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Aurora_Sunset
02-07-2015, 09:29 AM
It was not my intention to be mean, but some of the ladies in this thread need to concentrate on themselves and STOP caring about the other dancers. Complaining about the situation won't do anything to make it better.

I mean, this is Hustle Hut, where girls discuss, dissect, and learn from other peoples' hustles. There's definitely something to be said for not wasting time just putting down other people without figuring out where they're coming from, but discussing what someone else is doing different from you, especially if you thought what you were doing was the "best" way, is actually very smart. It's not really a smart hustle to completely ignore everyone else around you, especially if they're doing better than you.

NakedNicole
02-07-2015, 02:37 PM
When I started dancing I was too nice. I would sit and chat for a while thinking the more time I invested the more pay off it would mean for me. I would either wait for the guy to ask me for a dance or I would ask him if he would like to go in the back room for a dance with me. One night I was sitting with a guy who seemed like a good candidate, when I asked him if he would like to go to the back he said "no" and that he had to leave soon. At that point I got up and left. I noticed just minutes later some other girl who in my opinion was not attractive at all and had a hysterically botched boob job came over to the guy I tried to sell to, talk to him for 2 seconds and he goes in the back with her. When he came back out I was pissed and I went back up to him and straight up asked him. "Why her and not me?" I didn't let up. I just kept telling him that I like to learn why people do what they do so he needs to tell me why he picked her and sent me packing. His answer was that she did not give him a choice. She grabbed him and told him he was going in the back with her. I also used to wear the rave style fur leg warmers and he also told me that in addition to me not being aggressive enough, he was also turned off by my leg warmers. Now I am very aggressive and it has worked out well for me. When you are aggressive and to the point guys think that you are really into them. I don't give people the option to say no. I simply go up to my target, smile and while hugging them I tell them " I'm taking you to the private room, we will go back now and get comfortable so I can start dancing for you on the next song....or if you're feeling really adventures we will head back to the champagne room where it's even more private." When you put it like this the guy can't simply tell no very easily. You have now told them what the plan is and when its going down (The next song). You have also given them a choice between spending money in the private booth or the champagne room. It makes them feel like they have to pick from your options provided as opposed to just having to pick "yes or no" to spending money. I work at amother club too that doesn't have champagne rooms but they have $10 floor dances and $20 private dances. If you do private dances you have to pay $4 per song to the club, plus the customer has to buy a $10 entrance wrist band to get access to the private booths. If you do floor dances the club does not take a cut of that money though. At this club the songs are cut to only 2 minutes 30 seconds. The way i sell there is telling the guy that he can get 2 dances right here for only $20 or if you prefer to be more private we can go to the back where one private dance is $20 and you have to buy a $10 wrist band. Typically guys will always say yes to the floor dances right away and it's really easy to sell this deal. Plus i like it because in 5 minutes I'm still making $20 and dont have to give any back. And other customers can watch my floor dance and its free advertising for me. Once I have done my floor dances that are minimal contact I ask "if we shall continue this back in the private room where you are allowed to touch more" If they have the means to do so they will then take me to the back room.

Selina M
02-07-2015, 04:16 PM
I think it is partially your look that day. Here's the comparison I've made:

1) Fancy white dress, rhinestone watch, etc: I end up relying on 1 or 2 old guys for $1-200 of VIP dances each, and then I will fill in the holes with a couple $10 floor dances from each other interested guy. I tend to get a lot of interest because I stand out, BUT they know they will probably get less for their $$ in the back since I don't look like I need to do heavy contact, or else that they just can't afford me, so most guys will just get 1 or 2 floor dances from me.

2) Off-shoulder t-shirt, thong, tall athletic socks, ponytail: I get less attention on stage and I have to do more cold approaches, and get a lot more rejections bc I look like most of the other girls, BUT when I do get a guy he can usually be talked into at least 3 songs in VIP... though sometimes I have to deal with a lot more handsy guys than when I look fancy.

Aggression can help though. I have been a lot more pushy lately, its worked for the most part. However, there's been a few that hem-hawed and BS'd around and I got dances from them by being more forceful, but the DJ called me up after 2 songs with each and once I was on stage, these guys literally booked it out the door. I was like "Shit I literally beat-down hustled them." I'm not sure if I should be proud of that, because that is what the 2 top earners do, or if I should be cognizant of the fact that they probably will never buy from me again...

