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Glamourmilf
01-16-2015, 07:34 AM
She only has CA. blocked, but on the cammodels link u can still see her. It's wild how random guys just walk up to her car and whip out there dick and start jerking off!
She gets away with it, because she is making sm a shitload of money. Just another case of favoritism.
Girls on here have reported her, but I even told them it would be a waste of time..and ..it was.
Money talks
She also sells her panties, a raffle to get to fuck her, etc.
Good for her! I wish I had the guts, but... I don't even like guys looking at me when I go out, never mind opening my car door and let them fuck me!

TheBrownFox
01-16-2015, 07:39 AM
So my husband linked me this, and I thought I would share this with the forum. A cam girl decides to tease a pizza delivery guy, and then the reality of bringing a non-consenting stranger into your show sets in.

http://efukt.com/21208_Gimmie_Yo_Numba.html (NSFW - in case anyone is at their vanilla job)

While I know most girls on here wouldn't bother crossing this line, I wanted to post it here as a reference for any new girls who think this might be a good way to make a quick buck. Thank god nothing serious happens to her on cam, but he now knows where she lives, has her phone number, and knows she lives alone based on what she said. It is not worth the potential risk.
I agree! Every time I've heard about cam girls doing this, I thought to myself "WHYYYYY???" There are other ways to keep your chat room fun and interesting without resorting to risky shit like that. The guys on MFC (or any other site) tuning in to those shows probably couldn't care less about the safety of that model...while they shout out things like "You should suck his dick!"

TheBrownFox
01-16-2015, 07:54 AM
Cutie101, you're backpeddling. You can't come on here and say shit like that, and then when we get pissed, you say "Oh, I wasn't serious! See? I put 'lol' at the end." SMH. Too late. You already said it...

SweetJulia
01-16-2015, 07:56 AM
Not to thread jack, but when I got raped I was wearing jeans and a winter coat. Clothes don't mean shit, if people say it's can't control themselves around scantily clad women, they deserve to be castrated with a rusty axe. Slowly.

MissAdriana
01-16-2015, 09:13 AM
To add to what Julia said I was fully clothed with jeans and long sleeved baggy shirt when my sexual assault took place. I think it's a power thing more than what a person actually looks like

I think this girl is freakin crazy. Let the guy in... and touch you, hug you, tell him you're alone and you live there not that you're just renting the place or your boyfriend is in the next room or anything just tells him the complete truth - wow so stupid! She said she wouldn't do it again-_- ... I hope she learned something but it doesn't seem like she did. Dumbest camgirl in history or what. Why the hell wasn't she more firm and didn't come up with some lies before hand WOW mind = blown

Sunnylexie
01-16-2015, 09:37 AM
Not to thread jack, but when I got raped I was wearing jeans and a winter coat. Clothes don't mean shit, if people say it's can't control themselves around scantily clad women, they deserve to be castrated with a rusty axe. Slowly.

Can't but agree with it. But unfortunately, controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone. By education, I also mean the societal standards the person was born and brought up into. The fact some think a person being naked or scantily dressed implies there's nothing wrong about having sex with them no matter what, doesn't make them terrible people. It just indicates how much the society is fucked up for misleading them about the way it's supposed to be. Probably right now some dudebro is lauging at the delivery guy calling him a loser for missing out on a chance to get some ass. When everyone else around you says that under certain circumstances rape is ok, there's no way for you to know it isn't - even if you are the victim.

Sunnylexie
01-16-2015, 09:47 AM
Clothes don't mean shit, if people say it's can't control themselves around scantily clad women, they deserve to be castrated with a rusty axe. Slowly.


Cutie101, you're backpeddling. You can't come on here and say shit like that, and then when we get pissed, you say "Oh, I wasn't serious! See? I put 'lol' at the end." SMH. Too late. You already said it...

Unfortunately, controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone. By education, I also mean the societal standards the person was born and brought up into. The fact some think a person being naked or scantily dressed implies there's nothing wrong about having sex with them no matter what, doesn't make them terrible people. It just indicates how much the society is fucked up for misleading them about the way it's supposed to be. Probably right now some dudebro is lauging at the delivery guy calling him a loser for missing out on a chance to get some ass. When everyone else around you says that under certain circumstances rape is ok, there's no way for you to know it isn't - even if you are the victim.

chickchick8182
01-16-2015, 10:31 AM
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this video was hard for me to watch. i was so creeped for her, the feeling of "i'll just hug this dude and maybe he'll go away" :/ ugh this was hard to watch.

Same here. I felt my skin crawl when he pulled back from that last hug. When she turned her back to him I about had a heart attack. Just such a dangerous position to put yourself in. I don't allow utility workers, maintenance or anyone like that in the house without my husband home or my big ass crazy dog by my side. No tip or amount of money is work compromising your safety like that. Just sad.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 10:44 AM
I skipped to the end of the thread so I am not sure if someone already mentioned this but video taping someone without their permission is VERY ILLEGAL in a court of law.

That guy could pretty much sue her if he wanted too.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 10:53 AM
I find the model herself a little creepy too. Just reverse the genders! If a guy had answered the door naked for a delivery GIRL, he would be considered the creep. Cops are called, lives are ruined, and he's on a sexual assault database forever. If I were a guy I would run the fucking other way because I'd think that girl was trying to ruin my life.

I don't blame him for showing interest, but no does mean no so he is not entirely without blame here. I'd feel the same way if a guy said no and a girl just. wouldn't. leave.

It's cute and funny in a porno setting, but realistically our society is not there. We're somewhere else where this whole situation is dangerous for all parties involved.

I feel bad and cringe for them both. I hope she's okay!

