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Flickdreams
04-05-2015, 03:10 AM
I think the reason alot of people "bash" religion i....... Science is the only way to finding real answers.

http://listverse.com/2012/12/15/top-10-reasons-science-is-another-religion/

ScarletKitten
04-05-2015, 09:41 AM
^^In response to the article you linked:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6HPTom2AY

Thought I'd lighten things up a little around here, lol. :-*

HoolaTwister
04-05-2015, 10:23 AM
Christianity is a desert cult that is totally unnatural for native Europeans and I feel disconnected from it. We were Pagan. Just look up where Easter/Christmas etc comes from.

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 11:29 AM
Don't like Christianity? Fine but to call it a cult is offensive, especially since I don't see people bashing other religions.

ScarletKitten
04-05-2015, 01:17 PM
^^Oh, I don't mind "bashing" Islam and Judaism either. Islam is probably the worst religion ever. They have their own level of misogyny and oppression to the point that they should be in a completely different dimension of misery and corruption.

Seriously. FUCK ISLAM. Extreme muslims take the cake on that one.

HoolaTwister
04-05-2015, 01:31 PM
Don't like Christianity? Fine but to call it a cult is offensive, especially since I don't see people bashing other religions.

Sorry, I mentioned Christianity because that's what I was raised with and am familiar with. Judaism and Islam are desert cults as well (in my opinion) I'm particularly upset with Christianity because it has erased and done away with so much our natural European history and people. Like today. Easter has nothing to do with Jesus.

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 01:43 PM
But anything can be a cult, including atheism, other religions and anything else.

ScarletKitten
04-05-2015, 01:49 PM
Atheism a cult??? LOL! Ummm....no. sorry.

Atheism literally means one who is not religious and doesn't believe in a god. So how can there be a cult for a belief that is not there? lol

My brain hurts now, I have to leave this thread.

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 01:56 PM
Atheism a cult??? LOL! Ummm....no. sorry.

Atheism literally means one who is not religious and doesn't believe in a god. So how can there be a cult for a belief that is not there? lol

My brain hurts now, I have to leave this thread.

Um yes anything can be a cult. There are atheist organizations that are cults. If people think only religious people can be part of a cult are mistaken.Catholic Charities does a lot to help people, I'd like to know of an atheist organization that has done as much. Instead it seems most atheist organization are just interested in attacking those who are religious.

HoolaTwister
04-05-2015, 02:14 PM
But anything can be a cult, including atheism, other religions and anything else.

Of course.

HoolaTwister
04-05-2015, 02:20 PM
Um yes anything can be a cult. There are atheist organizations that are cults. If people think only religious people can be part of a cult are mistaken.Catholic Charities does a lot to help people, I'd like to know of an atheist organization that has done as much. Instead it seems most atheist organization are just interested in attacking those who are religious.

Sure but they have a lot of evil as well that I can't look past. Atheists have done a whole lot of evil too, all the communists have been atheist. I don't belong to anyone's club.

ScarletKitten
04-05-2015, 02:25 PM
*brain explodes*

WHY do I keep coming back to this thread? I must have no life. List me ONE organization that is atheist and considered a cult. Seriously. Where are your references??

And charities exist in both religious forms and non-religious forms. There are PLENTY of charities that have nothing to do with religion at all. And there are plenty of atheists (myself included) who have donated to charities. Your assumption that atheists have no morals and don't help others is just.....wrong.

And so what if some atheists "attack" religion? You know what it is? Fucking self-defense. RELIGION did the attacking FIRST. Read up on the Crusades and all the wars waged in the name of religion. You wanna talk about bashing. Religion did the bashing first. Atheists are simply responding to thousands of years of religious oppression and abuse done upon the masses. They didn't start it. The religious leaders started that shit. Complaining about atheists attacking religion is akin to MRA's complaining about feminism attacking men's rights. Feminism and atheism are a consequence of a male-dominated and religion-dominated world, respectively. Don't worry, religion still outnumbers atheism in this world.

michele11
04-05-2015, 02:34 PM
Honestly this thread is starting to become prejudice and should have been closed days ago.

kaninchen
04-05-2015, 02:54 PM
ScarletKitten, I think your comparison of religion and atheism with MRAs and feminists is really apt. Good point.

That said, comparing atheist groups with religious groups is kind of a red herring. I don't think the two can be logically compared. Atheism doesn't create a community the way religion does, because there's no need to bond over something you don't have.