Flickdreams
02-07-2015, 11:12 PM
^ i think that guys who "book it out the door" after being hard hustled by me were unlikely to spend money on any dancers that night. Good riddance.

Selina M
02-08-2015, 12:03 AM
^ So I should be proud I got $20 out of them at least, haha

Flickdreams
02-08-2015, 04:12 AM
Sometimes $20 from a cheapo is equivalent to $220 from anyone else :D

kaninchen
02-09-2015, 07:35 PM
I think it is just the fact that, when you don't look like a stripper, you are more approchable and when you act into the guy its more believable in their mind, they don't feel like they're being "played"

This is so interesting! My observation has been the opposite. My club has no dress code and I work with all kinds of girls. I've noticed that the girls who look more stripper-fied (tan, fit, done-up hair, full make-up, stripper thong instead of Victoria's Secret) get the most attention on stage and have the highest closing ratio. The girls who look approachable are the ones that customers can't relate to. I think they're not sure why they should give money to someone who looks like their daughter, wife, or neighbor.

However! Correlation is not causation, and maybe the dancers who have experience tend to be more gussied up? Or, maybe, the girls I work with who don't put 110% effort into their appearance are also skimping on their hustle.

lokikola
02-10-2015, 01:39 AM
I like this thread.

I read something recently that I totally identify with. I am not really a "type" of dancer. I'm like an F-16; I'm a jack of all trades. I can be lacey and eloquent or ratchet as fuck, depends on the client/atmosphere and the motive is always money. I wear shit that I think is tacky but customers love it and it rakes in cash.

I used to love doing glitter cut creases and coordinating my makeup with my outfits. More natural is better. Look attainable. This is a quote from a great blog I read recently:

4. CREATIVITY DEFLATES THE AVERAGE BONER. I drew on really fierce eyebrows once. Another time I tried violet mascara. Another time I slapped on a gorgeous deep plum matte lipstick. It looked rad. All of the aforementioned looks elicited the following response:

"I like your makeup."
IF A MAN TELLS YOU HE LIKES YOUR MAKEUP HE IS NOT GETTING A DANCE FROM YOU. YOUR MAKEUP IS DETRACTING FROM YOUR FUCKABILITY. So is the hairstyle you put a lot of work into. Keep it simple and swishy.


LINK: http://www.jacqthestripper.com/blog/

simone87
02-10-2015, 11:15 AM
^ haha i love her advice! yes , yes, yes!

SnuffleUffleGrass
02-10-2015, 03:25 PM
I like this thread.


I used to love doing glitter cut creases and coordinating my makeup with my outfits. More natural is better. Look attainable. This is a quote from a great blog I read recently:

4. CREATIVITY DEFLATES THE AVERAGE BONER. I drew on really fierce eyebrows once. Another time I tried violet mascara. Another time I slapped on a gorgeous deep plum matte lipstick. It looked rad. All of the aforementioned looks elicited the following response:

"I like your makeup."
IF A MAN TELLS YOU HE LIKES YOUR MAKEUP HE IS NOT GETTING A DANCE FROM YOU. YOUR MAKEUP IS DETRACTING FROM YOUR FUCKABILITY. So is the hairstyle you put a lot of work into. Keep it simple and swishy.


I personally love rocking "the Vasline lip" look- it prevents smeared color all over your face and hair, but also reminds guys of sex (saliva, body fluid.) Also allows for biting, licking and pulling on your lips, which are a not so subtle reminder of your vaginal lips. Of course go for a glossy lip balm, not real Vaseline, it's outdated.

audritwo
02-10-2015, 08:03 PM
there is a plain looking girl, lets say she is a theoretical 5, no makeup, no figure, bad posture, annoying voice, whack outfit, and a fake ass mop on her head.

