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Melonie
11-22-2014, 07:04 AM
Actually some statistics say that the number of milionaires increased in the last 2 years. And the economy is actually back.

That's technically true, but of questionable benefit to camgirls. I suspect that the increased number of Americans earning > $1 million is of most benefit to 'upscale' escorts, dancers, and camgirls ... with extremely few millionaires hanging out for SM gold shows.

And in terms of increased profitability for some US corporations, much is due to such changes as converting full-time workers to part-time workers ( with a proportional shrinkage in paychecks ), or even worse the replacement of human workers with increased automation. Part-time paychecks don't allow money to be spent on 'luxuries' such as adult webcam, and computers / robots don't have male hormones.

The principal point I was trying to make by posting 'main street' income stats, and by pointing out rising costs of most 'necessities', earlier in this thread was to try to reassure 'struggling' camgirls that the arguable recent decline in webcam traffic, and especially the decline in per capita spending by webcam customers, is probably NOT the result of anything they themselves are doing 'wrong'. Nothing positive comes from 'beating up' on yourself when in fact the vast majority of forces behind a negative trend are beyond your control !!!

Are there still webcam customers out there with a fair amount of 'discretionary' income available to spend on paid webcam ? Absolutely. The trick is 'finding' them, or taking actions which will help them 'find' you !

StacySins
11-22-2014, 03:32 PM
I thought the traffic drop was just because I was new! When I first started, I had quite a few people coming into my room and taking me private, now 2 months later I have a much smaller footfall.

I do a lot better in the morning/early afternoon in the UK, late afternoon/evenings are terrible! Does anyone else find this?

Also a lot of the guys that come into my room, constantly log in then out then in then out etc etc and others complain of cam freezing/them getting disconnected. Is this the SM glitches?

anonymous camgirl
11-22-2014, 03:42 PM
Why don't you ask them to rate you??.. Let me tell you a secret about men! They do the least amount of work for women, Women have to ask them to do EVERYTHING or else they won't lift a finger for you...LOL.. that's the majority of them.. They will get away with whatever they can with the least amount of work and money.
Ever since I started asking in EVERY show I get a lot more ratings. That's proof!..I never used to ask either. I would just whine and cry about it.. A lot still don't rate but I got a few extra who will because I ask them to.


I really appreciate this as I had no idea it was only 90 days that counted. I have always had 5 stars except once briefly after I had been gone about 9 months. But most members don't rate and I don't ask them too. But it is good to know they are only counting 90 days and not all time.

SoloDesire
11-22-2014, 03:57 PM
Why don't you ask them to rate you??.. Let me tell you a secret about men! They do the least amount of work for women, Women have to ask them to do EVERYTHING or else they won't lift a finger for you...LOL.. that's the majority of them.. They will get away with whatever they can with the least amount of work and money.
Ever since I started asking in EVERY show I get a lot more ratings. That's proof!..I never used to ask either. I would just whine and cry about it.. A lot still don't rate but I got a few extra who will because I ask them to.

I ask them to rate AND tip a little something if they thank me and say they enjoyed the show. Most of them do!

SubSpace666
12-03-2014, 02:35 AM
So let's say that SM ends up being really horrible and you (hypothetically) decide to quit, which site would you try next? Which sites are busiest? And what other secondary sites do you girls work on? I'm looking to start working another site in conjunction with SM, and I was wondering as a newb to camming in general, which site(s) would you suggest??

Marina Starr
12-03-2014, 08:10 AM
Let's NOT! You'll have to work and find out what sites work best for you. The best/busy sites for you could be horrible to another cam girl.

So let's say that SM ends up being really horrible and you (hypothetically) decide to quit, which site would you try next? Which sites are busiest? And what other secondary sites do you girls work on? I'm looking to start working another site in conjunction with SM, and I was wondering as a newb to camming in general, which site(s) would you suggest??

