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miss.a.p1600
02-20-2015, 09:33 PM
Damn this is unreal.
Like you all mentioned had to be fucked up on drugs and / or just plain ignorant idiots!
How the hell you produce milk for some strange men online but can't feed your own baby with said milk? Her priorities were all fucked up. Somebody should have snatched off her lactating titties and used them to smack some sense into her trifling ass.
And how the hell she starve the baby but feeds her 2 year old?
Yeah they need to be ushered one way ticket to the clink and I don't think they take to kindly to child murderers there either.
LaylaLovely
02-20-2015, 09:39 PM
I feel bad for the 2 year old he had to survive 2 years with those crazy fuckers... Who knows what he endured!!
In the article it says they fed him a few times a day... A 7 week old baby is suppose to eat every 2-3 hours ,day and night!!! And even more if he had other complications like bieng premature/anemia
ScarletKitten
02-21-2015, 01:03 AM
I was so upset from all this shit I had to tell my husband about it. This story is seriously one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard in my entire life. And I've seen some shit.
My faith in humanity has dropped a little because of this. BTW, the husband looks like a young version of Charles Manson. CREEPY AS FUCK! And what was he doing the whole time? I get the feeling he was just getting high all day, doing nothing, as his wife worked on cam. I could be wrong. Just the feeling I get.
It's a miracle their 2-year-old even survived this long.
I hope they both rot in prison.
audritwo
02-21-2015, 08:14 AM
Sadly the only good thing that came out of this tragedy, is that their two year old is far away from them now. I hope he gets put in a good home and not turn out like his shitstain parents
sammii
02-21-2015, 08:50 AM
What the fuck? I just found the Twitter. I can't believe she posted a picture of her baby and said "you will be missed" as if it's some acquaintance that passed away. Wow ... That's horrible. I hope their son ends up okay and not in some shitty foster home situation.
PlayfulDesire
02-21-2015, 10:37 AM
This makes My skin crawl! I have a 1.5 year who is still breastfeeding and I use milk in my shows. This shouldnt of happened. It didnt have to i've always had enough milk for both baby and shows plus I've donated milk to a local mom. Boobs are pretty much supply and demand. You demand milk your boobs make the milk.
I found her twitter. Idk how she could have the cam a thon breastfed babies feed A LOT. My heart aches for this poor little baby and the pain he must of been in.
justsometwat
02-21-2015, 10:41 AM
When she posted the blog on MGF, I was in shock. It's one thing to talk about losing a relative (father, mother, grandparents, etc), but to talk about losing your baby and post pictures of it, and it's name, and in the same sentence turn around and beg for money and offer cam shows all I can think is that it's only for attention.
You don't go from a death of your child to doing cam shows to pay bills and cremation expenses. If they were as well liked as they made it seem (and made ~$250/day?!?!) then surely there would be people that were close to them that would have offered to help without having to do shows, or hell maybe you have family members to help, or even get assistance through the cremation provider.
From what I saw from her (I've never talked to them directly, but watched things unfold on their twitter accounts) they were homeless for a while after being kicked out of their relative's house. They were up ALL night doing cam shows with other couples and they ALL looked very very very high on something. They were doing lots of threesomes/group sex types of things (nothing wrong with stuff like that, but where was the toddler and who was watching it while they did this?). They continued to buy cigarettes, but couldn't afford free healthcare or formula?! If I can't afford to feed my children/pets/etc then I am not going to be smoking and use that $5-$7/pack to buy food. They were constantly getting tattoos, even if a friend did it for cheap/free, why was this such a huge part of their life when they had two kids to take care of. It was constantly posts about them needing money to pay their bills.
Anyone that says (and there are people saying this on twitter) that they cared about the kid(s) didn't see all of the things that they were doing as wrong not only as parents, but as people in a horrible financial position.
Holy shit, I just found the picture of the baby. That's clearly a starving baby. How do you look at a baby like that and think it's okay?! I feel incredibly sad seeing this and you can see the despair in the child's eyes. Jesus fuck, just look at the rest of her tweets. She wanted money for a new laptop, for her "production company" for a $20,000 goal, had a wishlist for BDSM gear, etc. Where are your fucking priorities?
I can't, I can't even. I am done. I hope they get the death penalty.
bigbootyjudy1
02-21-2015, 12:44 PM
As a mother this hurts my heart.I got into camming to give my baby the best of everything.NOT THE OPPOSITE ,LIKE THESE SCUMBAGS.I guess they'll have a lot of time to think about it behind bars.DAMN THIS WORLD IS CRAZY SOMETIMES.Poor babies :( I pray the 2 year old finds a good home.