This is why instances of "atheist oppression" are actually driven by things other than atheism. For example, when North Korea, China, and the USSR persecuted Christians during their revolutions, they were motivated by communist and totalitarian ideologies. Atheism was incidental. Furthermore, while there are probably not any outwardly atheist charities, there are tons of secular charities. Goodwill towards your fellow human doesn't have to be religious in origin.

Nonetheless, it does seem like it must be a challenge to be openly religious on this forum. But in all fairness I think that's because it's so much harder to be a sex worker in a religious world.

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 03:10 PM
*brain explodes*

WHY do I keep coming back to this thread? I must have no life.

List me ONE organization that is atheist and considered a cult. Seriously. Where are your references??

And charities exist in both religious forms and non-religious forms. There are PLENTY of charities that have nothing to do with religion at all. And there are plenty of atheists (myself included) who have donated to charities. Your assumption that atheists have no morals and don't help others is just.....wrong.

And so what if some atheists "attack" religion? You know what it is? Fucking self-defense. RELIGION did the attacking FIRST.

Read up on the Crusades and all the wars waged in the name of religion. You wanna talk about bashing. Religious people did the bashing first. Atheists are simply responding to thousands of years of religious oppression and abuse done upon the masses. They didn't start it. The religious fucktards started that shit.

Complaining about atheists attacking religion is akin to MRA's complaining about feminism attacking men's rights. Feminism and atheism are a consequence of a male-dominated and religion-dominated world, respectively. Don't worry, religion still outnumbers atheism in this world, sadly enough. So I am in the minority, ostracized group, not you.

List one legit religious church that is a cult (and not according to you). I never said atheists don't donate, I asked for a name of a known atheist group that helps others. Not a secular organization, an atheist organization. And nope, religion is not the same thing as being for or against feminism. I am a feminist and am religious. Yes you can be both because not all religious people believe women shouldn't have rights.

Oh and I know all about the Crusades, I read about it in grade school. I'm quite aware of how religions have fought. I've also seen atheist fight too, like protesting because a company had decorations. At my last job I put up a cross and a nativity scene at Christmas and if someone was offended, tough shit don't look. Atheists often start fights so it is a lie to say they are defending their rights. Many find things to be offended about. They don't have to like religion but when they infringe on my rights that makes them bullies.

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 03:12 PM
Sure but they have a lot of evil as well that I can't look past. Atheists have done a whole lot of evil too, all the communists have been atheist. I don't belong to anyone's club.

True, evil is everywhere. Even though Hitler was raised Catholic, he considered himself atheist. Communist countries were anti Christian.

michele11
04-05-2015, 03:12 PM
I'm not a feminist!

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 03:14 PM
I'm not a feminist!

I'm definitely not one if going by the more extremists in the movement. I support women working and pay equality but don't like how they bash sex workers and certain other agendas.

HoolaTwister
04-05-2015, 04:25 PM
I'd like to say that though I'm not religious, I believe in total religious freedom as long as it doesn't infringe with mine. Live and let live.

Southernpassion
04-05-2015, 05:12 PM
I've read this post and I can see a lot of hurt from it. I've had religious debates a lot and I don't mind people questioning my faith because 1) it strengthens it 2)ppl are looking for their own answers too, even if they are being a bit nasty. I don't know anyone's story just as y'all don't know mine, but its not easy for Kelly and others to defend their religion--to defend a belief that no one can feel but themselves. I do believe in God. I do believe in the Trinity. I believe because of what I've been through. You can call it luck, you can call it law of attraction, give it whatever name you please--but I will choose to call it the work of God. Why is it so hard to acknowledge someone's belief without attacking it? In my history, I've learned that most people who openly attack God have been hurt by someone who is supposed to be a religious person. People can blame religion for making certain religious people for acting a judgmental way, but my God is all loving. I attend a church that does not cast out anyone and I love it. My sin is no greater than anyone elses so I have no room to be judgmental. I have gay friends and atheist friends. I don't force my religion on anyone but everyone knows I'm a Christian. A new group of friends of mine are atheist. They openly say Jesus isn't real all the timeeee and I openly say He is. They look at me funny and laugh and we go back to whatever else we are talking about. I guess I say all that to say this, to my understanding this a public and open forum (which I loveeee) why "attack"? I personally don't think she was excluding anyone intentionally just by mentioning "Jesus." just like I don't think my new friends try to intentionally hurt me by saying He isn't real. Everyone is entitled to what they believe in or dont believe in. I mean, I believe that humans aren't the only life forms in the universe but I Don't get anywhere as bashed as some, repeat some, atheist bash for bringing up Jesus and its about the same fact wise lol. I do hope no one takes offense to my point of view tho, I say it out of love.

