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thisISbliss
03-28-2015, 08:35 AM
But calling them whores as an insult? Nah. It's *where* they're doing it, not *what* they're doing. The difference between TiffTIff's dance and my dance, and my dance and an escort's gig, is all on one big slippery slope called the sex industry.

Call extras girls bitches, cunts, awful, trashy, gross, etc, and it's all good with me. Calling them whores? Pot phoning kettle.

That was brilliant! Like the best explanation I've heard as far as a clear cut stance on extras girls.

Odette
03-29-2015, 03:45 PM
I've worked in a lot of different clubs and I can say from personal experience that "dirty" and "extras" are indeed geographically variant. I'd say the best way to describe said terms would be "a dancer who provides services above and beyond what the normal/expected level of contact is for their particular club/region." For example: the club/city I work in now is much cleaner than the bars I worked in while I was in university (in another city). Here "extras" for a lot of girls are kissing, nipple sucking, and anything downstairs, and really excessive grinding. In the city I went to university in, 90% of the girls provided full sexual services ITC (handjob, blowjob, FS, etc), kissing, nipple sucking, and a customer grabbing your downstairs bits wouldn't have even been on a bouncers' radar. What is considered an "extra" in city A can be expected in city B. As a result if you didn't want to provide sexual services to clients, or meet their "expectations" and still make money, you needed to not only have great sales skills and be hot, but also figure out ways to compete with them in the "getting off" category vis a vis a lot of grinding, or whatever you were comfortable with. This is when I invented the "boobie grind". When I moved to the cleaner city I was relieved that customers didn't expect as much contact, and that I could do far less "work" for more money, here you can pretty much just lay on top of them for songs at a time without doing much. Such different environments. No pressure to do sexual services AT ALL in comparison to 50% of the guys you talk to asking you for a bj. Extras girls have no respect for the other girls that work in their bar and don't adapt their dance styles to suit the norms of the club they are at when they are coming from higher contact regions. In my opinion a lot of the girls like this that come into clean bars and "ruin" the customer base are working harder not smarter...they don't realise that they don't have to do more than the norm to make money and also that by doing so they are forever going to have to continue doing more, and so will everyone else. Very similar to how fast fashion chains are ruining good quality clothing brands. People will now forever expect trendy, cheap clothing, and bitch when they can't get it. There's "extras" in every industry and they're all not marketing their businesses in a sustainable manner is what it comes down to.

Selina M
04-01-2015, 11:44 AM
Extras girls have no respect for the other girls that work in their bar and don't adapt their dance styles to suit the norms of the club they are at when they are coming from higher contact regions. In my opinion a lot of the girls like this that come into clean bars and "ruin" the customer base are working harder not smarter...they don't realise that they don't have to do more than the norm to make money and also that by doing so they are forever going to have to continue doing more, and so will everyone else. .

THIS. I went from a high contact dive where guys expected tit grabbing in $10 floor dances (ick), to a lower contact club where it's only normal in VIP... after working day shift for a while, and being one of the "clean" girls (many day girls allowed pussy touching and hand jobs), I started staying until 10:30. One night I took a guy to VIP and he was all excited that he could touch me; turns out that most night shift girls DON'T allow a lot of touching. I was horrified and immediately adjusted my contact levels, lest I become the "extras" girl on that shift and ruin the contact levels for everybody.

Christina2013
04-07-2015, 07:08 PM
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)

1. Talk dirty

2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.

3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!

4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.

5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.

I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.

Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)

I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.

I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.

Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.

NightGoddess
04-08-2015, 11:37 AM
^I work in a lapdance only club and also sell my time by the hour or half hour for those of us who do not work in an area with rooms.

Selina M
04-08-2015, 02:19 PM
^ That. You gotta get creative with certain club structures. Our "private" option is a $40 entry fee, and it's not a popular sell bc we have blue collar guys, who just want the most dances for their $$. They're happy with the semi-private $20 area. With these guys, the sale becomes about value, so I tell them the DJ cuts songs and doing 15 mins for $100 is a better deal, when in fact it's not (sometimes they only get 4 songs), but I'm still guaranteed that $100 and they can't quit after 3 songs bc I'm not "dirty" enough.
In a different club where the guys DO want to feel like hot shit bc they can afford a champagne room, you can change your approach.

A creative approach I thought was smart that tacks onto the 'added value' thing and also works when you don't have true VIP rooms is to do "½ hour including drinks". Raise your price slightly to compensate for the couple drinks, and arrange with the waitress to have a tab for you. You still get that chunk of guaranteed $$, the guy thinks he got a great deal.

xxxGothBarbie
04-08-2015, 11:15 PM
^ These last few responses are right on spot! Esp selling dances in time frames if vip rooms aren't available at your club, very smart! I personally ALWAYS push for the champange room upfront , some guys go & some don't , it's the nature of the game. I tell myself that so I don't stress too hard when hustling bc if I do, I end up coming off way too desperate & we all know that guys don't respond well to that shit :) I also stay to myself on the floor at all possible bc that appears more mysterious & approachable than sitting in a circle with other girls lounging around the couches & chatting or whatever, that def looks seedy & unappealing to fresh faces that walk thru the door.

