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amanda36c
03-17-2015, 04:57 AM
A little history, for anyone curious ...

My camming career began in 1997. My debut was with a professional site in the earliest stage of internet porn.
I spent the first two years riding out a measly ten dollar an hour job, hopeful an opportunity would arise that would allow me to work independently. In 1999 came my chance. I seized it and worked hard over the years, building what I thought was my own business. I even taught myself HTML, javascript, utilizing every graphics program I could get my hands on to design things just the way I wanted them. Coupled with marketing knowledge, my newfound webdesign skills allowed me to build groups and populate them with participating camgirls wanting promotion. Every step forward was another step back once the sites began introducing studios and agencies to maximize profits. There were countless ways for them to fill their pockets more, at our expense; some only borderline legal. Everything from content theft to faking live shows with replays, claiming refunds and chargebacks on the girls' hard earned money, skimming from them and the outright overbilling of customers. I grew tired of this. Tired of the games, the way when you speak out, you're punished. I was tired of being harassed, insulted, attacked everywhere I turned, by the same group of pimps who slyly disguise themselves as camgirls in their pathetic efforts to control the industry and everyone in it. The years of attacks and harassment I endured were not from real camgirls. I was only trying to warn camgirls, to help them avoid the paths that would lead to them having to endure what I did, after discovering how the sites stole from us, lied to us, and how they continually manipulate and abuse us. Having grown so tired of this behaviour, I decided to do something about it, so I created CamGirlClubs, a site for camgirls who want to learn how to be truly independent. While a whole slew of other sites in recent years claim to do this same thing, they cannot prove the camgirl actually exists. How do you know a pimp is not behind this? They are, after all, behind every aspect of our industry and have their money-grubbing hands all over our content.


I have a blog filled with years worth of articles about my experiences with the sites I performed on. I have social media accounts where I talk about the industry in the same light I am right now (not necessarily a good one). That is what a real camgirl does. That is how a real camgirl behaves. She doesn't ever attack another camgirl for stating her honest views regarding the sites and their antics. That's someone who feels threatened, acting out in a defensive manner.


I created CamGirlClubs with the intention of giving camgirls an option to move away from the webpimps and become truly independent. Many camgirls are working on platforms that allow them to offer Skype shows, thinking they are truly independent. Well, hate to be the bearer of bad news but you could be under the tent of yet another slimy webpimp, controlling your traffic and selling your videos. Many of the cam programs you see in our industry are designed and created specifically for them. They even own some payment processors and all-in-one solutions which offer suspiciously high commission rates to the girls. These rates are so high because they're making money by recording your shows and stealing your customers. Rest assured with these pricks, you will lose business and not even know what hit you. Yes, they are that good. This is why they hide their ownership behind fake names of people who don't actually exist and companies without a physical traceable location. It's also why you sign contracts with one company yet that name differs from the name of the site you're working on. Many of you are familiar with what I'm saying.


Getting to my point; I've had CamGirlClubs up and running for a couple of years but haven't done much with it until recently, when I decided to implement a Silent Partner Program which allows girls to come on board anonymously, with no one knowing they are involved with us. I created websites for several of them and hooked up others with the ability to offer Skype shows to their customers. I've had more than a few requests to build websites for them and thought about it long and hard but didn't want to take on the commitment. I had other things going on in my life and simply didn't have the time. With those projects out of the way, I now have the time so I've decided to expand on the services offered by CamGirlClubs to include a simple solution for those wanting a password-protected members area to sell videos and have the ability to process Skype show purchases safely and legally.


What does being truly independent mean?

We don't have access to your live video feed. It's direct, on Skype from you to your customer.
We don't have access to the content secured in your members area.
We don't have access to your site (only temporary, in the initial set-up stages).
We don't have access to your customers' information. Only you do, through your very own account.
Choose from a gorgeous variety of stylish templates. We will do all the work for you.
Low prices. Quality work. Excellent customer service. Repeat and referral business is important to us, so you can expect our after-sales service to be top notch.