Optimist
04-05-2015, 05:43 PM
^ I said this forum not this thread. And just wondered how a girls experience went from a huge freaken debate about religion. That is all....

It's become a huge freakin debate because she offered it as an answer to her financial issues and discomfort with the job. People are now weighing how comfortable they are with her solution. You do realize there are debates all over forums...right?

4everresolutions
04-05-2015, 05:52 PM
This thread isn't complete without a Scientologist. I'm sincerely hoping one pops out of the woodwork. *grabs popcorn*

To the OP - Sounds like your current situation is a result of hard work on your part. I'm proud of you for that. I'm also happy you're happy, whatever the reason (God, Allah, Neil DeGrasse Tyson...).

justanothercamgirl
04-05-2015, 06:05 PM
And I haven't found and proof they don't exist. Many relics have been found. Many current Muslim leaders like the king of Jordan are descended from Mohammed.

This statement is a logical fallacy called false dichotomy.

And I say that as someone who was raise Roman Catholic. ;)

justanothercamgirl
04-05-2015, 06:25 PM
List one legit religious church that is a cult (and not according to you). I never said atheists don't donate, I asked for a name of a known atheist group that helps others. Not a secular organization, an atheist organization. And nope, religion is not the same thing as being for or against feminism. I am a feminist and am religious. Yes you can be both because not all religious people believe women shouldn't have rights.

Oh and I know all about the Crusades, I read about it in grade school. I'm quite aware of how religions have fought. I've also seen atheist fight too, like protesting because a company had decorations. At my last job I put up a cross and a nativity scene at Christmas and if someone was offended, tough shit don't look. Atheists often start fights so it is a lie to say they are defending their rights. Many find things to be offended about. They don't have to like religion but when they infringe on my rights that makes them bullies.

Your argument interests me. I truly mean these questions in an non-judgmental way. I am not trying to prove or disprove a point only to understand your position more. I respect that your beliefs are your beliefs.

(1) What are you opinion on if a satanist set up an 'anti-nativity Christmas scene' at work? Would this offend you?
(2) You asked for a name of a known atheist group that helps others...I am confused to how that is that is relevant.

Just to clarify again, I totally get why some Atheists piss you off. It amuses me how some have seemed to use it as a religion substitute but then again this thread personally made me bristle because it is named 'This will Change your life!!!!.....'

I am happy for people who feel like their life has purpose be it from Jesus, Buddha or the Flying Spaghetti Monster but forever annoyed by those that think that this means it will also somehow change my own personal life. :)

Flickdreams
04-05-2015, 07:01 PM
This statement is a ]logical fallacy called false dichotomy.

And I say that as someone who was raise Roman Catholic. ;)


I was going to post that but didn't want to stir the pot! I've done study on philosophy from Ancient Greek, through Romanticism, Nietschtze; and this debate has been repeated throughout time....

michele11
04-05-2015, 07:23 PM
It's become a huge freakin debate because she offered it as an answer to her financial issues and discomfort with the job. People are now weighing how comfortable they are with her solution. You do realize there are debates all over forums...right?

Yes and other threads on here have been closed and locked. And some girls experience resulted in religious bashing and prejudice. She told her story if you are not comfortable too bad. Other threads about other things may make people uncomfortable . There's no need for bashing or such prejudice...

audritwo
04-05-2015, 08:31 PM
I was going to put on my atheist pants and get all logical and anthropological talk. But really, this isn't the place to have it.


I think everyone's made their point.

http://media.giphy.com/media/HMHcZPyHUxsLm/giphy.gif

Selina M
04-05-2015, 08:36 PM
I am happy for people who feel like their life has purpose be it from Jesus, Buddha or the Flying Spaghetti Monster but forever annoyed by those that think that this means it will also somehow change my own personal life. :)

The Flying Spaghetti Monster boiled for your sins >:[ Perhaps his noodly appendage did change her life!

