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Selina M
01-22-2015, 06:14 PM
So, it’s okay if you don’t agree with me but all I wanted to do was help and provide some insight you may want to consider and instead I get attacked with hostility… fucking unbelievable
Normally I wouldn’t mind on the other threads but this is a sensitive and important topic for me and not the time to be attacked
I didn’t even state that depression isn’t an illness, what I said was that perhaps we shouldn’t treat depression like it’s an illness and instead we should work towards FINDING HAPPINESS. And while I educate myself (already majored in occupational therapy, minored in psychology), learn how to read and understand my fucking post; if you would have did just that, you would understand that I’m trying to say that being loved and feeling loved by someone you love will help ease that depression.
I believe that there is someone out there that can bring us happiness and that’s where my soulmates analogy comes into play and I feel like we often dismiss men who can provide that for us.
A) You were not "attacked", it was merely pointed out that your first post came off as very ignorant and insensitive, and your second post was also rather insensitive. I'm surprised with it apparently being such a sensitive topic for you that you would write something that was so obviously irksome to people with the same illness. Now you're getting upset because the majority of this post disagrees with you, and suddenly we are the bad guys ganging up on you.
B) If it's an illness, why on earth would you not treat it like an illness? You can't heal cancer with love and sunshine and soulmates. Before you start splitting hairs about how positivity helps (yes, we get it, it does, nobody is denying that), physical illnesses, including those that are chemical imbalances, require actual treatment. Any psychiatrist would tell you that... a minor in psychology should have at least touched on it.
C) And all I'm getting from all this soulmate stuff is that the best cure for depression is to go out and actively seek a man that will provide you happiness. THAT grinds my gears... Sounds like a load of Disney princess nonsense. Yeah, it's great if you have that person, but you need to be able to be happy on your own without an SO. Again, sounds like you're pushing your dating woes on us. Also, side note, the easiest way to find a guy is to stop looking/caring.
michele11
01-22-2015, 06:35 PM
No in her first post she said she chased all those people away because of her obsession with looks or somethng to that matter. I've never been without a man since i was 15 until the last few years and I'm extremely better alone. I love being alone. I'm one of those people who is not tolerant of anything or anyone. Anyone here that's met me can tell you that. I personally won't sleep in the bed with anyone. my dream would be to have someone and only see them when I want and live in seperate houses. I'm like the man in relationships. So everybody doesn't want the same things in life.
lol1337a
01-22-2015, 07:21 PM
^^LOL. I thought I was bad enough for bringing up the idea of separate bedrooms in relationships. It never went over well... But yeah I'm totally the man too.
Also well articulated, Selina!
Sorry for the threadjack Whirlerz.
lol1337a
01-22-2015, 07:45 PM
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lol1337a
01-22-2015, 07:46 PM
^^Yep, I'm basically with my soulmate and each of us has experienced brutal depression and anxiety in the last year!
The support system helps -- in the sense that someone who loves you can do some of the things you can't (cleaning, food shopping, etc) -- but it doesn't make the feelings go poof.
sashafeminista
01-22-2015, 07:52 PM
Yes, I was dealing with some pretty bad depression for a while, it's gotten better lately but I totally understand where you're coming from... I found it so hard to go to work that I just took some time off, went away to visit parents for a couple of weeks and it helped. Do anything that makes you feel good, even the smallest things and try and leave the house if you can. I know it can be super hard though especially on really bad days! Know you're not alone and I'm here to chat if you need :) x
ScarletKitten
01-23-2015, 06:29 AM
I found this about ketamine treating depression: http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20140923/ketamine-depression
I never tried it, but am curious about the benefits.
Edit: I would not recommend ketamine b/c it is addictive & dangerous, (read the posts below.) I'm no longer interested. I'm happy with just the occasional cannabis.
britchick85
01-23-2015, 07:13 AM
I took ketamine almost everyday for over 2 years. I can imagine occasional use could have a positive effect but its worth mentioning that its an extremely addictive drug and frequent use can be highly damaging to physical and mental health.