Glamourmilf
12-03-2014, 08:25 AM
^6So agree with marina on this! SM might not be great for You, but it is still one of the most reliable cam sites outthere. Plus it has such a long track record.
I work on other sites, and the hustle is more draining, and less satisfying. Plus some have chargebacks, which SM doesn't have.
Imo, I don't think its a traffic problem, I think it's a time of day problem.
or who is on I your category when u are.
I've been on SM for 4 yrs., and I know which times will be beneficial to me, and which will not.
Every time I get on other than when I should be on, I don't make that much.
My custies just aren't around at certain times, or they won't spend money until it's the right time for them.
Also, it makes common sense also to be on when there aren't as many models online.
I also tweet, and re tweet and that helps bring in traffic.

kortneykay
12-03-2014, 10:31 AM
Unless a site is dead for everyone, each experience is just different for every model. Some can bank through slow and fast times, and some can't. Logging on will always get you something though.

addytoi
12-03-2014, 11:51 AM
So let's say that SM ends up being really horrible and you (hypothetically) decide to quit, which site would you try next? Which sites are busiest? And what other secondary sites do you girls work on? I'm looking to start working another site in conjunction with SM, and I was wondering as a newb to camming in general, which site(s) would you suggest??

I have been camming for almost 2 months. I signed up with almost 10 sites. I tried them all and used my actual experience on the individual sites to decide which sites are best for me. I will tell you what I have learned. Never depend on just 1 site and just because you love a site that doesn't mean it is the best site for you as far as earning monies.

SubSpace666
12-03-2014, 02:13 PM
I have been camming for almost 2 months. I signed up with almost 10 sites. I tried them all and used my actual experience on the individual sites to decide which sites are best for me. I will tell you what I have learned. Never depend on just 1 site and just because you love a site that doesn't mean it is the best site for you as far as earning monies.


I guess I was more or less asking for suggestions on which sites are most popular/just as busy as SM. I don't know anything about camming in general so I just don't know where to start. BTW, is it possible to get daily pay from SM?

ConnyLove
12-03-2014, 02:46 PM
The other sites with big traffic are Myfreecams and Chaturbate but they are very different than SM, big traffic not always means big paid traffic. You only can get daily pay through 2 studios. SM itself pays weekly. I think that as new model you better get focused in only one site, milk the new girl status and after you get more experience go to others.

Bella28
09-26-2015, 10:44 AM
yep traffic has definitely dramatically decreased. got here through a google search lolol

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2015, 11:56 AM
Our stats tell a whole different story...traffic has certainly shifted around, but whatever they're doing (especially in the last week) has boosted time in paid chat by about 20% overall (even with the extra models). A lot of studios have picked up on that, and that means up to 40% more models online (over norms) at some points of the day. A lot of models fled to other sites during the "dark times" only to come back now and find their rankings have tanked as those that stuck it out climbed over them. It's not your placement that dropped necessarily, sometimes it's just that a few others went up more than yours. The client base is also becoming more dynamic (this is a general internet trend, not just SM) - meaning they bounce faster and are less likely to become "regulars", but this is the market and camming is about as pure "capitalism" as you will find.

If you're judging by Alexa rankings - don't - as with the way SM is configured, their whitelabels are considered separate sites for traffic/ranking purposes. Fewer customers are going directly through SM but whitelabels are picking up the slack with their new program.

We'd love to say that SM is no longer the cornerstone of our program, but every time we prepare for that the numbers bounce back higher than ever (we get a good scare once or twice a year). CB got a nice boost from SM's tech kerfluffles, but that seems to have gone back to baseline just as quickly. Indy sites (SP and CMD, and probably LCMS but we can't speak for them) also got a really nice bump that actually did seem to stick so far - they seem to be the biggest winners in all of this.

You can talk about your own experience, but to say that this is the norm and writing SM's obituary is extremely premature. Yes, a lot of models are facing both more and tougher competition and many are having tech issues that they may or may not be able to fix, but overall most models are doing just as well or better than they have been. Others have moved on to other sites but their income almost invariably went down by doing so (with very few exceptions). Probably the most troubling trend for earnings are models that lowered themselves to the 1.99 to 2.99/minute range...we can address this as a studio but for the marketplace it's definitely not helpful in the long run - nobody should be doing sex work for less than minimum wage (unless they really are doing it for fun).

webcamcutie
09-26-2015, 12:03 PM
^^^ Thanks for this useful bit of info Katy, good to look at the bigger picture and hear things are on the rise. I know *I* myself had a ton of tech issues this week due to a faulty splitter and lose wire to my modem and once that was fixed last night it was pretty much banging and back to normal earnings for me! Sometimes could be our equipment, our connection, I think I have everything rock solid so I'll be happy to see my results at the end of next week putting in some serious hours with everything working correctly!