SummerBlaze
04-12-2015, 05:42 PM
I am a camgirl and not a stripper but I think as women we can only speculate why men like or don't like certain things, hell they don't even know why. We have different way of judging and categorizing women then men do so what we notice they may not and they may notice things we don't.

A women can be crazy sexy and drip sex appeal but not necessarily be a conventional beauty. It could be the sound of her voice, her smile, the arch of her back, the way she moves, the way her tits are shaped or sit or even the way she smells (think pheromones)

beauty is subjective and the adult industry is a fantasy land, If a guy wants to imagine getting a lap dance from his neighbor, kids school teacher or the lady at the post office he is gonna go with someone who fits that image. I think guys often associate being "hot" with being very sexually adventurous and aware and so they expect overtly sexual behavior from girls who look the part, plain Jane being overtly sexual plays into the fantasy that one day any of the everyday women they crush on or fantasize about will suddenly beg to worship there cocks.

It could also be she has a nice girl vibe and you have a mean girl vibe. Because everything is subjective when it comes to beauty, you may see her as being "a raggedy thing" or "have an annoying voice, bad posture, a mop on her head" but that may not be aligned with everyone's idea of what is ugly or beautiful. It could be that you are hard on yourself and a perfectionist so her successes perplex you to the point of dislike and annoyance, and then everything about her would be seen negatively. Saying she is a 5 only tells me that is your idea of where she is rated or your idea of what you think men would rate her based on what you think men find attractive.

catlover0106
04-17-2015, 02:36 AM
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)

1. Talk dirty

2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.

3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!

4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.

5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.

I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.

Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)

I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.

I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.

Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.


#2 is what I do and what works for me. I talk to every single person. I don't drink or smoke, I never have. I didn't realize it could be an advantage, but it really has been for me. I get guys when other girls are on their cigarette breaks or taking shots or chatting with each other or whatever. I hear girls so many times saying they need to drink to dance or whatever. I personally don't like alcohol. If a guy offers me a drink I either ask for water or use #3 and say I don't want a drink I just wanted your company honestly because I saw you were alone, cute, whatever reason I can play to flirt with them and bring up a dance. And she is right do not go in the back to fix your hair, makeup whatever unless you really need to. Sure make yourself look good before you get there, but once you're out let it go.. The guys are drunk, it's dark, it's more important you talk to them than look 100% perfect. No one is gonna buy a dance from you when you are in the back fixing your hair again. Also I basically always ask for a dance. Even if the guy seems completely disinterested in me when talking, for example not even looking at me, insulting me, saying he hates strip clubs whatever. You have nothing to lose you so you might as well ask. You'd be surprised it's not rare at all for these guys you are sure will say no to surprise you and say yes, so you might as well try.

Pretty much everything she wrote is true. The aggressive thing too. I've kept asking and kept being friendly and bubbly and gotten dances from guys who say they never get dances. At very least say "well let me know if you change your mind" before you move on. One guy who said no I came back and asked again a couple times if he was sure, I would've and should've moved on to someone else but there was no one left, the other girls had given up and were in the dressing room. He did not get a dance, but he tipped me 20 bucks to stop asking lol. So my point is if you want the most money possible do not give up or go drink, chill in the dressing room, talk to friends, there is no money in the dressing room or in that stuff, but there is always hope if you keep trying.

Also you mentioned you came in already looking good then put some more touches on. One thing that has worked for me is coming in already looking good or coming in early and going straight out so that I'm the first or one of the first ones out on the floor. That way I snag guys while the other girls are all still getting ready or have not even arrived yet, so I have little to no competition.

Also in terms of never talking breaks I do what I think of as planting seeds when I know I'm about to dance in like two or three minutes and don't have time to hustle a dance. Instead of just sitting around I go up to someone and introduce myself make small time for that minute or two then they call my name and I say "that's me I have to go dance, but it was great to meet you. you should watch me dance, perhaps when I get off when can talk some more and have some fun."

Also texting and/or calling all your customers to come in before your shift. This has gotten me dances and rooms and I'm sure the other girls wondered how, it was because I called them in advance. Even with one guy a lot of the girls were friends with and came in regularly I would call him so he would come in for me. A lot of girls aren't brave enough to give out their real number, but remember worst case scenario you can always block them.

catlover0106
04-17-2015, 02:36 AM
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)

1. Talk dirty

2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.

3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!

4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.

5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.

I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.

Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)

I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.

I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.

Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.


#2 is what I do and what works for me. I talk to every single person. I don't drink or smoke, I never have. I didn't realize it could be an advantage, but it really has been for me. I get guys when other girls are on their cigarette breaks or taking shots or chatting with each other or whatever. I hear girls so many times saying they need to drink to dance or whatever. I personally don't like alcohol. If a guy offers me a drink I either ask for water or use #3 and say I don't want a drink I just wanted your company honestly because I saw you were alone, cute, whatever reason I can play to flirt with them and bring up a dance. And she is right do not go in the back to fix your hair, makeup whatever unless you really need to. Sure make yourself look good before you get there, but once you're out let it go.. The guys are drunk, it's dark, it's more important you talk to them than look 100% perfect. No one is gonna buy a dance from you when you are in the back fixing your hair again. Also I basically always ask for a dance. Even if the guy seems completely disinterested in me when talking, for example not even looking at me, insulting me, saying he hates strip clubs whatever. You have nothing to lose you so you might as well ask. You'd be surprised it's not rare at all for these guys you are sure will say no to surprise you and say yes, so you might as well try.