Hahaha honestly this is kinda sounds like me. I think it's my confidence mostly. I also am ridiculously outgoing. When I say I love to talk to people, I really do. I can relate to almost anyone because I can find that just by a conversation. It can be as simple as making an observation and finding a way to relate to it. Even if it's stupid joke. I can probably talk anyone into taking me to show, given the amount of time and keeping them intrigued.

rareaspasia
02-11-2015, 10:39 AM
I think I'm going to try a very plain look tonight and see what happens. I always do full hair and makeup but now I'm curious. I'll report back, ladies.

sexilexi
02-11-2015, 11:22 AM
I danced ten yrs. with A cup tits sellin' the dream. Whatever dream they have.. that's me. And my job is to make them believe that whatever their fantasy is.. can happen in the VIP. Get that into your head and you will bank every night. If they don't want to do VIP just collect a tip for your time and move on to the next one. Even pimps paid me for my time if I said hi to them. I got that super custom hustle.. I switch it up and tailor it to the guy. It comes so naturally, it is built into my subconscious. I believe the money is already in my hand. Girls try to hang out with me to see what I say but have no luck. I know every close in the book and have my own style so that is what is boils down to. Closing with confidence and ease and using your own style.

NakedNicole
02-11-2015, 11:41 AM
I danced ten yrs. with A cup tits sellin' the dream. Whatever dream they have.. that's me. And my job is to make them believe that whatever their fantasy is.. can happen in the VIP. Get that into your head and you will bank every night. If they don't want to do VIP just collect a tip for your time and move on to the next one. Even pimps paid me for my time if I said hi to them. I got that super custom hustle.. I switch it up and tailor it to the guy. It comes so naturally, it is built into my subconscious. I believe the money is already in my hand. Girls try to hang out with me to see what I say but have no luck. I know every close in the book and have my own style so that is what is boils down to. Closing with confidence and ease and using your own style.

I was just wondering, at some point do you flat out ask the guy what his fantasty is or do you have to ask a series of questions to get a feel for what he fantasizes about?

ValentinaSF
02-16-2015, 04:54 PM
I'm still honing my hustle, but I feel like the most effective for me is when I BELIEVE that every guy wants a dance from me. I don't even give a shit if he only likes blondes (I have short black hair)... I'm still sexy as FUCK and he wants my ass all over his lap.

I see the girls who are always in VIP in my club and I do think that they have a combination of 1)regulars 2)offering extras 3) super hot. Of course, there are always exceptions.

TabithaTease
02-16-2015, 05:44 PM
I think it comes down to individuality. Not everyone is going to be everyones type. I think if you learn how to play a different type mentally it can help you hustle more.

sessik86
02-17-2015, 09:45 AM
I talk to every guy in club. I see so many girls that sit in the back and complain or at the bar by themselves, which is great for me. When I first started, I would sit with a guy too long and then he wouldn't even get a dance. Since I dance on the slower nights, I get mad at the girls that do this when there isn't a free lap available bc I realize they are doing what I use to do and if they would get up I could make more money. When I talk with a guy, I sit down and chit chat for a few songs. Then i run my nails through the back of his head and his arms. And blow in his ear then ask for a dance. Works like a charm. I can sell vips but they are always to drunk guys. I like to drink while I work. I don't have the attention span to sit with some sober guy for an hour and entertain him. The hottest girls in the club, they usually wait for a guy to ask them for a dance. They have it set up with the waitresses and our vip bartender for their vips. Do I care, nope because we do not have the same clientele. Our vips are 550 - 650 an hour plus tip to the waitress. So I know a lot of people get mad at the girls that take clients back there to have sex. I know some do, some do not have sex. But that guy, paying that much for sex, is not going to spend 100 on me for dances. I can make right up there just, I have work the floor for the blue collar and young guys. Oh and especially if I know if a guy is drunk, after we do dances, I'll come back up to him again after i circle the room and ask for dances again. The only place I have every worked and could not figure out how to make money was VIP's in chicago. Coming from a liberal club to an air dance club with pasties and full bottom underwear, I had a lot of trouble. I only stayed two weekends and then left.

Likethis
02-21-2015, 09:55 AM
There was a girl at the club who was really heavily overweight and tbh she didn't have a particularly pretty face (I think the way she did her make up made her look worse though), sometimes customers would say "What is SHE doing here? She can't be making much money" and similar things. But she was one of the top earners, she was laughing all the way to the bank.