I guess if you are being treated by doctors in a clinic its different from illegal, recreational use.
michele11
01-23-2015, 10:25 AM
^ isn't that what vets prescribe?
kassie
01-23-2015, 12:01 PM
"Ok I did not get offended by your post. JUst quoting what you said. You don't think people who have love, soul mates don't kill them selves. Movie stars are the perfect example. Also I was more depressed when I had a fiancee. I couldn't stand him constantly wanting to love on me and help me. If you had real, clinical depression, anxiety, ocd, you don't want anyone near you. Also now you say we are closed minded? So you are insulting us and expect people to not say anything back? I can't get out of bed either. I haven't taken a shower in 6 days or left the house. Know you are trying to make us feel sorry for you after you basically told us to just get over it and get soul mates. Really."
First of all, I’m still not getting why you think movie stars are the perfect example. You think because they are movie stars, that they have found true love? Of course not, because movie stars, or even celebrities in particular are often surrounded by people who would leave once the money is gone and that’s the kind of people who are toxic in your life. The sole purpose I mentioned (soulmates/true love) was because I believe that finding true love can help us ease our depression. What is wrong with that? Why is it such a bad thing to want to have true love? It’s more than just sex, but let’s face it, sex is a natural part of life. But it’s also about having someone around through rough times, sharing beautiful moments and experiences and having security. We all need someone, don’t we? I don’t know what your deal was with your finance but everyone’s situation is different, I’ve dealt with that in my past relationship but in my case I was suffocated by my ex, so I can understand where you’re coming from with that. I’m only trying to say that despite our circumstances and the way we feel, we should at least try to fight for and seek happiness. And I wasn’t trying to make anyone feel sorry for me, if that were the case, I would have written more in depth of what I experience in my daily life. I just wanted to clarify that I do understand the feeling and I’m going to fight through it, all I wanted to do was to give some ladies here my insight and what I’m doing to cope. And as for telling you to just get over it wasn’t what I was trying to say at all, all I was trying to stress was the importance of happiness. Now getting up and doing so, that’s another battle that I’m still working on myself but even understanding the importance of contentment and happiness in life has given me new found hope, I was just trying to do the same for you girls.
kassie
01-23-2015, 12:17 PM
A) You were not "attacked", it was merely pointed out that your first post came off as very ignorant and insensitive, and your second post was also rather insensitive. I'm surprised with it apparently being such a sensitive topic for you that you would write something that was so obviously irksome to people with the same
illness. Now you're getting upset because the majority of this post disagrees with you, and suddenly we are the bad guys ganging up on you.
B) If it's an illness, why on earth would you not treat it like an illness? You can't heal cancer with love and sunshine and soulmates. Before you start splitting hairs about how positivity helps (yes, we get it, it does, nobody is denying that), physical illnesses, including those that are chemical imbalances, require actual treatment. Any psychiatrist would tell you that... a minor in psychology should have at least touched on it.
C) And all I'm getting from all this soulmate stuff is that the best cure for depression is to go out and actively seek a man that will provide you happiness. THAT grinds my gears... Sounds like a load of Disney princess nonsense. Yeah, it's great if you have that person, but you need to be able to be happy on your own without an SO. Again, sounds like you're pushing your dating woes on us. Also, side note, the easiest way to find a guy is to stop looking/caring.
Well just as my post came out in a certain manner to some ladies, it seemed to me based on the nature of some of the post that I was attacked. I think you are still failing to realize that I am not upset on the disagreement in regards to my post, my problem is the way that disagreement is being directed towards me. If you think that other members calling my input “ignorant” and telling me to “educate myself” etc.. is a mere point out and not an attack, then all I have to say to you is that “it’s not about what you say, it’s about how you say it.
Second, yes psychology does touch on chemical imbalances but also in my adult aging and development class; which is on how older adults plan and prepare towards old age and death. I learned how important it is to seek being happy. They teach you that maximizing happiness involves stuff like exercising, leisure activities, having a support system, pretty much those who actively seek happiness will have a better chance on not developing severe mental illness which is triggered by stress and even depression. Of course treatment is always an option, all I’m trying to stress to you all is that we should try to get up and actively seek contentment WHATEVER AND WHEREVER IT MAY BE (had to capitalize it because many are focusing on the soul mate issue, which was only a part of my post and ignoring everything else) I'm just worried about what will happen to me if I continue down this path.
As for the soul mate issue, if you prefer to be alone that’s great, good for you. It’s great to have that option. I’ve been alone for quite a while now I and I’m ready to go out and seek companionship, with a genuinely great person, just a matter of looking. I’ve sheltered myself in my depression for so long, I just want to see what else is out there, besides my bed and the piles of dirty dishes besides it. Instead of insulting your input and disagreement, I’m going to open up my mind ven more, instead of getting hostile, offensive and disrespectful. Not that difficult….
