thoughts?


^As a dancer, I don't give half a fuck how many drinks you buy. I'm sure the club would love if you bought more drinks, but if you pay your cover (if applicable), buy at least one drink (or whatever the minimum is) and tip the waitress, they've got nothing to complain about -- especially if you're actually spending on the dancers and not just nursing your water and staring at the stage for hours.

This ^^^^ Esp when you consider that a portion of what you're spending on the dancers will be going to the club (& to a smaller extent, often the staff as well) in the form of dance cuts & other fees, the behaviour you described Blyzzard more than fills your 'job description' as a real & good SC customer.