View Full Version : Prices per minute on Webcams
chloemay
12-10-2014, 05:47 PM
Here's the way it comes across Sam after reading those threads on raise your rates. It comes across as some girls driving up prices and telling girls who are not making money to raise theirs so that the overall prices are higher on average. It's like using the new girls to tell them what to do so you can make your higher prices seem fair. Am I for equal pay rates....sure I am. But don't give me women vs men pay rates when you are charging what would equate to $180 per hour if you are only charging $3 per minute (per one customer) and really don't have much for over head costs. You're doing way better than most if you truly are making even just $180 an hour.
Prices for a LIVE, on Demand interactive SEX SHOW should be higher than they currently are. You are a cheap-O trying to justify being so.
Your $3.00 per minute= $180 completely ignores the site fees that were pointed out to you in the very first post.
Kitcatt
12-10-2014, 05:55 PM
The only thing I expect from anyone in free chat is to do a little more than just sit there and do nothing. Personally, a little bit of conversation is nice but I don't expect nudity or anything beyond that for free. But from what I am noticing, so many girls now are doing just that....sitting...saying nothing...and raising their prices. That is what I call boring. If I ask a question about their show and no response, I just move on. But you girls make it sound like these girls are "worth it" because they are a "luxury".
justanothercamgirl, so what exactly are your equipment costs? I asked before and still no reply from anyone.
Well, you can get a swatch or a rolex? Yes, there are a lot of cam girls, and no, not all of them will be your flavor. You might not like what they do in free chat, how they look, et. etc. But the beauty of cams is that someone out there will and finds value in that cam model. If a cam model can hold a price point above her other less expensive competitors that means that a LOT of people find value in her, even at the more expensive price point. If you see a model on the front page/ top 3 lines of any website at any price that generally means they have a pretty broad and loyal fan base because of the algorithms used by the website that keeps her placed there.
For me, my equipment costs are things like vibrators, dongs, clothing, hair, makeup, facials, skin treatments, nails, gym membership, and no, I wouldn't use half these services if I wasn't on cam. This month my costs are a bit higher than average: $1,110. Had to buy my moisturizer and have my extensions replaced.
Sam38g
12-10-2014, 06:06 PM
Girls who are boring don't make money.
NONE of them will ever make $50 per hour & never get to $180 per hour.
So the market already puts them where they belong on a cam site.
The top girls on the 1st page never just sit there & look boring. Now, $3 per minute girls at the bottom of page 2 do. This is the cam market working the way it should. A boring girl does not get the traffic or sales it takes to be at the top.
None of us or you can make a $3 per minute performer be more entertaining. If you want more entertaining girls, going to have to up your budget.
We are a luxury item. You don't need us to live. Not like food, a place to live, clothing. You can fuck your girlfriend or wife instead. You can jack off with your imagination or visit the free tubesites with free porn. Even for just $20 a month join a porn site with thousands of scenes to jack off to for value for your money.
Most $3 per minute girls barely make $20 a day, much less in an hour. They are NOT earning much. A boring girl on cam does NOT make money, no matter how cheap or expensive she is. Most of them never figure out they must be more enticing to get more privates. They believed some man who told them all they had to do in order to make money was sit there and look pretty. That camming is easy.
Sam
Sam38g
12-10-2014, 06:37 PM
There is a famous saying "If you are going to be a hoe, then be an expensive hoe"
SweetJulia
12-10-2014, 07:02 PM
@OP, what exactly is your goal with this thread? To guilt girls into lowering prices? Cuz guys on cam do that every day and it doesn't work. You'll be more content if you find a lower priced girl than try to create one. Maybe this analogy will make sense: just because you want McDonalds' prices, a steakhouse won't lower theirs to make your life easier. It's faster and less stressful for everyone involved if you just got McDonalds to begin with. I'm really not trying to be mean, but there's no reason to lower your price if you make shitloads just because someone can't afford you.
SweetJulia
12-10-2014, 07:21 PM
Key words....what you can get away with. Makes sense as to why I am seeing so many girls now raising their rates and doing nothing but sitting their just expecting you to take them private. BORING. It's as if it has become a they (the customer) will
pay whatever I charge mentality so why even do anything to attract them.
I pay for what i receive. If you work less harder than someone else, guess whom I am willing to pay more.
That's perfectly fine, there are more than enough customers left to keep us busy. Also, anyone who says they don't want to make as much as possible is lying. Sex work pays well and the women on this board adjust accordingly to keep it that way during slow times. We get countless bits of "business advice" from customers who just want a cheaper rate.
DavidAshton
12-10-2014, 07:23 PM
Girls who are boring don't make money.