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 09:36 PM
This statement is a logical fallacy called false dichotomy.

And I say that as someone who was raise Roman Catholic. ;)

And the same can be said of atheism.Your point?

Kellydancer
04-05-2015, 09:48 PM
Your argument interests me. I truly mean these questions in an non-judgmental way. I am not trying to prove or disprove a point only to understand your position more. I respect that your beliefs are your beliefs.

(1) What are you opinion on if a satanist set up an 'anti-nativity Christmas scene' at work? Would this offend you?
(2) You asked for a name of a known atheist group that helps others...I am confused to how that is that is relevant.

Just to clarify again, I totally get why some Atheists piss you off. It amuses me how some have seemed to use it as a religion substitute but then again this thread personally made me bristle because it is named 'This will Change your life!!!!.....'

I am happy for people who feel like their life has purpose be it from Jesus, Buddha or the Flying Spaghetti Monster but forever annoyed by those that think that this means it will also somehow change my own personal life. :)

Satanists don't do the nativity so nice try. Anyone setting up an anti Christian display yes that would offend because it is saying they hate Christians. Setting up a nativity doesn't mean I hate anyone. Oh because I was defending my belief I must hate atheists but of course people state they hate religion but I'm the person with a problem? If you read the thread you will see people unfairly ganged up on the OP because of her belief. If it had been the opposite with an atheist, I don't think the religious people would have ganged up. The reason I asked for the name of an atheist organization is in response to the comment about how Christians are so judgmental. I stated that Catholic Charities is one of the biggest helpers of the poor. Salvation Army, a religion, is also a big supporter. I am unaware of any atheist organization that does anything besides fight to keep religion out of places. The fact no one can mention one (I'm not talking secular which isn't the same) proves my point. Once again none of this never would have come up if people didn't bash the OP. I couldn't care less what people believe, in return I ask that people not call names like stupid (which is ironic since I'm smarter than most people I know and have been selected to be on Jeopardy and for Mensa).

ScarletKitten
04-05-2015, 11:59 PM
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audritwo
04-06-2015, 04:54 AM
Satanists don't do the nativity so nice try. Anyone setting up an anti Christian display yes that would offend because it is saying they hate Christians. Setting up a nativity doesn't mean I hate anyone. Oh because I was defending my belief I must hate atheists but of course people state they hate religion but I'm the person with a problem? If you read the thread you will see people unfairly ganged up on the OP because of her belief. If it had been the opposite with an atheist, I don't think the religious people would have ganged up. The reason I asked for the name of an atheist organization is in response to the comment about how Christians are so judgmental. I stated that Catholic Charities is one of the biggest helpers of the poor. Salvation Army, a religion, is also a big supporter. I am unaware of any atheist organization that does anything besides fight to keep religion out of places. The fact no one can mention one (I'm not talking secular which isn't the same) proves my point. Once again none of this never would have come up if people didn't bash the OP. I couldn't care less what people believe, in return I ask that people not call names like stupid (which is ironic since I'm smarter than most people I know and have been selected to be on Jeopardy and for Mensa).

You don't have to be religious to believe in charity... So I do not understand your point. There are thousand charities that are not tied to any religious organization. They don't tag on atheism, because that isn't important.

JessaJade
04-06-2015, 04:59 AM
Unortunately a lot of the time acts of charity are used as an excuse/cover-up for other nefarious activities, sad I'm so cynical maybe but it happens a lot.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 05:07 AM
Which is sad, but that's not the point. There are "Christian" charities that are cover ups... So it goes both ways.

JessaJade
04-06-2015, 05:19 AM
^I might not have put that across properly but I was referring to religious organisations hiding behind not only their religion but also all their amazing charitable acts, making them doubly unimpeachable.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 05:36 AM
It's okay c:

