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Camming is considered amateur live porn not professional porn therefore camsites dont ask for license?
Also, it's a worldwide business not only in USA so cam sites say "Watch for regulations in ur area", it's up to us to decide if we want and can cam with a license or just take the risk and do what we can.
I personally raised a kid camming & took care of all aspects to protect him while i knew there was a risk being found out, etc but i took the risk cause i could not cam outside the house, as a single mom with no financial help from anyone not even my govt. i had to cam at home, leaving the house would have meant extra expenses i could not afford.
Not being a parent urself cyberstripper makes it hard for u to understand the implications of camming outside the house when u a single mom for example or u dont really have options available.
I know i rather have food and all needed for my baby while taking the risk than let my baby starve & not have what he needs while camming 'legally'.
It is a choice a parent have to do in order to provide for their kids.
What these people did is terrible and has nothing to do with the fact they cammed at home like it was mentioned above but with the fact they were bad people/ parents, they could have rolled/fall over the baby while being high/drunk and kill it, the tragedy happened because of these people quality as humans/ parents not because of the camming.
There is really no need to get this offensive in here, forcing an opinion down people's throats will just make people get defensive and have the opposite effect than u expected.
Or u just wanna piss people off in here?!
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 12:51 AM
I am not judging anyone. I know I am harsh and stern at times. You have to do what you have to do, that does not mean it will legal or right. Those who cannot tolerate that truth and the realities of the situation really need to open their eyes.
I am not saying sex workers are bad parents and feel that they can often be better parents, and often are safer about the use of technology, etc. Sadly, this is not the way THEY see it. Stuff like this and the industry becoming mainstream, counties, sites etc will have no choice but to pass new regulations, rules and terms of use. We can all take responsibility now, or we will be forced to comply with regulations in the future as Camming becomes more mainstream and as licensing becomes a serious source of revenue for cities and counties. The more mainstream camming gets, the less of a grey area exists until one day there is no more grey and it is black and white. We are lucky there is a grey area. One day, Camming from home in general could be illegal across the USA. Fact is a lot of cammers are lead to believe it is legal due to the easy sign up process and "work from home" mentality these sites advertise. They do not look into the regulations or licensing process because sites do not require them. Stark reality? A lot of cammers do not know they are breaking laws Camming from home, and they are recording it, putting it on social media and living this way very openly. This is not cute. We are all grown adults, and are all responsible for our own actions being self employed.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 12:58 AM
Camming is considered amateur live porn not professional porn therefore camsites dont ask for license? if you are making an income you are in business in my city. Doesn't matter what the quality of content is...it matters what your city defines as an adult business. What type of content is shot is irrelevant. The reason why regulations in my city piss me off its because in Camming, business does take place on the internet. I do not have patrons coming in and and out. There are no external advertisements, etc...yet my business is subject to the same regulations as strip clubs, video stores and booths, agencies etc.
Hey, what I say and how you react to it is on you. If you want to get mad, so be it. I am not forcing my opinion down people's throats. The case has everything to do with Camming. If the parents were not cammers and living publically on the internet, it wouldn't have drawn media attention. Why I brought the licensing issues and canning from home issues with children to light was due to the fact that her lactating camming career had an effect on her kid being fed. If the parents were not allowed on cam sites, if cam sites stepped in...if cam sites had stricter processes, then perhaps she wouldn't be pimping breast milk for pervs enjoyment. Obviously this woman was not in her right mind. Thanks to this, and stories like this cam parents will be considered and are already considered by the masses as bad parents. That is a societal issue too, but brushing it under the rug is not going to help. The only way is to take responsibility and cam as responsibly as possible and many are not, nor are the cam sites. We will never be looked at as legitimate business owners, until we are rsponsible. Cammers will never be accepted by society until we accept ourselves and fully accept all of the consequences that come with this business. As far as that betting a tough pill to swallow...it should be. Sites also need to due diligence and in this sad story they did not, something could have been fine to ensure the safety of this child and it was not. The fact that these people could even get online and be on a commercial cam sites and advertise this on social media in their states of mind is horrifying. If people cannot take responsibility for themselves, someone else will.
^^^ So the reasons u post all these is u pissed because u have to follow the rules in ur city while others dont have to at all or prefer to 'bend' the rules? So u want everyone to go 'legal' so they pay the things u pay for (in taxes, for renting a studio etc etc).
So it goes down to money actually, u tell urself "Why do i have to pay all these and follow the rules and THEY dont care to do it legally & pay too for the things i pay?"