Disclaimer:
Defammatory comments, libelous statements, slander or any other form of attacks will be ignored. I am not a target practice for webpimps feeling threatened by my presence in their sandbox. I am offering a service. Don't like it? Don't respond. I like to keep things simple. Serious inquiries can be addressed to me directly.
I won't be answering any questions here due to the volume of attacks received in previous years on these very message boards. What started out as seemingly common questions escalated into full blown attacks, filled with insults and slander. No thanks. I'm not here for that.

For samples, pricing or if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly on Twitter @amanda36c or Facebook (just search for my handle).
Thanks for your time girls and happy camming!


Amanda36c

MissJu
03-17-2015, 07:31 AM
May i ask? How you associate with Lj?are you a studio for them, but trying to fed it to us as something new?

SarahTime
03-17-2015, 09:03 AM
May i ask? How you associate with Lj?are you a studio for them, but trying to fed it to us as something new?

What makes you think she is associated with LJ?

KatyBoleyn
03-17-2015, 09:05 AM
So its an indy listing site or a pagebuilder site?

Are there up front fees for building a webpage?

What are the percents?

What are the payout methods?

What makes this unique in business model...do you drive traffic in some way, something else?

I read through 3 paragraphs and just know that maybe you were attacked before...

I'd rather know more about your site/service and what you're offering here.

My high-functioning autism demands NUMBERS!

Bootsie
03-17-2015, 10:03 AM
Wait, so you posted no hard information and aren't going to answer questions? I must have missed whatever happened before, but that's a bit ridiculous IMHO. I would rather read information, discuss it with people here that I trust and respect, and get the same answers as everyone else. Keeping it behind closed doors isn't the way to spread information or get people interested in your service. If it is some big secret that you can't share, why post it on a public forum at all?

audritwo
03-17-2015, 10:24 AM
My high-functioning autism demands NUMBERS!

I find you high-functioning autism sexy. <3

I agree I would like to see some numbers too.

MissJu
03-18-2015, 07:57 AM
What makes you think she is associated with LJ?
Layout of site and banners on right...

space_cowgirl
03-19-2015, 09:19 PM
ANY camgirl can set up a Wordpress website and payment processor.

Content is much more than recorded camshows.

SweetJulia
03-21-2015, 04:03 PM
OP, not to sound mean, but posting your service ad in numerous sections of the site/under different threads looks kind of desperate. Like another poster said, anyone can set up their own payment processor-not sure why anyone would want to go through yours instead of create their own. Plus, weren't you having trouble getting them to pay you months ago? Sex workers don't really want their money stuck in limbo, sorry.

SimoneGray
03-21-2015, 04:14 PM
I just have to say this... and if I am wrong, please advise differently. You talk about the industry being controlled by pimps etc. The general definition of that is someone who take a percentage of money gained by someone else doing the work. Now of course this technically makes every adult industry platform a pimp, BUT, and this is a huge but, they need to make money to keep providing the facilities that they do etc. I am not talking about cam studios like IM that shamelessly leech off the income of girls, I am talking about real service providers such as Model Centro and Boleyn Models. Without the hard work of these two bodies, I personally would not have a great way to setup a site, or have cash in hand when I need it. Neither take crazy amounts of money from my income so it all works out.

Yes, there are sites that do deplorable things and allow men to steal from us all the time. I have been victim to a couple of videos of mine showing up in unauthorized places etc, but that is to be expected from a big box site. You are a service provider, so I am not putting you in that category.

Now, in order for you to keep your operation running, would you not need to do the exact same thing? Designers need salaries, as do you probably for dealing with the administration of your service. Sure, you don't take content or whatever, but how are you providing this service for free? I doubt you can. Would that not make you as much of a "pimp" (by the technical definition) as you are accusing everyone else in this industry of being?

amanda36c
03-21-2015, 05:56 PM
I wish people would learn to read.

SimoneGray
03-21-2015, 06:03 PM
^^ You actually don't go into detail about your payout structures....

amanda36c
03-21-2015, 08:03 PM
Here are all the details, for anyone interested. I have also included a sample of my services, for those who prefer visuals. Serious inquiries only. .

