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Jassi
10-25-2014, 03:58 PM
Bitch-fest can happen in any profession or setting among women who are not physiologically mature, they have not yet arrived or have much going on for them. I find it the total opposite with camming. Most girls I've come in contact with are super supportive, open-minded and ALWAYS willing to help.

any job I have had--there are always negative nillies--seems the louder someone bitches is a good deflection. Office politics or the scene when I was waitressing--I bitch too sometimes--but it works better when you stay positive and focused.

Jassi
10-25-2014, 04:05 PM
Exactly! I never get why girls get so worked up over "dating traffic". Next time any dude wants to meet you girls just smile and tell him "I'd love to help you out with that in private or exclusive'. You'll be surprised!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/Confused-Flamboyant-Black-Man-Just-Cant-Right-Now_zpsa53698e9.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/Confused-Flamboyant-Black-Man-Just-Cant-Right-Now_zpsa53698e9.gif.html)

I never thought about it like that--thanks.
I only don't like them trying to give me their number--but that is a new way to deal with them. I learn something new here every day.

:-*

kortneykay
10-25-2014, 04:10 PM
Why isn't anyone bitching about the EVEN LOWER percentage that some other cam sites give us? Cams.com and ImLive come to mind. Those sites give around 30% payout AND don't have the paying traffic like SM does. What are THEY doing with all of that money they take?! Shouldn't they be the main concern over SM where plenty of ladies are making their main income from? But no, because most of you don't use those sites as your main site...why?! Because you can't make as much there as you can on SM. So obviously SM is doing something right! I won't complain since I still make almost all of my money there. If you're not making most of your money on SM, then find a site where you can...it's that simple. I tried out ImLive and Cams and found that I just wasn't able to pull in the money I wanted so I either stopped camming there or use them as a splitting site. No need to "strike" against those sites...just don't use them if they can't provide what you need.

I bitch about IML too, lol. I couldn't believe how low cams.com offers but if you split cam and hustle a ton of eggs and do a little indy on the side you get a piece of everyone's pie. Works for me. As long as I make my daily minimum I'm happy.

kortneykay
10-25-2014, 04:19 PM
Exactly! I never get why girls get so worked up over "dating traffic". Next time any dude wants to meet you girls just smile and tell him "I'd love to help you out with that in private or exclusive'. You'll be surprised!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/Confused-Flamboyant-Black-Man-Just-Cant-Right-Now_zpsa53698e9.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/Confused-Flamboyant-Black-Man-Just-Cant-Right-Now_zpsa53698e9.gif.html)

Girl, who are you telling? These dating traffic guys are easy to ensnare because all you have to do is stroke their egos. When you stroke their egos their dicks get hard and their wallets fly right open. Before they know it they've been spoiling you to get the chance to meet you and you never actually agreed to meeting them in the first place, lol. By the time they realize this you've gotten what you wanted from them :D

Marina Starr
10-25-2014, 04:38 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_m7swfnYu7K1rsetyu_zps7a0d0daa.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_m7swfnYu7K1rsetyu_zps7a0d0daa.gif.html)

Girl, who are you telling? These dating traffic guys are easy to ensnare because all you have to do is stroke their egos. When you stroke their egos their dicks get hard and their wallets fly right open. Before they know it they've been spoiling you to get the chance to meet you and you never actually agreed to meeting them in the first place, lol. By the time they realize this you've gotten what you wanted from them :D

Marina Starr
10-25-2014, 04:41 PM
You cannot control what they want to give you. The only control you have over is yourself!

I never thought about it like that--thanks.
I only don't like them trying to give me their number--but that is a new way to deal with them. I learn something new here every day.

:-*

Ms.Lacey
10-25-2014, 07:51 PM
I have a few regs I'm getting to know before we start dating. Going strong for 2-3 years lol that's a strong bond we are building ;)

EllieGold
10-26-2014, 04:15 PM
I am temped on working there lol...after all I am a web developer. Seems like camming just doesn't pay as well anymore because maybe the demand is down and supply is up?

