View Full Version : The "Just stay the fuck on" thread.
ravenskyy
03-18-2022, 11:04 AM
My head hurts. I've been sick all week and today has been the worst of it. I'm trying to figure out how to do these hours. I lack patience, and I get bored very easily. I've got one of my earbuds in and I listen to youtube videos while I work, but it's not enough. It's been really dead this week and once it slows down, I'm ready to call it quits. All my sites are dry. I feel like I must have pissed someone off and this is my payback.
How do you ladies keep yourselves from looking bored? I have severe resting bitch face, so I need all the help I can get lol
Cutie101
03-18-2022, 11:16 AM
My head hurts. I've been sick all week and today has been the worst of it. I'm trying to figure out how to do these hours. I lack patience, and I get bored very easily. I've got one of my earbuds in and I listen to youtube videos while I work, but it's not enough. It's been really dead this week and once it slows down, I'm ready to call it quits. All my sites are dry. I feel like I must have pissed someone off and this is my payback.
How do you ladies keep yourselves from looking bored? I have severe resting bitch face, so I need all the help I can get lol
Same here, I make sure my face is visible on the screen so I can check myself every 1-2 minutes :))) I try to make it a priority. I see some girls having some gorgeous resting bitch faces, while my whole face looks like it's doing down into the ground if I am not focused for a second, lol.
Luci Fer
03-18-2022, 11:43 AM
My head hurts. I've been sick all week and today has been the worst of it. I'm trying to figure out how to do these hours. I lack patience, and I get bored very easily. I've got one of my earbuds in and I listen to youtube videos while I work, but it's not enough. It's been really dead this week and once it slows down, I'm ready to call it quits. All my sites are dry. I feel like I must have pissed someone off and this is my payback.
How do you ladies keep yourselves from looking bored? I have severe resting bitch face, so I need all the help I can get lol
Hey raven:)
I usually read books. I also check my face out on screen, but if it becomes too unbearable I make a short coffee break (and I try to set a timer because I tend to turn my short breaks into long breaks hahaha), and then I place my cam the way it shows anything but my face (like, my hip-waist area for example, or my cleavage).
LeilaB
03-18-2022, 03:40 PM
After so many slow/average weeks, I've just had my best week! Sadly I can't be online tomorrow to go for 1k, but now I take it. I'm so happy and satisfied right now, STFO worked again. I've never gotten close to $800 a week, and now I just smashed it, yayayy
56883
Vlodina
03-18-2022, 04:00 PM
After so many slow/average weeks, I've just had my best week! Sadly I can't be online tomorrow to go for 1k, but now I take it. I'm so happy and satisfied right now, STFO worked again. I've never gotten close to $800 a week, and now I just smashed it, yayayy
Woohoo well done! :D
How do you ladies keep yourselves from looking bored? I have severe resting bitch face, so I need all the help I can get lol
I read Facebook, check the news, message friends, reply to emails, talk to and laugh with imaginary people in my freechat, do paid surveys (pennies but it's something to do and eventually adds up), occasionally watch something on Netflix etc. My other tabs also give me inspiration for the names of my imaginary members. :D
Luci Fer
03-18-2022, 06:23 PM
talk to and laugh with imaginary people in my freechat,
omg I thought I was alone in this hahahaha!
whirlerz
03-18-2022, 08:17 PM
Ladies: watch the roasts on you tube, the Trump one is hilarious, the ones w/Jeff Ross are good.
Miss_ShaSha
03-18-2022, 11:09 PM
After so many slow/average weeks, I've just had my best week! Sadly I can't be online tomorrow to go for 1k, but now I take it. I'm so happy and satisfied right now, STFO worked again. I've never gotten close to $800 a week, and now I just smashed it, yayayy
56883
Ahhhhh yeah! Fuckin rocks!
Miss_ShaSha
03-19-2022, 06:04 AM
Just got on for the fuck of it cause I had slept a total of 12 hrs for Fri. I got on at 1:30am CST and took a break to meditate and eat. This shit just lights me up.
THANK YOU UNIVERSE!!!
56886
Aiming for 3 more hours and $300+
STFO!!!
UPDATE: 6h+ $326 :D
56887
Vlodina
03-19-2022, 05:07 PM
Today and yesterday have been pretty shit (although I also don't have much time to work on these days!). Only did 22 hours this week so that's disappointing as I *want* to be working at least 25-30 hours. $923 to show for my week and I'm out. Back tomorrow night!