KimKlass
02-21-2015, 01:52 PM
It's trash like this "woman" who are the reason people are so often surprised that I, a cam girl, seem to be a decent human being.
This gave me literal chills. They both are worthless. I rarely say that about other human beings. But fuck.
Edit: Now that sentiment has been reinforced after seeing that horrifically sad picture of that poor baby. I have a question though. In that picture, the baby appears to be surrounded by medical equipment- I presume he was in the presence of medical professionals? HOW THE FUCK WAS HE ALLOWED TO LEAVE WITH THAT CUNT WHEN HE LOOKED LIKE THAT?
SarahTime
02-21-2015, 03:54 PM
It's trash like this "woman" who are the reason people are so often surprised that I, a cam girl, seem to be a decent human being.
This gave me literal chills. They both are worthless. I rarely say that about other human beings. But fuck.
Edit: Now that sentiment has been reinforced after seeing that horrifically sad picture of that poor baby. I have a question though. In that picture, the baby appears to be surrounded by medical equipment- I presume he was in the presence of medical professionals? HOW THE FUCK WAS HE ALLOWED TO LEAVE WITH THAT CUNT WHEN HE LOOKED LIKE THAT?
I wondered the same thing. There are only two times he was at the hospital, when he was born and when he died. So it's unclear if that photo is from his birth, or death. I'm guessing that photo was from the day he was born, since one of the articles said he was pronounced dead at the hospital.
I was talking to my husband about this, he's in health care, he said the problem is most likely that they are from a tiny town, 875 people. Hospital staff at smaller hospitals are not usually as well trained to watch out for things like signs of abuse or the condition of the parents (drugs, etc). Also, if the baby was born very small (5 lbs or less) in a larger city they would keep the baby until they gain more weight and show signs of thriving. I had twins at 4 and 5 lb and there were very strict rules as to when they could be released. If that baby had been born in Dallas, I doubt he would have made it home. Of course this is all just speculation.
ashley jane
02-21-2015, 08:29 PM
I found their facebooks and on the dad's saw that when this baby was born CYS was at the hospital because there was no prenatal care. Then I kept going further and CYS was also there when the toddler was born. The dad had 2 other kids and I think CYS was involved with them too because he said he had a bunch of court dates for family services and another court. He also posted he had to move to a bigger place for when he could get his other kids back. He would post shit about CYS just taking babies away to give them to people for a pay check. He also had a status about saying he deserves food stamps because he paid into it and they're not processing his application so he'll go steal food. The mom also had something about calling about her food stamps like last year or so. So I'm guessing they had food stamps. No reason that baby should have starved to death. I'm not a mom and don't know anything about WIC but I'm going to assume you have to qualify and if they're getting food stamps and I wouldn't see a reason they couldn't have gotten WIC for formula.
Tigrillo
02-21-2015, 11:15 PM
Sometimes babies are diagnosed Failure to Thrive, that means that they don't have a strong hunger reflex and sleep more than they feed when they're tiny, so instead of chubbying up they sleep more and more and they sleep their weight away. It's probably exacerbated by drug addicted parents, who are too muddled up to notice that the baby is not feeding as much as he should, or that he is not gaining weight properly.
Maybe just maybe I can see how things can get really bad really fast; I mean the baby was 7 weeks old. He slept and slept. He got thin in a hurry. Mom and dad were too busy online --doubt it--, too high, and too ignorant to notice he was wasting away.
r.i.p. little fellow. you've been haunting my thoughts. you so did not deserve this.
Busygirl
02-21-2015, 11:17 PM
Sometimes babies are diagnosed Failure to Thrive, that means that they don't have a strong hunger reflex and sleep more than they feed when they're tiny, so instead of chubbying up they sleep more and more and they sleep their weight away. It's probably exacerbated by drug addicted parents, who are too muddled up to notice that the baby is not feeding as much as he should, or that he is not gaining weight properly.
Maybe just maybe I can see how things can get really bad really fast; I mean the baby was 7 weeks old. He slept and slept. He got thin in a hurry. Mom and dad were too busy online --doubt it--, too high, and too ignorant to notice he was wasting away.
r.i.p. little fellow. you've been haunting my thoughts. you so did not deserve this.
Exactly the same stuff i was saying in my post.