Ooops....
Rena83
06-26-2016, 01:16 AM
I am not judging anyone. I know I am harsh and stern at times. You have to do what you have to do, that does not mean it will legal or right. Those who cannot tolerate that truth and the realities of the situation really need to open their eyes.
I am not saying sex workers are bad parents and feel that they can often be better parents, and often are safer about the use of technology, etc. Sadly, this is not the way THEY see it. Stuff like this and the industry becoming mainstream, counties, sites etc will have no choice but to pass new regulations, rules and terms of use. We can all take responsibility now, or we will be forced to comply with regulations in the future as Camming becomes more mainstream and as licensing becomes a serious source of revenue for cities and counties. The more mainstream camming gets, the less of a grey area exists until one day there is no more grey and it is black and white. We are lucky there is a grey area. One day, Camming from home in general could be illegal across the USA. Fact is a lot of cammers are lead to believe it is legal due to the easy sign up process and "work from home" mentality these sites advertise. They do not look into the regulations or licensing process because sites do not require them. Stark reality? A lot of cammers do not know they are breaking laws Camming from home, and they are recording it, putting it on social media and living this way very openly. This is not cute. We are all grown adults, and are all responsible for our own actions being self employed.
I'm a cold, hard bitch too so I get what you mean. In fact, an at home "cam" business is likely breaking many codes. But who is going to care or know? If you were to go making a stink it would make people care. Fact is, nobody likely knows you cam privately from some room in your home and they won't care. I don't pay local taxes. I have visited a CPA and have a financial advisor and nobody has said a word about my extra income.
Now, lets say you had a studio and you had women and men coming to your physical location to cam and YOU paid them and YOU made a % then yeah, you would need to get an FEIN and follow codes because other people would need employee rights and safe places to code to work in.
But this is no different than if you worked as a CS agent for Convergys from your home. I do PSO, I pay taxes, no local authority cares or will spend time creating local regulations that will govern me talking to wankers on my personal phone line in my home.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 01:26 AM
@katm Not at all but people cannot understand where I come from as well, so I shared a better look into the regulations in my city. If you want to bend the rules, that is your decision, but because of people bending the rules, one day sites and laws will change. Camming is kind of where slaughter houses were decades ago. With regulations, we will also gain rights. Regulations and rules are not a bad thing, unless you are breaking them. If you world prefer to break them, that is on you. If rules/regulations/laws existed were enforced in the above case, maybe in a parallel universe this tragedy could have been prevented. This is why rules/regulations/laws are a good thing and relate to the story and why I shared my cities and the process I have gone through. The psycho patents should have never been in this business in the first place, their children should have been ward of the state or placed with relatives.
Rena83
06-26-2016, 01:28 AM
Not at all but people cannot understand where I come from as well, so I shared a better look into the regulations in my city. If you want to bend the rules, that is your decision, but because of people bending the rules, one day sites and laws will change. Camming is kind of where slaughter houses were decades ago. With regulations, we will also Gary rights. Regulations and rules are not a bad thing, unless you are breaking them. If you world prefer to break them, that is on you. If rules/regulations/laws existed were enforced in the above case, maybe in a parallel universe this could have been prevented. This is why rules/regulations/laws are a good thing and relate to the story and why I shared my cities and the process I have gone through. The psycho patents should have never been in this business in the first place, their children should have been ward of the state or placed with relatives.
You can only bend rules when there are rules. There aren't any where I live, at least. I think there's very, very few cam models in my area and those who are are likely not abusing their kids.
There's a lot more non cam models abusing kids right now, and animals.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 01:33 AM
@Rena83
You are right but I am very by the book. And when I was denied licensing I stood up to the county, found a studio in the adult use district, and succeeded at getting my business license! It was a learning experience to say the least. Needles to say, I did grow tired of the uphill battle, and paying higher rent die to adult use buildings overcharging. I now work in a cam studio, pay less fees and they assist with licensing. It is much easier. To me, the more business expenses I have the better at the things of the year. Licensing is a business expense, costs of renting a studio as well. In business overhead is not a bad thing, so those trying to avoid expenses are in turn paying more in taxes. Either way you pay. So, If peeps are working from home to save money, they show more profit and pay more in taxes. This is why, not renting a studio or even being licensed with or without kids is pointless and people not doing so in my book are making a bad business decision and not taking responsibility. I love cold hard bitches. Will you marry me?