I watched her, thinking but how, HOW, does she make all that money, and it seemed like she was just very very persistent and persuasive. She did not give up, she asked everyone and she didn't take no for an answer, she coaxed and used both her words and her body language to convince the guy, a lot of times it worked. She expected to get dances and she did, she acted like she was the best looking girl and best dancer in the club even though a lot of customers probably wouldn't say that about her. She had a huge amount of confidence. And she could dance, she was surprisingly good at it. She was like a moneymaking machine.

EastCoastDancer01
02-21-2015, 02:10 PM
Men like to feel in control and like they are the man. Its easier to feel that way with a girl who is plain looking and approachable. When a guy sees a perfect 10 at the club, he automatically thinks she's bitchy, entitled, isnt gonna want to work for it, and that he has no shot with her. Sorry hotties, thats how a lot of men think! But when they see a girl who looks "normal" they feel more at ease and comfortable, which helps their ego. A lot of average looking girls just know how to work men, they had to develop that skill since they cant get ahead with their looks alone. Also, a lot of men tell me they like girls who have a natural, real look about them. They feel like they arent trying to hide anything, and their take me as I am attitude is a turn on because it shows confidence.

bambiblue
02-25-2015, 03:27 PM
In my experience they are extremely confident and approach everyone ..no matter how gross they act or how bad they smell... they make the guys feel liked and wanted.... they are not afraid of rejection and know how to control the conversation without appearing like they are being pushy even though they really are being pushy. They also expect $$... they don't just wait and hope for it. I am not embarrassed to say I have gotten by on my good looks and sensual dance moves... I only hustle when I have to.... it's exhausting and I give the girls credit who are good at it.

rareaspasia
03-05-2015, 10:20 AM
I think I'm going to try a very plain look tonight and see what happens. I always do full hair and makeup but now I'm curious. I'll report back, ladies.

So I did several shifts with very light makeup (bb cream, mascara, liner, and one shimmery shadow, that's about as light as I could stand to do it) and didn't straighten my hair or do anything with it and it made no difference in my earnings. I can't bring myself to do no makeup and a ponytail. As a dancer friend said after I told her about my experiment, "I always like to think I'll try things on a day when I'm not concerned about making money, but when am I ever going to have a night where I don't care if I make money?" I was also told by a couple of people (staff that sees me on the way in with a bare face) that hair and makeup make no difference with me because of how I carry myself. It's nice to know that I don't have to spend tons of time doing my hair and makeup if I don't feel like it but I like how I look when I'm properly put together so I'll probably go back to that. I'd love to be that girl who can make money looking sloppy but I just can't do it. I admire the hell out of those chicks, though.

Gia2608
03-10-2015, 11:55 PM
Maybe because "that girl" is worried about herself and not about you or anyone else in the club.

Selina M
03-11-2015, 09:52 AM
Oh for Pete's sake, again with the "worry about yourself" bit. If we all strictly worried about ourselves and never wondered if there was a better approach that someone else had figured out, we'd be missing out on chances to get new hustle skills. Y'all make it sound like we're sitting in a corner, bitterly watching That Girl and not doing anything otherwise... I think most of us are still hustling but just noticing That Girl and being curious.

Miss_Red
03-11-2015, 12:17 PM
That Girl in my club was box-shaped and, although she performed miracles with makeup, objectively unattractive. I watched her like a hawk once I realized her hustle left me in the dust. I think it was a combination of extreme confidence, persistence, and an understanding of the male mind I can only strive to. A regular of mine told me that, after I danced for him, she came up behind him, hugged him, and whispered in his ear "do you know how jealous that made me, watching her in your lap?" She followed this up with "It's ok, though, I don't mind sloppy seconds." I was about to go "eeew!" when the regular sighed, looked off into space, and said "Man, she almost got me with that one, that was really hot." She did get him for a few dances later that night.