When I got to the end of the video and she said, "Oh that was/he was creepy." I thought to myself, "You without anyone's consent answered the door naked. No matter how young, hot and sexy you are.....that makes YOU the creepy one." >:(

RebeccaT
01-16-2015, 11:22 AM
Sometimes her camera appeared to be hidden under a towel and sometimes not. How was that possible? I'm Hoping it was a set up and she wasn't alone, otherwise holy crap, lucky escape!

Thespark88
01-16-2015, 11:24 AM
Unfortunately, controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone. By education, I also mean the societal standards the person was born and brought up into. The fact some think a person being naked or scantily dressed implies there's nothing wrong about having sex with them no matter what, doesn't make them terrible people. It just indicates how much the society is fucked up for misleading them about the way it's supposed to be. Probably right now some dudebro is lauging at the delivery guy calling him a loser for missing out on a chance to get some ass. When everyone else around you says that under certain circumstances rape is ok, there's no way for you to know it isn't - even if you are the victim.


It seems to me that you require some education of your own. Despite what any person is wearing, it doesnt give anyone the right to assault them. It is a simple concept, but unfortunately it isnt common sense as you are proving. Women do not get raped because of what they are or arent wearing, they are raped because the person is a rapist plain and simple. While I do agree that what she did wasnt the smartest or safest thing, your comments completely disgust me.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 11:34 AM
Sometimes her camera appeared to be hidden under a towel and sometimes not. How was that possible? I'm Hoping it was a set up and she wasn't alone, otherwise holy crap, lucky escape!

I could be completely wrong about this but I think it was one of those fabric hair ties. You know the ones I mean? It would have whole in the middle so the camera could still see but then look 'hidden' for lack of a better word? If not hidden at least less obvious?

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 11:40 AM
Unfortunately, controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone. By education, I also mean the societal standards the person was born and brought up into. The fact some think a person being naked or scantily dressed implies there's nothing wrong about having sex with them no matter what, doesn't make them terrible people. It just indicates how much the society is fucked up for misleading them about the way it's supposed to be. Probably right now some dudebro is lauging at the delivery guy calling him a loser for missing out on a chance to get some ass. When everyone else around you says that under certain circumstances rape is ok, there's no way for you to know it isn't - even if you are the victim.

You could say that about PRETTY much every crime that is committed but I don't exactly see muggers & thieves getting the same blank check for their behaviour.

"I grew up in a neighbourhood where stealing was acceptable so therefore no one can judge me for the choices I make in my life that come from my own free will."

Marina Starr
01-16-2015, 12:40 PM
I am so sick and tired of some of you defending rape or sexual assault inflicted on women. Please miss me with the bullshit! Why is it that whenever you see a woman being violated, questions as such 'what was she wearing?' or 'why was she there in the first place?' always come up? Instead of telling a woman how to dress how about we tell men not to rape and understand that when a woman tells you 'NO', that is a complete sentence. Stop violence against women!

I have been harassed and assaulted when I was fully dressed without an once of skin showing. My body is of my own and I'll dress how the fuck I wanna dress. No one has the right to violate it.
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Aniela
01-16-2015, 01:03 PM
Unfortunately, controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone. By education, I also mean the societal standards the person was born and brought up into. The fact some think a person being naked or scantily dressed implies there's nothing wrong about having sex with them no matter what, doesn't make them terrible people. It just indicates how much the society is fucked up for misleading them about the way it's supposed to be. Probably right now some dudebro is lauging at the delivery guy calling him a loser for missing out on a chance to get some ass. When everyone else around you says that under certain circumstances rape is ok, there's no way for you to know it isn't - even if you are the victim.

To every1 skewering Sunny for this comment ^^^^ first, let me say I agree w/ all of you that there is no excuse for rape. None. I've wished rape on rapists, I'll admit, & a genuine reason to fear being raped on the slags who file false rape reports to cover their own arses or to 'get even' -- but even then. That said, I didn't watch the original link, but from what I've read here, this sounds like a prime example of 'kicking the hornet's nest' & that girl is damn lucky she didn't get stung.

I do sm what agree w/ the bolded parts of Sunny's statement, bc the mentality of a culture is what shapes the individuals raised w/in that culture. It's the same reason sex workers are vilified by vanilla housewives, rather than their straying husbands who create the demand for the sex worker's services. Most women outside the industry are ingrained w/ sm degree of the 'Sex workers are all home-wrecking diseased hoes, regardless of what they do or why they do it' + 'boys will be boys so it's not entirely our husband's fault', & it's not until they are more deeply exposed to the inner workings of the sex industry that they get to see how untrue those 'gospel' statements really are. I think what Sunny was pointing out is that you can't *completely* fault a person for a belief when they have nvr been exposed to anything opposing that belief.

Do I defend rape if committed under sm premise of 'I didn't know that wasn't ok!'? Fk no. I still say, take em all out back & feed em a bullet, for the safety of their future victims. But I still think Sunny makes a valid point here.

Magical_Hoohah
01-16-2015, 01:21 PM
Unfortunately, controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone. By education, I also mean the societal standards the person was born and brought up into. The fact some think a person being naked or scantily dressed implies there's nothing wrong about having sex with them no matter what, doesn't make them terrible people. It just indicates how much the society is fucked up for misleading them about the way it's supposed to be. Probably right now some dudebro is lauging at the delivery guy calling him a loser for missing out on a chance to get some ass. When everyone else around you says that under certain circumstances rape is ok, there's no way for you to know it isn't - even if you are the victim.
At the end of the day, a rapist is absolutely the only one responsible for a rape, but you make an interesting point about society and social conditioning.

It seems like every girl that watched this video thought, "That chick is going to get raped!" But the guy wasn't wearing a t-shirt that said "Hi! I'm a rapist!" He didn't have tons of obvious prison tattoos, and none of us looked him up on the sex offenders registry. He seemed more or less like a normal guy. In fact, he tried to get her phone number and a couple hugs - he didn't outright demand sex or immediately start groping her - so his approach was inappropriate, but relatively tame (as compared to the expected behavior of, say, some entitled frat boy). Since we had no hard evidence that this guy is a rapist, why did all of us have to worry that she was going to get raped?