Rena83
06-26-2016, 01:39 AM
You are right but I am very by the book. To me the more business expenses I have the better at the things of the year. Licensing is a business expense, costs of renting a studio as well. In business overhead is not a bad thing, so those trying to avoid expenses are in turn paying more in taxes. Either way you pay. So, If peeps are working from home to save money, they show more profit and pay more in taxes. This is why, not renting a studio or even being licensed with or without kids is pointless and people not doing so in my book are making a bad business decision and not taking responsibility. I love cold hard bitches. Will you marry me?
The thing is states vary by what they need people to be licensed to do. I don't need a license to clean houses for a living. I just need to pay taxes and keep up with the finances in case of an audit. In my state, if I have to put other peoples lives in danger or am taxed with having to be in some public trust position, like a daycare operator, I'd need a license. But all states are different.
I seriously doubt any local board will even remotely hear a case about regulating women and men who dildo themselves on cam and requiring a license. But if they get really hard up for money, maybe. Then apply for the license and go on. Requiring you to be a child free home, or whatever, would cause a lawsuit because it's obvious by how many cam models exist that we don't introduce sexual oriented materials to our children.
However, I do hear people CALL the PSO line with kids in background. I tell them "i can hear your kids" and then stop the call and hit the button to report them to the line.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 01:50 AM
You can only bend rules when there are rules. There aren't any where I live, at least. I think there's very, very few cam models in my area and those who are are likely not abusing their kids.
There's a lot more non cam models abusing kids right now, and animals.
Can you pm me and or let me know what city you are in. I am working on a site/blog lately where I post all major cities and access to links/county resources in regard to webcamming businesses. I am a cold hard, yet helpful Bitch. Maybe I shall make a thread and post what I know, county and city links, and hope others partake in it. I always get hated on when I mention the legalities, etc..so perhaps if the legalities were out there in a post by major cities it would be helpful.
Rena83
06-26-2016, 01:56 AM
Can you pm me and or let me know what city you are in. I am working on a site/blog lately where I post all major cities and access to links/county resources in regard to webcamming businesses. I am a cold hard, yet helpful Bitch. Maybe I shall make a thread and post what I know, county and city links, and hope others partake in it. I always get hated on when I mention the legalities, etc..so perhaps if the legalities were out there in a post by major cities it would be helpful.
No. Not to be mean but I don't want people to know where I am. Just take my word when I say that there are no camming legalities in my state, county, city, region, etc.
Hell, we don't even have adequate laws regarding the treatment of animals or car emissions standards, or even car inspections. Camming is the least of their interests, what IS at the top is Planned Parenthood. With that said, I'm in a pretty adult friendly area. I live in the nicest HOA community in my region, and there's a lot of big, old money up here. Our strip clubs are fully nude, and nobody seems to care. We also have local escorts, the big money around here loves to have entertainment, if you know what I mean. It's likely given the educational levels of the people in my community, they'd be totally cool with a cam model around here. It's making money, my house looks nice, I look nice, what I do IN my home isn't as important to them as what my home and I look like. Keeping up appearances so to say.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 02:00 AM
The thing is states vary by what they need people to be licensed to do. I don't need a license to clean houses for a living. I just need to pay taxes and keep up with the finances in case of an audit. In my state, if I have to put other peoples lives in danger or am taxed with having to be in some public trust position, like a daycare operator, I'd need a license. But all states are different.
I seriously doubt any local board will even remotely hear a case about regulating women and men who dildo themselves on cam and requiring a license. But if they get really hard up for money, maybe. Then apply for the license and go on. Requiring you to be a child free home, or whatever, would cause a lawsuit because it's obvious by how many cam models exist that we don't introduce sexual oriented materials to our children.
However, I do hear people CALL the PSO line with kids in background. I tell them "i can hear your kids" and then stop the call and hit the button to report them to the line.
Yeah, Camming is regulated here under adult internet entertainer and is subject to zoning laws. I should just move and save myself the headache but I have my reasons for staying. I am starting a non adult business in the next year. I can work from home, go mobile or work in a salon. It is exciting and the process will be a cake walk compared to Camming. I have had a lot of scenarios like this happen. So ackward to have someone on cam with you and hear in the background. I always end sessions when that happens as well. Viewers have to cam responsibly too.