Bella28
09-26-2015, 12:07 PM
what i said was i got here through a google search and i have noticed a decrease in traffic. that is my truth and hving to put in waaaaay more hours than what i am used to. some girls can blame whatever they want but i dont have faulty equipment or fucked up internet lol and working the same times as when i was when i was busy and its deader than it was. its not a coincidence that a lot of girls are saying the same thing. its been like this for me since mid july. its funny some people claim to be slow than when they here others are busy their story changes. hate is so sad

xoprincessremy
09-26-2015, 12:08 PM
have you been camming on SM?^^

traffic has definitely decreased -- idk what you're going by.

Bella28
09-26-2015, 12:10 PM
and my placement has definitely dropped that is also not a coincidence that every time i log in im in the middle of the page when i was third row from the top when 1k girls are online and drop even further when more come on lol. I am slowly creeping back up from taking a few weeks off but it shouldnt drop that fast from not being on a few weeks. life happens

xoprincessremy
09-26-2015, 12:10 PM
what i said was i got here through a google search and i have noticed a decrease in traffic. that is my truth and hving to put in waaaaay more hours than what i am used to. some girls can blame whatever they want but i dont have faulty equipment or fucked up internet lol and working the same times as when i was when i was busy and its deader than it was. its not a coincidence that a lot of girls are saying the same thing. its been like this for me since mid july. its funny some people claim to be slow than when they here others are busy their story changes. hate is so sad

Same. My hourly averages are literally HALF of what they normally are.
i7. bcc950. excellent/good rankings. 75 upload speed.

SM cannot tell me that it's my equipment! it's the fucking site

Bella28
09-26-2015, 12:11 PM
have you been camming on sm?^^

traffic has definitely decreased -- idk what you're going by.

exactly!!!!!!

Bella28
09-26-2015, 12:13 PM
Same. My hourly averages are literally HALF of what they normally are.
i7. bcc950. excellent/good rankings. 75 upload speed.

SM cannot tell me that it's my equipment! it's the fucking site

exactly!!! I actually have a better internet provider than I had even lol IDK seems like some are either not being affected or they are in denial.

Kitcatt
09-26-2015, 12:41 PM
Katy, THANK YOU so much for letting us know the trends. It's really nice having someone who owns a studio and shares this info on a forum like this. I myself have had the best month I've ever had in my 3 year career, almost jaw dropping numbers for me. Not a clue why its been so good, but it does seem like my traffic comes into my room more steadily late night/ early morning.

euro_princess
09-26-2015, 02:09 PM
and my placement has definitely dropped that is also not a coincidence that every time i log in im in the middle of the page when i was third row from the top when 1k girls are online and drop even further when more come on lol. I am slowly creeping back up from taking a few weeks off but it shouldnt drop that fast from not being on a few weeks. life happens

That's not SM's fault for sure. More models online means a bigger competion, more girls in front of you. Nobody drops you when the numbers raise, they just have a higher ranking and you go lower.
If you think that might be the problem, log in during weekends, less models -> higher position.

Bella28
09-26-2015, 02:13 PM
That's not SM's fault for sure. More models online means a bigger competion, more girls in front of you. Nobody drops you when the numbers raise, they just have a higher ranking and you go lower.
If you think that might be the problem, log in during weekends, less models -> higher position.

my placment increases with money earned, hours streamed, and internet speed i have noticed this. i recently took 3 weeks off almost and since coming back have been in the middle of the page. i dont think that should affect my placement but it does. that has happened to me before too and my sister in law when we took time off.