I think we all worried because we believe that in that scenario, a lot of guys could become rapists, whether they are inherently "rapey" or not. We know that a lot of guys have been led to believe that if a girl opens the door naked and lets you into her home, the appropriate response is to have sex with her. It's such a classic porn plot that it's become cliche. The sexual assault prevention lectures that guys get once a year in high school/college don't compare to the tons of porn and other social conditioning that tells them to fuck the welcoming naked girl. If society taught men that the appropriate response was "run away screaming if a girl opens the door naked," all of us would have watched the video worried that the dude would run away and she wouldn't get her pizza (which is probably what would have happened if the genders were reversed). Instead, we all thought that she might get raped because society has taught too many men that "naked girl opening the door" = "automatic yes to sex." It's an idea that even "normal" guys have, not just the evil rapist guys.

Plus, Lexie is right in that every last one of us probably knows of *at least* one guy who would watch the video and say, "What's wrong with that dude? If that were me, I totally would have fucked that chick!" I also bet that every one of those guys has at least one friend that would sit there with him and say, "Totally, bro!" And neither of them would think for one second about whether "that chick" would want to fuck either of them. These aren't guys that are compulsive or serial rapists, who thrive on the power aspects of rape. They're just under-educated dudes that haven't learned or internalized the fact that "scantily dressed or naked" =/= "consent". If they rape someone, that's still 100% their fault, BUT they have an appalling mindset toward women because SOCIETY FAILED.

It's a fucking shame that we live in a world where most women have the *rational* fear that being nude around ANY male stranger is likely to result in rape.

SarahTime
01-16-2015, 01:59 PM
There's a lady on SM that does this kind of stuff daily. She parks at the beach, and fucks strangers who walk by. Been doing it for years. She now cams from a 'glory hole place, and sucks off random dicks who come in. And for the highest tipper, she gives out the location of the place.
you probably would never even go into her room, cause she's over 40, and stays under the radar.
I even saw her point the cam at hot girls walking to the beach, and telling guys she would invite them in for the right tip.
She cams with another guy most of the time, but still... Takes balls.. or stupidity.. or both

I think I know who you're talking about and my impression is that it's all staged. Regardless of money being made, I don't think she would get away with it for that long. The few times I've seen her free chat it always had a staged feel to me.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 02:05 PM
To every1 skewering Sunny for this comment ^^^^ first, let me say I agree w/ all of you that there is no excuse for rape. None. I've wished rape on rapists, I'll admit, & a genuine reason to fear being raped on the slags who file false rape reports to cover their own arses or to 'get even' -- but even then. That said, I didn't watch the original link, but from what I've read here, this sounds like a prime example of 'kicking the hornet's nest' & that girl is damn lucky she didn't get stung.

I do sm what agree w/ the bolded parts of Sunny's statement, bc the mentality of a culture is what shapes the individuals raised w/in that culture. It's the same reason sex workers are vilified by vanilla housewives, rather than their straying husbands who create the demand for the sex worker's services. Most women outside the industry are ingrained w/ sm degree of the 'Sex workers are all home-wrecking diseased hoes, regardless of what they do or why they do it' + 'boys will be boys so it's not entirely our husband's fault', & it's not until they are more deeply exposed to the inner workings of the sex industry that they get to see how untrue those 'gospel' statements really are. I think what Sunny was pointing out is that you can't *completely* fault a person for a belief when they have nvr been exposed to anything opposing that belief.

Do I defend rape if committed under sm premise of 'I didn't know that wasn't ok!'? Fk no. I still say, take em all out back & feed em a bullet, for the safety of their future victims. But I still think Sunny makes a valid point here.

By your logic since we didn't choose the 'right decision' to 'keep ourselves safe' then that mean that each of us has 'kicked the hornets nest'? A lot of us do show off our naked bodies after all.

Why do we even complain about freeloaders and beggars 'if controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone'. Shouldn't we just forgive them all? They just can't help themselves. Aren't we now obligated to give them free stuff? I mean....what did we expect? Why do they need to pay us? We live in a society, in a culture, where men expect naked girls to give sex away for free and fuck them in real life. Right?

Does that mean we 'all deserve what we get' for choosing to be sex-workers, up and including to violence against us?

I am sorry.....if you commit a crime against another person that makes you a bad person. I don't care what 'the culture' says. Men know it is against the law to rape and that they will go to jail.

The sad part is that they also know the majority of women won't report rape because they are slut-shamed by society, just like you are doing right now.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 02:50 PM
At the end of the day, a rapist is absolutely the only one responsible for a rape, but you make an interesting point about society and social conditioning.

It seems like every girl that watched this video thought, "That chick is going to get raped!" But the guy wasn't wearing a t-shirt that said "Hi! I'm a rapist!" He didn't have tons of obvious prison tattoos, and none of us looked him up on the sex offenders registry. He seemed more or less like a normal guy. In fact, he tried to get her phone number and a couple hugs - he didn't outright demand sex or immediately start groping her - so his approach was inappropriate, but relatively tame (as compared to the expected behavior of, say, some entitled frat boy). Since we had no hard evidence that this guy is a rapist, why did all of us have to worry that she was going to get raped?