SpaceyLaceyButterfacey
10-26-2014, 04:42 PM
The customers certainly are not going to "strike" for us and quit spending, so they will find new models to spend their money on. Thus, the cam site and the models who keep working, continue to make money and therefore, the "striking" models get no where.

If there were a cam girl "strike"... want to know where you would find me? On the #1 spot of Streamate BANKING MY ASS OFF. Seriously. lol Ain't nobody got time for that! ;)

Also I mean... they pay us 35% but they don't make us cover chargebacks, and they bring a shit load of traffic without us HAVING to market ourselves. Marketing ourselves is just a nice bonus. So sure, maybe if hell froze over you could convince them to pay us higher... but it wouldn't come without a cost to us. We would have to cover chargebacks, or they wouldn't spend as much on traffic. They aren't going to get rid of their profit margin... they are in business to make money, as much as they can. Same business I'm in. ;)

haha I was thinking the same thing... Yall go ahead and go on strike. I'll stay right here and *happily* make 35%!

starcraft
10-26-2014, 07:13 PM
My oppinion . So far to run a site like STREAMATE is not so expensive. About developing of site- its awful. as a developer, i can say that these days with php scripting you can do waaaaaaay more. Site doesnt work well, has lots of glitches... so far my one groupmate could do better site, add paying system. once he did. i dunno. i know person who would make page like sm in one month and would ask like 2000 usd for whole site developing. And when that person saw sm, he laughted..

I think SM just isnt right for camgirl. mostly of camgirls dont stay longer than half year. i believe they suppose rise precentage within amount of year they worked or amount they earned. i think that would be right. also it has to be setted limit for gold shows, for privates, for exclusives.. i know, they are, but 49 cents. and ofcourse, there will be some stupid models that will charge 49 cents because they are so stupid and they believe with 0 gold shows or cheap privates they will earn more: they wont, they just will cause problems for more expensive girl. it doesnt matter hustling, mostly people just choose cheaper, because thats how life is..

also there should be no studios, no virtual studios, no real studios. its really wrong. not only for studio models, but also for private models. studio models usually charge not much, they dont earn much, they overcrowd servers.

where our 65 % goes? most to owners. then to servers. probably sm servers arent in usa. adverbs, but not much. developers, really not much. and other employees.

i tried on chat dont remember which one, but i tried and they offered % raise within made amount in subtotals. once you reach limit, your part growns several %. its pretty fair, bcs motivated girls can succeed, also its pretty motivating.

striking? To strike on site like SM is waste of time. 50% of models there belong to studios- they wont strike, because they cant. they have limits they need to make to get salaries ect. mostly of them even couldnt try to work on other site, bcs they dont have their own place or their own computer ect. they even wouldnt know about striking.

what i am dissapointed about are tips. tips suppose to 100% go to girl. tips are for us, directly for us, for great performance, for great convo, for beautiful eyes. im talking about tips, not gold shows. i noticed that some of my dailies also complained to me that girls dont get 100% of tips... they cant understand that.. i think better idea with this would be ask good dailies write or call to customer service and ask to raise % in tips... they could do that... maybe people wouldnt ask email to send gc or name and surname to send via wu....

audritwo
10-26-2014, 08:32 PM
I'm sorry but I disagree with majority of what you said, starcraft.



It does take a lot of money to run a site like SM. They need servers large enough to support the large amount of traffic and models. Also any camsite has glitches. Technology isn't perfect; there will be hangups. So why don't they just update the code? Instead of writing new better code, taking the site down to recode it would impact on income and piss off a lot of people. I do like how they updated the site for tablets and smart phones. But that is still a work in progress.


You are forgetting chargebacks. Personally I happily take the 35% so I don't have to deal with the chargebacks. It blows when you get one, because that means you literally gave a free show. Think of it as life insurance.


SM does have servers in the US or North America. If they didn't, the connection would be super shitty for us NW Hemispherians. It's kinda like if you play any online games, its beneficial for gameplay to play on a server nearest to you. For example WOW has North America, Europe and Asia servers. Ever noticed models in Australia complaining how the connection sucks on SM? Thats because SM doesn't have a server there.