Miss_ShaSha
03-20-2022, 05:55 AM
GTFO 2.5 hrs ago and I've STFO 2 hrs for $24. Yeah, this SM contest is starting terribly, but contests are usually like this. Nothing new really. Gonna do 2 more hours then break for meditation.
Thankfully last week I made damn near $1k sooooo, if this week is terrible it's all good. No big deal. I'll just do my hours.
UPDATE: Right after I posted that a level 3 reg came by, we did a 15 min excl, and now I'm at $87 haha. Cool.
STFO!
UPDATE: 4 hrs and pretty anticlimactic lololll. $119 oomph. Oh well, just gonna do these hours. All I really NEED to make is $205 this week. STFO as long as mood is good and be grateful for as much as I make. Gonna meditate.
Cutie101
03-20-2022, 09:26 AM
Been 1 day off.
Lately, I wasn't able to do my 10 hours goals. I'd make between 7,5 to 9 hours... this night shift is making me log in super late... oh oh oh. I will stay like this till end of month and then get back to morning shifts :)))
waogtrain
03-20-2022, 05:44 PM
I absolutely talk and interact with imaginary people on cam. Sometimes its the only way to get lurkers to talk/enter the room who are viewing from free chat. Aiming for 5 hours today. Currently at 2.5 hours and $204. 1/3 of that is from cammodels earnings. It's been dead since 8 pm est, start of new contest day so I'm going to try to stick it out despite no one talking for the past hour.
Edit: almost 4 hours: $267, might only make it another 40 minutes since I want to get up in time for my jiu jitsu class tomorrow morning
pippapippa
03-20-2022, 06:12 PM
Have tried to stay the fuck on today. Had four hours of slow but I guess could be worse traffic. Haven’t had a single show in the last 90 mins. My place in the contest (I’m like 600, I don’t really compete in these since I don’t work enough hours), has barely moved so I guess no one else is making money either right now. Going to try to give it another 45 mins and then I’ve got time to stay the fuck on tomorrow morning and early afternoon.
~Carmen~
03-21-2022, 03:12 AM
I need to Stay The Fuck Off for a few days. I can't remember the last time I had two days off in a row. It's the old thinking that more hours = more money. That's not happening. All it does is burn you out.
waogtrain
03-21-2022, 01:48 PM
Ended yesterday with $272. Shooting for 5 hours again today, hoping to reach $500. Not placing in the contest yet, mostly just trying to ignore it and log hours. I've been slyly converting members with my cammodels link so that income doesn't count. Just found out my rent will be increasing by $230 a month starting in June. Don't have the money up front for security deposit, 1st, last month's rent, application fees, pet fees, moving truck, etc. to look for another place so I'm pretty much stuck here for another year and just have to make it work. Now I'm motivated to increase my income so my cat and I aren't living in my car.
Edit: 2.5 hours, $130. Trying to make 5 hours today since I'm not planning to go to the gym tomorrow morning.
minibagel
03-21-2022, 02:44 PM
still recuperating from my 4 hour mfc true private saturday night. as an introvert i really surprised myself with how chatty & sociable i can be, 4 hours of nonstop talking is kinda crazy. so mentally drained still.
about to head into a video call here shortly and this guy is kind of a weird one. he's vanilla not sub, and one time i almost made him cry on cam just cuz i told him NO i don’t live in his city. his eyes got all glassy and his lip started to tremble and he had to cut the call early saying he was very emotional. it turned me off for the entire rest of the night i was 1000% DONE with camming that night lol. even the last time we did a call he got that sad look in his eyes again but no lip tremble. i swear if he does it again i will have to be very firm with him, which i already have expressed i only exist in pixels. some guys are hopeless. :/
edit: thank god it's over. short n sweet, but worth it cuz i charged him booking fee + $20/min and 80% cut. when he told me he thinks about me all the time with his sad puppy dog eyes i was feeling just soooo uncomfy. all over, bag secured ^-^
Genoveve
03-21-2022, 03:37 PM
still recuperating from my 4 hour mfc true private saturday night. as an introvert i really surprised myself with how chatty & sociable i can be, 4 hours of nonstop talking is kinda crazy. so mentally drained still.