Pretty much everything she wrote is true. The aggressive thing too. I've kept asking and kept being friendly and bubbly and gotten dances from guys who say they never get dances. At very least say "well let me know if you change your mind" before you move on. One guy who said no I came back and asked again a couple times if he was sure, I would've and should've moved on to someone else but there was no one left, the other girls had given up and were in the dressing room. He did not get a dance, but he tipped me 20 bucks to stop asking lol. So my point is if you want the most money possible do not give up or go drink, chill in the dressing room, talk to friends, there is no money in the dressing room or in that stuff, but there is always hope if you keep trying.

Also you mentioned you came in already looking good then put some more touches on. One thing that has worked for me is coming in already looking good or coming in early and going straight out so that I'm the first or one of the first ones out on the floor. That way I snag guys while the other girls are all still getting ready or have not even arrived yet, so I have little to no competition.

Also in terms of never talking breaks I do what I think of as planting seeds when I know I'm about to dance in like two or three minutes and don't have time to hustle a dance. Instead of just sitting around I go up to someone and introduce myself make small time for that minute or two then they call my name and I say "that's me I have to go dance, but it was great to meet you. you should watch me dance, perhaps when I get off when can talk some more and have some fun."

Also texting and/or calling all your customers to come in before your shift. This has gotten me dances and rooms and I'm sure the other girls wondered how, it was because I called them in advance. Even with one guy a lot of the girls were friends with and came in regularly I would call him so he would come in for me. A lot of girls aren't brave enough to give out their real number, but remember worst case scenario you can always block them.

Aurora_Sunset
04-17-2015, 07:32 AM
Also texting and/or calling all your customers to come in before your shift. This has gotten me dances and rooms and I'm sure the other girls wondered how, it was because I called them in advance. Even with one guy a lot of the girls were friends with and came in regularly I would call him so he would come in for me. A lot of girls aren't brave enough to give out their real number, but remember worst case scenario you can always block them.

The only issue I have with giving out my real number is that I used to do this for a few regulars at my first club and I told them specifically that if they wanted to reach me, to text me, not call. When they would call - guess what they would get if I was busy and didn't answer? My real full name on my outgoing voicemail message. And any douche who calls when I specifically told him not to, is not someone I want to have my real full name. It became a problem with 2 different guys before I stopped doing this.

However, google voice is free and a great option that I now use for work! I had some issues with it back in the day on my old phone, which is why I didn't have it for awhile. But now, I love it!

tiffany_twisted
04-26-2015, 10:11 AM
I'm loving the psychological profiling in this thread.

One way I've seen THAT girl hustle customers was with the "Sad Girl Hustle." Sits down next to a customer and basically talks about how bad her life is, how she's only at work because she has bills to pay, her computer's broken, she shouldn't even be here because she's injured etc. I'm not sure WHY this works - I guess it has something to do with men feeling needed or like they're contributing to something?

I knew one girl who was living in her hometown, happily married with her newborn baby, but saved pictures on her phone of her baby to show clients. If she asked them to go for a dance and they said no, she would tell them that she'd love to stay and chat but she had a baby to feed, and she said that the majority of the time men would change their minds and take her for a dance! She would tell them a sob story about how she was from out of town, living alone with her baby because the father was crazy, etc etc etc.

I definitely don't think this hustle works everywhere/all the time, and I still see THAT girl everywhere and I have no idea WTF is going on. But the Sad Girl Hustle has definitely been the answer in some cases.

Selina M
04-26-2015, 10:18 AM
I have to check back in to this thread. The 2 girls at my club that were "that girl"... well, I've had multiple of my regulars tell me that Girl A has tried to hustle them and offers extras, and Girl B I have seen it myself (not QUITE extras per se, but making out with customers and allowing them to touch her pussy counts to me).
So yeah. Mystery solved in my club at least.

It's hard to not automatically assume "those" girls are doing extras when every time I investigate their hustle, they are offering some kind of contact well above what is legal either via city or club laws.

ImmoralAllure
04-26-2015, 06:30 PM
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Eban'ko
04-26-2015, 06:58 PM
I once thought this about a girl, she would make BANK a top earner. Turns out she just had an au naturel pussy. Hair everywhere.

Ewww. Ugh.

TiffTiff
04-26-2015, 09:20 PM
Ok, what do you all consider EXTRAS at your club????

I specifically worked at a "clean" club where all dances were out in the open. There was not even any kissing or tit grabbing going on. But I was old, burned out, no tolerance for being touched anymore. That is the club I called the girl a whore. She could have gone to any club near me and worked and did her extras or escort services.

Now I work at a club that lets a little bit go on, and there are specific places for specific things. The "clean" (yeah, I am using that term loosely) room is the $20 lap dance room where you can touch my butt or touch my boobs. Then there's the $40 you can lick my tits and finger me with my thong on room. Then there's the $150 hand job room facing away from the camera. Then there's the $350 shower room where the door locks and there's no cameras and it's a free for all. I call no one a whore there. If I ask a guy for a $20 dance and he wants a shower room, I go find a girl I think he will like and tip her off that the guy wants "everything" in the shower room.