KPTfiend
06-26-2016, 02:01 AM
Kay well "I'm new" so probably should stay out of it....lol BUT (dr phil loves but's hah! I love Dr. Phil, I want to party on his yacht with Ron White)
all I'm reading between the lines from Cyberstripper is "I got fuked by ordinances, this COULD happen to some people, it happebed to me. So I'm pissy about all the "uneducated" people, and people who have more "risk" with children, who should be the ones who need to jump through hoops with "liscensing" and everyone should have to go through what I went through to be "legit" and since I DID do that I'm better than you, and you, and you." -- like my run on sentences? It's not because I'm uneducated...it's cuz I don't care lol
anyway. What happened with the crazy "milk mom" cam girl IS FUKED UP! it's sad, it's tragic, it's disgusting. And her "camming" had nothing to do with it really, but of course the media would hype that. Drugs, sex, scandal...that shit sells papers. There are fuked up people everywhere and everybody knows it. Was this incident a stain on camming? Sure, just like Michale Vics dog fighting was a stain on the NFL. But no one thinks all NFL players arw dog fighters, nor all cam girls are neglectful incompetent mothers. Keep it real.
As for the "stigma yadda yadda what "they see" stuff" - perhaps I am more fortunate to live in an extremely liberal state, more so than vegas, where our strippers don't wear nothin and can let a customer put a dildo in them on stage, where there's as many pot shops and porn stores as there are 711s, and where the rainbow flags fly on porches free from fear. Is the whole world so fortunate? No. And there are backwards uptight fucks everywhere and letting fear of "their judgement" dictate what you decide seems like perpetuating the problem not the solution with "how people see adult industries".
and speaking of adult industries, how about sex toys? Should people who design them not work on tgeir projects at home while their kids are sleeping? How about people who throw a pure romance party in their home while their kids are gine or in another part of the house with a nanny? Or what about erotica writers who work from home? Or people who design crazy butt olugs like the magic 8ball from home like a good friend of mine does? --- I mean seriously.
I can appreciate someone saying "look these are things that could be issues or be frowned upon, or ecen legaly not okay. People should be aware." --- but "people should get licensed! People with children shouldn't cam from home! Sites ahould make sign ups harder! Should, should, should!" - naw. Fuk all that noise. You do you girl. Let us do us. *shrug*
happy camming everyone! *from your liberal, porn clerk, cam noob* $$$ <3
(Ps. Not gunna proof read this, fix spelling, or try to make my post as grammaticly correct as an essay paper. Lol cuz I aint vot sht to prove nor trying to impress anyone. Party on wayne)
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 02:04 AM
No. Not to be mean but I don't want people to know where I am. Just take my word when I say that there are no camming legalities in my state, county, city, region, etc.
Hell, we don't even have adequate laws regarding the treatment of animals or car emissions standards, or even car inspections. Camming is the least of their interests, what IS at the top is Planned Parenthood.
Aww then marriage is out of the question? Oh cs, scared another one away lol. Now that you mention the above lawless city I think I have a good idea. I have been thinking of moving to a few places the last few years, but I Ann not going to cam forever. Bet your ads no matter where I go I am moving to a place with no state taxes.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 02:38 AM
Kay well "I'm new" so probably should stay out of it....lol BUT (dr phil loves but's hah! I love Dr. Phil, I want to party on his yacht with Ron White)
all I'm reading between the lines from Cyberstripper is "I got fuked by ordinances, this COULD happen to some people, it happebed to me. So I'm pissy about all the "uneducated" people, and people who have more "risk" with children, who should be the ones who need to jump through hoops with "liscensing" and everyone should have to go through what I went through to be "legit" and since I DID do that I'm better than you, and you, and you." -- like my run on sentences? It's not because I'm uneducated...it's cuz I don't care lol
anyway. What happened with the crazy "milk mom" cam girl IS FUKED UP! it's sad, it's tragic, it's disgusting. And her "camming" had nothing to do with it really, but of course the media would hype that. Drugs, sex, scandal...that shit sells papers. There are fuked up people everywhere and everybody knows it. Was this incident a stain on camming? Sure, just like Michale Vics dog fighting was a stain on the NFL. But no one thinks all NFL players arw dog fighters, nor all cam girls are neglectful incompetent mothers. Keep it real.