I have done many 3-4 hour shows, and done them after having been on cam for at least a couple hours beforehand too. My voice will literally be raspy from all the talking and my jaw will ache from all the fake laughing and smiling. Pimpin ain't easy.
freyasnecklace
03-21-2022, 04:50 PM
I’m still living that stfo life. It was hard over my kids’ spring break, but I’ve been back at it. Luckily, I’ve been making my new high goal in 3-6 hours. I’ll sacrifice to the cam goddesses to have this luck until my husband starts his new career.
pippapippa
03-21-2022, 06:18 PM
My partner needed my help today so I haven’t cammed as long as I intended, but I made my goal in two hours and still have another hour to be on. I’m crediting this to staying on regularly because my high tipper was a guy who’d tipped me $3 on a slow day last week but came back to find me.
Cutie101
03-21-2022, 07:32 PM
Back to the morning shifts. Altough I had a great time earnings wise, it was because of same regs that come on day shifts too... other than that, complete deadness. I rather wake up at 3 AM and sleep the nights. And I wasn't doing my hours either, if I don't go on cam right after waking up, I end up procrastinating.
Luci Fer
03-22-2022, 06:46 AM
if I don't go on cam right after waking up, I end up procrastinating.
lol, the same. I know some girls wake up and can do a bunch of things then hop on cam and hustle, and it's just like a miracle for me;D
Vlodina
03-22-2022, 07:12 AM
Streamate is utterly dead for me today. Plus I lost time at the start as my internet was coming and going (not just me, seems there's been issues with my provider today!). Was hoping for lots of hours today but it will probably be more like 4, 6 if I'm lucky.
freyasnecklace
03-22-2022, 07:43 AM
It’s ded for me on every site today. I got on early too. Booooooooooooo
waogtrain
03-22-2022, 08:57 AM
Ended yesterday with $254 in 4 fours, at $526 for the week so far. On for a couple hours now and then at least another couple of hours this evening after a nap.
Edit: on for 20 minutes and already blocked 2 people after they took me exclusive cause they were too annoying to deal with. Not all money is good money
roseforarose
03-22-2022, 11:26 AM
gunna stfo for 4 hours, just about 1 hour down so far. It's DEAD
- made it to 3.5 hours (took a break in the middle), it was alright overall but didn't hit high goal. I'm SO tired which is why I left early. Hopefully tomorrow I'll hit high goal
ravenskyy
03-23-2022, 12:57 PM
Where tf is the paying traffic??? I need answers lol
I should have worked last night instead of having sex...
Genoveve
03-23-2022, 01:17 PM
4 hours today no matter what. I am determined to hit 20 hours this week.
ETA 2.5 hours down and still going strong.
ETA I did it. And I am coming back for a reg tonight so that should help me out because to hit 20 hours I have to do three 4 hour shifts and one 4.5 hour shift so today will end up being the 4.5 one.
Genoveve
03-23-2022, 10:39 PM
^^I did come back and ended up streaming for another 45 minutes because of the reg, so today I hit a total of 4 hours and 45 minutes which led to today being my first $600+ day in I don't even know how long. I feel like a few months ago I hit my first $500+ one in a long time. So now I have to do two more 4 hour shifts and one 3 hour 45 minute shift.
Miss_ShaSha
03-24-2022, 12:40 AM
^^I did come back and ended up streaming for another 45 minutes because of the reg, so today I hit a total of 4 hours and 45 minutes which led to today being my first $600+ day in I don't even know how long. I feel like a few months ago I hit my first $500+ one in a long time. So now I have to do two more 4 hour shifts and one 3 hour 45 minute shift.
yessssss!!!
roseforarose
03-24-2022, 12:47 PM
4 hours goal again today, I've already started but it's dead silent (with a ton of potentials) so I reckon I'll log off and start again in a few hours.
1hr down and at $15. I've realised my new rate seems to work well with the Americans but British people think it's 'too high' lol. Hopefully it'll pick up when more Americans are on later
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finished the day and it went really well! SM was very slow after 2 hours (totalled $20 on there today) so I switched to a token site for the last 2 and hit the jackpot! Finished my weekly goal 6 hours earlier than expected
Genoveve
03-24-2022, 03:21 PM
3-4 hours today, would like to do 4 but not really in the mood and willing to do 5 instead tomorrow to make up for it since my almost 5 hours yesterday was easy. I'm an hour and 11 minutes in, even though traffic is pretty low I somehow had a good first hour.