anacol
04-06-2015, 09:31 AM
I've read through some of these comments and want to first start off saying to the lady who started the thread, thank you for sharing your story. To the people who are bashing religions and people who may be skeptical about God and his son Jesus and the people who's wondering about people who are religious but still sin, I'd like to share some things with you from church yesterday. You can believe in God all day, go to church everyday, whatever else. That does not mean you have let him into your heart. He's knocking and have been knocking, but you have not invited him to come in and have a relationship and bonding with you and lead your life. The preacher said it best, there's people out there who wonder, who say they don't believe because of this or because of that or because they need more proof or a sign. If you let God into your heart, there would be no need to question anything, all your questions would be answered. The problem with all of us is we are all sinning because we haven't let him in.
We go day for day feeling like ok I'll get my life together and fix this and that before I get closer to God, but you will never be able to clean your life up all on your on. You'll continue doing and living the same way day after day after day. Once you decide to let him in and take control, he will be the one to clean your life up and open doors for you to live and do the things he wants you to do. Yes we all fall and make mistakes but with God he'll always guide you to the direction you're supposed to be in. So Christians and non believers, whether you believe in God or not, if you wholeheartedly stop using him as a door mat and if you let him into your heart, you will have a true relationship with him where there will be no more questioning, no more wondering, no more back and forth or in between. He will show you, guide you and give you what you need. He will lead your life because you can't do it on your own. Trust me, I know. I've been fighting myself with dancing as well because I know truly that I understood what the preacher was saying. I was one of those people who said if I can go back again and make money, this is the last time and I know I'll be able to get better with God after that. Because I do love God and want to do all the things right that I'm supposed to do. Yes I believe in him, yes I try to be the best I can, yes I pray, yes I go to church whenever I can, but I hadn't totally let him into my heart to take control of my life. He was a doormat, because even though I was doing all these good things, I still also did things I knew I shouldn't be doing. And there's a lot of us that do that, we sin and then ask for forgiveness and then sin again. In the bible it talks about that, which is called deliberate sin. Eventually you won't be forgiven for deliberately sinning and using God as a place to clean yourself but continually getting dirty.
God loves everyone, yes that's true but he doesn't like the sin we create. There's a difference. If he didn't love us, he'd never have sent his beloved son to die for us in hopes that we could be saved from the sin we create. And the reason I'm taking inniative to explain these things to you, is because you all need to sit and think about what you're saying on this thread and the rude things and bashing that's taking place. It's just like racism, if people sat and thought about why they are racist or prejudiced, none of them would have a valid claim as to why they feel that way about another human being. All of what I'm telling you is very much in the bible.
Remember we are fighting a battle between good and evil. God doesn't kill, steal or destroy, that's the work of the devil, who uses the weakness of humans to create such ravishness and evilness on earth. That's what my God is fighting against. So to all the nay Sayers, and to all the people who are Christisns, please remember that. God is everywhere but to get to the kingdom of God you have to let in. Think about what I just said. We all want to get to the kingdom of God, but he is the kingdom. Let him in, and you will be within the kingdom of God. So I understand where this girl is coming from. I hope you all sit and listen and think and stop with the terrible things you're putting on here. May God bless all of you.

Kellydancer
04-06-2015, 10:23 AM
You don't have to be religious to believe in charity... So I do not understand your point. There are thousand charities that are not tied to any religious organization. They don't tag on atheism, because that isn't important.

That's not what I said. I said there are many religious charities but I can't name one atheist charity. Not secular, atheist and yes there is a difference. Secular means no specific charity, atheist means no religion at all. There are many atheist organizations but I don't know of one that does things like help the needy. So until there are any, bashing religions who do help people is stupid. The Catholic Church supports helping people through Catholic Charities. There are Jewish organizations as well and probably Muslim and all other religions. So until anyone can show me an actual atheist organization that helps people, I have proven my point. I don't know why I have to keep posting this since it's clear but some can't figure it out. My point being until someone can post an atheist organization that does good, no one has the right to attack religious organizations that do good. Also, many studies reveal more religious people donate more to charity.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 10:55 AM
http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

Kellydancer
04-06-2015, 11:07 AM
http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

That website admits that religious people donate more and many of those charities like the Red Cross are secular, not atheist. Many of those atheist organizations admit their goal is to advance atheism, and nope don't consider that helping people but pushing an agenda. I'm talking things like having dinners or shelter for the homeless. Even Planned Parenthood is questionable since part of the money goes toward political agendas and that's not what I consider charity either. Finally, most oif those charities are small and dont do as much as religious organizations.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 11:32 AM
Charity is charity. It doesn't matter how big or small. And shouldn't be discredited because of that. The widow offered 2 copper coins, Jesus praised her.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 11:33 AM
Planned parenthood helps fund local women shelters...

kaninchen
04-06-2015, 11:54 AM
So until anyone can show me an actual atheist organization that helps people, I have proven my point.

http://www.kcatheists.org

K, problem solved.

kaninchen
04-06-2015, 12:23 PM
I am unaware of any atheist organization that does anything besides fight to keep religion out of places. The fact no one can mention one (I'm not talking secular which isn't the same) proves my point.