Bella28
09-26-2015, 02:17 PM
there are also other factors like cam quality, using sound, internet speed, using or not using the encoder that does affect placement it is not just how many girls are online. that's even outlined in the faq's on your streamate dashboard. also, every girl when she logs on is not on the front page lol its only top earners. like i said im moving up in placement but having to do so in more hours because less privs during my daily hours. guess ill have to stick to night shifts to increase my hourly and gain placement.

euro_princess
09-26-2015, 02:30 PM
I do not advise you to do a lot of hours to incrase your hours, while your earnings are dropping. Cause you try to fix things on a part, but break them on the other one (percentage in paid chat, hourly average). Work more, but wisely!

xoprincessremy
09-26-2015, 02:31 PM
I do not advise you to do a lot of hours to incrase your hours, while your earnings are dropping. Cause you try to fix things on a part, but break them on the other one (percentage in paid chat, hourly average). Work more, but wisely!

it's a catch 22. work less, make less.

but if you make less by working more, then you end up making even less because you 'worked too much'

Bella28
09-26-2015, 02:37 PM
I do not advise you to do a lot of hours to incrase your hours, while your earnings are dropping. Cause you try to fix things on a part, but break them on the other one (percentage in paid chat, hourly average). Work more, but wisely!

yeah thats why i said ill be working nights because im averaging 50-60 an hour at night. sat and sun nights i can bank 1k but i try to avoid that since i have a family.

sexkitten_666
09-26-2015, 03:11 PM
Our stats tell a whole different story...traffic has certainly shifted around, but whatever they're doing (especially in the last week) has boosted time in paid chat by about 20% overall (even with the extra models). A lot of studios have picked up on that, and that means up to 40% more models online (over norms) at some points of the day. A lot of models fled to other sites during the "dark times" only to come back now and find their rankings have tanked as those that stuck it out climbed over them. It's not your placement that dropped necessarily, sometimes it's just that a few others went up more than yours. The client base is also becoming more dynamic (this is a general internet trend, not just SM) - meaning they bounce faster and are less likely to become "regulars", but this is the market and camming is about as pure "capitalism" as you will find.

If you're judging by Alexa rankings - don't - as with the way SM is configured, their whitelabels are considered separate sites for traffic/ranking purposes. Fewer customers are going directly through SM but whitelabels are picking up the slack with their new program.

We'd love to say that SM is no longer the cornerstone of our program, but every time we prepare for that the numbers bounce back higher than ever (we get a good scare once or twice a year). CB got a nice boost from SM's tech kerfluffles, but that seems to have gone back to baseline just as quickly. Indy sites (SP and CMD, and probably LCMS but we can't speak for them) also got a really nice bump that actually did seem to stick so far - they seem to be the biggest winners in all of this.

You can talk about your own experience, but to say that this is the norm and writing SM's obituary is extremely premature. Yes, a lot of models are facing both more and tougher competition and many are having tech issues that they may or may not be able to fix, but overall most models are doing just as well or better than they have been. Others have moved on to other sites but their income almost invariably went down by doing so (with very few exceptions). Probably the most troubling trend for earnings are models that lowered themselves to the 1.99 to 2.99/minute range...we can address this as a studio but for the marketplace it's definitely not helpful in the long run - nobody should be doing sex work for less than minimum wage (unless they really are doing it for fun).

It seems like I do my worst when streamate is doing it's best, oddly enough. Do you know whether most of that comes from goldshows?

KatyBoleyn
09-26-2015, 03:29 PM
We kick out the outliers (namely stats from the few models that do long voyeur shows) before we compile stats.

As for GS earnings for regular shows, those are averaged in with everything else. Your average $/hour is the most important stat, so income from any source is counted.

sexysusie
09-26-2015, 03:32 PM
Thank you Katy, your post on the page before makes a lot of sense. Everything you ladies are describing here is happening on AW too. it is so strange, I can still make my goals and have this year made a lot more than previous years, but I can feel a very definite shift. All of the camsites seem to have changed, the guys are different, the outlook is different, and there are a LOT of girls charging very little. It makes me very uncomfortable because over the period of a week early this year, I suddenly started making HALF my previous hourly earnings. up until that point they had always been steady. I have gotten back on track but have had to change a lot of things about the way that I work to start seeing those same numbers again. Every day I am scared "this is it", that i'll try to log in a BAM no more camsites (or non that I could work on anyway).

sexkitten_666
09-26-2015, 03:32 PM
We kick out the outliers (namely stats from the few models that do long voyeur shows) before we compile stats.

As for GS earnings for regular shows, those are averaged in with everything else. Your average $/hour is the most important stat, so income from any source is counted.