4 hours goal again today, I've already started but it's dead silent (with a ton of potentials) so I reckon I'll log off and start again in a few hours.
1hr down and at $15. I've realised my new rate seems to work well with the Americans but British people think it's 'too high' lol. Hopefully it'll pick up when more Americans are on later
i would swift flag to see if work better for me Us vs UK...bc of that and the meeting requests. i should try!!
Genoveve
03-24-2022, 04:14 PM
3-4 hours today, would like to do 4 but not really in the mood and willing to do 5 instead tomorrow to make up for it since my almost 5 hours yesterday was easy. I'm an hour and 11 minutes in, even though traffic is pretty low I somehow had a good first hour.
I jixed myself, my second hour has been shit. Unless it magically picks up I'm only doing 3 hours today.
ETA it did pick up some so I did decent for 3 hours, going to aim for 6 hour tomorrow so I only have to do under 3 on Saturday.
waogtrain
03-24-2022, 08:16 PM
I'm at $1012 and 13 hours for the week so far. I've been dealing with some housing insecurity stress this week and coordinating with my divorced parents to look at places for me while I'm living out of state. Seems like they really want me to move back, can't help me financially but can tour places for me to make sure I'm not getting scammed out of security deposit. Might end up staying where I am, but have at least a few weeks to research and decide what I want to do. My parents both know what I do and are supportive, but tell potential landlords that I'm a "marketing coordinator at a tech company". The start to my week was good but yesterday and tonight have been abysmal. Giving it at least another hour before calling it quits to try again tomorrow.
Dreamqueen
03-24-2022, 10:34 PM
I'm at $1012 and 13 hours for the week so far. I've been dealing with some housing insecurity stress this week and coordinating with my divorced parents to look at places for me while I'm living out of state. Seems like they really want me to move back, can't help me financially but can tour places for me to make sure I'm not getting scammed out of security deposit. Might end up staying where I am, but have at least a few weeks to research and decide what I want to do. My parents both know what I do and are supportive, but tell potential landlords that I'm a "marketing coordinator at a tech company". The start to my week was good but yesterday and tonight have been abysmal. Giving it at least another hour before calling it quits to try again tomorrow.
It helps that your parents are doing that for you. I love the support.
What landlord wouldn't believe the parents? Sounds like you'll get accepted to the place that's right for you.
I wish my parents were alive to do this for me.
My mother had the gift of gab, and could sell ice to Eskimos. Lol
Vlodina
03-25-2022, 04:32 AM
It may come as no surprise that this week is my worse earning week of the month on SM. Damn contests... 5 more hours of this bullshit for me over tonight and tomorrow lol
SamanthaSugar
03-25-2022, 02:29 PM
Haven’t been on all week, so all jazzed and dolled up to GTFO, but my fn computer has other planes for me and decides to update itself with the longest update known to man! Hurry up you little shit before my caffeine buzz wears off!
whirlerz
03-25-2022, 02:47 PM
It may come as no surprise that this week is my worse earning week of the month on SM. Damn contests... 5 more hours of this bullshit for me over tonight and tomorrow lol
Right? ^
& these idiots are annoying AF too!
Genoveve
03-25-2022, 04:11 PM
Haven’t been on all week, so all jazzed and dolled up to GTFO, but my fn computer has other planes for me and decides to update itself with the longest update known to man! Hurry up you little shit before my caffeine buzz wears off!
I HATE when that happens.
I'm almost 90 minutes into my 6 hour shift. My first hour was decent and I'm seeing a reg tonight so even if the rest of my time ends up being dead AF I know I'll still do okay. I'm annoyed though because I had a guy in exclu who was obviously tweaking balls and he just wanted me to sit there so he could tell me stories....and then he had to go and mention that he was partying and leaned over to do it so I had to block him. Goodbye easiest money. :(
waogtrain
03-25-2022, 06:02 PM
Last night was kind of a bust for me but I'm on for at least a few hours tonight. This morning I was presented with a housing opportunity that feels too good to turn down. A man is building a house for me to live in rent free on a half acre where I could grow and sell vegetables?!!!! While still camming to supplement my income?!! Trying not to get too excited until I have a signed contract it would literally be a dream come true. It would be in the middle of nowhere but I think its time to realize my hermit farmer dreams.