To clarify...I feel extras are HJ's. BJ's and the like. If you grab my tits, that's not an extra IMO. That's me being lenient with the customer that I like or know & trust.

Selina M
04-26-2015, 09:28 PM
^ That would be an interesting thread idea, and we should take it there if the mods come in here and say so.

Do you allow all those things listed? Or is that just what guys expect in each place?

I allow boob touching with some customers and that's about the extent of it. Contrary to what some of the blue posters say about some of us ladies, that is the truth, I do not allow more contact than I let on on SW. I'm probably one of the cleanest dancers in my club, so I'm pleased with usually being in the top day/swing earners without doing anything more than that... and even when I make less than them, at least I wasn't doing illegal shit risking getting herpes for it.

TiffTiff
04-26-2015, 09:41 PM
yes, the club I'm at now has different rooms. All the low/no contact dancers stay in the lap dance room for $20-25. If you are willing to do HJ's you go to the $150 vip room. It's just the way the club works. And we all know what rooms have cameras and which don't. And yes, I allow boob and butt touching but the minute they go near my crotch I stop the dance. And never ever kissing on the lips.

zoezoebelle
05-17-2015, 11:11 AM
How long have you been working at that club versus the girl you mentioned? Sometimes dancers seem to just become part of the furniture; everyone knows and loves them already and they're almost like family to a lot of the men. There's a 45 year old woman in my club who's been there for 20 years. Some of her regular customers have been seeing her since she was my age. At that point it's like they have a best friend and they don't want anybody to get in the way of their hangout time.

BarbieNYC
05-19-2015, 09:49 PM
I once thought this about a girl, she would make BANK a top earner. Turns out she just had an au naturel pussy. Hair everywhere.

Lol this reminds me of a clean girl at my dirty dirty dirty extras lap dance club who was a top earner.

She was a thick girl and pretty plain looking. Didn't really stand out when you walked in the club. Sweet as can be and she could stack dances like no other and they were super clean! Like air dances and a little bit of light grinding. She could walk up to any guy and close the sale. even if it was the guy who only liked petite girls, or Asian girls, or tall girls. She could get anyone!

Well she had a very musky, strong scent. Whenever I lent her clothes, I would just let her keep them because her smell stayed on them so strongly. She would hug me and I'd have to give myself a strong hand sanitizer bath to get it off my skin and clothes. She was a clean girl and would come to work freshly showered, but something about her natural scent was so off putting to the girls in the DR.

But I really think her natural musky scent was the reason for her being able to do so well. While it may have been bad to us girls, I'm pretty sure it was super enticing to men. Like she must've had some crazy pheromones or smelled like sex to them or something.

I really think there's some truth to pheromones because I've tested them out recently and have been able to stack dances in urban clubs. which is unheard of considering u can get most girls to twerk on you for a couple of dollars. I'm going to keep using the pheromones cuz it's making my job a little easier

Neonsugar
05-20-2015, 01:24 AM
What pheromones are you using love ?

Neonsugar
05-20-2015, 01:26 AM
Also there's a girl like that at my club. She's definitely not ugly, but very plain looking with a little extra belly fat and a "plain" looking body. She's always next to me when we do dances and I over hear her saying "ohh come play with me in the champagne room" I work in a VERY clean club cameras everywhere btw and when they ask what they get in there she says "I don't kiss and tell what happens in tbere stays in tbere ;)" in a little baby cutesy voice and she asks EVERYONE and always banks ugh maybe I'll try her approach lol

zoezoebelle
05-20-2015, 09:05 AM
But I really think her natural musky scent was the reason for her being able to do so well. While it may have been bad to us girls, I'm pretty sure it was super enticing to men. Like she must've had some crazy pheromones or smelled like sex to them or something.

I really think there's some truth to pheromones because I've tested them out recently and have been able to stack dances in urban clubs. which is unheard of considering u can get most girls to twerk on you for a couple of dollars. I'm going to keep using the pheromones cuz it's making my job a little easier

Musky = testosterone = higher sex drive. I have to bring a heavy duty deodorant stick to work because most deodorants can't hide my B.O. xD I shower every morning and am a very clean person, but my pits smell like a man's. A lot of customers tend to get really excited after they smell my neck. It's weird too because I look like a cute, innocent 16 year old but a lot of people say that I "radiate sex." I am a nympho...

TiffTiff
05-22-2015, 06:05 PM
^ So, boob touching = prostitution? Do you realize that you've just called a number of dancers on this forum whores?
No I did not. I already clarified what a whore is, and I have nothing against prostitutes/escorts outside my club. If you want to get technical, we are all doing illegal things in lap dance rooms by exchanging money knowing a man is going to sexually grope us or we are grinding on their dick while they hope to ejaculate in their pants.
That being said, I no longer have to give air dances b/c my state & LBC has relaxed considerably over the years. I do have lines that I won't cross. I'm not on a high horse, as someone suggested, but I am married, and tit licking and fingering is cheating in my book. I don't care to witness it, but I'm way more OK with that than I am with the girls openly giving HJ/BJ and wiping semen on the curtains/chairs/floors.