This taught me to stop worrying about whether I'm the hottest girl in the room, and not to be afraid to talk nasty. It's paid off for me. I'm sure glad I didn't just worry about myself that night, or I would have missed out on something important.

bambiblue
03-11-2015, 04:13 PM
after I danced for him, she came up behind him, hugged him, and whispered in his ear "do you know how jealous that made me, watching her in your lap?" She followed this up with "It's ok, though, I don't mind sloppy seconds." I was about to go "eeew!" when the regular sighed, looked off into space, and said "Man, she almost got me with that one, that was really hot." She did get him for a few dances later that night..

I barely dance anymore... but damn I just have to try saying this once before I retire the stilettoes forever. I just love over hearing the cute little things these sweet talkers say to custys...

Aurora14
03-12-2015, 01:46 PM
she came up behind him, hugged him, and whispered in his ear "do you know how jealous that made me, watching her in your lap?" She followed this up with "It's ok, though, I don't mind sloppy seconds." I was about to go "eeew!" when the regular sighed, looked off into space, and said "Man, she almost got me with that one, that was really hot." She did get him for a few dances later that night.

I'm using this tonight.

I asked a girl about this. She said she doesn't give them the chance to say no. Never phrase anything where "No" can be said. And if they do say "No" she says "Well, it's been nice talking. I would have love to made your night, but there are other men that are waiting for a chance with me" They either buy dances then or aren't going to at all.

Selina M
03-12-2015, 01:54 PM
^ That's true. The one at my club only takes no if she's not invested much time into the guy, like has been there maybe 30 seconds and Wanna Dance'd him. If she's been sitting with him a couple songs though, she doesn't take it; my regular tried to tell her no and that's when she basically waited him out to where he was buying dances to make her go away.

Does anyone have suggestions of ways to phrase things to where they can't say no?
I use "It's time for me to get naked now" and other statements. It usually catches them off guard so they feel like they CAN'T say no anyway. I'd like to find something similarly high pressure to use that will get them to the VIP room though. I've tried standing up, saying "Let's go" and motioning towards the room, and the ones that say no look confused, and stammer about "would it be ok if we just stayed here?" I'm not sure how to respond to that without coming off as a stuck-up "I only dance in VIP" bitch.

xxxGothBarbie
03-12-2015, 02:21 PM
^ Selina this sortive happened to me last night at work when I motioned for this guy to come to me at my table. He came over & right off the bat I faced him , stared into his eyes without losing eye contact & told him the deal with the champange rooms & very sternly kept saying ok I'm ready to go c'mon let's go. He would naturally say hold on a mon or whatever but I didn't budge I kept on at him until finally he walked back there with me. It took me all in all about 5 mins tops to close that sale :) I even overcharged him LOL AND asked for a tip after :p I never give up nor do I give them the chance to say no. I'm not sure as to how to phrase it unless i just flat out say "ok, well I'm gonna show you the rooms now". Most have gotten pissy with me but they still spend LoL They usually say wow you should be in sales to which I reply with "I am" :)

kaninchen
03-12-2015, 04:48 PM
^ That's true. The one at my club only takes no if she's not invested much time into the guy, like has been there maybe 30 seconds and Wanna Dance'd him. If she's been sitting with him a couple songs though, she doesn't take it; my regular tried to tell her no and that's when she basically waited him out to where he was buying dances to make her go away.

Does anyone have suggestions of ways to phrase things to where they can't say no?
I use "It's time for me to get naked now" and other statements. It usually catches them off guard so they feel like they CAN'T say no anyway. I'd like to find something similarly high pressure to use that will get them to the VIP room though. I've tried standing up, saying "Let's go" and motioning towards the room, and the ones that say no look confused, and stammer about "would it be ok if we just stayed here?" I'm not sure how to respond to that without coming off as a stuck-up "I only dance in VIP" bitch.

I find that you can defuse the pressure and potential for stuck-up bitchiness by being very playful in your delivery. I mean, your basic body language, eye contact, and sales lines should all be dominatrix-firm, but talk like you're a kid playing a game. It's great for keeping the intimidation factor subconscious, so they don't even realize they have no choice.

This is kind of hard to explain without acting it out. But to take your lines, "It's time for me to get naked, let's go!" Like, I might say that while waggling my eyebrows goofily and then grab the waistband of their pants to lead them (like a leash). If they hesitate, I might roll my eyes while smiling and pout, "Come ON, you sexy weirdo!" And then don't stop the pressure once they've started to get up, lead them with both of your hands, keep talking to them, like they're a disoriented drunk person. This doesn't give them any room to doubt (i.e. no stammering).