Studios can be beneficial for some girls. Like you mentioned, they may need a space to cam, help promoting, daily pay, or a better way to manage all the sites they work on. Though I do dislike the toxic ones; the ones that abuse, ripoff, trap models, and any other terrible things that they do.


We are contractors, they are not obligated to give us 100% of tips. We are not waitresses or bellhops. That's why SM doesn't call it tipping, but instead call it "giving gold." Clever, right?


So what a model charges herself $0.49? She could be getting a killer currency exchange or have low self esteem. The number one thing I've learned about camming is to not worry about what other models are doing. Instead make the best of it and worry about yours only. When I started doing that, the money came pouring in. I no longer check to see who is online, my placement, or what other girls around me or in my niche charge. When I don't check, I stay positive.


I don't want you to think I'm attacking you in anyway or hating on you. Its just I don't agree with a lot of your posts.

luvnrockets
10-27-2014, 08:41 AM
I'm sorry but I disagree with majority of what you said, starcraft.



It does take a lot of money to run a site like SM. They need servers large enough to support the large amount of traffic and models. Also any camsite has glitches. Technology isn't perfect; there will be hangups. So why don't they just update the code? Instead of writing new better code, taking the site down to recode it would impact on income and piss off a lot of people. I do like how they updated the site for tablets and smart phones. But that is still a work in progress.


You are forgetting chargebacks. Personally I happily take the 35% so I don't have to deal with the chargebacks. It blows when you get one, because that means you literally gave a free show. Think of it as life insurance.


SM does have servers in the US or North America. If they didn't, the connection would be super shitty for us NW Hemispherians. It's kinda like if you play any online games, its beneficial for gameplay to play on a server nearest to you. For example WOW has North America, Europe and Asia servers. Ever noticed models in Australia complaining how the connection sucks on SM? Thats because SM doesn't have a server there.


Studios can be beneficial for some girls. Like you mentioned, they may need a space to cam, help promoting, daily pay, or a better way to manage all the sites they work on. Though I do dislike the toxic ones; the ones that abuse, ripoff, trap models, and any other terrible things that they do.


We are contractors, they are not obligated to give us 100% of tips. We are not waitresses or bellhops. That's why SM doesn't call it tipping, but instead call it "giving gold." Clever, right?


So what a model charges herself $0.49? She could be getting a killer currency exchange or have low self esteem. The number one thing I've learned about camming is to not worry about what other models are doing. Instead make the best of it and worry about yours only. When I started doing that, the money came pouring in. I no longer check to see who is online, my placement, or what other girls around me or in my niche charge. When I don't check, I stay positive.


I don't want you to think I'm attacking you in anyway or hating on you. Its just I don't agree with a lot of your posts.

Don't worry, you're still in the first 1-2 rows. :)

audritwo
10-27-2014, 10:05 AM
But remember, I haven't always been there. I used to struggle and sometimes still do. I worked my ass off to get my placement. Figuratively and literally. And I truly believe keeping a positive attitude, keeping a schedule, patience, and a great personality will help you and your income tremendously! And I've kept my placement for over a year because I never stopped those things.

SarahTime
10-27-2014, 12:07 PM
Don't worry, you're still in the first 1-2 rows. :)


But remember, I haven't always been there. I used to struggle and sometimes still do. I worked my ass off to get my placement. Figuratively and literally. And I truly believe keeping a positive attitude, keeping a schedule, patience, and a great personality will help you and your income tremendously! And I've kept my placement for over a year because I never stopped those things.

Exactly... those in the first 1-2 rows didn't just start out there. We actually had to DO something to get there.

I am in the first 1-3 rows... I didn't start there. And I've been at the bottom of page 1 before when I wasn't working my ass off, when I had a bad attitude, etc. I worked my way back to the top. I get so tired of this attitude that like, somehow those of us with higher placement just don't know what it's "really" like because we are placed higher and therefore we just automatically don't get it.

audritwo
10-27-2014, 12:42 PM
Sarah, I admire you so much! You are near the end of your pregnancy and still working hard! <3

SarahTime
10-27-2014, 01:29 PM
Sarah, I admire you so much! You are near the end of your pregnancy and still working hard! <3