As for the "stigma yadda yadda what "they see" stuff" - perhaps I am more fortunate to live in an extremely liberal state, more so than vegas, where our strippers don't wear nothin and can let a customer put a dildo in them on stage, where there's as many pot shops and porn stores as there are 711s, and where the rainbow flags fly on porches free from fear. Is the whole world so fortunate? No. And there are backwards uptight fucks everywhere and letting fear of "their judgement" dictate what you decide seems like perpetuating the problem not the solution with "how people see adult industries".
and speaking of adult industries, how about sex toys? Should people who design them not work on tgeir projects at home while their kids are sleeping? How about people who throw a pure romance party in their home while their kids are gine or in another part of the house with a nanny? Or what about erotica writers who work from home? Or people who design crazy butt olugs like the magic 8ball from home like a good friend of mine does? --- I mean seriously.
I can appreciate someone saying "look these are things that could be issues or be frowned upon, or ecen legaly not okay. People should be aware." --- but "people should get licensed! People with children shouldn't cam from home! Sites ahould make sign ups harder! Should, should, should!" - naw. Fuk all that noise. You do you girl. Let us do us. *shrug*
happy camming everyone! *from your liberal, porn clerk, cam noob* $$$ <3
(Ps. Not gunna proof read this, fix spelling, or try to make my post as grammaticly correct as an essay paper. Lol cuz I aint vot sht to prove nor trying to impress anyone. Party on wayne)
If you want to pick apart my posts go ahead, I am not stopping you. I like to write obviously lol and like to edit and use proper grammar. My phone is also not working and I have a stick shoved so far up my ass it makes it difficult lol. Does not mean I am better then anyone. Wether you want to use proper grammar or not our up to you. You have me all wrong. I do not care what others think and perhaps that is why I have made many posts of this nature. The fact that I bring these issues to light, mention the legalities, my personal battles and successes...shows a lot about my true character. I care about the Camming community to the point that I didn't give up in my own personal battles. I faced the challenge, when many people would use given up. I am in a city where a lot of adult businesses exist and they are well ahead of the game when it comes to regulations.....so I am experiencing now what cammers may be forced to experience in the best future as Camming becomes more mainstream. The bigger it gets, the closer the industry is getting to more regulations. If people want to disregard this so be it, but it can be prevented if you keep up on top of it. This is not just the webcam industry. Uber has come under scrutiny and many internet based businesses have over the years. People can get angry and upset when faced with the cold hard truth served on a silver platter by a cold hard Bitch like me. I can talk the talk and walk the walk. If you want to take that, twist it...get offended, catty, take it personal that is on you. How you react is up to you. I do not give a fuck about what others think, but when it comes to business I don't fuck around. If you are, it is a bad business decision. Not me "being a Bitch" when I say that, it is the reality of the situation. So pls feel free to do u, jus make sure u r doing it responsibly. Freedoms can be taken away from us at any time, brohan. Pls keep in mind while you smoke your pot and work in your toy shops that regulations had to pass to make that possible. Fo sho!
Believe it or not I am very liberal, plur, chill stoner, home remedy hag, green lifestyle living tree hugging hippie, accepting of lbgt and a huge part of the lbgt community, kink community and adult community, and all that...but there is a time and a place for everything. If you want to represent your 420 and lbgt community, camgirl community, etc and push to be accepted by society, you will have to realize that and that if you want to be accepted, you will also have your accept people like me as well, and represent your community well. I am not how you paint me, but if you want to be accepted for who you are and what you represent, you will have to fully accept those who are on the opposite end of the spectrum. As far as your other questions go, why don't you take the time and do the research, educate yourself? Nobody is going to do that for you, you want to read between the lines and assume but I wrote clearly and stand by what I say. There is no need to read between the lines. I don't have a right or left wing, I have horns.
KPTfiend
06-26-2016, 03:02 AM
Aww then marriage is out of the question? Oh cs, scared another one away lol.
^^ that attitude speaks for itself^^ like I said, you do you girl. Let us do us. Less tearin' down, more liftin' up. If you are sincerely here to "help" in your own way, then your heart knows it and good on you. Otherwise....your heart knows that too. I was just tellin it like I sees it. *shrug*
and I "don't 420 blaze it" lulz. I am "retired" - and I support "all sides" of the human spectrum and their inaliable right to think and feel how they wanna....I even support their freedom to speak it/live it. :) happy camming.
justsometwat
06-26-2016, 08:01 AM
I quit reading the arguments from CS. no one cares when you're parroting the same thing over and over.
Bottom line is that those two parents where idiots. They were bad parents that only cared about their successes, based on the fact that the mom wanted to start a $20,000~ porn company while they were living in a fucking shanty and their kid was starving to death.