I think we all worried because we believe that in that scenario, a lot of guys could become rapists, whether they are inherently "rapey" or not. We know that a lot of guys have been led to believe that if a girl opens the door naked and lets you into her home, the appropriate response is to have sex with her. It's such a classic porn plot that it's become cliche. The sexual assault prevention lectures that guys get once a year in high school/college don't compare to the tons of porn and other social conditioning that tells them to fuck the welcoming naked girl. If society taught men that the appropriate response was "run away screaming if a girl opens the door naked," all of us would have watched the video worried that the dude would run away and she wouldn't get her pizza (which is probably what would have happened if the genders were reversed). Instead, we all thought that she might get raped because society has taught too many men that "naked girl opening the door" = "automatic yes to sex." It's an idea that even "normal" guys have, not just the evil rapist guys.

Plus, Lexie is right in that every last one of us probably knows of *at least* one guy who would watch the video and say, "What's wrong with that dude? If that were me, I totally would have fucked that chick!" I also bet that every one of those guys has at least one friend that would sit there with him and say, "Totally, bro!" And neither of them would think for one second about whether "that chick" would want to fuck either of them. These aren't guys that are compulsive or serial rapists, who thrive on the power aspects of rape. They're just under-educated dudes that haven't learned or internalized the fact that "scantily dressed or naked" =/= "consent". If they rape someone, that's still 100% their fault, BUT they have an appalling mindset toward women because SOCIETY FAILED.

It's a fucking shame that we live in a world where most women have the *rational* fear that being nude around ANY male stranger is likely to result in rape.

Yes, we do live in a rape culture but it isn't like every man doesn't know that rape is wrong. In this study men said they would sexually take advantage of a women but when asked about the word rape they changed their tune. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/a-third-of-male-university-students-say-they-would-rape-a-woman-if-there-no-were-no-consequences-9978052.html)

So, I am just not buying it.

Then where is all this 'fear' actually coming from?

Why 24 hour news, of course!

Can't let your children out to play to far, the boogyman will take them and rape them. Can't let your women wander to far, the boogyman will take them and rape them.

Of course, for men....all their fears get to be played out in the business section. ;)

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 03:08 PM
I'd also like to say that it is pretty damn sexist of someone to assume that men are 'so confused by the messages that they have been given by society therefore he has no free will of his own to know right from wrong and therefore can't be blamed for thinking it is okay'.

TV shows non-stop violence as well as sexist bullshit. So are men to be forgiven for being violent too? I mean, it is part of the culture. They play violent videos games all day. They aren't bad people they can't be blamed.

Men are not children.

If they can tell TV isn't real life then the sure the hell can tell that porn isn't real life either.

It is beyond insulting to treat them that way.

Men deserve way more respect then that.

Aniela
01-16-2015, 03:12 PM
By your logic since we didn't choose the 'right decision' to 'keep ourselves safe' then that mean that each of us has 'kicked the hornets nest'? A lot of us do show off our naked bodies after all.

Why do we even complain about freeloaders and beggars 'if controlling oneself under these circumstances requires a certain level of education and emotional maturity, which aren't something you can expect of everyone'. Shouldn't we just forgive them all? They just can't help themselves. Aren't we now obligated to give them free stuff? I mean....what did we expect? Why do they need to pay us? We live in a society, in a culture, where men expect naked girls to give sex away for free and fuck them in real life. Right?

Does that mean we 'all deserve what we get' for choosing to be sex-workers, up and including to violence against us?

I am sorry.....if you commit a crime against another person that makes you a bad person. I don't care what 'the culture' says. Men know it is against the law to rape and that they will go to jail.

The sad part is that they also know the majority of women won't report rape because the are slut-shamed by society, just like you are doing right now.

I'm the last one to slut-shame anyone. As I said, Idc who commits the rape or why, I say feed them each a bullet & let God sort it out. This includes the guy who raped me b4 I started dancing, & pretty much all of the guys I've seen assaulting myself or any other dancer in the 5+ yrs I danced.

Magical_Hoohah said it better than I could, that a good bit of the problem comes from social conditioning. Have you ever danced yourself, or does your experience in sex work not extend beyond the safety of your computer screen? Why exactly do you think so many dancers (myself included) complain not only abt the POS customers who assault us at work, but the mgmt & security in the clubs who let it happen or even outright encourage it? Why do we complain of extras girls in other clubs who essentially condition travelling customers to expect sex acts in every club they visit? There are plenty of threads on here discussing these problems but the common denominator is the environment(s) that permit/encourage this behaviour from customers, thus re-inforcing the idea that such behaviour is acceptable, rather than backing up the complaining dancer & kicking them out or calling the police.

Unless the video from the original link was staged, that girl was a fkng idiot. Do I think she deserves to get raped? NO. Would I want her to get raped to 'Teach her a lesson'? NO. The guy was still 100% responsible for his actions, & had he raped her, I would still file him under 'People who oughta be killed' along w/ any other rapist. But as Magical pointed out above, social conditioning has resulted (intentionally or not) in a sizeable population who wouldn't think twice abt doing so simply bc she answered the door naked, & that's just a sad & disgusting fact of life. Unless she's spent her entire life living under a rock, she's probably well aware of this. Like several others posted, I was fully dressed when I was raped, in a smelly work uniform I'd been wearing for 13+hrs. If so many of us share this experience -- being raped/assaulted while in 'non-sexually-provocative' clothes -- should it really be so surprising that sm POS feels free to attack this girl bc she was naked? Instead of exercising sm common (read: self-protecting) sense, she did smtg akin in many guys' minds to offering herself on a silver platter. So yes, I think she was absolutely 'kicking the hornet's nest'.

Have you read the 'cat de-clawing' snafu in the Lounge? A few posters described having de-clawed their cats thinking it was basically harmless, similar to simply trimming-back the cat's nails. They did this bc THEY WERE NVR TOLD THAT DE-CLAWING = AMPUTATION. Are they still bad, evil horrendous, animal-abusing cretins, regardless of the fact that they refused to de-claw future pets after learning what de-clawing actually entails?