NONE of them will ever make $50 per hour & never get to $180 per hour.
So the market already puts them where they belong on a cam site.
The top girls on the 1st page never just sit there & look boring. Now, $3 per minute girls at the bottom of page 2 do. This is the cam market working the way it should. A boring girl does not get the traffic or sales it takes to be at the top.
None of us or you can make a $3 per minute performer be more entertaining. If you want more entertaining girls, going to have to up your budget.
We are a luxury item. You don't need us to live. Not like food, a place to live, clothing. You can fuck your girlfriend or wife instead. You can jack off with your imagination or visit the free tubesites with free porn. Even for just $20 a month join a porn site with thousands of scenes to jack off to for value for your money.
Most $3 per minute girls barely make $20 a day, much less in an hour. They are NOT earning much. A boring girl on cam does NOT make money, no matter how cheap or expensive she is. Most of them never figure out they must be more enticing to get more privates. They believed some man who told them all they had to do in order to make money was sit there and look pretty. That camming is easy.
Sam
Not sure which site/s you are referring to but I see plenty of price ranges on the 1st page alone and it's not the top girls. I have gone beyond the first several pages and found many quality entertainers by doing so. Just as I've seen plenty of these higher priced girls on the first page that I call quite boring. There's a reason I rarely ever see them in a pvt session. As for those $3 per minute girls, the ones I frequent make $20 an hour EASILY. I know with my sessions they are making way more than that on me alone. So you're quite mistaken as these girls stay busy.
justanothercamgirl
12-10-2014, 07:30 PM
Not sure which site/s you are referring to but I see plenty of price ranges on the 1st page alone and it's not the top girls. I have gone beyond the first several pages and found many quality entertainers by doing so. Just as I've seen plenty of these higher priced girls on the first page that I call quite boring. There's a reason I rarely ever see them in a pvt session. As for those $3 per minute girls, the ones I frequent make $20 an hour EASILY. I know with my sessions they are making way more than that on me alone. So you're quite mistaken as these girls stay busy.
Then you haven't been paying enough attention. No girl makes it to the top row on Streamate unless she is making good money per hour. How do you think they ended up in the top rows in the first place?
DavidAshton
12-10-2014, 07:34 PM
Then you haven't been paying enough attention. No girl makes it to the top row on Streamate unless she has she is making good money per hour. How do you think they ended up in the top rows in the first place?
I guess those girls charging just $3 per minute are doing quite well then in which case you just disproved your own argument.
justanothercamgirl
12-10-2014, 07:36 PM
I guess those girls charging just $3 per minute are doing quite well then in which case you just disproved your own argument.
How did I disprove my argument? There are many girls of many different price points on the first page. To prove your argument then every single girl on the first page would have to be charging $3 a minute.
Sam38g
12-10-2014, 07:47 PM
I guess those girls charging just $3 per minute are doing quite well then in which case you just disproved your own argument.
Dude, if that is true, then you would not be here complaining about girls lying & being boring for your money.
If girls at $3 per minute are doing so great, then no need for you to post because then there are plenty for you to chose from.
If your theory works, then you become a cam performer & prove it. Meanwhile, many of the girls posting here have done just that worked their way up & they all charge more than the $3 you seem to be stuck on.
I have advised personally over 100 cam girls. First thing I tell them to do is raise their rates. Without fail, all of them got more privates & doubled their money.
You have lost this debate. You have failed to convince any of us that you are right. Not a single girl on here after reading what you have wrote is going to lower her rate at all, much less to $3 per minute.
You are defeated.
Sam
DavidAshton
12-10-2014, 07:53 PM
How did I disprove my argument? There are many girls of many different price points on the first page. To prove your argument then every single girl on the first page would have to be charging $3 a minute.
You disproved it because you're trying to say higher rates are needed due to overhead costs, costs of being a web cam girl, etc. But then you say that the top girls are obviously doing well even, the ones that are only charging $3 per minute. Face it, the point of those wanting to raise rates is not because you're worth it....it's more of a want to do so to earn more...which I am fine with. But when this site is trying to get everyone to raise rates and lying about why they should, I see wrong in that. If you want to raise your rates then fine. But when a site is promoting all of it's competitors to do so, only to drive overall prices up, that is exactly what is going on here. With more and more cam sites popping up, I am sure the competition is getting much tougher so it appears the attempt of these threads here are nothing more than to get as many possible to raise their prices so those of you can raise yours even more. In other business practices, this is actually illegal. Competitors working together to drive prices up is nothing new.
justanothercamgirl
12-10-2014, 08:01 PM
You disproved it because you're trying to say higher rates are needed due to overhead costs, costs of being a web cam girl, etc. But then you say that the top girls are obviously doing well even, the ones that are only charging $3 per minute. Face it, the point of those wanting to raise rates is not because you're worth it....it's more of a want to do so to earn more...which I am fine with. But when this site is trying to get everyone to raise rates and lying about why they should, I see wrong in that. If you want to raise your rates then fine. But when a site is promoting all of it's competitors to do so, only to drive overall prices up, that is exactly what is going on here. With more and more cam sites popping up, I am sure the competition is getting much tougher so it appears the attempt of these threads here are nothing more than to get as many possible to raise their prices so those of you can raise yours even more. In other business practices, this is actually illegal. Competitors working together to drive prices up is nothing new.