SarahTime
03-13-2015, 10:45 PM
Has anyone heard any updated about this?
audritwo
03-14-2015, 05:38 AM
None that I can find. I'm assuming they are still in jail because their twitters haven't been touched
LaylaLovely
03-14-2015, 09:30 AM
Has anyone seen the Nancy grace show on them??? ... I ussually love Nancy grace but she's pretty ignorant on the subject... Just kept going on and on about " what is lactation porn" didn't even mention the baby ...I'm sure if u google Nancy grace and baby starving seven week old you can find it...
SoloDesire
03-14-2015, 09:32 AM
Has anyone seen the Nancy grace show on them??? ... I ussually love Nancy grace but she's pretty ignorant on the subject... Just kept going on and on about " what is lactation porn" didn't even mention the baby ...I'm sure if u google Nancy grace and baby starving seven week old you can find it...
Ugh. I wish Nancy Grace would die a horrible death. She's what's wrong with humanity.
audritwo
03-14-2015, 09:40 AM
Has anyone seen the Nancy grace show on them??? ... I ussually love Nancy grace but she's pretty ignorant on the subject... Just kept going on and on about " what is lactation porn" didn't even mention the baby ...I'm sure if u google Nancy grace and baby starving seven week old you can find it...
The guy said he never heard of lactation porn... come on. Anyone who has been on the internet KNOWS what that is. Come on. EVERYONE has been on that side of the internet
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/02/24/baby-starve-death-parents-breast-milk-porn-murder-charges
SarahTime
03-14-2015, 11:14 AM
Has anyone seen the Nancy grace show on them??? ... I ussually love Nancy grace but she's pretty ignorant on the subject... Just kept going on and on about " what is lactation porn" didn't even mention the baby ...I'm sure if u google Nancy grace and baby starving seven week old you can find it...
Ahh... Good ol Nancy Grace. Should have thought to look there. I don't have cable/satellite anymore. I'll google it. :)
LaylaLovely
03-14-2015, 12:57 PM
Ugh. I wish Nancy Grace would die a horrible death. She's what's wrong with humanity.
I ussually love Nancy grace.. Maybe because I'm a mom and most her shows are about missing children etc... But how don't u know about lactation??? She's a mom to twins!! I'm sure she had plenty! Lol
Snowy0Star
03-14-2015, 01:01 PM
I ussually love Nancy grace.. Maybe because I'm a mom and most her shows are about missing children etc... But how don't u know about lactation??? She's a mom to twins!! I'm sure she had plenty! Lol
i think its more nancy grace didnt know it was fetishized the way it is
SweetJulia
03-14-2015, 01:11 PM
Ok, assuming the couple was either on drugs or related-look at the damn pics-I can sort of understand how this happened, but how the fuck has social services not been involved with these "parents" before this tragedy?
LaylaLovely
03-14-2015, 01:13 PM
^^ small town, none of the kids go to school...no dr appts... No way for anyone to have seen these kids long enough to say for sure they wer bad parents from looking at them...... Wait... Nm....looking at that baby for even a second I would've teared up and called someone ! Of coarse he could've been bundled up most the time ppl saw him so no one saw his ribs
Prussia
03-14-2015, 01:23 PM
The guy said he never heard of lactation porn... come on. Anyone who has been on the internet KNOWS what that is. Come on. EVERYONE has been on that side of the internet
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/02/24/baby-starve-death-parents-breast-milk-porn-murder-charges
http://i57.tinypic.com/hukd9z.jpg
ommmg all of them in this video...
CinnimonKiss
03-14-2015, 05:40 PM
I was digging for her "cam name" and saw it on a nancy grace interview or w/e. She worked Chaturbate and her profile has been taken down. Good, but wth!!! her twitter with everything shes posted is still up. My god.
audritwo
03-14-2015, 09:50 PM
I think her MGF profile was too taken down. Also totally found a picture of her smoking weed while she was like 5 months pregnant.
SimoneGray
03-14-2015, 10:06 PM
^^ That MGF post was beyond horrifying. The fact that she used the death to effectively beg for money...oi.
justsometwat
05-20-2015, 11:35 AM
I've been searching for information on this since it happened, wondering why I couldn't find anything.
ROSEBURG, Ore. -- A Glendale mother charged in the death of her infant son had a court hearing Monday.
21-year-old Amanda Hancock is charged with murder and endangering a minor.
Investigators say her son, Data, died of starvation back in January.