The point I took from Sunny's post, & that I was trying to expand on, is that you can't be completely surprised by a person's actions when they were nvr taught that those actions are wrong. The fault for not solidly teaching these shitsacks that 'naked woman =/= your right to sex' lies w/ society.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 03:16 PM
I'm the last one to slut-shame anyone. As I said, Idc who commits the rape or why, I say feed them each a bullet & let God sort it out. This includes the guy who raped me b4 I started dancing, & pretty much all of the guys I've seen assaulting myself or any other dancer in the 5+ yrs I danced.

Magical_Hoohah said it better than I could, that a good bit of the problem comes from social conditioning. Have you ever danced yourself, or does your experience in sex work not extend beyond the safety of your computer screen? Why exactly do you think so many dancers (myself included) complain not only abt the POS customers who assault us at work, but the mgmt & security in the clubs who let it happen or even outright encourage it? Why do we complain of extras girls in other clubs who essentially condition travelling customers to expect sex acts in every club they visit? There are plenty of threads on here discussing these problems but the common denominator is the environment(s) that permit/encourage this behaviour from customers, thus re-inforcing the idea that such behaviour is acceptable, rather than backing up the complaining dancer & kicking them out or calling the police.

Unless the video from the original link was staged, that girl was a fkng idiot. Do I think she deserves to get raped? NO. Would I want her to get raped to 'Teach her a lesson'? NO. The guy was still 100% responsible for his actions, & had he raped her, I would still file him under 'People who oughta be killed' along w/ any other rapist. But as Magical pointed out above, social conditioning has resulted (intentionally or not) in a sizeable population who wouldn't think twice abt doing so simply bc she answered the door naked, & that's just a sad & disgusting fact of life. Unless she's spent her entire life living under a rock, she's probably well aware of this. Like several others posted, I was fully dressed when I was raped, in a smelly work uniform I'd been wearing for 13+hrs. If so many of us share this experience -- being raped/assaulted while in 'non-sexually-provocative' clothes -- should it really be so surprising that sm POS feels free to attack this girl bc she was naked? Instead of exercising sm common (read: self-protecting) sense, she did smtg akin in many guys' minds to offering herself on a silver platter. So yes, I think she was absolutely 'kicking the hornet's nest'.

Have you read the 'cat de-clawing' snafu in the Lounge? A few posters described having de-clawed their cats thinking it was basically harmless, similar to simply trimming-back the cat's nails. They did this bc THEY WERE NVR TOLD THAT DE-CLAWING = AMPUTATION. Are they still bad, evil horrendous, animal-abusing cretins, regardless of the fact that they refused to de-claw future pets after learning what de-clawing actually entails?

The point I took from Sunny's post, & that I was trying to expand on, is that you can't be completely surprised by a person's actions when they were nvr taught that those actions are wrong. The fault for not solidly teaching these shitsacks that 'naked woman =/= your right to sex' lies w/ society.

And my point is that Sunny's point is a complete and utter cop-out. ;)

laurielegs
01-16-2015, 03:22 PM
random
i thought MFC was female only?

Yeah I bet she got a temporary suspension at least for that. Seems like the "no men on cam" is the only rule MFC enforces consistently.

Also, I think it was definitely staged because he kept asking for her number. If he's a pizza delivery guy - he had her number already.

thatgingercamgirl
01-16-2015, 03:23 PM
I'd also like to say that it is pretty damn sexist of someone to assume that men are 'so confused by the messages that they have been given by society therefore he has no free will of his own to know right from wrong and therefore can't be blamed for thinking it is okay'.

TV shows non-stop violence as well as sexist bullshit. So are men to be forgiven for being violent too? I mean, it is part of the culture. They play violent videos games all day. They aren't bad people they can't be blamed.

Men are not children.

If they can tell TV isn't real life then the sure the hell can tell that porn isn't real life either.

It is beyond insulting to treat them that way.

Men deserve way more respect then that.

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justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 03:28 PM
Yeah I bet she got a temporary suspension at least for that. Seems like the "no men on cam" is the only rule MFC enforces consistently.

Also, I think it was definitely staged because he kept asking for her number. If he's a pizza delivery guy - he had her number already.

At some point in the video he says, "Is this your number here?"

I am not saying it wasn't stage, I am just saying that I think seeing her naked might of made him forget not only he had her number but also his own name. LOL!

Aniela
01-16-2015, 03:44 PM
And my point is that Sunny's point is a complete and utter cop-out. ;)

She wasn't copping-out -- at least, not any more than you are by attacking my first post against the knee-jerk reactions to her point, & then refusing to address the points I made in my second.

IvyAdams
01-16-2015, 03:50 PM
i am so sick and tired of some of you defending rape or sexual assault inflicted on women. Please miss me with the bullshit! Why is it that whenever you see a woman being violated, questions as such 'what was she wearing?' or 'why was she there in the first place?' always come up? Instead of telling a woman how to dress how about we tell men not to rape and understand that when a woman tells you 'no', that is a complete sentence. Stop violence against women!

I have been harassed and assaulted when i was fully dressed without an once of skin showing. My body is of my own and i'll dress how the fuck i wanna dress. No one has the right to violate it.
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preach it.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 03:54 PM
She wasn't copping-out -- at least, not any more than you are by attacking my first post against the knee-jerk reactions to her point, & then refusing to address the points I made in my second.

Knee-jerk reactions? Um, okay then.

What points would you like me address?

Marina Starr
01-16-2015, 04:03 PM
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preach it.

justanothercamgirl
01-16-2015, 04:05 PM
I have to go soon but I didn't want to leave you unanswered. I assume this is what I missed answering?

1. Have you ever danced yourself, or does your experience in sex work not extend beyond the safety of your computer screen?

I've escorted.