Seriously?
Oh yeah, I don't suppose that it has anything to do with supporting other camgirls so they can actually make a living wage.
It is all about the fact that we are greedy whores and this whole forum is nothing but a brain-washing cult put together by evil genius camgirls whose single-minded goal is to drive up the prices so you can't afford them anymore.
Get the fuck out of here. LOL!
And all the girls who gush with thanks for us telling them to raising their price.....those girls are all in on the scam too right?
http://media.giphy.com/media/yGE50nEVxqjFC/giphy.gif
P.S. Thanks for completely ignoring the fact that I can't afford to cam right now because of overhead while pointing how low the overhead is to cam. That part was the funniest.
Aniela
12-10-2014, 08:02 PM
I really think you should take laurielegs suggestion and become a camboy for awhile. It would straighten out these false assumptions you have about the industry lickey-split.
Eh, you know that old saying … Those who can, do -- those who can't, overcompensate by lecturing those who can on how terrible they are.
CurvyWinona
12-10-2014, 09:12 PM
For the percentage, NOT all models have same percentage! Some other countries give models only 20 percent, sometimes even less, with shady studios.
Sam38g
12-10-2014, 10:12 PM
Yes, I fully admit all the time that I am evil.
More evil I am more money I make. hahahaha
How evil we are to show support & believe in other girls our own competition to make more money. How absolutely evil to be a cheerleaders & help girls earn more money.
Let me guess, you are here to save us all. To save us at the end of your dick.
Funny, thing raising your rates challenge works.
Cheaper the rate, ruder the customer & less money you make. Guess men who spend money are NOT looking for bargain basement deals when it comes to camming. Was a broke bitch when I was nice, sweet & cheap.
All privates on MFC are $6 per minute, plenty of privates at that price point going on at any given time.
Don't blame us that we make more money & have better clients at a higher price point, blame your fellow men.
How much or how little my cost to do business is NONE of your business. You are telling us to limit our income, to limit our earning ability based upon what it cost to do business. You are nut case. I have every right to make as much money as I can. It is the goal of every single business to lower cost & raise profits. You need to go to school & take a class in business. If I do lower my cost to do business, does NOT mean I'm obligated to lower my profit margin.
Not one single performer is lying in that thread. Those who took the challenge took their time to come back & post their results. Majority of them made more money in less time, enjoyed the clients more. A few, did write the opposite. Thus it is a fair & not a lie. Any girl can try it & see if it works.
Only you are saying that it is a lie & does not work. You are NOT a performer. You have no right to call any of us a liar. Looked at how many times I've been thanked on this forum. You don't get thanks for lying or posting bad advise.
Yes, there are more & more cam sites popping up. And most of them fail, go down, out of biz. Since there is a wide range of prices on any given cam site, we are NOT fixing the price. Cam biz is highly competitive. Cam biz is ran & owned by different people all across the WORLD.
There is no way to fix the price & get thousands upon thousands of performers from around the world to do so. Just isn't possible, you are delusional.
Girls raised their rates & increased their income. Which has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of doing business. Does it make you mad, something so simple & easy to do great affects our bottom line instantly. :) No where in business is it written that the cost of business should be directly in proportion to the profit.
Probably less than 20% of cam girls even know about this site, much less read it & follow the advice written.
How evil that females are working hard to earn money & not depend upon a man or the gov to pay their bills. How evil that they want to succeed & make money.
"Greed is Good" Gordon Gekko 'Wallstreet'.
At any given time there are plenty of girls on cam in free chat doing it all for free. You do not see us calling them out & hating on them.
At any given time you can go on twitter, facebook & other social media & get a non-performer and try to talk her into skyping naked with you for free. Making her empty promises of dating & love. You can put in the time, the work, the effort of many hours to develop those kind of relationships. Of course, she will not be so readily available 24/7 like girls on cam sites are & so many to chose from.
Face it, you are going onto cam sites to be a dirty pervert. God love you for it, but not like you have the moral high ground here. You have no right to be upset about girls raising their rates.