A hearing for the child's father, 26-year-old Stephen Williams Jr., has not yet been scheduled.
http://www.kpic.com/news/local/Glendale-woman-charged-with-murder-in-court-Monday-302481511.html
I wonder how long her sentence will be.
secretwebcamchick
05-25-2015, 07:31 PM
She should have been flagged for home visits when the baby was born being that she seeked NO PRENATAL CARE.... wtf...that should be considered neglect on it's own..... and then the department of family and children should have definately stepped in when she never took her newborn baby to any check ups.... So many times this babies life could have been saved :(
MissQuirk
05-25-2015, 07:54 PM
I can't believe I helped her raise money jesus fuck. I seriously feel like the worst person, Ifeel so stupid.
Also I decided to be a creep and use the inmate finder tool for oregon but it came up with nothing so I have no idea how long she'll be in for. I hope it's a long fucking time/
audritwo
05-26-2015, 08:57 AM
MissQuirk, you are a good person. You were doing what you thought was right, none of us knew what was really going on until the story got out. Please don't beat yourself up over this, your heart was in the right place. <3
She fooled you, she fooled a lot of people. And that fucking sucks. But she is getting what she deserves and that slimeball too.
MissQuirk
05-26-2015, 09:00 PM
Thank you D: Yeah. We were allll duped. Diddly-duped.
justsometwat
06-25-2016, 12:14 PM
I thought about this today and wondered what happened. I decided to look it up.
She plead no contest to the charges and has been convicted of first degree manslaughter and has been sentenced to 10 years in prison. Her boyfriend won't go to court until April 2017.
I'm glad she wasn't let off the hook for it, but it's sad that it's only for ten years, she might not even have to serve the full ten before she's up for parole. I hope her other kids will get a good life away from her.
Rena83
06-25-2016, 01:13 PM
Both parents were either too stupid to have a child or didn't care about the child.
Women don't have to take prenatal vitamins. I didn't because the Iron hurt me. Had a five pounder, had more milk than I knew what to do with, never had a sick baby until about age 2. It depends on the woman and her diet and blood work. I eat healthy so I got all I needed before and during. More, actually.
The woman was too stupid or ignorant to see her body wasn't replacing her lost milk but the bottom line isn't that she was a cam girl with milk shows. Bottom line she didn't need kids if she couldn't tell her baby was hungry and didn't do anything and let it die.
cyberstripper
06-25-2016, 01:37 PM
This is so sad. I knew it was only a matter of time until more and more things like this start unfolding in the webcam community. Camming is becoming more and more mainstream, therefore stories like this are making it to the national news. Also, due to the fact that they lived their personal lives so publically on the internet, it can be incriminating and alarming to see how this unfolded on social media. Why nothing was done by family/followers is also beyond me. Honestly, it wouldn't take much to find out more about these people because they did live so openly on the internet. CPS should have been called regarding the 2 year old a long time ago. One cannot prove much on the internet, but if they are looking high while performing, something can be done. Once cops show up at the place they can ultimately determine what is going on. I am not saying it is the website or followers responsibility, but the websites they were on could have also stepped in, contacted local authorities regarding a 2 year old child being in a home where porn is being filmed and broadcasted.
This is a tragedy but it could change things for the better, for the sake of children. It really does make me uncomfortable knowing that some people cam from home, with children in the home. I am not saying all parents in the adult industry are exposing their children to materials they should not see, but there is a greater chance of this happening. Bottom line, no matter what the licensing issues are in cities and states across the usa....people who are camming from home with children, shooting adult content, broadcasting and distributing it, are taking a big risk. If authorities were contacted for any reason, the parents risk their child becoming ward of the state. This has serious consequences.
Unfortunately there will be many more tragedies to come until laws are passed and enforced and site rules change regarding camming from home/camming with children in the home. The fact that webcam sites say "work from home all you need is an internet connection, computer and webcam," are making it too easy for people to sign up in general. They disregard all of the laws regarding licensing in their communities, the safety of their children, etc. A business license should be required upon sign up to these webcam sites, period. I know laws vary county by county, but if proper licensing was required....a home occupation permit in the least is required. If county inspectors came to that house, and saw there were children in the home....this couple could not have gotten a license. If sites required licensing to sign up, and they did not have a license, they would have a hard time getting on these larger sites. That isn't to say that they couldn't take it underground, but it would be a lot more difficult for people like this to get into camming. Even sites like sky private, and indy cam sites should require some form of licensing for sign up. It will take a lot more incidents like this and for camming to become more and more mainstream for the counties to get involved though. Adult businesses are not regulated in many parts of the usa. Here, they just created an adult use overlay district in 2003 which in the grand scheme of things is pretty recent.
I again, am not saying that cam parents are bad parents, but parents are taking a huge risk being in this business with children, in general....and sadly the masses will think cam parents are bad parents due to stories like this coming out.