Odette
03-15-2015, 12:51 AM
I think it comes down to being genuinely friendly and interested in your customers.
I definitely used to be this girl when I first started dancing--you know, the overweight but adorable blonde 20 year old that guys would always ask "what are YOU doing here?" to. I've gotten my shit together physically, I know I'm cute but I but I don't go crazy on my look--it doesn't make a difference. I traded my blonde hair for auburn, have never tanned in my life (I can't) and I wear makeup, a full face, but not so much it looks unnatural, in the club lighting I look lightly made up or like I'm wearing no make up, I even used to wear my nerdy librarian glasses to work, now THAT was a moneymaker, I was super surprised. If I wasn't so afraid of breaking them/someone recognizing me immediately, I'd still wear them. The other day some girl was bitching about how I was making so much money (my friend told me) and she was having a crappy night--this girl was young and gorgeous, but she had a shitty attitude. The most important thing is to treat everyone like you would a friend--the restrictions of gender roles mean that it is most socially acceptable for guys to seek out intimacy through sexual means: it's not "ok for a guy to admit he's lonely and looking for a friend yet thats what 99% of good spending customers in a club are I have learned. It doesn't matter if you're Kim Kardashian, customers are there just as much for the mental experience of connecting with another human being as they are for tits and ass, espescially now with camming and porn being everywhere. They can SEE a pretty girl anytime they want, the benefit of your product as a dancer is that they get to MEET and BOND with the pretty girl, so that's what you focus on selling.

Gia2608
03-15-2015, 09:28 PM
Oh for Pete's sake, again with the "worry about yourself" bit. If we all strictly worried about ourselves and never wondered if there was a better approach that someone else had figured out, we'd be missing out on chances to get new hustle skills. Y'all make it sound like we're sitting in a corner, bitterly watching That Girl and not doing anything otherwise... I think most of us are still hustling but just noticing That Girl and being curious.

No, I didn't say "worry about yourself"; I said don't worry about her cause she's not worried about you. There is a big difference. Women, regardless of their profession need to empower each other and build each other up not tear at each other and pull each other down. This is a clear indication of insecurity and immaturity.

Miss_Red
03-15-2015, 09:40 PM
I don't think anyone's worried about her. Did anyone say they're worried about her, or angry at her for making bank? I think we're all just curious as to how she does what she does, because we'd like to emulate her success.

You're seeing hate where there isn't any.

Selina M
03-15-2015, 10:03 PM
No, I didn't say "worry about yourself"; I said don't worry about her cause she's not worried about you. There is a big difference. Women, regardless of their profession need to empower each other and build each other up not tear at each other and pull each other down. This is a clear indication of insecurity and immaturity.

"Don't worry about her" is a roundabout way of saying "mind your own business and worry about yourself".

THAT aside, we are not tearing anyone down. I don't understand where that came from. I'm not going to reiterate my prior posts but nobody is hating on anyone, they are merely wondering how certain girls get certain results. It's the same as saying "How does that salesman talk to someone for 10 minutes and sell them a car?" "How does that girl make a gown work for her in a thong-and-bra club?"

Jesus. I didn't know curiosity was the same thing as hating.

Gia2608
03-16-2015, 02:05 PM
I don't think anyone's worried about her. Did anyone say they're worried about her, or angry at her for making bank? I think we're all just curious as to how she does what she does, because we'd like to emulate her success.

You're seeing hate where there isn't any.

Yes maybe not in the OP but there are plenty of girls referring to girls who aren't the prettiest, have bad bodies etc. You can't learn to do what another girl is doing; you need to do your own thing. I guess I didn't express what I was trying to say the best way possible.