2. Why exactly do you think so many dancers (myself included) complain not only abt the POS customers who assault us at work, but the mgmt & security in the clubs who let it happen or even outright encourage it? Why do we complain of extras girls in other clubs who essentially condition travelling customers to expect sex acts in every club they visit? There are plenty of threads on here discussing these problems but the common denominator is the environment(s) that permit/encourage this behaviour from customers, thus re-inforcing the idea that such behaviour is acceptable, rather than backing up the complaining dancer & kicking them out or calling the police.

If I had to guess, it would be how sex workers are perceived in society and by the people that employ them. Specifically sex workers and not women as a whole.

I also have a third thing that I will PM you to share privately as it is personal to my life experience.

Aniela
01-16-2015, 04:21 PM
^^^^ just saw your PM, thnx for the response & I wouldn't want you posting that on a public board either :) gotta log in a min as well but will address this response ^^^^ (specifically point 2) later.

RebeccaT
01-16-2015, 04:30 PM
I could be completely wrong about this but I think it was one of those fabric hair ties. You know the ones I mean? It would have whole in the middle so the camera could still see but then look 'hidden' for lack of a better word? If not hidden at least less obvious?

But sometimes it is in view and sometimes not. How would it move? I'm trying to be convinced she was not alone...

SoloDesire
01-16-2015, 04:51 PM
But sometimes it is in view and sometimes not. How would it move? I'm trying to be convinced she was not alone...

No, it's always there...sometimes it's just zoomed up. Whoever edited it zoomed up towards the end when they were by the door.

brownsugardoll
01-16-2015, 06:16 PM
Also, I think it was definitely staged because he kept asking for her number. If he's a pizza delivery guy - he had her number already.

Yes, I think this was all stage too. The clue of asking for her number gave it away.

aleciaxxx
01-16-2015, 07:08 PM
oh how stupid that was! it's one thing to order pizza but don't have them on cam since they are not verified on your account and DO NOT answer the door naked! he could have raped her or worse! that was just dangerous on so many levels.

Sunnylexie
01-16-2015, 08:39 PM
Oh wow. I didn't expect my previous post to get such a response. Probably my fault for not making it clear enough or giving the names, but what I was trying to say is Cutie101 doesn't deserve the backlash. I'm not defending rapists or protecting rape culture, but I'm against personal attacks on those of us who got mislead by it. Why not just explain Cutie doing the things she mentioned was wrong instead of further shaming and picking on her like it was all her own idea rather than what the society made her believe?

Again: I'm not saying rape is right under any circumstances or rapists shouldn't be held responsible for their actions. I mean most people just don't see the line. I'm not denying anyone's right to underss in front of a stranger. I'm saying it's an unsafe and stupid thing to do because of what I already mentioned. The fact that you have the right to invite people in naked without getting assaulted doesn't automatically protect you from assault by people who think coming out naked to a greet a stranger means consent. Given how often the delivery/maintenance man+slutty housewife script is used in porn (the probable reason why the camgirl thought of doing it all), sexual assault would be the first thing to expect.

aleciaxxx
01-16-2015, 11:18 PM
I'm still just totally stunned that she did that. What she did was wrong and dangerous. How did she know he wasn't a rapist? how would she know if he was sane or not? this leaves me questioning her judgement and wondering if she is sane? sorry but I just wouldn't have the balls to risk something like that. She has brass ones for sure.

DeepThoughts
01-17-2015, 03:24 AM
I don't know how they do it in Europe....? But here in the US.... ummmm FUCKING JAIL. Seriously? You cannot just RAPE a person because they were naked in front of you and hugged you!!! She clearly was saying NO to his advances.

I wanted to comment on this cause Sarah makes a good point. I come across this so often in Europe this attitude of "the woman was asking for it" or "what did she expect to happen?" and to see it here in this thread gave me that same old sick feeling in my stomach. It is absolutely disgusting to me that so often men and Women over here think nothing of putting the blame on the women in the situation like men are these mindless sex machines that will just start fucking you! Like you wore a meat suit out into the forest and a bear attacked you. Men are Conscious, intelligent Humans just like women so why are they forgiven for their actions like it was some instinct they have no control over?!?! And isnt that also insulting to men?

Everyone here makes great points about why women are not to blame so I dont need to repeat them but as a female expat in Europe I have been taught that I am asking for it over and over. I had an old man pull the v-neck of my shirt and look down it while trying to grab my tit because I was smiling at him while he talked to me. I was told I was being "too friendly". I had my chest grabbed by a guy at the laundry mat while discussing my keeping a shirt that I found in the dryer. Im told that apparently cause I was speaking of my chest area it was then okay for him to touch it. I had a guy run his hand between my legs at a disco tech when i bent over to pick something up. Was told I should have bent at the knees. I actually have worse experiences then this but they happened while I was working as a dancer or porn star and I dont even want to post them cause I am afraid you will all judge it like, well you deserved it then cause you were naked. I know you probably wouldnt but It is that ingrained in me now.

Makes me so sad to see this all in black and white right now. This thread has become about something so much more then how stupid that girl was.

Sunnylexie
01-17-2015, 05:17 AM
Everyone here makes great points about why women are not to blame so I dont need to repeat them but as a female expat in Europe I have been taught that I am asking for it over and over. I had an old man pull the v-neck of my shirt and look down it while trying to grab my tit because I was smiling at him while he talked to me. I was told I was being "too friendly". I had my chest grabbed by a guy at the laundry mat while discussing my keeping a shirt that I found in the dryer. Im told that apparently cause I was speaking of my chest area it was then okay for him to touch it. I had a guy run his hand between my legs at a disco tech when i bent over to pick something up. Was told I should have bent at the knees. I actually have worse experiences then this but they happened while I was working as a dancer or porn star and I dont even want to post them cause I am afraid you will all judge it like, well you deserved it then cause you were naked. I know you probably wouldnt but It is that ingrained in me now.