Aurora14
05-31-2015, 07:05 PM
We have a new girl in the club. Bless her heart she is so awkward and naive. Has no dance rhythm, thinks making $50 is the best thing ever (this is her first job), I can only be around her for short spurts of time because she is like the energizer bunny. Sweetest girl ever. Just bless her heart.

Well, she kept getting dances all night. Like blowing me out of the water. I saw her heading to the back AGAIN and happened to make a comment to another dancer, "I need to know her secret! Is it because she talks to everyone forever? The red hair?" The other dancer replied, "That could be it. I know she got a bunch of dances earlier when I passed a guy off to her. I was not in the mood to deal with his stupidity tonight" That seems to be a common thing I've heard since then.

Some girls are that lucky (unlucky?).

kirakonstantin
05-31-2015, 09:59 PM
No I did not. I already clarified what a whore is, and I have nothing against prostitutes/escorts outside my club. If you want to get technical, we are all doing illegal things in lap dance rooms by exchanging money knowing a man is going to sexually grope us or we are grinding on their dick while they hope to ejaculate in their pants.
That being said, I no longer have to give air dances b/c my state & LBC has relaxed considerably over the years. I do have lines that I won't cross. I'm not on a high horse, as someone suggested, but I am married, and tit licking and fingering is cheating in my book. I don't care to witness it, but I'm way more OK with that than I am with the girls openly giving HJ/BJ and wiping semen on the curtains/chairs/floors.

You said, exactly, that clean dancers don't let customers "grab their tits." Insinuating that girls who do allow touching are dirty and doing extras. Right there on page 4. Contact levels vary greatly throughout the world and this is an international forum. Many dancers here don't work in air dance clubs and contact is not only legal, but expected.

You've used a lot of excuses for your judgmental attitude, on this thread and others that I can recall. Being married, being a mom, being an older dancer doesn't put you in any kind of position of superiority. While it's great that you've defined your own personal boundaries, it's not universal and denigrating others for not sharing your personal opinion is incredibly shitty and uncalled for.

Selina M
05-31-2015, 11:11 PM
You've used a lot of excuses for your judgmental attitude, on this thread and others that I can recall. Being married, being a mom, being an older dancer doesn't put you in any kind of position of superiority. While it's great that you've defined your own personal boundaries, it's not universal and denigrating others for not sharing your personal opinion is incredibly shitty and uncalled for.

I'm not trying to defend TiffTiff in any way, I don't appreciate being indirectly called a dirty dancer, but I have noticed that most older dancers fall on one of the extreme ends of the spectrum: they're either staunchly against ANY contact (because they were dancing 20 years ago when they could make $1000 on stage), or else they're full-blown dick suckers. I think she just falls on that one end and is not willing to adjust with the times :/

TiffTiff
05-31-2015, 11:41 PM
That was the butt plug thread you're referring to. I'm not opening up that disgusting can of worms again. I do not think I'm better than anyone else in this industry. I just can't tolerate the SEX in my clubs. Its not a brothel I work at. Its a strip club where I'm expected to dance for money. Thanks to management turning a blind eye, and the other dancers greed or lack of standards, I am now expected to behave like an escort in my clubs. Groping is the norm. Extras are the norm. I don't give a shit if a guy cums in his pants while I'm on his lap, but I'm not touching his dick, I'm not kissing and he's not licking or fingering me. Sorry you don't like that I have boundaries, but I'm not changing. Its my opinion that extras are the same as prostitution. Its my opinion that it doesn't belong in strip clubs and I'm entitled to my opinions just as everyone else is.

kirakonstantin
05-31-2015, 11:52 PM
Actually, it's not. It was the thread you posted about the drunk customer, where you used being a mother to claim moral high ground and shame other dancers who aren't willing to babysit customers.

What you're not understanding is that, while it's perfectly fine, commendable even, that you have standards, that doesn't mean that your way is the only right way and that it applies across the board. Nor does it give you the right to slut shame other dancers who have different standards and are operating legally for their area. PA is a hell of a lot different than AZ, which are both a hell of a lot different than WA state. Portland, a mere two hours away, is completely different than Seattle.

Nobody's upset that you have your boundaries. I'm pissed off that you think you can call other dancers whores if they have a different set of standards.

NightGoddess
06-01-2015, 02:35 PM
You set your own standards in this world, no one else can touch you if your boundaries are really that solid. I used to bank in an extras club and Iwouldn;t even let the guys touch my hips - I was consistently one of the top 5 earners every night in a brothel. No one has any power over you. If you think they do, that's your poor attitude.

zoezoebelle
06-01-2015, 03:36 PM
they're either staunchly against ANY contact (because they were dancing 20 years ago when they could make $1000 on stage), or else they're full-blown dick suckers. I think she just falls on that one end and is not willing to adjust with the times :/

Really? I haven't noticed this at all. Maybe it's just because I'm in a very high contact club, but we have girls all over the spectrum. Some don't allow much touching, some just allow tits, some will show off their pussy (even though it's a topless club), some give hand jobs, some give blowjobs, and a few of them will literally fuck people in the back. I've had a few customers ask me to "find them that girl who gives blowjobs" lol because they forget who it is (good luck with that dude). But there are enough clean customers for me to still get my money doing low contact or just tits (which is legal here).