Amira702
01-23-2015, 02:29 PM
I use yoga, chanting, meditation, and coloring mandalas to combat depression and anxiety.
lol1337a
01-23-2015, 04:51 PM
Getting back to the Ketamine --
I didn't go to the dr for it ($500 a session when I could easily get a bunch for less than 1/10th that) but did my best to keep it more medicinal than recreational.
I never actually k-holed (didn't feel the need) but I would take it once every few weeks as I was falling asleep. When I laid down with my eyes closed immediately ,after doing a line I'd feel kind of dreamy, time would dilate, I could get 'outside' my mind (on the road to ego-disintegration but not ever getting there), and it felt my mind was wobbling in a pleasant way.
I'd sleep VERY well that night and wake up feeling.. optimistic. Productive. Like my depression/anxiety happened to another person. Sadly, this boost would only last about a week for me, so it didn't work as a long-term antidepressant. I also refused to do this more than once every few weeks because it can cause urinary tract scarring (especially in women) and I was starting to feel symptoms.
It's been months since I last bothered. I'd do it again because it's incredibly effective in the short term, but it's not as effective as other things in the long run so my motivation of keeping a stash around has diminished.
ScarletKitten
01-23-2015, 05:15 PM
Yeah, I should have done more research before posting about ketamine. I didn't know it was addictive or dangerous! Sorry ladies. But thanks lol1337a for that info.
janesays22
01-23-2015, 05:34 PM
Hey Whirlerz- I understand what you're dealing with. I've dealt with awful bouts of depression off again/on again for most of my life. I haven't been medicated for over 10 years and each time it hits it feels like I have to find some new way of dealing. I am actually in the midst of a pretty bad state of it right now and these are the things that have helped me in the past or help me now:
-Herbs/homeopathy. I went today to a local herb shop & got both a tincture and a tea. The tincture is 'black cohosh' and the tea is a mix of 'rosemary/lemon balm/st johns wart/rose petal'. The way I'm going about it is I use the tincture in the moment I need it. I'm planning to drink the tea every day for coming weeks. St Johns wart & many other herb are sold in capsule or tincture from. Do a little research and get you some!
-Groups. Look for free local depression/mental health groups. Honestly just being able to sit in a room with people experiencing the same stuff and air out your thoughts is REALLY helpful. I always get a lot too out of hearing other people & how they've dealt with things.
-Exercise. I know it's hard go get out and I have the same trouble, but it can give you a little exercise high that will at least change your mental state for a moment. You can find free yoga videos on youtube or whatnot.
Hope it gets better for you!!!! I'm with you on this.
Flickdreams
01-23-2015, 06:55 PM
I've begun a word document and I copy/paste the inspiring quotes and advice I read over SW and put them in the document. It helps to read through and combat the feelings of isolation; even though you guys are on the other side of the world from me.
whirlerz
01-23-2015, 10:36 PM
Thanks Jane! Right now I have tincture of women's ginseng, Dong Quai. Going to try it;
Starling
01-24-2015, 07:14 AM
Whirlers, what about St John's wort supplements? I saw it in another thread and looked into it. It actually sounds like a pretty decent idea. But if you're on some other medications for depression, it can interact so better not to use it in that case.
Nina_
01-24-2015, 12:53 PM
I am not depressed, but I do get depressed when I have an anxiety flare up. I've had anxiety all my life, and sometimes I will have anxiety attacks that last for days and I can't eat anything and end up with a trashcan beside me all day, puking but mostly just dry-heaving because there's nothing left to puke up but stomach acid. It sucks because I have an abnormal hate/fear of throwing up so nausea ALWAYS accompanies my anxiety; anxiety nauseates me and being nauseated gives me anxiety so it's like a cycle. My last big anxiety spell was the end of last summer, lasted for a week and I lost 10 lbs. I was miserable.
I would like to find natural remedies for anxiety and nausea instead of pharmaceuticals with adverse effects and/or high potential abuse. I've taken many benzos for my anxiety (valium, klonopin, xanax) and xanax is by far the best at controlling my anxiety, short term. It's more potent and fast acting than most other benzos, and pretty much works as an anti-emetic in that it stops my vomiting. Even for things like hangovers. It literally works miracles but it has such high abuse potential, so while I get anxiety every day, I only take xanax under emergency situations. If I took a xanax every time I had anxiety I'd be taking it every day, and probably multiple times a day lol.