Thanks, Katy! I'm curious how ladies do in voyeur shows. They always stuck out as something fun to try, but I'm too scared of no one buying in >_<

sexkitten_666
09-26-2015, 03:37 PM
Thank you Katy, your post on the page before makes a lot of sense. Everything you ladies are describing here is happening on AW too. it is so strange, I can still make my goals and have this year made a lot more than previous years, but I can feel a very definite shift. All of the camsites seem to have changed, the guys are different, the outlook is different, and there are a LOT of girls charging very little. It makes me very uncomfortable because over the period of a week early this year, I suddenly started making HALF my previous hourly earnings. up until that point they had always been steady. I have gotten back on track but have had to change a lot of things about the way that I work to start seeing those same numbers again. Every day I am scared "this is it", that i'll try to log in a BAM no more camsites (or non that I could work on anyway).

Exactly, Susie. It's very scary and unsettling. The frequent throttling back and fourth from great earnings to crap is driving me nuts. I'd rather $30/ an hour foever than $75 one week and $10 the next. It makes it so much more difficult to budget and plan.

webcamcutie
09-26-2015, 04:21 PM
what i said was i got here through a google search and i have noticed a decrease in traffic. that is my truth and hving to put in waaaaay more hours than what i am used to. some girls can blame whatever they want but i dont have faulty equipment or fucked up internet lol and working the same times as when i was when i was busy and its deader than it was. its not a coincidence that a lot of girls are saying the same thing. its been like this for me since mid july. its funny some people claim to be slow than when they here others are busy their story changes. hate is so sad

By no means what I said there was in any reference or directed to anyone at all, and there is no hate involved if you're talking about me. I said what happened to me this week and what I did to fix it, considering I was making an average of a 1/3 of my regular earnings as opposed to the 1/2 that its been like so I knew something was definitely up. I never said that traffic was completely fixed and everything was fine, I said it was nice to know the stats from a studio owner. There are women out there that are making bank right now so there is traffic somewhere. Of course its slower, of course we're working more hours, but at the beginning of this week I had a ton of complaints of a freezing and lagging cam (so I would watch myself and see it happening for myself on my other computer) so I found out what the source was and got that fixed and I went from the dreaded 2-5min pvts and like making next to NOTHING in 3 hours to making what I was making during those 3 hours hourly in this slow down that's been going on for months.

Really, I'm not hateful I don't know why you would think that or think that I directed my post at you, it was never directed at anyone, just how I fixed my issues this week. Perhaps I worded my post wrong, but going along with all my other postings in the forum this week they all seem to go together and make sense to me in my own head and maybe not necessarily to someone who doesn't pay as much attention to them. :) I went from having issues with my old computer which was an i5, to finding out I had issues with a webcam I was using and that my iMac couldn't cut it for the new settings to finding a fix for all the other mac users out there with a program to force the FPS issues, to switching to a better computer, to finding out that my old Logitech 930e camera wasn't compat with my new computer, to getting a new 920c to replace my old one, to getting my internet fixed, etc, all within the last 2-3 weeks, but this week I had issues with my net and it could have been for a long time for all I know? It's been quite the journey for me to fix all my crap! And even so I still make less than I did prior to my surgery the end of May which resulted in a lot of time off and since then I mean I didn't start camming again fulltime up until 4 weeks ago because I hardly worked over the summer... anyways that's all irrelevant, I have no ill feelings, sorry if you feel that way. And if you weren't directing this at me, then don't mind my babbling, I do that a little too much sometimes!

Bella28
09-26-2015, 05:01 PM
By no means what I said there was in any reference or directed to anyone at all, and there is no hate involved if you're talking about me. I said what happened to me this week and what I did to fix it, considering I was making an average of a 1/3 of my regular earnings as opposed to the 1/2 that its been like so I knew something was definitely up. I never said that traffic was completely fixed and everything was fine, I said it was nice to know the stats from a studio owner. There are women out there that are making bank right now so there is traffic somewhere. Of course its slower, of course we're working more hours, but at the beginning of this week I had a ton of complaints of a freezing and lagging cam so I found out what the source was and got that fixed and I went from the dreaded 2-5min pvts and like making next to NOTHING in 3 hours to making what I was making during those 3 hours hourly in this slow down that's been going on for months.