Please light a candle/say a prayer for me.
Genoveve
03-25-2022, 09:33 PM
I HATE when that happens.
I'm almost 90 minutes into my 6 hour shift. My first hour was decent and I'm seeing a reg tonight so even if the rest of my time ends up being dead AF I know I'll still do okay. I'm annoyed though because I had a guy in exclu who was obviously tweaking balls and he just wanted me to sit there so he could tell me stories....and then he had to go and mention that he was partying and leaned over to do it so I had to block him. Goodbye easiest money. :(
ETA it's not going good. It was so dead I had to log off like 15 min shy of the 3 hour mark. I'm going to try to do 2 hours and 15 minutes later when I log on to see my reg so I can hit a minimum goal of 5 hours, but if it's this dead I may not bother. <---Omg I opened my laptop up like 3 hours after editing this in and realized I never actually hit post. Well I am back on now at night but so far it's just as dead as it was when I left. I'm hoping I see some nighttime regs since I never stream at this time anymore.
Genoveve
03-26-2022, 01:03 AM
^^^Wow I just realized I didn't even edit that into my original post. Well somehow even though my regular actually went missing I still managed to hit 6 hours(well 5 hours and 53 min, I hit a wall). It was so dead when I first logged on that I was like 'if I don't get a pvt or exclu in ten minutes I am out,' but then I was like 'at least get to 15 minutes so I can say I hit 3 hours' and fortunately I got a little rush at like minute 10 and was then able to stay on. At the 4 hour mark I had made $424 which was shocking because it was so dead before that that I wasn't even sure if I was going to be able to hit $300 at 4 hours. I am at $527 for the 6 hours, I'm bummed I didn't beat my shorter $642 shift but as dead as it was earlier I'm surprised I even made that much. Now tomorrow I only have to do 2 hours and 48 minutes to hit 20 hours for the week, and since I'm not doing it for the contest I don't have to make sure I get it done super early. :party: And thank god because I'm out of coffee.
Genoveve
03-26-2022, 05:35 PM
Now tomorrow I only have to do 2 hours and 48 minutes to hit 20 hours for the week,
I DID IT plus ten minutes. Thank you atomoxetine. It was dead when I first logged on and I didn't get my first show till the 18 minute mark but I ended up with $328 for the 3 hours and I placed 225 which is higher than I was expecting for not trying. My last exclusive ended right as it switched to the next week so that didn't count, but even if it did I doubt it would have gotten me into the 101-200 category. Next week I aim for 20 hours again.
Genoveve
03-27-2022, 10:22 AM
Just curious. What do you do during long shifts to amuse yourself?
Do you keep other tabs open? Or?
I was keeping tabs open, but Streamate told me that it will mess with my stream.
How did streamate tell you? If your computer can’t handle it it will mess with your stream, if your computer can handle it it won’t. I keep 8000 other tabs open lol. My longest shifts are 6 hours though and that happens once every few months max, and they’re usually broken up. Like that 6 hour day I just did I did 3 hours then 3 hours. The only times I’ve been able to do more than 4 hours in one shot it was because it was just really busy the entire time and the time flew by. In fact on that last 6 hour day I did I was only planning on doing 1-2 more hours when I logged back on at night but it ended up being really busy so I unintentionally ended up doing 3.
In my other tabs though I like trivia quizzes and crossword puzzles, stuff that 1.)doesn’t require a ton of focus and 2.) I can leave and go back to as many times as I need since because I’m streaming I get interrupted so much. Oh and STRIPPERWEB. My favorite camming past time.
naughtybabe1
03-27-2022, 02:19 PM
I LOVVEEE STRIPPERWEB! I can deep dive down the rabbit hole for hours on threads ...new and old....it's helped me a lot.
Dreamqueen
03-27-2022, 09:22 PM
How did streamate tell you? If your computer can’t handle it it will mess with your stream, if your computer can handle it it won’t. I keep 8000 other tabs open lol. My longest shifts are 6 hours though and that happens once every few months max, and they’re usually broken up. Like that 6 hour day I just did I did 3 hours then 3 hours. The only times I’ve been able to do more than 4 hours in one shot it was because it was just really busy the entire time and the time flew by. In fact on that last 6 hour day I did I was only planning on doing 1-2 more hours when I logged back on at night but it ended up being really busy so I unintentionally ended up doing 3.