They were up for days at a time putting on shows and fucking other couples and smoking in their homes while their kids were in another room crying. This has nothing to do with porn making laws or the fact that they Cammed but because they are trashy, nasty, unkempt people that were stupid and didn't seem to care about anyone other than themselves.
They had one kid and brought another into the world when they couldn't take care of themselves already (they were homeless) and it resulted in a baby starving to death. Cam models or not they were idiots that killed a baby and know theres consequences.
Yes, the news spun this angle so people think oh no! If they didn't cam then they would have been good people!
But like anything else it's just part of the story, same as celebrities commuting adultery. Lots of people do it, but it seems worse when it's someone famous.
Bottom line? A child is now dead because two people were so goddamned stupid or mean or disgusting that they would rather let their baby die than take it to the hospital or care. That's the real tragedy in all of this.
*~*Zorn*~*
06-26-2016, 08:22 AM
This is the first I've heard of this. Terrible...!! Shit - I have 2 kids and have had to make many sacrifices - I would do it all again too - I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't... Even if you're not doing great financially - there are programs in place to help women keep their babies fed and healthy. Definitely a sure sign of greed and negligence at work...! :-/
On a much lighter note - I love the Game of Thrones gif at the bottom of your page...!! It's the only way I could even smile after reading about something like that... <3
Tigrillo
06-26-2016, 08:33 AM
i'm sorry but I find it really funny how in every instance of life, there's always that kind of high riding bitch who's morally sure of what's right to do with children..... When said bitches have none of their own. ;D ;D ;D ;D keep telling me how you'll parent your perfect imaginary children right!
Ps This is of course not a reflection on the original case, which is terrible. I'm referring to the Holier Than Thou maternity compendiums up there.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
06-26-2016, 09:10 AM
Can you pm me and or let me know what city you are in. I am working on a site/blog lately where I post all major cities and access to links/county resources in regard to webcamming businesses. I am a cold hard, yet helpful Bitch. Maybe I shall make a thread and post what I know, county and city links, and hope others partake in it. I always get hated on when I mention the legalities, etc..so perhaps if the legalities were out there in a post by major cities it would be helpful.
While I am almost 100% sure your intentions are pure when asking for her location, I just wanted to point out that it may not always be safe. Mostly my point is made for the newbies and those who may not understand internet safety. It is not very wise to share personal information with a stranger on the internet. SW is a community built for discussion and support. But at the end of the day we don't really know one another. People please be mindful when requesting or giving personal information. Even if it is in a private message.
Now in regards to creating a thread compiling a list of city ordinances city by city, I would suggest you NOT do that. My number one concern is this is a public forum and I feel that this sort of information can cause more harm than good. Number two so far the responses you've received in regards to the topic of camming at home and camming with children is not being received very well. If you take a moment to read what you have already written "I always get hated on when I mention the legalities.." Theres a very specific reason for that which has been pointed out time and again. You are in a section of the forum called Camming Connectin and most of us work from home and have children. Creating provactive threads on topics that many find offensive may not be as helpful as you may think. In fact some may consider it trolling. Please I do not want to give off the impression that everyone should agree at all times. But at this point I think that topic may have run it's course.
SimoneGray
06-26-2016, 02:04 PM
Just to quickly point out, there are countries where camming is highly illegal, and there are states where the distribution of porn is as well, as well the purhcase/sale of sex toys. Know the legislature of the place you are staying in, just to be sure.
That being said, camming income is taxable. If camming itself were a problem, thousands of girls would get arrested every time they submitted a tax return and popped themselves on govt. radar.
Kids should not be involved in whatever it is you do. If they can articulate what happens in the home, you will ultimately be in trouble. If not, you won't. There are many amazing parents who look after their kids and do sex work totally separately. There are also many parents who are vanilla and who treat their kids horrendously yet no one ever finds out.