I have no problem getting a customer to cum in under ten minutes, maybe the girls at $3 just aren't as talented as I am & is why you take so long. I have a talent to make men cum, to make them cum harder than they have ever cum before. Have over 12,000 likes & many many regulars that have followed me from cam site to cam site for over 8 years. They don't keep spending money if I wasn't that good.
Totally convinced the $3 girls aren't delivering what you need, try us higher priced evil queens.
Sam
Melonie
12-10-2014, 11:59 PM
So exactly how much are you spending on cameras and how often are you having to replace them?
For camgirls who cater to 'upscale' customers, costs of a 'full HD' capable camera ( + capture device + PTZ device ) can exceed $1000. Cost of an I7 based high performance laptop capable of 'keeping up' with 'full HD' streaming for hours at a time without melting down can approach $2000. And in some areas, the camgirl's cost of 'business class' internet service needed to achieve 'full HD streaming can cost another $1200+ per year. 'Upscale' webcam customers tend to appreciate quality, and typically don't balk at paying comparatively high per minute pricing levels to get it. Also true that these costs are all deductible as business expenses, but A. the girl has to pony up the money in the first place, and B. the girl has to earn the money before applying the deductions.
With evolving technical / performance capabilities, thus evolving webcam host technical capabilities, thus evolving expectations on the part of 'upscale' webcam customers, the 'half-life' of the hardware needed to keep delivering an 'upscale' quality video stream is probably something on the order of just 12 months. Or put another way, the generational 'leaps' in video standards ... from 480i many years ago to 720i 3-4 years ago to 1080i 1-2 years ago, leaves camgirls with a choice of upgrading hardware every couple of years to continue to appeal to 'upscale' customers, or continue to operate with existing hardware with an associated 'slide' in upscale customer appeal.
At the moment 4K 'ultra HD' video streaming is being 'experimented' with by Netflix and a handful of non-webcam host streaming video servers. If and when 'upscale' webcam customers come to expect 4K 'ultra HD' video streaming quality, it will cause another generational 'leap' ... and force another round of hardware upgrades.
Don't blame us that we make more money & have better clients at a higher price point, blame your fellow men.
True enough that some webcam customers are satisfied with camgirls using a 720i capable ~$100 'consumer' camera running through an I3 based $600 laptop using 'consumer' class internet service costing $250 per year ... but such 'average' customers usually balk when faced with 'upscale' per minute pricing levels for an 'average' quality video stream.
Red Velvette
12-11-2014, 05:00 AM
Not sure which site/s you are referring to but I see plenty of price ranges on the 1st page alone and it's not the top girls. I have gone beyond the first several pages and found many quality entertainers by doing so. Just as I've seen plenty of these higher priced girls on the first page that I call quite boring. There's a reason I rarely ever see them in a pvt session. As for those $3 per minute girls, the ones I frequent make $20 an hour EASILY. I know with my sessions they are making way more than that on me alone. So you're quite mistaken as these girls stay busy.
Bolded by me. Dude...$20. per hour? For sex work? That is insulting. Maybe you think that is a good rate for a cam performer who puts literally everything on the line, but most would not.
Sam38g
12-11-2014, 06:41 AM
Girls don't sign up to cam sites to make $20 per hour. Just like people don't move to Hollywood to just be extras on movie sets. No they all want the fame & the big bucks. Fully knowing the odds are against them, they still go for it.
As cam girls we sign up to make the big bucks. There is NO cam company who pays girls an hourly rate to keep them on cam. Some start ups may do it at first, but not for long. Cause if camming & getting men were so easy then all of them would pay us an hourly rate & keep the big money for themselves.
Granted $20 per hour is great pay. But not when it comes with the sheer amount of bullshit, demanding assholes, constant verbal abuse & name calling.
You are trying to control OUR market with a $3 per minute price tag. You are trying to price fix us. Yet, you have not convinced one single gal on here to agree with you. Your puny attempts are amusing.
It is the best example of a free market. https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Free_market.html Did you sleep through those classes in college?
Your ability to not understand basic business principles speaks of a worker bee mentality.
Sam
Sam38g
12-11-2014, 06:48 AM
Bolded by me. Dude...$20. per hour? For sex work? That is insulting. Maybe you think that is a good rate for a cam performer who puts literally everything on the line, but most would not.
Actually, he assumed by his earlier calculations that only one guy takes you private at a time. The fact that more than one guy can be in private with a girl was not a possibility to him. Which means, those $3 girls he sees do NOT have more than one customer in private. Especially since he is in private with them for over 20 minutes at a time.