HallelujahHopkins
03-16-2015, 10:09 PM
I think it comes down to being genuinely friendly and interested in your customers.
I definitely used to be this girl when I first started dancing--you know, the overweight but adorable blonde 20 year old that guys would always ask "what are YOU doing here?" to. I've gotten my shit together physically, I know I'm cute but I but I don't go crazy on my look--it doesn't make a difference. I traded my blonde hair for auburn, have never tanned in my life (I can't) and I wear makeup, a full face, but not so much it looks unnatural, in the club lighting I look lightly made up or like I'm wearing no make up, I even used to wear my nerdy librarian glasses to work, now THAT was a moneymaker, I was super surprised. If I wasn't so afraid of breaking them/someone recognizing me immediately, I'd still wear them. The other day some girl was bitching about how I was making so much money (my friend told me) and she was having a crappy night--this girl was young and gorgeous, but she had a shitty attitude. The most important thing is to treat everyone like you would a friend--the restrictions of gender roles mean that it is most socially acceptable for guys to seek out intimacy through sexual means: it's not "ok for a guy to admit he's lonely and looking for a friend yet thats what 99% of good spending customers in a club are I have learned. It doesn't matter if you're Kim Kardashian, customers are there just as much for the mental experience of connecting with another human being as they are for tits and ass, espescially now with camming and porn being everywhere. They can SEE a pretty girl anytime they want, the benefit of your product as a dancer is that they get to MEET and BOND with the pretty girl, so that's what you focus on selling.

That's how they spend everything they have and flick away other girls and wait in line for you. Because you make them feel special and accepted when nothing else in the world does. Then you're their girl and can do no wrong and they'll rally their friends for you, wait at the stage, rub your feet, wait their turn patiently. It's also a little less dehumanizing as a persona...

kirakonstantin
03-19-2015, 02:21 PM
There's a girl at my club who's pretty in her way, but definitely not classically attractive. She banks. Part of how she does it is that, over many years of dancing, she's built up a rather large stable of regulars. The way she gets them is her incredible personality. She gets these guys to fall in love with her.

A regular of mine used to get dances from a dancer who was just not someone you'd ever think could bank as a dancer. I mean, in her own words, she has the figure of a 12 year old boy. He likes her, and me, because we're both intelligent and can carry on a substantial conversation. He told me quite bluntly that the first time I met him, he wasn't even remotely interested in me until we had talked for a while and he realized that I have a brain as well as big boobs. And I genuinely like the guy, which is a huge bonus.

A man's main sexual organ is his brain. Good hustlers, regardless of their looks, are the ones who know how to engage it.

TiffTiff
03-24-2015, 12:09 PM
I've had 2 major experiences with this. One club this girl, plain, thin, hardly any boobs, ugly teeth, plain face....made bank. always in the dance room or in champagne room...she even landed the guys who claim they had no money and couldn't even tip you a dollar. Her deal was the fake orgasm and dirty talk.

The second club same deal...plain girl, same damn bikini every day, no makeup, barely a 5.....she would get them in lap dance with promise of giving her real phone number, then to champagne room with promise of freebie in the hotel she lived in 3 miles away. whore.

NightGoddess
03-25-2015, 02:49 PM
^calling fellow sex workers whores in a derogatory way is not something I'd advise not only on this website, but in any situation. It is a pot calling a kettle black, not to be rude, but we are all sisters in the same industry and we are all the same in the eyes of people who do not know any better.

TiffTiff
03-26-2015, 12:23 AM
Uh no. Prostitution is illegal in PA. It was also not allowed in our club....so she comes up in our establishment where all of us are mothers and or going to school, trying to pay bills by DANCING in a bikini and doing lapdances fully clothed and she wants to fuck for money and take all of our customers? That's what she was doing. We all started losing tons of money because of site like BestGFE...her name was plastered everywhere as "so and so at clubxyz absolutely will fuck you for money if you do a champagne room with her". Soon people were waiting in line for her. You want to be an escort??? FINE, but don't come to my club to get your customers. I'm there to dance, not fuck. The prostitutes and girls that do extras are ruining the industry fr the girls that strictly want to dance.

kirakonstantin
03-26-2015, 12:34 AM
^ I agree with you. Girls coming into the club and doing extras hurts every clean dancer in there, in a variety of ways.