I cannot even look at the social media. The fact that they have such a large amount of followers etc, is even more sad. This is a societal issue. That is the scariest fact.
cyberstripper
06-25-2016, 01:44 PM
The guy said he never heard of lactation porn... come on. Anyone who has been on the internet KNOWS what that is. Come on. EVERYONE has been on that side of the internet
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2015/02/24/baby-starve-death-parents-breast-milk-porn-murder-charges
This is so common we should all be used to it by now. People pretending to be completely unaware of what is out there on the internet and brushing anything adult industry related under the rug, turning the cheek and making it on with their merry lives.
SylvySinclair
06-25-2016, 04:19 PM
I cant read something like that, i could kill her with no regret. period. for the bf, the more she lactated the more milk she makes, the more she feeds, the more its produced. hungry babies cry very loud when hungry but after some time and not being fed, they just fall asleep and keep waking up and crying, then falling asleep again until they dont wake up anymore. I have 3 kids and all my kids cried very loud when they were hungry, which i made sure to attend right away even if the 3 hs gap between one feeding and the other were not reached. if they cried before the 3 hs that the doc told me to feed the baby was too much for them to wait for, i fed before and no one would tell me to wait. same as with : let the baby cry until he sleeps. yeah right. my baby wont cry until he sleeps, he will be hugged and taken care of until he feels like sleeping. i just dont know why some ppl are parents, i swear, something like this makes me sick to my stomach.
KatyBoleyn
06-25-2016, 06:09 PM
I really think the camming angle in this whole thing is a side show and completely irrelevant. This looks like straight-up crack/meth behavior. That's the real story here.
loveshooks
06-25-2016, 06:12 PM
I really think the camming angle in this whole thing is a side show and completely irrelevant. This looks like straight-up crack/meth behavior. That's the real story here.
QFT. thank you
loveshooks
06-25-2016, 06:38 PM
She should have been flagged for home visits when the baby was born being that she seeked NO PRENATAL CARE.
def doesn't apply here but a lot of low income racialized moms in NA who love/adore/cherish their kids don't do that either. coming under unwarranted state scrutiny is a threat, and and rightfully so in many cases
these two though; ugh. I don't even like infants and can't fathom doing what these peeps did. Seeing a vulnerable being in distress and doing nothing? Let alone one's own family? I can't even...
To echo Katy this about drugs and sociopathic behavior, not our work. So fucked up that real moms who do sex work do get harmed/stigmatized due to this ish though.
RIP Data
Rena83
06-25-2016, 06:46 PM
This is so sad. I knew it was only a matter of time until more and more things like this start unfolding in the webcam community. Camming is becoming more and more mainstream, therefore stories like this are making it to the national news. Also, due to the fact that they lived their personal lives so publically on the internet, it can be incriminating and alarming to see how this unfolded on social media. Why nothing was done by family/followers is also beyond me. Honestly, it wouldn't take much to find out more about these people because they did live so openly on the internet. CPS should have been called regarding the 2 year old a long time ago. One cannot prove much on the internet, but if they are looking high while performing, something can be done. Once cops show up at the place they can ultimately determine what is going on. I am not saying it is the website or followers responsibility, but the websites they were on could have also stepped in, contacted local authorities regarding a 2 year old child being in a home where porn is being filmed and broadcasted.
This is a tragedy but it could change things for the better, for the sake of children. It really does make me uncomfortable knowing that some people cam from home, with children in the home. I am not saying all parents in the adult industry are exposing their children to materials they should not see, but there is a greater chance of this happening. Bottom line, no matter what the licensing issues are in cities and states across the usa....people who are camming from home with children, shooting adult content, broadcasting and distributing it, are taking a big risk. If authorities were contacted for any reason, the parents risk their child becoming ward of the state. This has serious consequences.
Unfortunately there will be many more tragedies to come until laws are passed and enforced and site rules change regarding camming from home/camming with children in the home. The fact that webcam sites say "work from home all you need is an internet connection, computer and webcam," are making it too easy for people to sign up in general. They disregard all of the laws regarding licensing in their communities, the safety of their children, etc. A business license should be required upon sign up to these webcam sites, period. I know laws vary county by county, but if proper licensing was required....a home occupation permit in the least is required. If county inspectors came to that house, and saw there were children in the home....this couple could not have gotten a license. If sites required licensing to sign up, and they did not have a license, they would have a hard time getting on these larger sites. That isn't to say that they couldn't take it underground, but it would be a lot more difficult for people like this to get into camming. Even sites like sky private, and indy cam sites should require some form of licensing for sign up. It will take a lot more incidents like this and for camming to become more and more mainstream for the counties to get involved though. Adult businesses are not regulated in many parts of the usa. Here, they just created an adult use overlay district in 2003 which in the grand scheme of things is pretty recent.