Proving they are NOT top earners. Cause I never have had a private for that long and NOT have more than one person in there coming for a 5 to 10 minutes and then another one would pop in and stay too. He didn't know that was even possible. That this is how top girls bank.
Sam
Issabelle
12-11-2014, 07:07 AM
Lemme see here, overhead:
Computer: I started on an iMac with a Duo processor that had shit feed and made maybe $15 per hour. I switched to a cheapo laptop ($500) that had a faster processor, but the poor thing sat at a CPU of nearly 100% while I streamed, so it was crashing and made it all of four months. Last month, I put in the cash to have a tower built that was cam-girl specific. $1300, and that wasn't with the fastest processor out there, as that would have approached $1500-1600, taxes and work included. Monitor, keyboard, mouse (I burn through the later quickly), cords...All in total I put about $1600 into my own desktop. I suspect that it will last me 1-2 years, maximum.
Webcam: I bought a brand new Logitech in July for about $100. It wasn't the highest quality cam available, but a serious upgrade from my crappy built-in option. That webcam, now six months old, is nearly shot and constantly dropping my indy show feeds by freezing. No bodily fluids have come near it, by the way. So, two webcams per year at the current cost of the newest model (a bit cheaper, because yay for holidays) will run me about $200.
Internet: I started on a $55 per month package (cheapest in town). It was decent, but the lag and decrease in feed is noticeable. I'll be upgrading to the step up by New Year's. That will run me $100-150 per month, depending on my options at the time.
Electric/lights/heat: My utility bill jumped $100 per month when I started camming. Mind you, that's for the winter time, approximately 6 months here. But I did see a 30-40% increase in my bill, which averages $150 per month through the year for my entire house (personal and work). I'm home full time now (not working) so more electricity because my home is my office. I go through light bulbs (LED only, as these are the best for lighting) at a rate of about $100 per year.
Outfits, toys, props, make up, hair dye, etc: solidly $50+ per month, and that's low balling as I started with a collection of my personal stuff. Number of pairs of shoes I've killed, underwear that fell apart, toys that have disintegrated over time...Yeah. Oh, and did I mention props? Because some guys really love oil/lotion/'cum' in the form of yogurt all over me that has to be added in.
Sum annual total is: $800 (computer ($1600) life of 1-2 years), $200 (webcam, assuming two per year and no accidents), $660 - $1440 (internet, depending on price, per year), $1000 (additional electricity, heat, light bulbs, etc.), $600-1200 (toys, props, etc., again a range) = $3260 to $4640 per year. And I'm an easy going cam girl in terms of what I pay out, but that's still between $271 and $386 more per month than a non-model pays. So, with my earnings plan, that's a solid 2-5 days of work each month where my earnings go straight to camming overhead.
Oh, and taxes are 25-35% because we're self-employed. So if I make $100 per hour, I actually keep $65 - $75. I'm lucky--my taxes are only 25%. When I say I need $3000 per month, I keep $2250 of that. Pretty modest income, all things concerned... And that's just monthly expenses like rent, insurance, and so forth.
Now, figure that my life span in the industry might be another 10 to 15 years. I need to find other employment at 35-40 years of age with no resume outside of adult work. Pretty limited job options, huh? Better start saving for retirement! Oh, wait, look, that means I should be making $6000+ per month instead, so I can put it into a stock/retirement account such that I can live off of it for 40-60 more years!
So, now assume that I worked a 35% pay out site for that $6000 per month at, oh, $25-50 per hour my cut, but before taxes, (which is reasonable income for many, many girls). That's 120 to 240 hours per month. Doesn't the average person work 40 hours per week or about 160 hours per month? Yup, that sounds about right. And, I don't know about you, but an all day fuck fest is pretty exhausting, so I might have 4-6 hours in me each day, 8 if I push it. If I work every single day of a 30-day month, I'd do 4 to 8 hours daily. If I wanted a few days off (say, maybe, 5 days each month), that's 4.8 to 9.6 hours of work per day.
In Summary: Yes, we're unreasonably greedy bitches. Most definitely. Why in god's name would we want to charge more?
Nikki_Fox
12-11-2014, 07:21 AM
We're not evil - we are all suffering from GPS - Golden Pussy Syndrome :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Men like YOU ruined the escort industry with their brain washing review boards - girls who dont know any better fuck entitled men like you for 200.00 - well this is our review board to keep ladies from drinking the kool-aid from men like you
Trying to make this guy understand is a waste of time - to him we are just expendable bitches in a box on his screen - put your hand back on your dick and go away
Sam38g
12-11-2014, 07:56 AM
Love you Nikki, but still trying to close the deal on this guy.