Selina M
06-01-2015, 03:51 PM
I was saying older dancers tend to be like that IME. I agree with you otherwise though, the girls in their 20s and 30s are all over the board.

Tourdefranzia
06-11-2015, 11:36 AM
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)

1. Talk dirty

2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.

3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!

4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.

5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.

I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.

Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)

I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.

I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.

Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.

Quoting because this is the best hustle advice I've seen in a long, long time.

kirakonstantin
06-11-2015, 02:49 PM
^^ This is generally pretty solid advice, especially the stuff about not worrying about calling boyfriends and being present and ready to hustle. I have my perch where, if I don't have my next target lined up, I'm watching behavior and deciding who to go after next.

Being super aggressive doesn't work for me personally. I already intimidate the living hell out of most SC customers and adding to that just puts them off. Instead, I've tailored my hustle to disarm that and to bond with them quickly.

We don't have blocks of time, but I've started selling them anyway, because it's easier and hides the VIP cover. The VIP host knows that if I tell him that we'll be going back for X time, that I'll pay the VIP cover afterward.

Dirty talk backfires in my club. Some customers will expect to get that and more, either in VIP or OTC. I have a line that works 95% of the time and, if it doesn't lead into a VIP, I'll get 2+ floor dances at least.

Every club is different but almost every club is going to be workable for a good hustler who can think on her feet and adapt to the environment. As long as there are asses in seats, I can drain wallets.

wednesday86
06-19-2015, 12:24 AM
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)

1. Talk dirty

2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.

3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!

4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.

5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.

I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.

Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)

I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.

I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.

Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.

This is the best advice eVAR! Can't say enough good things about asking for VIP/CR FIRST! I started doing this with just about every customer and even if they don't do a room they WILL get a dance or two. I start with the highest first ($400 CR) and go down the list. Suddenly a $150 1/2 hour doesn't seem like such a bad deal! A lot of them will do a room just because you asked. Don't assume because they look poor they won't spend the money. I did a 1/2 hour today with this kid who worked at a grocery store. Lol! 99% of the time they will spend money on you. Can't believe it took me this long to figure this out.

TiffTiff
06-26-2015, 01:00 PM
I'm not slut shaming anyone. I don't like extras. I don't like blatant SEX going on in the lap dance room. It is illegal in all of the 50 states. Sex in exchange for money is prostitution. I don't think it belongs in a strip club. It belongs in a brothel or escort service. I'd even settle for it being at a massage parlor. I don't come to work to see guys dicks getting sucked or sit in globs of cum in a dark room. I know "extras" are the norm, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I draw the line at tit groping. You might draw the line at getting finger banged. Fine. To each their own. But don't fuck and suck in my club or I will call you a whore. Start an escort service or work at a massage parlor. Dick sucking does NOT belong in the club.

Lenore
11-19-2015, 06:05 PM
I have a friend who is ALWAYS a top earner... She's pretty, but rarely the "prettiest " in the club & she isn't overly friendly to anyone except actual friends. I can tell you that she carries herself like a queen. She keeps her focus on making $$$. As soon as someone lays $ down on the rack, she sweeps it off onto the floor nonchalantly and they immediately lay more down. Men seem to be entranced by her p*ssy lol! She is confident, knows her worth and isn't afraid to go after it. She doesn't do "extras" she just keeps focused on the $$$ and she makes it! She's been the very top earner and Dancer of the month many times working less hours than other girls. She's good. I'm happy for her. She's got "it."

Valayna_D
12-14-2015, 03:00 PM
Here's the secret: (But your not going to want to do it)

1. Talk dirty

2. Be super aggressive. Do not take no for an answer.

3. Move fast on the floor. Move from guy to guy quick. ( don't go to the bathroom thinking that you can get that guy in one more song. don't worry about your smoke breaks or what your hair and makeup looks like. true hustlers are not wasting time worrying about their next cigarette or calling her boyfriend right now to argue with them. a real hustler is always eyeing there next victim and as always plotting a new way to get into VIP or champagne!

4. Ask for vip champagne room upfront. Do not ask for a dance.

5. Be flirty and joke with them. Be personable.

I personally am super aggressive and I talk about champagne room and vip first. I push and push it.

Obviously if a girl is in champagne all night she is pushing it. It is very rare a guy walks in and is going to ask me for champagne. (It has happened tho)

I think some people are just going to always be better at closing the big sale. You know the $500 champagne room.

I can make money in any type of club as long as there is a real true VIP or champagne room. what I mean by real and true is not a VIP where you pay $20 to get in and $20 a song. I'm talking about big money. Chunk money where you charge a guy five, six, seven hundred dollars for an hour that's what I'm good at.

Any girl can get a lapdance. How many can regularly close the big deals? That's the trick.

You DAMN RIGHT! Honestly this is the best piece of advice IN ANY BUSINESS. It's a numbers game folks! Sales is all about pushing people through the pipeline and CLOSING. You close by simply asking. I struggle with this too from time to time but here's the formula 1) approach and contact 2) pitch -- sell the benefits of VIP 3) close the deal -- don't ask. JUST TELL THEM we are going to VIP. If you do this quickly you can save time. It's no different than sales in the real world.

daniella_maria
12-28-2015, 10:10 PM
I am not a stripper, Im a pornstar and a cam girl but I can tell you how these women bank. Its a very simple formula that has nothing to do with make-up, hair or what your wearing. Its all about a mans EGO.