Lastly, sex work shouldn't put you on the radar in a crazy way. 90% of us don't actively advertise what we do and where we do it. Just keep quiet and you should be fine. Remember, so many people have awful things going on in their homes and yet you never find out about those. Discretion is key to protecting yourself. What this couple did had nothing to do with sex work. Making a conscious decision to not feed or look after their child properly is exactly that...a decision. They could have produced non lactating porn, yet they did not. They could have used the proceeds from camming to give the child a stable home. They did not. There were so many things they could have done but chose not to. They were simply irresponsible when it came to raising their child. Lots of mother's feed their kids and cam, you just make the choice that your child's life is more important than making money off your milk. Simple.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 03:28 PM
Thank you for not jumping down my throat. Honestly, I am not trying to tear anyone down here, I did not call any of you bad parents, start name calling, etc. Am I saying it is irresponsible yes. A risk yes. That is the truth, how society sees it. I started if I had kids I would do things differently. The fact is, if you are in the adult industry uni General you are putting kids at risk. If you are running an adult biz from home with children, you are taking a bigger risk. This is not me being judgemental, it is the truth. You know it and you will take offense to it, try in your own mind to make this right. I get that. Just because you feel it is right, Doesn't make it right. Just because I feel it is wrong doesn't make it wrong. Your opinions of Right and wrong do not matter in business, and in court cases. It comes down to others opinions therefore you need to be Leary of that. In business, in court, It its black and white. When it comes to this, there is no grey area. I duo not have kids myself, but plenty of my roommates have had children. I have always kept business out of the home, and those of you who are not..are taking the risk. If you know it is a risk and you are still taking it you cannot expect society as a whole to accept you and you're decisions. Society will view you as a bad parent and three it's no nice way of putting it. If this hurts feelings and makes people mad, I am not trying to be hurtful but the truth hurts and needs to faced head on and people need to due diligence. It is time to start caring. If an industry it's not regulated, people should regulate themselves and due diligence to protect themselves, their families and their businesses and the industry.
Camming was pretty much under the radar until 2010 when all large sites started 1099ing performers. This is fairly recent. Also, those who are unlicensed and or falsifying the nature if the business aka calling it internet sales, consulting, marketing, model, etc...are not being honest with the irs. The true way to file is adult internet entertainer in my city, adult internet broadcaster, is also acceptable. The reason why the irs does not catch on, is this is fairly new number 1 and number 2 most models are not being honest about how they earn income, they are simply saying they are in another line of work. You can see posts uni canning connecting all day looking about how models word things to avoid webcam entertainment showing up in background checks, etc. There it's only so much longer cammers will be able to get away with stuff like this, seriously. If we want to keep our freedoms we have to do whatever it takes to protect them. I am sad to be a part of an industry in which people world rather fight, lie, and cheat the system, but if it keeps up....things will change. This is not a threat, it us a promise. You will see 5-10 years from now. I have been in business 10 years and things have changed a lot. You can accept the changes, evolve with them or eventually you will no longer be uni the industry. Governments are tightening up ship. Many webcam sites are no longer viewable in UK because sites did not take responsibility for models doing publc nudity. .xxx websites were being pushed so all adult material world be in a certain area of the internet, etc limiting how people can view pornographic materials in the usa. These topics are old news but believe, there are people in power who are anti porn and they will did whatever it takes to stop it, make viewing it more difficult, and make working in the business more difficult. Camming sites could all be shut down in the blink of an eye if we are not responsible, law abiding and tax paying citizens. Due diligence, so we and future generations of cammers and viewers can perform and partake in this business.
cyberstripper
06-26-2016, 03:41 PM
While I am almost 100% sure your intentions are pure when asking for her location, I just wanted to point out that it may not always be safe. Mostly my point is made for the newbies and those who may not understand internet safety. It is not very wise to share personal information with a stranger on the internet. SW is a community built for discussion and support. But at the end of the day we don't really know one another. People please be mindful when requesting or giving personal information. Even if it is in a private message.
Now in regards to creating a thread compiling a list of city ordinances city by city, I would suggest you NOT do that. My number one concern is this is a public forum and I feel that this sort of information can cause more harm than good. Number two so far the responses you've received in regards to the topic of camming at home and camming with children is not being received very well. If you take a moment to read what you have already written "I always get hated on when I mention the legalities.." Theres a very specific reason for that which has been pointed out time and again. You are in a section of the forum called Camming Connectin and most of us work from home and have children. Creating provactive threads on topics that many find offensive may not be as helpful as you may think. In fact some may consider it trolling. Please I do not want to give off the impression that everyone should agree at all times. But at this point I think that topic may have run it's course.