100% true. 10 years ago I got assaulted but didn't tell anyone because I was convinced it only counted as "legit" rape if the victim screamed for help and fought back (and I "could see this coming" when getting in a car with a man) so my partner would see it as me cheating on him. But even now that I know more about about my rights and what rape is the knowledge doesn't make me safe because it isn't automatically and immediately transmitted to everyone around me - and it's unlikely that a man busy groping my butt will pay any attention to me explaining why doing so is wrong and illegal.

There are MANY people who believe not getting raped is the woman's responsibility and men have no control over themselves when aroused, but the belief doesn't come from each of them being a latent rapist or inherently bad person (once again - I do not share or justify the point of view, but it's damn real and you won't believe how widespread it is). It comes from what their mom, dad and folks at school and in the streets have been telling them and it can and has to be straightened out.

P.S. I find this thread really illustrative from the sociocultural point of view. It shows off the geographical distribution of rape culture and how the things considered outrageous in one country are seen as common in another.

Rosemary Rabbit
01-17-2015, 05:33 AM
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Sunnylexie
01-17-2015, 05:45 AM
I was under the impression that the delivery folks had to call their workplace to request a number in order to call people? That's how they do at Dominos around here anyway.

In some places, it's not the delivery man but the order clerk who calls the customer. If there's a problem, the delivery person calls the order desk and has them contact the client. So him not having her number is possible.

amanda121
01-17-2015, 07:26 AM
I didn't read the whole thread, but I have the impression this is all staged? I saw a SM model once, claiming she will open the door to pizza delivery guy naked and that he will come in 20 min, but than she didn't hit goal on GS and started it again and than once again. More than 40 min passed by and he still wasn't there and she was still saying she will "open the door to delivery guy all naked in GS". So I think it was staged.

Thespark88
01-17-2015, 07:32 AM
I'm the last one to slut-shame anyone. As I said, Idc who commits the rape or why, I say feed them each a bullet & let God sort it out. This includes the guy who raped me b4 I started dancing, & pretty much all of the guys I've seen assaulting myself or any other dancer in the 5+ yrs I danced.

Magical_Hoohah said it better than I could, that a good bit of the problem comes from social conditioning. Have you ever danced yourself, or does your experience in sex work not extend beyond the safety of your computer screen? Why exactly do you think so many dancers (myself included) complain not only abt the POS customers who assault us at work, but the mgmt & security in the clubs who let it happen or even outright encourage it? Why do we complain of extras girls in other clubs who essentially condition travelling customers to expect sex acts in every club they visit? There are plenty of threads on here discussing these problems but the common denominator is the environment(s) that permit/encourage this behaviour from customers, thus re-inforcing the idea that such behaviour is acceptable, rather than backing up the complaining dancer & kicking them out or calling the police.

Unless the video from the original link was staged, that girl was a fkng idiot. Do I think she deserves to get raped? NO. Would I want her to get raped to 'Teach her a lesson'? NO. The guy was still 100% responsible for his actions, & had he raped her, I would still file him under 'People who oughta be killed' along w/ any other rapist. But as Magical pointed out above, social conditioning has resulted (intentionally or not) in a sizeable population who wouldn't think twice abt doing so simply bc she answered the door naked, & that's just a sad & disgusting fact of life. Unless she's spent her entire life living under a rock, she's probably well aware of this. Like several others posted, I was fully dressed when I was raped, in a smelly work uniform I'd been wearing for 13+hrs. If so many of us share this experience -- being raped/assaulted while in 'non-sexually-provocative' clothes -- should it really be so surprising that sm POS feels free to attack this girl bc she was naked? Instead of exercising sm common (read: self-protecting) sense, she did smtg akin in many guys' minds to offering herself on a silver platter. So yes, I think she was absolutely 'kicking the hornet's nest'.

Have you read the 'cat de-clawing' snafu in the Lounge? A few posters described having de-clawed their cats thinking it was basically harmless, similar to simply trimming-back the cat's nails. They did this bc THEY WERE NVR TOLD THAT DE-CLAWING = AMPUTATION. Are they still bad, evil horrendous, animal-abusing cretins, regardless of the fact that they refused to de-claw future pets after learning what de-clawing actually entails?

The point I took from Sunny's post, & that I was trying to expand on, is that you can't be completely surprised by a person's actions when they were nvr taught that those actions are wrong. The fault for not solidly teaching these shitsacks that 'naked woman =/= your right to sex' lies w/ society.

I respect your opinion, but I agree with JAC, its a cop out. At some point in a persons life, they have a responsibility to educate themselves and stop blaming their shit on other people or 'society'. Rape literally means sexual intercourse or other sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without their consent. I mean, hello?

Also,
This may not be a popular opinion, but I believe most men (people) who do these things KNOW they are wrong but they just dont care because they feel entitled and even get off on the fact that they are taking advantage of a women and will likely get away with it. A rapist KNOWS they are a rapist whether they say it aloud or not. Those men who assault you in the club? They know exactly what they are doing.

Thespark88
01-17-2015, 07:38 AM
Oh and as for the actual video. I am actually in shock. I am always paranoid when I have any male in the house (cable, maintenance etc) and I would never tell them that I am home alone or that no one else lives with me. That is scary as hell, especially because men are pigs anyway( I know, I know, MISANDRY) and you never know who is coming to your house. I hope she was okay after that, she looked pretty rattled and I hope she never does anything like that again.

SophiaSylvan
01-17-2015, 07:40 AM
I don't think it was staged. If it was staged it wouldn't have went so squicky and creepy. If it was a friend or boyfriend that she was willing to get suspended over for tips, why not flirt with him more or give him a blowjob? The tips stopped when it became clear she became really uncomfortable.