My disclaimer still applies, by the way:


"Disclaimer:
Defammatory comments, libelous statements, slander or any other form of attacks will be ignored. I am not a target practice for webpimps feeling threatened by my presence in their sandbox. I am offering a service. Don't like it? Don't respond. I like to keep things simple. Serious inquiries can be addressed to me directly.
I won't be answering any questions here due to the volume of attacks received in previous years on these very message boards. What started out as seemingly common questions escalated into full blown attacks, filled with insults and slander. No thanks. I'm not here for that."

- I do believe my point was proven.

I can be contacted privately on Skype (search "amanda36c") and will answer any questions you may have. You can also find me on Twitter. Try me. You might be surprised to know I'm not the big bad wolf, after all.

Real camgirls, I can discreetly set you up. It's obvious you all worry about losing traffic because you know the sites are watching. You know they go after girls. You KNOW they're in these forums. Contact me. Privacy assured.

KatyBoleyn
03-21-2015, 08:33 PM
So you build model websites off a template for $100 or member sites for $200, and then you charge extra for more pages. They set up their own processor then. Kewl.

You probably could have compressed this entire thread to:

"Building nice cammodel webpages for $100-$200+. I'm a cool cammodel and I know what I'm doing. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them!"

amanda36c
03-23-2015, 05:56 AM
Real camgirls don't attack the ones who are fighting for their rights and interests. It makes no sense to. Yet, it happens all the time in Stripperweb, Camming Connection area.

For anyone who thinks this is drama, look closer. You're not paying attention. Ask yourself why any real camgirl would attack someone who is just pointing things out about the sites? Why defend the sites? Where are the sites themselves in all this? Do they ever come out or are they out and hiding under the guise of camgirls? Let's be honest here. These forums are full of brainwashing. Girls being 'influenced' by example. The sites can't come out and tell us what to do because that would change our status to 'employees', wouldn't it? We all know what that means. I'm not the only one noticing this. Other girls do too but are too scared to speak out because they know whatever traffic is left will get cut.

I know what to expect from years worth of harassment and attacks in these forums each time I decide to try and promote something. I put a service out there and the first thing that happens is I get bombarded with questions, from people with no interest or who offer similar services. Then come insults, outright lies and full out attacks that might be construed as personal but aren't because they are fabricated. Why so much hatred for someone who speaks the truth about what's happening in this industry? They seem to be taking it very personally. Perhaps I've touched a nerve. But these are real camgirls, right??? I'm only going after the pimps.

This is a familiar scene, which starts out with picking apart every little word I stated in my original post, then their spin on things and turning everything it all into something ugly and negative, eventually tossing in insults, rude behavior, again coming from those who have no genuine interest in the service. Let's keep that in mind. They are also the same group who have attacked me for years in these forums. No matter what I post, no matter when. They seem to have taken up shop here. They haven't just pitched a tent, they've built a home here. You'd swear they were paid to brainwash people here. Or, more lightly put, manage things. Since no one else wants to put it out there. I will.

There are several topics just like this in the Camming forum, but mine got moved here by moderator Loveshooks. There are plenty of services that are advertised in that forum yet not mine. It's funny how the people running these forums are also the ones with the most to promote. Think about it.


My experience in this industry is extensive. Celebrating my big 18th year in just a few weeks. I didn't just walk into the party, folks. Here are some samples of what girls can expect to happen to them, if they dare speak out. This is what happened to me after posting blog articles about my harassment on Streamate. Until I finally discovered who was doing it all along and who was behind them.

loveshooks
03-23-2015, 01:53 PM
I put a service out there and the first thing that happens is I get bombarded with questions, from people with no interest or who offer similar services.

that's because sw is about dialogue, asking and answering questions beyond just what is relevant to our own work. we're a stronger community because of that, because we read the fine print, ask questions and look out for one another by critically assessing the services and sites that market to us. honestly quite often what you read as hostility is just the same critical feedback anyone receives when they post about a service or site. when I was starting my site I spent days and weeks answering questions, and my site is stronger for that. Beyond that benefit, openness and honest, public dialogue are vital when you're asking peeps to trust you with their time and their money


There are several topics just like this in the Camming forum, but mine got moved here by moderator Loveshooks. There are plenty of services that are advertised in that forum yet not mine. It's funny how the people running these forums are also the ones with the most to promote. Think about it.

it got moved because, as I had expressed to you when you posted your first thread about your site last spring, cc is not a venue for unidirectional advertising. that last thread (which began in an identical manner) ended in a lock and a one-sided twitter flame war by you, I don't think anyone is interested in going down that path again. Beyond that I don't feel like spending my time cleaning up the same messes over and over again. with all due respect that's not my job description.