Bb, cum take me private, spend that extra money. See why over 12,000 guys have rated me 5 stars. You will be coming back for more every day. :) Many guys after taking me private for the first time come back & do it a 2nd & 3rd time that day. Just can't get enough of me. :)
http://Samantha38g.cammodels.com
Cum be my new pay piggie.
Smooches,
Sam
Nikki_Fox
12-11-2014, 08:15 AM
lol - if anyone can get him it is you :queen:
I want to be your pay piggie :heartbeat:
SweetJulia
12-11-2014, 09:00 AM
We're not evil - we are all suffering from GPS - Golden Pussy Syndrome :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Men like YOU ruined the escort industry with their brain washing review boards - girls who dont know any better fuck entitled men like you for 200.00 - well this is our review board to keep ladies from drinking the kool-aid from men like you
Trying to make this guy understand is a waste of time - to him we are just expendable bitches in a box on his screen - put your hand back on your dick and go away
:drink: Exactly.
audritwo
12-11-2014, 10:28 AM
Well, I've just been inspired to raise my rates up a dollar...
Not everyone is gonna want to pay $6/min or more, and it's fine. You can spend your money on whatever you want. But I DO have people who will pay to spend time with their goddess. Go find a lady in your budget and jerk off to them. I prefer the high rollers anyways.
Jinja
12-11-2014, 10:38 AM
@OP, what exactly is your goal with this thread?
Me thinks someone is looking for free attention from cam girls, since he apparently can't actually afford them.
CurvyWinona
12-11-2014, 10:41 AM
Well, I've just been inspired to raise my rates up a dollar...
Not everyone is gonna want to pay $6/min or more, and it's fine. You can spend your money on whatever you want. But I DO have people who will pay to spend time with their goddess. Go find a lady in your budget and jerk off to them. I prefer the high rollers anyways.
YES THIS! After reading this thread, it got me upped by $1, back to my old rate. I am gonna fight the slowness and to make the money. haha.
This dude does not realize that we DO have slow days, meaning sometimes $50 or even zero, and it hurts us financially sometimes. We have to charge more to cover the days that we did not earn enough.
euaici
12-11-2014, 10:56 AM
YES THIS! This dude does not realize that we DO have slow days, meaning sometimes $50 or even zero, and it hurts us financially sometimes. We have to charge more to cover the days that we did not earn enough.
This dude does not want to realize that...because if he would, he would have to admit what he wants is bad...and his dick...errr...brain cannot accept it. Plus, it is clear from the way he considers 20 dollars an hour a big amount, that he actually makes something about half that, and of course it is annoying as fuck that a pussy just sitting there makes more, so....I found the perfect image to describe it:
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David, if you don't understand it, I am sure Sam will love to explain it to you in a private chat. It really is worth to save a whole week's paycheck and go see her.
DavidAshton
12-11-2014, 11:02 AM
Bolded by me. Dude...$20. per hour? For sex work? That is insulting. Maybe you think that is a good rate for a cam performer who puts literally everything on the line, but most would not.
Red, you did not read the previous posts that I was replying to. Sam stated that the girls who charge $3 per minute maybe make $20 a day if an hour. I stated the ones I know of earn that EASILY with just MY time alone spent in one session and that's not counting whom else is popping in paying for a session at the same time. Go back and read more carefully next time before you reply.
If Sam would read my posts too, she would know I already stated I am fully aware of other customers being in the same private session at a time. And Sam, just because YOU have never had a private session for over 20 mins (as you stated) does NOT mean it doesn't happen. I've had private sessions where I have spent close to an hour many times so don't act like just because you don't it never happens.
, thank you for your reply and the detail on the amounts. Several things, you did not state anything about those items being tax deductible. If they are for your business, you can use them as deductions on your taxes and therefore that saves you some over head costs right there. Also, are you saying you only make $135-193 per day camming (for 2 days)? If that's a 6 hour shift for example, that would mean you're making $22-32 per hour. If it takes you five days to earn what you stated, that is even way less. Red above just said $20 an hour is insulting for this work. Curious but what do charge per minute and how long are your shifts each day when you work? Either way, any person running their own business has over head costs. You girls make it sound like you're the only ones with these extremely high costs when even $4000 per year is very, very low in any business.
, you state some days you maybe make $50 or even zero. Curious but what are your rates per minute? I thought most here said if you raised your rates you would be getting more privates, more customers, etc.
It's quite funny how so many of you said that higher rates increases your earnings and yet now some of you are saying you only make so much per day if nothing at all. One minute you're claiming how much more people the higher rates attract and the next you're saying how slow it is and how little you earn that you have to raise your rates to keep up.