DeepThoughts
01-17-2015, 07:53 AM
But even now that I know more about about my rights and what rape is the knowledge doesn't make me safe

It comes from what their mom, dad and folks at school and in the streets have been telling them and it can and has to be straightened out.

I was raised knowing my rights and to never expect a man to rape me but now that I live over here this first comment of your is very true for me. Still Im stubborn and I play by my own rules and choose to expect more from others.

The second comment is bullshit though. It comes because there isnt a strong enough punishment. These men are not held accountable for their actions, they are not shamed for their actions so they know they can get away with it. Men know it is wrong and they are raised to know it is wrong! The laws need to be changed so that men know that one wrong step and we can nail their asses to the wall. I was once told in England that if a guy touched me and I pepper sprayed him I would go to jail for assault with a weapon. Women here dont have the right to defend their person (Unlike in America there is not a self defense law in most countries) and our behavior before the event is admissible as evidence to show that the guilty party is not responsible for his action. Change the law to reflect a woman right!! Its a civil rights issue and nothing more! Luckily this is changing but until the law makers start to make examples of men who rape and punish them accordingly the problem will continue.


At some point in a persons life, they have a responsibility to educate themselves and stop blaming their shit on other people or 'society'.
Also,
This may not be a popular opinion, but I believe most men (people) who do these things KNOW they are wrong but they just dont care because they feel entitled and even get off on the fact that they are taking advantage of a women and will likely get away with it. A rapist KNOWS they are a rapist whether they say it aloud or not. Those men who assault you in the club? They know exactly what they are doing.

^^ This exactly! Time to stop making excuses for these sickos. We need more power to enforce that law. It wont stop them but it slows them down a lot!

Thespark88
01-17-2015, 08:52 AM
Everyone here makes great points about why women are not to blame so I dont need to repeat them but as a female expat in Europe I have been taught that I am asking for it over and over. I had an old man pull the v-neck of my shirt and look down it while trying to grab my tit because I was smiling at him while he talked to me. I was told I was being "too friendly". I had my chest grabbed by a guy at the laundry mat while discussing my keeping a shirt that I found in the dryer. Im told that apparently cause I was speaking of my chest area it was then okay for him to touch it. I had a guy run his hand between my legs at a disco tech when i bent over to pick something up. Was told I should have bent at the knees. I actually have worse experiences then this but they happened while I was working as a dancer or porn star and I dont even want to post them cause I am afraid you will all judge it like, well you deserved it then cause you were naked. I know you probably wouldnt but It is that ingrained in me now.

I am so sorry that that happened to you, you do not in anyway deserve that. That being said, shit like this doesnt happen because they "dont know better", it comes from misogyny. It comes from blatant hatred and disrespect of women. They kniw what they are doing is wrong, but want to justify it by blaming the victim and dubbing themselves as an uneducated man. I dont buy it.

Sunnylexie
01-17-2015, 08:54 AM
The second comment is bullshit though. It comes because there isnt a strong enough punishment. These men are not held accountable for their actions, they are not shamed for their actions so they know they can get away with it. Men know it is wrong and they are raised to know it is wrong!

Let me disagree. I'm TERRIBLY ashamed of it, but it wasn't until like 4 years ago that I found out manipulating or pushing someone into having sex with me after they said NO was wrong even though we had had sex before. Like, I was totally unaware of the fact that NO means NO in that context and totally took it as a part of the foreplay because "hey how in the world can it be a real NO if we did it before and you enjoyed it so much". Same about having sex with someone in their sleep without asking them beforehand (even if it's your sexual partner). So I'm speaking from my own experience saying some lack knowledge and maturity to understand what is wrong but can and should be educated about it.

chickchick8182
01-17-2015, 09:14 AM
I feel like even if an individual is raised by a bunch of pigs that don't teach them that raping, sexually harassing, or feeling entitled to touch a naked woman is wrong, there's enough out there to do that for them. It's not like any of these men never went to school, have seen the news, or have basically been living under a rock their entire lives. It's pretty much widespread knowledge that it is not okay to ever force yourself upon someone against their will.

"Let me disagree. I'm TERRIBLY ashamed of it now, but it wasn't until like 3 years ago that I found out manipulating or pushing someone into having sex with me after they said NO was wrong even though we have had sex before. Like, I was totally unaware of the fact that NO means NO in that context and totally took it as a part of the foreplay"

^ Not to state the obvious here, but how were you not aware that this was not okay? I don' t mean to attack you, I'm genuinely trying to understand why you were under the impression that No doesn't mean No and that it is acceptable to pressure someone into sex. I get roleplay, or certain types of foreplay that involve safe words ect., but as a general rule?

I don't care if a woman strips down naked, and is about to jump on a guys dick, if she changes her mind at that last second and he doesn't listen, it's rape. She didn't deserve it, she wasn't asking for, she changed her damn mind. Frustrating and a little shitty? You bet, but that still doesn't give any man the right to rape her. So tired of hearing about how someone is a "cock tease", or is "waiting to be raped". Fuck we take our clothes off for money on a webcam, none of us are asking for shit, but to be paid.

The laws in place now for rapists, peeping toms, molesters ect. are not strict enough in my opinion. You can sell drugs and get life, but get out after 5 or 6 years with good behavior for basically destroying a woman's life. I mean let's think about it. Yes the drug dealer is selling illegal substances, allowing for destruction and addiction in people's lives, but the people buying drugs have a CHOICE in the matter. But hey mr. drug dealer, here's a life sentence. On the other hand a rapist, assaults someone in the most personal, intimate way possible, changes the course of that individual's life, inflicts physical and emotional damage, and hey we'll give you 10 years maybe and you can get out in half, and just have to put your name on this little list for the rest of your life. Maybe this is why guys think they can get away with it, not because their mom or dad didn't tell them it was wrong to rape a woman.