Using the word "whore" is an insult to escorts who don't come into your club and conduct themselves professionslly. While prostitution is illegal is most places, it really is a victimless crime, when the escort is of legal age and consents to enter into the business. Whatever feelings one may have of their chosen occupation, slut shaming another person is a pretty crummy thing to do.

Whether this dancer is prostituting herself is not the issue, but rather how she's conducting her business. She's an asshole and a fucking cunt, for sure, but lumping her in with an escort who isn't bothering you is unnecessary.

azaleanola
03-26-2015, 12:44 AM
^Oddly enough, using the word "clean" to refer to dancers is what bothers me. (Not as much as ITC whores bother me, but still. . . .)

kirakonstantin
03-26-2015, 01:23 AM
^ Fair enough. What term would you prefer instead?

And, I'm not sticking up for girls prostituting themselves ITC. Rather, it's more for legitimate escorts who conduct their business without damaging the SC environment and don't deserve to be associated with extras girls.

thisISbliss
03-26-2015, 11:36 PM
I was that "5" lol, the thing is dancing and most forms of adult work are SALES jobs. My best friend, who is arguably a 9 face and body-wise used to wonder how I got people to spend so much money on me. Even years later, I get more income-wise than she does even though she puts in longer hours.

I talk to lots of people.
I take note of who shows interest.
I get them to demonstrate commitment BEFORE spending lots of time talking.
I look and take stock of the types of people who consistently spend the most and show the most interest.
I tailor my approach to hone in on that group of guys that really find me hot.
I emphasize parts of my body that are particularly attractive.


Basically the "plain janes" have better prospecting and sales skills. They spend most of their time ONLY focusing on guys who like their look and have indicated commitment to spending. Hot chicks who do poorly tend to think their looks mean they have it in the bag so they stick around with non-spenders much longer than they should.

NightGoddess
03-27-2015, 01:07 PM
^How does one demonstrate commitment before spending.

TiffTiff
03-27-2015, 03:19 PM
but I would never call an escort a whore. They are supporting their family and what they do on their on time or on craigslist is not my business. A girl blowing guys in my club where you are only supposed to dance earns the derogatory term WHORE from me. An escort is an escort. A whore is a dirty bitch doing illegal things in my club.

TiffTiff
03-27-2015, 03:22 PM
sorry, there are CLEAN dancers...they are few and far between. It would be a dancer that does no extras and never lets you lick her, grab her tits, finger her, etc. You will get a great lap dance from me, but hands off. no reason to touch me,

kirakonstantin
03-27-2015, 04:01 PM
^ So, boob touching = prostitution? Do you realize that you've just called a number of dancers on this forum whores?

Selina M
03-27-2015, 04:28 PM
TiffTiff, you just opened a huge can of worms. I've worked in clubs where boob grabbing and licking is normal, and dancers must either allow it or be insanely hot to make >$100 a shift. "Dirty" is a relative term. I don't know where you're from but it must be nice to be (presumably) making good money doing air dances and being able to be up on your high horse about girls allowing different contact to be "dirty".

Miss_Red
03-28-2015, 03:34 AM
There's boob touching in my club--hell, our club openly advertises it, it's part of our thing. It doesn't bother me. Is it somewhere on the "whore" continuum? Yes. If you are doing something that in some way, shape or form gets guys off, then you're in the sex industry, and the difference between you and an escort is a matter of semantics. I'm not better or worse than the escorts who work in my area, I've just drawn the line in a different place then they have.

I am AGAINST extras girls. Based on what I've read on here about 95% of girls on here are also against extras girls, and everyone responding to this is against extras girls. But calling them whores as an insult? Nah. It's *where* they're doing it, not *what* they're doing. The difference between TiffTIff's dance and my dance, and my dance and an escort's gig, is all on one big slippery slope called the sex industry.

Call extras girls bitches, cunts, awful, trashy, gross, etc, and it's all good with me. Calling them whores? Pot phoning kettle.

thisISbliss
03-28-2015, 08:32 AM
^How does one demonstrate commitment before spending.
Usually with small gestures
Buying you a drink
Giving you a SPECIFIC time to come back if he does turn you down etc.

Basically the guy is pretty specific clear and direct as opposed to vague and wishy washy. The more direct and clear the guy is the higher likelihood he's about to spend.