DavidAshton
12-11-2014, 11:08 AM
Sam, thanks for the offer to visit you on cam but I am afraid I am going to decline. Without being rude, you're just not what I would seek out.
Sam38g
12-11-2014, 11:10 AM
BB, I never complain about slow or down times.
I always make money.
No need to justify my cost of doing biz to you, cause I'm worth it. http://Samantha38g.cammodels.com Hell, mine is way lower than what these girls are writing about. I don't pay for toys, outfits & such my fans do.
hell, I didn't have to cam at all yesterday. Some guy went & bought over 25 clips off of my c4s store yesterday. I made goal without doing a single thing.
Come bb, be my pay piggie.
audritwo
12-11-2014, 11:16 AM
It's quite funny how so many of you said that higher rates increases your earnings and yet now some of you are saying you only make so much per day if nothing at all. One minute you're claiming how much more people the higher rates attract and the next you're saying how slow it is and how little you earn that you have to raise your rates to keep up.
You know this is a sexwork support forum? Can't really talk about our shitty day at the office with neighbors, friends, or family...
Now David, if you are trying to help us...
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We are set in our ways. Not everyone is gonna give you details on their earnings, because that is private, and it is none of your business.
unbeleavable
12-11-2014, 11:22 AM
David this isn't the place to tell members how to do their business. Fair warning.
Jinja
12-11-2014, 11:26 AM
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Sam38g
12-11-2014, 11:27 AM
Sam, thanks for the offer to visit you on cam but I am afraid I am going to decline. Without being rude, you're just not what I would seek out.
No offense taken. But remember, I've turned thousands upon thousands of men into chubby lovers
CurvyWinona
12-11-2014, 11:32 AM
David, I do not need to tell you my rate, because all the models have different rates! My rate is not based on other models' rates. Why worry so much about us raising the prices while there are plenty of models in your price range? I certainly do not want you in my private, even if you will buy an hour of private with me.
I have had guys take me to my exclusive, at $9.99, all the time - because they know I give a fucking good show when I give them my full attention.
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DavidAshton
12-11-2014, 11:51 AM
David this isn't the place to tell members how to do their business. Fair warning.
I'm not. The girls that have replied have answered my questions and just showed me how some of these cam girls are that charge higher and higher rates. Their choice but I wouldn't visit any of the girls that have replied here.
CurvyWinona
12-11-2014, 11:54 AM
Sorry, but you kinda were telling them how to do their business. You were stressing out on us that we should not charge too high, because it is too ridiculous for guys with so limited budget like you.
BTW..
you said
"I'm not telling anyone what their rates should be. You can charge whatever you like. But trying to tell other girls to raise their rates so that you can keep your rates high is just an obvious driving up the prices tactic. As I stated before, I can pay to see someone in person, in the flesh, for much less than what some of these girls charge. If one charges $10 per min, why in the world would I pay $600 for an hour of a girl on a screen when I can see someone right here in front of me for much less. There's more than plenty of women doing this too. I'm all for paying more when it's someone that is special but these women that want to charge that much just because other women are telling them to is a bit ridiculous especially when these women don't really do much other than just strip."
This bolded part told me you are just a cheapstake. It is an insult to the escorts too. Escorts put out more risk for your greedy ass.
DavidAshton
12-11-2014, 11:57 AM
Sorry, but you kinda were telling them how to do their business. You were stressing out on us that we should not charge too high, because it is too ridiculous for guys with so limited budget like you.
Sorry but I never told anyone here my budget other than I stated how I frequent girls and many times spend up to an hour with them in private sessions. You only assumed what my budget was...nice try.
CurvyWinona
12-11-2014, 12:01 PM
You clearly wanted girls to have cheaper rate, so I have a fucking right to assume you wanted a $3 and under shows.
AND
all this discussion is now not your questions, but more of your complaints.