In my opinion in a sea of people who want to keep things hush hush, because what they are doing may be illegal, viewed as unethical or morally wrong, while being uncertain of the legalities, is being proactive. If we continue to hide and take risks, that is not being proactive. Representing ourselves as law abiding citizens will only help. Saying we dint care, keep quiet, is doing more harm then good. I am not trying to take jobs away from ppl, or give patents no options to feed their families, however, if rules changed imho for the better and sites had stricter sign up process, it would level the playing field and leave room only for true business professionals who are running legit businesses. Those who are not would have the option to continue to work in the industry do so, if they are in compliance. Taking the easy way out, making excuses is not a good thing. If I was a troll I worked be banned along time ago. I have been on this site for 8 years, Camming for 10. I don't talk out of my ass. And don't make posts to get others mad and attacking me. However if my posts duo challenge your mode of thinking, that is a good thing and likewise. I am not name calling, personally identifiable attacking any of you. I cannot control how you react to it, but I am not going to stifle myself for your guys sake regarding sensitive issues because it is frowned upon. I do not come here for approval or validation, so I will never keep quiet because what I say does not suit others.
Rena83
06-26-2016, 05:59 PM
Marriage?
I've been married 10 years.
Kids. I'll raise mine however I see fit. If anyone has a problem or thinks I'm neglecting them they are welcome to call CPS.
As for a forum, nobody knows me, won't know me, I sure don't give out my name/location to strangers, and especially not people who try to tell me how to raise my kid.
I'll cam, I'll PSO, I'll cuss, drink, strip down naked and run a nudist colony if I see fit. Nobody can even tell other people how to parent or run their business on a forum when you don't even know a darn thing about any of us LOL. I could be totally lying, or I could be totally correct.
You can't even make a judgement based off of a forum. Don't have any kids then if you don't like a cam model camming in a home with kids in it. For that matter, don't fuck anybody in the SAME home when there's kids in it. Because you're doing the same thing you are on cam, just with another person. Also, don't masturbate, it's the same thing too.
If you are worried about zoning and regulations, contact your local authorities and ask them. I'll worry about me and mine, thanks.
Now....this is ridiculous. Some bitch decided to de rail a conversation about a person who NEGLECTED their child. This is child neglect which is a form of abuse but it's not sex abuse. So stop de railing it and acting as if being a cam model is the reason the kid died. The kid died because mom didn't feed it and dad didn't step in when crazy mom neglected the baby and buy it formula. Mom didn't do a lot that a parent should do. Likely the kid would have died anyway if mom was just a cashier at Publix or a house keeper at a hotel. Apparently these two weren't bright, and weren't good parents. That's the end of it. As far as cam modeling, you don't have to be smart to be a cam model. There's no litmus test. Do you have a pulse? You can cam model. So there's many, many models who are probably shitty ass people. So what? That's what you get in an industry that doesn't check backgrounds and lets any person with a pulse work as their own boss.
I know though, my PSO job checked my background as I had to pay for it. For what it's worth. I don't give a DAMN if the authorities, the IRS, my lawyer, my ex boss etc know i work in the adult industry. As they know. I pay taxes to the federal and state government, I'm not exactly HIDING my activities. But it's none of my neighbors business. It's not a co workers business. If they don't find me on the site or talk to me as a PSO then they don't need to know. I'm not trying to be a porn star. I don't want to just upload my vagina to every social networking page. Period.
TheBrownFox
06-26-2016, 07:35 PM
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KatyBoleyn
06-26-2016, 07:57 PM
Just to quickly point out, there are countries where camming is highly illegal, and there are states where the distribution of porn is as well, as well the purhcase/sale of sex toys. Know the legislature of the place you are staying in, just to be sure.
That being said, camming income is taxable. If camming itself were a problem, thousands of girls would get arrested every time they submitted a tax return and popped themselves on govt. radar.
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Just wanted to clarify that this part isn't actually true. You can declare illegal earnings on your tax forms and the IRS cannot initiate sharing this with law enforcement agencies. Law enforcement agencies may request your tax returns as part of an investigation, but the IRS can't be the initial tip and the IRS can't share of its own volition. Technically, it is illegal NOT to declare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_of_illegal_income_in_the_United_States) embezzlement, prostitution, or proceeds from illegal drug sales on your tax returns, for example. You can even take business deductions on expenses related to your "illegal activities". Some states even allow you to pre-buy tax stamps to put on illegal drugs that you sell so you can prove the taxes were paid (https://tax.iowa.gov/iowa-drug-stamp-tax-law).
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
06-26-2016, 08:00 PM
Well I don't think theres anything else that really needs to be said here? Except for possible updates to the original topic. However due to the current climate of this thread I just don't see how that's possible? Lets be kind to one another. And if you can't be kind and utilize a certain level of compassion when engaging your peers then please take a break. Step away from you computer and go for a walk or something. But for now this thread is locked.