In your OP above you made it clear you are not interested in responding to feedback or questions on sw. that's entirely your prerogative, but that also means the thread is not appropriate for cc. I was actually directed to give you an infraction for that, but I chose not to.

what I've written above is not meant as an attack, I'm simply conveying my thoughts on the matter. I have tremendous respect for your drive, energy and longevity in this business and I ask honestly, would you join a service that approached you the way you approach cc? I read paragraph after paragraph or your critique of other sites and services, but nothing about your own. How can a productive dialogue arise from that?

my two cents, worth less that that probably. I wish you good luck with your project.

amanda36c
03-24-2015, 03:15 PM
I've proved my point several times, effortlessly. It doesn't surprise me that some feel so threatened by my very presence on these boards that they must hustle to delete posts, move threads and make excuses for why my ads disappear but theirs remain in Camming Connection. That is where this topic actually belongs.

And the last word goes to ....

Go ahead. Be predictable.

audritwo
03-24-2015, 04:40 PM
When someone offers a service they want to provide us on SW, and doesn't answer questions. But instead posts links to their site. I know most questions can be answered there. My point is it comes off like you don't care, or open to hearing our thoughts. :twocents:

Anywho good luck on your business

amanda36c
03-24-2015, 04:47 PM
I explained myself quite well in my original post. If anyone has any questions, they are welcome to contact me privately on Skype. I am not opening myself to attacks that start out with 'questions' that escalate into full blown attacks after I reply. Been there before. I know how things work around here.

My original post ...

amanda36c
03-24-2015, 05:03 PM
Always the same. I post something (anything) and get bombarded with questions from people with no real interest in my service. Then come the attacks, insults and outright lies.



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And


I rest my case.

BambiCutieSlimePrincess
03-31-2015, 12:00 AM
"This is a familiar scene, which starts out with picking apart every little word I stated in my original post, then their spin on things and turning everything it all into something ugly and negative, eventually tossing in insults, rude behavior, again coming from those who have no genuine interest in the service."
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You cannot define those who don't agree with your plan/offer as not being real camgirls and how can you tell that she has no genuine interest, regardless? You are behind a computer screen and posting on a forum. Are you guys close in real life/related? (By the way, what makes a real camgirl in all seriousness?) I think it means making money and asking those questions is how they ensure it is worth investing for and not placing all of their eggs into a basket they may not be familiar with. (Not saying the insults are okay!) I just feel that it was a very unfair statement and in no way do I mean to offend you. You receive criticism for things you post online, regardless of that content. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion or good vision of it as you do and I feel by being upset/calling out those who don't agree, may be what is impacting those responses negatively. I don't believe I would enjoy or trust someone offering their service and interest in camming, to suddenly crack the whip over stating ("Real camgirls don't attack the ones who are fighting for their rights and interests.") comes off as though you are calling out every female that sits in front of a camera working as a webcam model, simply because of those who did upset you with their comments, not them, not me but those people..is assuming. I don't think there is a description for what makes a webcam model real other than showing up on camera for your fans.

amanda36c
03-31-2015, 05:07 AM
My offer still stands, for those truly interested, meaning they aren't already set up to perform Skype shows or don't already own websites in the industry, trying to oust any little person trying to set up shop in what they arrogantly consider 'their' industry. It's obvious who's pulling the strings in here.

Of all the girls who have contacted me privately on Skype, not one has had a problem with my approach to this. The writing is on the wall in these forums and it is clear as day what's going on. I need not explain my intentions. I am completely transparent. Assuming I owe an explanation to anyone is not only arrogant but ridiculous. I am not going to divulge how I know the difference between a real camgirl and a fake. Too many prying eyes in here not smart enough to figure out what they need to change and I am certainly not going to help them. Figure it out on your own!