Men are simple creatures. Just little boys in big boy clothes who dont want to be the last to get picked for a baseball game with their peers. They want to be first! (Freud is the king of how what we want controls our behaviors if you want to understand this deeper go check out his work.) That girl who is banking is stroking egos more often then she is stroking cocks! She makes a man feel like she recognizes how great he knows he is and his wallet just pops open. If it doesnt pop open all she has to do is take a jab at his ego (To cheap to buy a lady a drink?) and he will immediately give her the cash to feel back on top.

I have a rule, I try to never answer the question "How are you?" When a guy asks me this I ignore it and talk about him. It takes some practice but once you get started its easy to master! Things that work are "Your a trendy dresser arent you?" "Did you Change your hair?" "Didnt I see you here last night?"
I love to ask questions cause that keeps them talking to you. My questions are normally aimed at cam customers and guys in porn so I dont know what I would say if I was a stripper (the examples above are really cheesy for this reason) but I do know that formula works!

When you get yourself to a 9 or a 10 do it cause it makes you feel good and sexy dont ever do it cause you think it will draw a man to you. Men are drawn to everything that might potentially have sex with them, it doesnt mean they will try to get it. You have to get to their Ego!

Your attitude should be "I'm the hottest thing in this club and this guy deserves me" with every single man you talk to. You can leave that at the door when your shift is over and pick it back up the next day if you like but thats the secret to getting a guy to spend on you!
this! this is gold!

Gia2608
01-07-2016, 07:30 PM
I'm not slut shaming anyone. I don't like extras. I don't like blatant SEX going on in the lap dance room. It is illegal in all of the 50 states. Sex in exchange for money is prostitution. I don't think it belongs in a strip club. It belongs in a brothel or escort service. I'd even settle for it being at a massage parlor. I don't come to work to see guys dicks getting sucked or sit in globs of cum in a dark room. I know "extras" are the norm, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. I draw the line at tit groping. You might draw the line at getting finger banged. Fine. To each their own. But don't fuck and suck in my club or I will call you a whore. Start an escort service or work at a massage parlor. Dick sucking does NOT belong in the club.

Prostitution is not illegal in all 50 states. Prostitution is legal in parts of NV and last I checked RI as long as it was conducted indoors. I believe this law was overturned but then repealed although I could be wrong as I am not an attorney just yet. I agree with you that dick sucking does not belong in the club; however the fact that one dancer does not do extras and another feels the need or is ok with doing them does not make her a better stripper and or person. No woman should ever call another woman a whore. Why?? Because if we do it to each other it makes it ok for men and society as a whole do it. If women would spend half the time lifting each other up as we do tearing each other down we would likely see an end, or certainly a decrease in (no particular order): wage disparity, un reported sexual assault for fear of victimization *esp. on college campuses and in the military, domestic violence and gender discrimination. So- go ahead and call another woman a whore But remember every time you do that, a co-ed was just raped and is scared to go to campus police because she fears being called the same thing.


Rant likely not over...

simone87
01-09-2016, 05:03 PM
Gendered insults are fucking gross, and for some reason more socially acceptable than racial slurs, where both are absolutely rank. I don't get it.
Ok on topic! I was just talking to my bf about a girl he got a few dances with before he met me, and wth it was about her...I'm not "hating" but the fact remains that her teeth were in need of a few thousand dollars in dental care and she looked " a lot older". But she always made good money, even on day shift. And this was a high end club full of very hot young strippers. His reply was just " idk, she puts you In a trance, she's a money vacuum" after prying a bit more he said she very subtly moves her body closer, touches your arm/shoulder/neck etc lightly, does intense eye contact and then looks down, talks in this breathy voice and gives compliments that guys genuinly believe..idk it was interesting because she was a perfect example

xxxGothBarbie
02-05-2016, 03:55 PM
^ Thats rad! I'm totally trying that when I return to work in a new club somewhere.

tigershoes
02-08-2016, 12:24 AM
I worked with "THAT girl" at a club years ago, for several months. The first night I went in, I saw her roll up with no makeup, hair up and in a hoodie. Now, none of us look that glamorous in sweats, but she looked so plain that I legitimately thought she was the cleaning lady!

Good thing I didn't mention it to anyone. It quickly turned out that a couple of hours with hair and makeup transformed her, and she was in fact the club's most consistent high earner. She did it by being incredibly entertaining, fun, and energetic. She used her times on stage to build rapport with one guy she would pick out of the crowd, and she didn't care if he was initially shy or reluctant to engage with her. She put on a big show directed at him, and he would have needed huge balls to ignore her or walk away in our small club - besides which, she was providing him with the over-the-top experience that really makes your night and gives you a good story to tell afterward. If she wasn't on stage, she hustled each guy in the same way - like she was the star and stopping by to give them an exclusive invite to backstage. When she was in VIP (not private and we could all see each other), she was still laughing and entertaining and drawing him out even as she danced.