In my other tabs though I like trivia quizzes and crossword puzzles, stuff that 1.)doesn’t require a ton of focus and 2.) I can leave and go back to as many times as I need since because I’m streaming I get interrupted so much. Oh and STRIPPERWEB. My favorite camming past time.
I had Streamate's tech dept do a review of my stream.
I'm glad you're able to keep so many tabs open.
My computer is older, so I'm guessing that's why it messes with my stream, and it will actually shut off my computer.
Not sure why it's just Streamate that does causes this.
Anyway, I've been keeping my phone on the side of my cam in it's holder, so that's helping me when I'm bored.
kamiliam
03-28-2022, 01:27 AM
Worked 35 hours last week. Per usual, I could have worked just a little more each day and I would have been in a better spot contest wise, money wise I am happy. I changed my schedule up so I wouldn’t be counting on Friday/Saturday as a contest day. Working that last day causes me too much stress and would end up ruining my first days of the new week as a result. Still irritating to watch rank drop and know that it would require so many hours to do anything about it.
I obviously need to tweak my strategy, I still hardly worked Saturday night. Kept myself busy all day waiting out the contest and was tired way earlier then normal as a result. So today I made myself work. Started early (for me before 1pm) and even stayed on 2.5 in one go(my max) to start. This Sunday wrapped up at 7 busy hours. Hoping for at least 6 ideally 8 hours for tomorrow.
Genoveve
03-28-2022, 04:06 PM
Worked 35 hours last week. Per usual, I could have worked just a little more each day and I would have been in a better spot contest wise, money wise I am happy. I changed my schedule up so I wouldn’t be counting on Friday/Saturday as a contest day. Working that last day causes me too much stress and would end up ruining my first days of the new week as a result. Still irritating to watch rank drop and know that it would require so many hours to do anything about it.
I obviously need to tweak my strategy, I still hardly worked Saturday night. Kept myself busy all day waiting out the contest and was tired way earlier then normal as a result. So today I made myself work. Started early (for me before 1pm) and even stayed on 2.5 in one go(my max) to start. This Sunday wrapped up at 7 busy hours. Hoping for at least 6 ideally 8 hours for tomorrow.
Are you utilizing the cut off times? Like for me in my timezone on SM the day ends at 5pm, so contest earnings and hours would have to be made/done by 5pm on Saturday. Money made on Saturday after 5pm would count for the next week, so I always figured that if I wanted to participate in one of these '3 best days' contests that what I would do is for instance on Saturday after 5pm at the start of the week do like 4 hours. Then the next day, Sunday, do 4 hours before 5pm. So that would technically be an 8 hour day of earnings. Then on Monday 4 hours after 5pm, on Tuesday 4 hours before 5pm, another '8 hour day.' And do it again, using the timezone to turn 6 days' of earnings into 3. I assume this is what most contestants do. Like my last day of the contest was a $721 day when I never had a $721 day. It was just my $328 day with part of my $527 day.
kamiliam
03-28-2022, 04:30 PM
Are you utilizing the cut off times? Like for me in my timezone on SM the day ends at 5pm, so contest earnings and hours would have to be made/done by 5pm on Saturday. Money made on Saturday after 5pm would count for the next week, so I always figured that if I wanted to participate in one of these '3 best days' contests that what I would do is for instance on Saturday after 5pm at the start of the week do like 4 hours. Then the next day, Sunday, do 4 hours before 5pm. So that would technically be an 8 hour day of earnings. Then on Monday 4 hours after 5pm, on Tuesday 4 hours before 5pm, another '8 hour day.' And do it again, using the timezone to turn 6 days' of earnings into 3. I assume this is what most contestants do. Like my last day of the contest was a $721 day when I never had a $721 day. It was just my $328 day with part of my $527 day.
yeah it’s usually my strategy. Being on the west coast has its advantages there. I’m just very reward driven and have a hard time staying long when I am not getting said rewards. I worked on average for the days that counted 9 ish hours. Some days were split up like we are talking, others were working that consistently. I just have to up that number, it is just a goal that I have been working on for comically long.
I always want the best result for the least amount of time. I just always just miss the next up bracket, was 99 up till like the last hour or something this time.