I'm not using brainwashing tactics to get people to join. I am not tricking anyone. I have set a rule and not one person here has respected it and that is to contact me on Skype or Twitter for more information. Am I intruding on someone's property here? Sure feels like it.

I was well aware that my original post would serve more to predict the behavior and general attitude of those with an axe to grind against anyone wanting to merely promote their services here, than to gain any sort of publicity for my service.

I believe in the freedom to choose. Do it or don't but there is no need to attack someone for putting the offer out there. I used to think this forum was for the industry girls but it is looking more and more like it is controlled by industry pimps. That one set of people, with that one common business interest and a desire to have complete control over everything and everyone. It isn't without its rewards though. As the girls get shuffled from site to site, so does the money. And don't be fooled; there is BIG money in this. It's why they need all this control. The girls play right into their hands. Congratulations! Looks like it's working with most. Girls will eventually figure it out and that is your biggest fear. Losing the girls and all the content you no longer have the right (legal or otherwise) to sell.

Maybe I should create another account and name myself 'industry pimp' explaining how I operate my sites and toss in subtle 'suggestions' to the others, how I'd like them to behave, where I would like to see them work. In fact, I will even go as far as to open up a few dozen 'new' cam sites, all hidden under privacy protect so no one knows it's me behind them all and use this forum to get all the girls to join. It isn't rocket science, is it?

BambiCutieSlimePrincess
03-31-2015, 11:36 AM
I am glade those who have contacted you have not had any issues and you never have to explain something you don't want to. Even with an explanation, regardless of being given one it is still an assumption to claim you know the difference between a real and fake camgirl, because there is no one set category for what defines that. I do not see any force that invades your ability to practice your rights over the internet, where you can choose to type and click anywhere and anything you wish. I had considered contacting you through Skype after reading through the starting post to hear more details about the structure..when I then took a back step on the chance of future disagreement on something that may come to upset you with given assumptions attached to those issues. So far, you have let other's opinions stir you away from what was originally offered through kind suggestions.

"Maybe I should create another account and name myself 'industry pimp' explaining how I operate my sites and toss in subtle 'suggestions' to the others, how I'd like them to behave, where I would like to see them work. In fact, I will even go as far as to open up a few dozen 'new' cam sites, all hidden under privacy protect so no one knows it's me behind them all and use this forum to get all the girls to join. It isn't rocket science, is it?"

Most people would not purposely expose themselves into that environment pre-agreement. (Even then, most do what makes them pay by the end of the day.) Nothing you post on the internet is truly private/protected..(First major rule I roughly learned as a starting camgirl, those mistakes later came to greatly assist me.)

amanda36c
03-31-2015, 12:15 PM
Sometimes, other people prove your point for you.

Rest my case (again).

amanda36c
03-31-2015, 12:25 PM
Why would someone, with no apparent interest in a service someone else is offering, continuously hound them? Must be time for someone to create a new persona now (or just use one of the many already created). I'm sure there are enough usernames and passwords attached to them in this forum to fill an entire encyclopedia.

BambiCutieSlimePrincess
03-31-2015, 01:20 PM
Why would someone, with no apparent interest in a service someone else is offering, continuously hound them? Must be time for someone to create a new persona now (or just use one of the many already created). I'm sure there are enough usernames and passwords attached to them in this forum to fill an entire encyclopedia.

No, I think you just have a very bad attitude.

amanda36c
03-31-2015, 01:25 PM
It's a good thing my livelihood doesn't rely upon your approval then. Honestly, from what you've shown me so far both here and in your private message, yours should be the last opinion I give a rat's ass about. Please ... get over yourself.

Go bait someone else. I am not continuing this with you. Play your game by yourself. I called this! lol

amanda36c
03-31-2015, 01:30 PM
All I have to say is ... wow. It's just so easy to get someone else to prove you right in these forums.

amanda36c
04-28-2015, 11:15 AM
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