I again, am not saying that cam parents are bad parents, but parents are taking a huge risk being in this business with children, in general....and sadly the masses will think cam parents are bad parents due to stories like this coming out.
I cannot even look at the social media. The fact that they have such a large amount of followers etc, is even more sad. This is a societal issue. That is the scariest fact.
Do people with children have sex? Do they drink? Camming is just sex with yourself. If you live in a house with privacy the children never know.
Mine has no clue and had no clue and they don't even hear me during PSO. I live in a 3500 square foot home and have plenty of room. But, many people have sex and the kids can hear. It's not sex that's a problem anyway. It's not sex work either. It's our view that sex is bad. Don't cam in front of them, find a private area and cam. It's that simple really.
Cam parents aren't bad. And I couldn't care less if people thought I was. People are more likely to think I'm a bitch and a bad parent because I cuss and flip people off or yell obscenities out my car window from road rage anyway. None of us lead perfect lives, but it's totally legal and just fine to masturbate on cam in a private area of your home when you have kids. It's also fine to even be a porn star and have kids. Who leaves dildos out anyway? Many people have sex toys and the same things cam
Models have in their house with kids because the parents are into some freaky sex. Do the kids see that?
I have a specific login on my computer for my kid. It has a parental control software on it. We don't let them watch tv shows that require a parental pass code and they aren't allowed on the web or a cell phone period without us right there. Camming has nothing to do with the chances of a parent exposing a child to sex. It's just shitty parents.
Are your kids watching you? No. Then no problems.
TheOutlier
06-25-2016, 07:04 PM
I really think the camming angle in this whole thing is a side show and completely irrelevant. This looks like straight-up crack/meth behavior. That's the real story here.
Agree. All occupations have their bad apples. My stepmom who is a terrible parent/stepparent is a nurse. My grandma, who was a great parent to my aunts, mom, and me at one point was a PSO. Neither occupation is a good predictor of parental ability, both are just ways to earn $ to spend how the women saw fit.
(I have such a seething hatred of the joke that is CPS I won't comment otherwise about this whole mess)
TheBrownFox
06-25-2016, 07:12 PM
It really does make me uncomfortable knowing that some people cam from home, with children in the home. I am not saying all parents in the adult industry are exposing their children to materials they should not see, but there is a greater chance of this happening. Bottom line, no matter what the licensing issues are in cities and states across the usa....people who are camming from home with children, shooting adult content, broadcasting and distributing it, are taking a big risk. If authorities were contacted for any reason, the parents risk their child becoming ward of the state. This has serious consequences.
Unfortunately there will be many more tragedies to come until laws are passed and enforced and site rules change regarding camming from home/camming with children in the home. The fact that webcam sites say "work from home all you need is an internet connection, computer and webcam," are making it too easy for people to sign up in general. They disregard all of the laws regarding licensing in their communities, the safety of their children, etc. A business license should be required upon sign up to these webcam sites, period. I know laws vary county by county, but if proper licensing was required....a home occupation permit in the least is required. If county inspectors came to that house, and saw there were children in the home....this couple could not have gotten a license. If sites required licensing to sign up, and they did not have a license, they would have a hard time getting on these larger sites. That isn't to say that they couldn't take it underground, but it would be a lot more difficult for people like this to get into camming. Even sites like sky private, and indy cam sites should require some form of licensing for sign up. It will take a lot more incidents like this and for camming to become more and more mainstream for the counties to get involved though. Adult businesses are not regulated in many parts of the usa. Here, they just created an adult use overlay district in 2003 which in the grand scheme of things is pretty recent.
I again, am not saying that cam parents are bad parents, but parents are taking a huge risk being in this business with children, in general....and sadly the masses will think cam parents are bad parents due to stories like this coming out.
There are a lot of moms on this forum (a great group of ladies here), and I doubt that you need to worry about any of us putting our children in harm's way. Most of us have the brains and common sense to cam at the appropriate times (like when they're asleep or at school), and keep the bedroom door locked, etc. And to make sure our children are well fed and not starving. We're not monsters.
loveshooks
06-25-2016, 08:07 PM
@BF straight up you have nothing to explain. for real everyone is entitled to their opinions but fuck me some of what I read here is absolute crap.