Aww thanks :) <3

starcraft
10-27-2014, 02:56 PM
a) i mentioned in second place that money goes for servers! so your disagreement doesnt make sense. usually all site updates( any site) are made of same( not new) code with adding or editing already existing code. they find issue, they know what causes it, they fix it then update happens and everything works perfectly. do you really think that they wrote new code and then uploaded it? code isnt just desing of site, the maint things dont change. you dont have turn off site to add code. so far i never seen facebook turned off, but they only make updates.
b) so far when my majority incomes are from people who wont chargeback me, i dont understand that side, cant comment.
c)i said probably, so there is nothing to agree or disagree about. so far i have never had any problems to play video games in asia or america servers. they perfectly worked for me.
d) i believe that mostly of studios( like mine) own models. they dont let them leave studio and work on their owns. its not only giving conditions to model, its also keeping that model on THAT site, and keeping that model on THAT studio. ive asked to be released several times. as they claimed i cant work on my own bcs i would steal their money. idk about american studios, maybe they are different. but here, its awful... thats why i am against studios. because working on your own and working for studio-two different things. i didnt have holidays for 2 years already, bcs i am a studio model, i have requirements i need to meet. so bascally i cant travel, i cant leave city for longer than 2 days... i speak about studios from my own experience. ofcourse, i will add, i dont know about west european, american studios... also when i tried leave,they just said it will get better with new acc, so they create one by one new accs for same models....
e) so far not only waitresses can get tips. tip is a reward for good service. what we do? we provide services. but maybe my oppinion is wrong. so far thats how i take "thank you" messages. customer tipped me for good show. i gave great service he liked so he tipped me extra money so i could keep it to myself.

f) i have killer curency exchange as you call. so far clothes, IT, cosmetics, basicly everything except not imported food is more expensive here. exchange rate doesnt have much in common with prices, bcs prices depents of international oil prices and desision of patent owner or item makers.

JaneBurgess
10-27-2014, 06:36 PM
While I agree Streamate is expensive to run, I also think they have the funds to fix all their glitches. A majority of these glitches will be two years old in November. Thats when they did a major update and started having a ton of errors.

I also wish they would communicate with us performers more. We never know whats going on because they dont tell us and a lot of the CS agents dont answer messages. A forum or newsletter would be nice.

xoprincessremy
10-27-2014, 08:53 PM
what kills me is that they offer 50% matching to 401ks. Most vanilla companies offer only 3%. We are funding their retirements on our backs !

Am I still the only one who's shocked at this?

Rastafari
11-01-2014, 05:42 AM
Mfc and cb and many other places cover chargebacks too, do they not? While still being able to pay 50% and keeping glitches at a minimum

SoloDesire
11-01-2014, 07:05 AM
Mfc and cb and many other places cover chargebacks too, do they not? While still being able to pay 50% and keeping glitches at a minimum

Wait...have you cammed on CB before?! They are glitch city! That's why I stopped camming there...it was nearly impossible with all of the times they were crashing and "updating".

And those sites cover MOST chargebacks. Many girls have still gotten chargebacks from MFC and CB.

Rastafari
11-01-2014, 07:36 AM
Wait...have you cammed on CB before?! They are glitch city! That's why I stopped camming there...it was nearly impossible with all of the times they were crashing and "updating".

And those sites cover MOST chargebacks. Many girls have still gotten chargebacks from MFC and CB.

Damn I didn't know that. I have an account on cb but haven't used it yet. Mfc hasn't given me any chargebacks that I know of. I'll be looking out now tho

audritwo
11-01-2014, 08:12 AM
MFC doesn't protect against large chargebacks. I think there are a lot of sincere tippers on that site, so most models don't see it. BrownFox had mentioned in a previous thread that she had 1k tokens charged back from her on MFC.

SarahTime
11-01-2014, 04:25 PM
MFC also does pretty much next to no advertising AND the number one reason they can pay 50% is that they do ZERO affiliate marketing. Like you can't get extra money for bringing your own traffic, nor can you create a white label type of site, and you can't even earn money as a non model by getting sign ups.