Really, I'm not hateful I don't know why you would think that or think that I directed my post at you, it was never directed at anyone, just how I fixed my issues this week.

oh ok it just came off to me that you were saying maybe its my equipmnt when it can't be that. I have done fine nights but days are deader than hell. at this point there really is nothign i can do but put in more hours. glad to hear your issues were just ur stuff.

webcamcutie
09-26-2015, 05:03 PM
oh ok it just came off to me that you were saying maybe its my equipmnt when it can't be that. I have done fine nights but days are deader than hell. at this point there really is nothign i can do but put in more hours. glad to hear your issues were just ur stuff.

Shit SM daytime makes me wanna slit my wrists just to get comments from the guys lately, its been a bloody nightmare! Pun perhaps intended there. Hopefully it'll get better for all of us, but all we can do is try, right? I hate having to work so many hours, I was getting used to having a life but that's a distant memory right now with Christmas coming and an influx of extra vet bills from the dog, among other things, I'll sleep when I'm dead, and enjoy my Sundays to watch football and play xbox instead until after Christmas! LOL.

Bella28
09-26-2015, 05:06 PM
Shit SM daytime makes me wanna slit my wrists just to get comments from the guys lately, its been a bloody nightmare! Pun perhaps intended there. Hopefully it'll get better for all of us, but all we can do is try, right? I hate having to work so many hours, I was getting used to having a life but that's a distant memory right now with Christmas coming and an influx of extra vet bills from the dog, among other things, I'll sleep when I'm dead, and enjoy my Sundays to watch football and play xbox instead until after Christmas! LOL.

yes it does seriously! i have literally been banning any old regs who havent taken me private in months but just want to come in and talk for hours like um no. I would rather stare at myself lol. I have xmas, a new baby on the way and bills for 3 months i have to save for so i have no choice but to sit my ass on the pc and cam for however long it takes me :(

EllieGold
09-26-2015, 10:00 PM
$0.90 in 1 hour on SM tonight. I have great placement, hard wired and everything. Had 3 freeloaders already and 1 dude who thought he was "saving" me from boredom. Heh. Should i pull an all nighter shift tonight?

Bella28
09-26-2015, 10:20 PM
$0.90 in 1 hour on SM tonight. I have great placement, hard wired and everything. Had 3 freeloaders already and 1 dude who thought he was "saving" me from boredom. Heh. Should i pull an all nighter shift tonight?

been on since 940 and got 57 lol im staying until 4 so i can i tried at least but im trying to stay awake lolol and i was on 3rd row from the top now 4th 5th and my room has been a ghost town all night

Redcandy
10-19-2015, 12:06 PM
Has anyone notice that after August with all the tech issues "streamgate" Sm traffic hasn't recover? Day shift is oddly slow. June and July were my highest earning months then came Streamgate! Im still making good money but im sitting in free chat longer. Odd

Smurfette
10-19-2015, 01:40 PM
I was doing fine until a couple weeks ago. It's been uncharacteristically slow. My hourly average has plummeted. I either have very little traffic (0-3 at a time) or a lot of traffic but no one taking me private. It's just really weird. I've never had to hustle this hard for this many hours, for so little. Take away the occasional regular bumping my average up, and I'm making like $15 an hour. This is down from $35-$40/hour a couple weeks ago (which is already a huge dip from what I used to make, but at least I can live with that).

Nothing's really changed. I'm not looking or acting any different. As far as I can tell, my stream looks good. Not choppy or laggy. I've gone back and forth between the old and new encoder settings, both work fine.

I do notice I've been making more later in the day, so maybe it's just day shift that's been affected... I can't really work much at night though. Bleh.

christylive
10-21-2016, 05:33 PM
Exactly, Susie. It's very scary and unsettling. The frequent throttling back and fourth from great earnings to crap is driving me nuts. I'd rather $30/ an hour foever than $75 one week and $10 the next. It makes it so much more difficult to budget and plan.

So true! I learned from Sam just how important extra eggs in the basket are. It is beyond scary to even think about where I'd be if I didn't listen to her golden advice last year or the valuable tips and tricks I learned here. The ups and downs especially on free chat cam sites seem to be more than ever now.

Mare
10-22-2016, 07:21 AM
It's the same stuff as same time last year. I wonder what it is. Do they just all abandon ship and go on vacation at the same time and nobody minds the store? So curious.