And though I said earlier that hair and makeup "transformed" her, what they really did was make her look like a decent stripper. She was thin and toned but didn't have the longest legs or the best ass, her face was just average, her boobs were big but they were the old-school hard salines, and she was definitely on the other side of 40. Her competitors were usually way younger/prettier/etc - but customers took her to VIP because she pushed for it and promised fun and excitement. She definitely put a cork in my baby stripper assumptions that the hottest girls always make the most money, and taught me that stripping is a SALES job!

IndigoCat
02-08-2016, 02:28 AM
She props is meeting with them outside the club or something when ever a girl is banking and I get all upset and delouse more times than not I find out that girl is "cheating" as I call it and doing something extra.

lailaroo
02-27-2016, 09:36 AM
Ok so this INCREDIBLY frustrates me. Without sounding egotistical, I get told I'm 'too gorgeous' for a private dance. I'm too charming, too polite, and that I 'don't belong there and should be a model'. I explain, I AM a model, but my modelling work doesn't pay even CLOSE to what stripping pays. They don't get it. My friend says they are likely intimidated. It's not like I'm a Victoria Secret model, and with the hot guys, it works... they happily pay for a dance, and they have a great time. But the less attractive guys (which IMO, 80% of guys are), they tell me I'm the most gorgeous girl there but then they get all shy and oh maybe later when I try to close my sale. It's incredibly frustrating because it's not like I'm saying blah blah I'm hot why am I not getting dances, because I DO get dances (I made $630 last night, although the club takes 50 percent so I do make bank) however compared to some of the other girls in there, I don't make bank. I'm slim and athletic with 34E fake boobs and a squat butt so I'm a barbie stripper and I do have a magnetic personality, cos guys pay money literally to just sit with me. But these girls making bank at my club are skinny, look like they're on meth and are VERY aggressive and almost bully the guys, as someone else mentioned. Sooooo frustrating! But yet a girl like this who essentially bullies the men make more than a good looking girl who is friendly, funny, chatty and flirty with a genuine interest. Don't get it :/

tigershoes
02-27-2016, 03:17 PM
^^^ Do you show through words and actions that you feel that these customers are sexy and desirable? The older and grosser they are, the more reassurance they need that you truly want to jump their bones. They don't want to go to the lapdance room feeling like a foolish old guy who isn't good enough for the model on his lap. They want to go there thinking, "Gosh, it's TRUE that young women love older men!" as you make them feel more wanted than they have in years. If you are super hot, you unfortunately need to put in more work to make that believable. Eye contact (eye fucking) works best, so does leaning into and subtly enjoying their touch, even if you guys are just holding hands at his table. No matter who they are, they want to be able to imagine you having sex with them with genuine desire (I know you're just offering lapdances, but their fantasies will go well beyond that).

arielbriel
02-27-2016, 06:24 PM
Piggybacking off of tigresses: ^ I always ask them their age or guess their age at least 5 years below what I actually think it is. And then I comment that I love older men, that I won't date anyone below 30-35 whatever is closest to their age. You have to make them feel genuinely wanted.

lailaroo
02-27-2016, 06:54 PM
Piggybacking off of tigresses: ^ I always ask them their age or guess their age at least 5 years below what I actually think it is. And then I comment that I love older men, that I won't date anyone below 30-35 whatever is closest to their age. You have to make them feel genuinely wanted.

Thanks for the advice girls! Yeah I totally do this. The whole 'I love older men' thing, and they seem to buy in to it. Like they end up asking me out and stuff. Which then provides the problem of they don't want dances, they want to dance me out. Ughhh!

Melyssax
04-14-2016, 02:03 AM
Ok, so you get to work, spend 30 minutes putting the final touches on your face and hair you already perfected at home and get into a gorgeous outfit for the night. You look like 9 or a 10 that night. And when you get on the floor, there is a plain looking girl, lets say she is a theoretical 5, no makeup, no figure, bad posture, annoying voice, whack outfit, and a fake ass mop on her head. You think to yourself, "what in the world?" and just move along and start talking and flirting with customers. You are nice, the customers like you, they tell you that you are gorgeous. But when you try to close dances, you are being turned down left and right. You look over and realize it's the 5th time you've seen that raggedy looking thing paying for multiple dances. What gives? This chick is turning them out like it's nothing making hundreds and you haven't even broken a ten yet. So, you look around and scan the other girls to see how they are doing and you conclude that "wig" is the only one making money. We have all seen it, but no one knows why it happens.

My theories range from: men think they can get her, they like being the one that's more attractive in an exchange for once, they think she is really interested in them, they think she will do extras, she puts off such a weird vibe that's it's a turn on. Of the guys that go to clubs, many of them are really weird so maybe they are attracted to that wacky vibe.

What do you guys think?

YES & lmaooo ... I have definitely worked with a few & it leaves me curious.

Transylvanian
04-23-2016, 12:54 AM
So there's this girl at my club, who is always making 3x the amount that everyone else is making. If everyone else made $400, she made $1200. Consistently. From talking to other girls at the club, it seems like she's just an extremely good hustler. She's much more aggressive than most of the girls and really pushes the VIP.

I really want to try being more like this because it seems to work. How does someone with a sort of nice girl/college student image hustle this way?