Affiliate marketing is huge in adult websites, and MFC does next to none. With how much of a free for all that place is, they don't really have to. But, quality sites like Streamate have to do something to attract all the PAYING customers they bring us, and a big part of that is by way of affiliate marketing.

If you're up on the happenings of Steamate, you can tell that affiliate marketing is huge for a website like SM, because when Google pulled all their white labels from searches, traffic took a huge hit. Huge. Then SM had to sue Google. So if you think that you can get an awesome site with the paying traffic of Streamate, without it costing A LOT and having to have a lower payout percentage, well you're mistaken.

justanothercamgirl
11-01-2014, 05:54 PM
MFC also does pretty much next to no advertising AND the number one reason they can pay 50% is that they do ZERO affiliate marketing. Like you can't get extra money for bringing your own traffic, nor can you create a white label type of site, and you can't even earn money as a non model by getting sign ups.

CrackRevenue is who MyFreeCams does their affiliate marketing through.
http://blog.crakrevenue.com/mfc-straight-to-model-linking/

Sam38g
11-01-2014, 06:25 PM
CrackRevenue is who MyFreeCams does their affiliate marketing through.
http://blog.crakrevenue.com/mfc-straight-to-model-linking/

MFC is EXTREMELY picky about affiliates unlike most cam site who will let anyone sign up & market for them.

MFC does do charge backs but it is rare.

It cost money to run an adult site, For those of you who arguing about the cost & traffic cost or the ability to get good traffic that converts into a sale. Go try to run your own pay site. TRY to get traffic & sales all on your own. See how hard it is. Go get a dose of reality.
In fact, go build a site out. Go try to get billing. Pony up the money you need for Visa & mastercard.

Go be independent & do the work it takes instead of bitching about SM.

Let us get REAL if you don't have what it takes to do marketing & get that extra 40%/20% with your cammodel link then that should clue you in on how hard it is to get converting traffic.

To dismiss the hard work it took for any model to make it to the top of ANY cam site is RUDE & WRONG! It is an open market, those who make it to the top put in the hours, the game, the hustle to make it there. Maybe you should find a way to up your game, just like they did.

I see the top girls on SM putting in HOURS daily to get there. I don't but then I put in 20 to 35 hours a week on MARKETING!

Many come here & take the time to write awesome advise. If you are NOT making the money you want or your placement sucks. Face it. that is ON YOU!

Can tell you, EVERY single business that is either online or has a computer has glitches. Some maybe more than others, but shit happens. Been on SM & have to say I've had very few problems. But then I have good equipment & fast internet. When on Naked, I used to shut their servers down when it first started due to how many men were in my free chat.

No site is perfect. No site is one size fits all. If you want to make more money with out splitting it with a site then go independent. Many ladies have done it successfully here & written about it. Admire them much for the time, money, investment & balls to do so.

When we have options, there is NO REASON To bitch.

Sam

audritwo
11-01-2014, 06:37 PM
I'll say it again... I fucking love this thread!

justanothercamgirl
11-01-2014, 06:45 PM
Many come here & take the time to write awesome advise. If you are NOT making the money you want or your placement sucks. Face it. that is ON YOU!

While I completely agree with the first point.....I do have to respectfully disagree with the second point.

Streamate has been making a lot of coding decisions that in my personal opinion has ended up resulting in a code-base full of glitches. I have had regulars complain to me about how they are unable to stay in privates. My placement isn't something at this time which is entirely under my control. That being said, it doesn't really bother me since placement isn't everything.

I have previously stated in this thread.....we are not employees of Streamate and we are independent contractors. Streamate is not the only game in town and it certainly isn't the Holy Grail of camming. As Sam has said beautifully.....if you aren't making the money you want then that is on you.

Your focus determines your direction.

Marina Starr
11-01-2014, 07:04 PM
When we have options, there is NO REASON To bitch.

Sam
Ain't that the truth! There are girls who are addicted to bitching, it's like an addiction. Bitching gets them attention. But as the fabulous Dolly Parton said:

SarahTime
11-01-2014, 08:43 PM
CrackRevenue is who MyFreeCams does their affiliate marketing through.
http://blog.crakrevenue.com/mfc-straight-to-model-linking/

Yah I shouldn't have said zero... But like Sam said, it's hard to promote MFC, and because of this they more likely than not pay very little to affiliates, where as SM relies heavily on affiliates therefore they have to have the budget for it, which understandably has an impact on our percentage.