Yeah, we need a license to be decent human beings in this world. If only loving moms could care for their kids without state intervention.
straight up, the proposal above only works for wealthy white peeps at best. doubt non-white women who applied for this 'license' wouldn't have social workers at their door the next day?
edited to add: my mom and maternal nan went through this. they fought hard to keep our family intact and I'm a better, stronger person for it. can't imagine my life without them.
my mom, eldest amongst her sibs sped through high school (she was credit to her race lol, one of her report cards actually says this, she showed me) and was accepted to uni at age 16 on scholarship. she went, and dropped out to go to work to help support her sisters and my nan so they wouldn't be taken away. my nan could care for them ( I can speak first hand that she did an AMAZING job in doing so), just the QC prov gov felt a low-icome Indigenous woman (only low income cuz that was the only work she could get) wasn't a good parent.
so under the ish raised here, as in life, if you're not wealthy and white kinda fucked either way?
anyone who assumes the state is on the side of the people are oblivious. or willfully blind
Fox, you're an amazing mom. everyone who has taken the time to know you/read your thoughts knows that.
'nuff respect <3
being an adult worker and a parent is not incompatible. really strange that some peeps who should know better go there
cyberstripper
06-25-2016, 10:44 PM
Do people with children have sex? Do they drink? Camming is just sex with yourself. If you live in a house with privacy the children never know.
Mine has no clue and had no clue and they don't even hear me during PSO. I live in a 3500 square foot home and have plenty of room. But, many people have sex and the kids can hear. It's not sex that's a problem anyway. It's not sex work either. It's our view that sex is bad. Don't cam in front of them, find a private area and cam. It's that simple really.
Cam parents aren't bad. And I couldn't care less if people thought I was. People are more likely to think I'm a bitch and a bad parent because I cuss and flip people off or yell obscenities out my car window from road rage anyway. None of us lead perfect lives, but it's totally legal and just fine to masturbate on cam in a private area of your home when you have kids. It's also fine to even be a porn star and have kids. Who leaves dildos out anyway? Many people have sex toys and the same things cam
Models have in their house with kids because the parents are into some freaky sex. Do the kids see that?
I have a specific login on my computer for my kid. It has a parental control software on it. We don't let them watch tv shows that require a parental pass code and they aren't allowed on the web or a cell phone period without us right there. Camming has nothing to do with the chances of a parent exposing a child to sex. It's just shitty parents.
Are your kids watching you? No. Then no problems.
Having sex, and selling sex are two different things. If you are making money from anything remotely sexual, you are in business, in the adult business and one should take responsibility for this. You are a getting defensive because on the back of your mind, you know what you are doing. In the back of your mind, you know if the wrong people found out you could have a lot of issues having kids in the home where you provide a sexual service for money. Honestly there is no need for you to get defensive with me....I am just stating the reality. I do not think sex workers are bad parents, but guess what? This is the way society sees it. This is the way authorities see it. You are taking a risk and the excuses you are telling yourself to legitimize what you are doing are excuses that would not help you out any at all if something was to happen. Enough with the excuses. If you are operating an adult business you need to do whatever it takes to protect your kids. Renting a studio, etc. Again, this is the reality. I am not personally poking at all the moms out there, but there is a stigma associated with this business. Strippers, escorts, cammers all get children taken away and deemed as unfit parents every day. It gives people ammunition. Therefore, if I had children, I would keep my business far away from home. I know what can happen and would do what it takes. Now, I am just curious....do you have a business license? In your county, are there zoning restrictions? You are so quick to defend yourself. Do you really believe that because a site says work from home...that it is legal? Do you have a good attorney? You and you alone are responsible. You may want to stop making excuses and start legitimizing your business. If you are, no offense. But many people in this industry do not consider the v very basics of business, because websites make it too easy to sign up. Just because the site says work from home, does not mean you should or that it is legal in your city. Only in webcamming have I seen so many self employed people operating businesses without proper licensing. It is a shame and gives us all a bad name, especially those with children. Bottom line, you are taking a risk, you know it. How you deal with it, is up to you. I am not saying you aren't capable of raising children because your are a sex worker, but at the same time you are putting it out there that you are operating an adult business with children in the home....this has serious risks and consequences. You know it or you world not be defensive, but it is you who is responsible. I really hope instead of getting defensive you will start looking into a studio space and into the laws in your city. I do not have kids but I speak from experience when I say in my city there is an adult use district to keep adult businesses out if residential areas, houses etc. Anyone in my city camming from home, will be denied licensing by county and if continued, would be operating without licenses. In some places, there are no zoning laws whatsoever. In some cities, business licensing is not required at all. Due to this, I think sites really need to tighten up the sign up process. Since performers won't due diligence, someone must.