I've had Zoloft prescribed as a long term solution to my anxiety. It's also an anti depressant. It made my anxiety worse. It increased my nausea. Made me lose weight. Granted, I actually WAS depressed when I was on it. But I hated it.
michele11
01-24-2015, 02:25 PM
^ I get rebound anxiety from xanax. it has the shortest half life of all the benzos( thus why it's so adicting) valum has the longest. I take kolonopin. I know how you feel about throwing up. This last trip my anxiety was so bad I literally was gagging the whole time and running to the bathroom. Maybe ginger? It helped when I was preggers.
Nina_
01-24-2015, 02:48 PM
Thanks. Yeah I know all about the rebound anxiety and the short half-life. I have tried Klonopin and I enjoy that it lasts longer, but it simply isn't strong enough for my worst anxiety attacks. I could switch to Klonopin but I still feel there might be horrible panic attacks where Klonopin isn't as fast acting. And while the other benzos help calm me down, xanax is the only one that can truly eliminate my nausea, in my experience.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Flickdreams
01-24-2015, 03:10 PM
The gratitude thread ties in with this thread for me... activating the neural pathways which I have underused (perhaps) but when I tap into my gratitude I feel it glowing through my whole body ... https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?197853-The-quot-Today-I-m-Grateful-For-quot-Thread
michele11
01-24-2015, 04:04 PM
^ I think perhaps if I went to my mothers homeland ( Australia) it may help:). I promised her I'd take her and yes i travel all over the U.S. For work but haven't had a proper vacay in probably 20 years. If she'd only get on a plane for that long:'(
Flickdreams
01-24-2015, 04:09 PM
^ Yes, I live in a beautiful country. If you ever came over contact me to catch up. Maybe your mum needs to get a taste for travel first with a smaller trip? Besides, if you genuinely started planning the trip i'm sure her desire would ignite once you started involving her in the process!
michele11
01-24-2015, 06:04 PM
^If I buy the tickets I'll make her go. It's like 3000 just for the tickets. Lol.
she wolf
01-24-2015, 06:37 PM
It sounds cliche ( I want to kill ppl that say this lol) but exercise even walking stopped some of the physical aspects of anxiety for me. Also making sure my vitamin levels are where they should be. A lot of neurological symptoms stem from not getting enough of certain vitamins. I started taking vitamin d3 w/ calcium and it's helped some of my anxiety and depression. I'm too poor for meds so I've never taken any. Anxiety is the worse!!! I'll take my depression over it lol
whirlerz
01-24-2015, 07:06 PM
Yes!^ Walking is huge for me, & I way cut down on it, due to the weather. I walked a bit today. Sometimes I park my car (doing errands) further away, & make myself walk a bit more.
Dong Quai is different thant St John's Wort. I don't take any meds right now
Flickdreams
01-24-2015, 07:48 PM
Tell me about Dong Quai Whirlez.
Nina_
01-25-2015, 10:48 AM
With regard to the comments about walking, I agree. When I'm having a panic attack walking around is wayyy more therapeutic than just sitting there. I remember once I was was taking summer classes at my university and started having really bad anxiety in class and felt like I was gonna throw up so I left and just walked around campus for at least a good half hour. It was nice 'cause I walked to beautiful parts of the campus that I had never even seen before! And my anxiety went way down.
whirlerz
01-25-2015, 10:55 AM
Tell me about Dong Quai Whirlez.
Well, it helps w/pms & women's issues. Just be careful, as with any product. I got mine in a liquid tincture form (dropper) but I have only had capsules before. It's a Chinese herb. It can make you horny.
Not so much for depression, as more for women's issues.
The Natural Herbal Remedy for Women, is a great book. By Diane Stein, inexpensive on Amazon.
wednesday86
01-27-2015, 03:06 PM
Didn't read through the whole thread so I don't know if someone's mentioned this or not, but crafting really helps me get through depression, especially in the winter time. I took up hand sewing (mostly just using the blanket stitch) felt plushies and pillows. Supplies are inexpensive---most felt is under $1 a foot and thread is $1-$3. I learned from watching a couple youtube vids. I've also heard knitting is therapeutic and supposed to be one of the best crafts to help with depression, anxiety and ADD.
here's an article about it : https://www.yahoo.com/makers/ditch-the-prozac-take-up-crafting-108671160605.html