aleciaxxx
12-11-2014, 12:03 PM
also keep in mind that each lady's rent/mortgage payments vary. some ladies live in places where cheap rent is 800.00/month and average is 1200. Others live in cheaper areas where 500-600 per month rent is average and 800 is luxury, 1000 is all the bells and whistles
in Nevada I think you'd be hard pressed to find a place that rents for less than 800/month. In ohio you can find places rarely at 450/month average is around 500-650 per month
There are even some places where the average rent is 1000.00 per month. So you take the rent and add in utilities electric is an average of 50.00 per month in a small apartment with no camming (100-150.00 in an all electric apartment including heat and cooking) where there is no camming. Add in camming you have at least another 80-120.00 per month sometimes more depending on how long the lady stays online, then you have equipment costs a computer that is up to par and will handle the demands of an HD stream can cost quite a bit and I have found walmart computers are usually refurbished and can't handle the demands no matter what the processor. It's better to go to best buy which is more expensive so a good computer that can handle the demands is going to range from 1,000 to 2,000.00 some of us also have a gas bill because we have gas stoves or gas heat or both. An average winter gas bill where there is no camming can range from 60 to 100.00 add camming to that and we have to turn up the thermostat because we are either naked or nearly naked on cam so that raises the gas bill to easily 180 to 250.00 per month depending on how long we stay on line and have to keep the thermostat up, how many days out of the month we cam, ect. so it can even reach 300.00/month then add in the internet connection which can be done with a regular account (average is 50.00/month) but you get more disconnections and have to wait longer when something goes wrong and you need a repair so you are better off having a business account which is going to cost probably double what a regular account would cost. Then add in the web cam/camcorder those are for a good web cam 100.00 for a really good one 200 and for the best quality one it depends on where you go. add in the cost of lingerie which can range from a 20.00 bra/panty set to a 100.00 bra/panty set or a 24.95 teddy, a 35.95 negligee, or other more expensive lingerie I have seen some lingerie cost 60 to 100.00 we typically have to buy at least 7 complete lingerie outfits, add in toys which are typically 20.00 and up per toy on items like dongs, vibrators, we have to buy batteries for those vibrators, the hitachi wand is over 100.00 alone. We have to buy lingerie often because if you come into my room every day for 30 days and see the same 7 outfits over and over again you will be tired of them and want to see something new. Those of us who charge a little more do it for a reason. And as others have said there is nothing wrong with a little profit. I'm sure as hell not gonna go on cam and sit there like a bump on a log but I'm also not gonna work my ass off for chump change and sit there broke after expenses if I can even cover my expenses. That's why some of us charge a little more. If you don't like it then tough titty said the kitty.
Jinja
12-11-2014, 12:07 PM
Sorry but I never told anyone here my budget other than I stated how I frequent girls and many times spend up to an hour with them in private sessions. You only assumed what my budget was...nice try.
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SweetJulia
12-11-2014, 12:14 PM
Their choice but I wouldn't visit any of the girls that have replied here.
Thank you so much for saving us the trouble of blocking you. I realize you're trying to prove your point, but I'm going to continue to charge every cent I can.
DavidAshton
12-11-2014, 12:15 PM
You clearly wanted girls to have cheaper rate, so I have a fucking right to assume you wanted a $3 and under shows.
AND
all this discussion is now not your questions, but more of your complaints.
You do the math. Should I want to pay $30 for 10 minutes on a show or $100 for 10 minutes on the same show? Now if I find someone that is really good, I have no problem paying more which I do. The whole point of my starting this thread was the driving up of rates by this forum here. And I stated how I've seen more girls driving their rates up that are clearly not worth my time at those rates.
aleciaxxx, many ladies don't live alone either. They split their rent/mortgage/etc. Just sayin.
unbeleavable
12-11-2014, 12:21 PM
Banned
CurvyWinona
12-11-2014, 12:22 PM
You do the math. Should I want to pay $30 for 10 minutes on a show or $100 for 10 minutes on the same show? Now if I find someone that is really good, I have no problem paying more which I do. The whole point of my starting this thread was the driving up of rates by this forum here. And I stated how I've seen more girls driving their rates up that are clearly not worth my time at those rates.
Have no problem paying more? Why bitch about us driving up our rates?
How do you know they are not worth your time if you do not take the girls at higher rates to private? Tell us, please?
You know what is funny? There are certain custies actually request the models to raise the rates for them, so they can spoil the models or just why the fuck not..
SweetJulia
12-11-2014, 12:25 PM
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXu_NLFY9pY
Lulaa
12-11-2014, 12:26 PM
I charge what I want because that's what I think I'm worth. I charge 10 for exclusive and I don't do anal or toys. Guys pay. Why would I lower my price when I can make more working less. I don't want to benefit you, I want to benefit myself. You're not even a customer I want. I don't care that you wouldn't spend on me. I have plenty of guys that do. I just started cramming 3 months ago as well. I charge what I charge cause I'm beautiful, tall, skinny, big boobs, big butt, green eyes, long hair, Hispanic, and people ask me all the time if I am a model. I'm sure girls have the reason why they charge what they charge. You would not want someone with no experience in your job come and try to tell you how to do your job. You are obviously butthurt you can't afford certain girls, or otherwise you would not be here waisting your time trying to change our jobs. Do you not have anything better to do?
audritwo
12-11-2014, 12:40 PM
Let's do the math...
2+2= NOT YOUR FUCKING CONCERN.
Welp, David. It has been real. Thanks for giving us some free entertainment. We are all laughing at you.