cyberstripper
06-25-2016, 10:55 PM
I get it, we all do...but the outside world sees it differently. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best and it scares me to see so many cam moms have not prepared for the worst. Doesn't matter what time, if kids can't hear. There are serious consequences to being in the adult industry with children. Pornstars shoot outside of the home. Dancers work at clubs...these women still have issues in divorce court cases, etc. Why do cammers continue to brush this issue under the rug and think it is ok? Please enlighten me. You guys are too nonchalant about this straight up. You are operating adult businesses from your home's and have kids there, and think it is ok? This blows my mind. Where are you guys from? What are your counties zoning laws? Do you need a home occupation permit? What kind of license? I am seriously asking. Where I am from, of all places las Vegas, the laws are very strict due to a large amount of adult businesses in the city. I want to work in the middle on nowhere in a town where zoning laws do not exist. Where I can go to the county, tell them exactly what I am doing from home and walk away with licensing. In Vegas, I am pretty much forced to work from a studio if I am to operate a legal adult business. It is very complicated. I have no choice because I have worked too hard to gain the knowledge I have today, so I will never work from home and operate without proper licensing. I want to find a place where I can work from home without the headaches.
That being said, I am not talking out of my ass here ladies. I have been thru epic battles with the county to get licensed to do business. I have been ward of the state because my mother was convicted of child neglect for leaving me and my sister at home for days on end. We were old enough to care for ourselves at the time too, but I was in foster care for a while. You guys need to cross your t's and dot your i's. What you believe and think, it's not what society thinks is acceptable. It is not what courts will find acceptable. It is not what authorities will find acceptable. Excuses are also not acceptable. Do you not realize what could happen in worst case scenario? Why have you not prepared for it as business owners and parents. I am not hating on any of you but it is obvious you either do not care about the consequences, or you really do think that worst case scenario will not happen and or when it does the excuses you are giving me and yourself and your mode of thinking will be accepted. It won't. What you think about what you do, is irrelevant in the big picture, worst case scenario...it will come down to what other people think so you may want to prepare for this.
TheBrownFox
06-25-2016, 10:58 PM
^Cyberstripper, you're being rather preachy on here, don't ya think? DAMN.
hyori
06-25-2016, 11:09 PM
In reference to cyber stripped post:
I wonder if PETA should get involved as well. We whores shouldn't be allowed to have sex in our homes with our pets in the line of sight it may traumatize them and meat eaters can't be whores too. In fact, we shouldn't even be allowed pets or meat consumption. Oh wait, the police should arrest everyone who participated in the "I'd rather be naked then wear fur" campaign because vegans are all a bunch of dirty whores.
Sex Ed. Has to be abolished because we all know how that causes prepubescent teen pregnancy, strippers and escorts. Oh and while we are at it why not vote for Trump cuz we know all them immigrants are lazy ass terrorist prostitiutes. Let's get rid of all the strip clubs too since they might be in neighbourhoods where children play and get curious enough to ask questions. Then let's tackle the video games where indecently dressed up women act like whores. Then burn all the Young Adult fiction where heathen fantasy characters act like whores. Disney princesses like Ariel need to be removed from the library. Don't forget about Barbie and all other heathen dolls. Parents who let their children play with those dolls are just turning their children into prostitutes!
Seriously, think about what you are saying because everything you wrote is the equivalent of what I just wrote.
cyberstripper
06-25-2016, 11:30 PM
I practice what I preach none the less. I work at a studio. I am licensed. I do business in compliance with county and city of las Vegas laws. I am honestly being informative and helpful. I am operating a legal adult business and am proud to say that. I have learned how to protect my business and myself and that knowledge should be shared. Contrary to popular belief, Camming is not legal in many places. I have fought the fight and now I can educate others. Instead of learning, I see people would rather get defensive etc but that is ok. I sleep well at night knowing I am doing the right thing and run an adult business in compliance with city laws. A lot of adult business owners simply give up but I haven't. There are even more who are uneducated, and these replies are a good indicator of that. I practice what I preach, and you are judging me lol. So that being said...are you doing business in compliance with your cities laws? Before you get on me and point the finger, I will return the favor. Are you a legit and licensed adult business owner? Please tell us about the licensing process you have been thru. You want to point the finger yet you do not have the chops to answer any of the questions I have posted about licensing in your city and state. So there is the finger pointing right back at you!
TheBrownFox
06-25-2016, 11:59 PM
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