If the only changes SM made was to stop paying affiliates and raise our percentage to 50%, our incomes would go down. 35% sounds low and 50% sounds great but it's the whole "50% of $0 is still $0" thing.

And again just to echo Sam, my husbands pay sites he used to run back in the day generated over half a million in his best year, how much do you think he pocketed? Who do you think the biggest chunk went to? Not him, not the models.... Affiliates. Then cost to operate aka servers, visa fees per transaction, etc.

Rastafari
11-02-2014, 03:45 AM
Thanks to the ladies who could respond with their knowledge in a calm and collected manner. I'm not here to bitch about shit just here like the rest of us who like to collectively be a part of something. This thread is extremely insightful. I'll be leaving it now though and will definitely be looking up mfc's affiliate thing because I seem to be bringing in some traffic with my new Twitter account. Good luck guys much love

Comtesse
11-05-2014, 02:02 PM
well the ranking system still seems pretty random and its impossible to get a real answer from the support. SM camgirl support is just.... dreadfully awful.
To illustrate my point, the bitrate on my solo account is stock at 650 (good). But with the same equipement, i reach 800 (excellent) on my lesbian account. Go figures ?
The MN (round trip time ) also go joyously from 100 (excellent) to 600 (poor), with no plausible cause. I do expect better result with an internet connexion with 40mb download and 10 mb upload....

Comtesse
11-05-2014, 02:05 PM
well the ranking system still seems pretty random and its impossible to get a real answer from the support. SM camgirl support is just.... dreadfully awful.
To illustrate my point, the bitrate on my solo account is stock at 650 (good). But with the same equipement, i reach 800 (excellent) on my lesbian account. Go figures ?
The MN (round trip time ) also go joyously from 100 (excellent) to 600 (poor), with no plausible cause. I do expect better result with an internet connexion with 40mb download and 10 mb upload....

JaneBurgess
11-05-2014, 08:51 PM
I love you Sam

I do get the Streamate frustration tho. Its been two years of glitching on and off. When they did a major overhaul on the site it really fucked things up. It should have been fixed in two years, you know they have the funds to fix it. However you are 100 percent right, we can work on any cam site we want. I do Streamate occasionally now because the glitches annoyed me.




MFC is EXTREMELY picky about affiliates unlike most cam site who will let anyone sign up & market for them.

MFC does do charge backs but it is rare.

It cost money to run an adult site, For those of you who arguing about the cost & traffic cost or the ability to get good traffic that converts into a sale. Go try to run your own pay site. TRY to get traffic & sales all on your own. See how hard it is. Go get a dose of reality.
In fact, go build a site out. Go try to get billing. Pony up the money you need for Visa & mastercard.

Go be independent & do the work it takes instead of bitching about SM.

Let us get REAL if you don't have what it takes to do marketing & get that extra 40%/20% with your cammodel link then that should clue you in on how hard it is to get converting traffic.

To dismiss the hard work it took for any model to make it to the top of ANY cam site is RUDE & WRONG! It is an open market, those who make it to the top put in the hours, the game, the hustle to make it there. Maybe you should find a way to up your game, just like they did.

I see the top girls on SM putting in HOURS daily to get there. I don't but then I put in 20 to 35 hours a week on MARKETING!

Many come here & take the time to write awesome advise. If you are NOT making the money you want or your placement sucks. Face it. that is ON YOU!

Can tell you, EVERY single business that is either online or has a computer has glitches. Some maybe more than others, but shit happens. Been on SM & have to say I've had very few problems. But then I have good equipment & fast internet. When on Naked, I used to shut their servers down when it first started due to how many men were in my free chat.

No site is perfect. No site is one size fits all. If you want to make more money with out splitting it with a site then go independent. Many ladies have done it successfully here & written about it. Admire them much for the time, money, investment & balls to do so.

When we have options, there is NO REASON To bitch.

Sam