But I think the point you're missing is that it's generally pointless to have an atheist organization or charity in the first place. How many charities are run by people who don't exercise? What about people who don't vote? There aren't any groups of people who don't shop at IKEA starting soup kitchens, either. But that doesn't mean that those people are less charitable than any other. It's just not a practical starting point on which to organize.

Plus, I'm sure there are many more atheists running and contributing to secular charities (that you so readily dismissed) than you think. Furthermore, nothing stops us from donating to religious charities, either. My mom's church does a charity garage sale that I give to every year. I also recently donated a ton of beauty supplies to my boyfriend's church when they did some event benefitting homeless women.

I don't bring that up to brag or make this about me, but rather to show that it's just not really a thing to be charitable in the name of atheism. There's no Atheism, Inc. CEO demanding that we be charitable. Atheists can and do donate simply because we care about other humans and our irreligiosity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

ScarletKitten
04-06-2015, 03:24 PM
Many of those atheist organizations admit their goal is to advance atheism, and nope don't consider that helping people but pushing an agenda.

Now you wanna talk about pushing agendas. What about the crusades? I would say that the catholics killing, torturing, & interrogating people & taking over their land would qualify as "pushing an agenda" at the very least. And then modern day christians and catholics brainwashing their kids into believing that they will burn in hell if they don't worship god. I would say that is an agenda. why does god need to be worshiped anyway? is he that egocentric? why cant we just worship nature, and try to take care of this planet before our species goes extinct because they wont stop taking the blood out of mother earth (oil) and keep poisoning her air, her waters, and the atmosphere. let's talk about something important instead of an invisible man in the sky. we are dying as a human species. we need to save ourselves instead of solely relying on ancient ideas that some people wrote down in a book.

Edit: I really did not want to offend anyone in this thread. I have a general respect for people as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat. But I know I have gone overboard and said too much, and I've offended people, and that was not my intention. I believe in love, not hatred or bigotry. I love you all, despite our differences in opinions. I know I have alot of anger towards certain religions, but that does NOT mean I have anger towards individuals based on their own beliefs. It is the system itself that I have issues with. Anyway, I think this dead horse has been beaten. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

ScarletKitten
04-06-2015, 03:30 PM
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Kellydancer
04-06-2015, 06:31 PM
But I think the point you're missing is that it's generally pointless to have an atheist organization or charity in the first place. How many charities are run by people who don't exercise? What about people who don't vote? There aren't any groups of people who don't shop at IKEA starting soup kitchens, either. But that doesn't mean that those people are less charitable than any other. It's just not a practical starting point on which to organize.

Plus, I'm sure there are many more atheists running and contributing to secular charities (that you so readily dismissed) than you think. Furthermore, nothing stops us from donating to religious charities, either. My mom's church does a charity garage sale that I give to every year. I also recently donated a ton of beauty supplies to my boyfriend's church when they did some event benefitting homeless women.

I don't bring that up to brag or make this about me, but rather to show that it's just not really a thing to be charitable in the name of atheism. There's no Atheism, Inc. CEO demanding that we be charitable. Atheists can and do donate simply because we care about other humans and our irreligiosity has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Once again you and others are missing my point. I didn't say atheists didn't donate so stop twisting my words. It has nothing to do with things like exercising so that is grasping at straws. I donate all the time either but that's not the point. The point is that people are attacking religion even though religious organizations do a lot. Studies also shows religious people!e donate more yet people just want to bash religions.

Kellydancer
04-06-2015, 06:37 PM
Now you wanna talk about pushing agendas. What about the crusades? I would say that the catholics killing, torturing, & interrogating people & taking over their land would qualify as "pushing an agenda" at the very least. And then modern day christians and catholics brainwashing their kids into believing that they will burn in hell if they don't worship god. I would say that is an agenda. why does god need to be worshiped anyway? is he that egocentric? why cant we just worship nature, and try to take care of this planet before our species goes extinct because they wont stop taking the blood out of mother earth (oil) and keep poisoning her air, her waters, and the atmosphere. let's talk about something important instead of an invisible man in the sky. we are dying as a human species. we need to save ourselves instead of solely relying on ancient ideas that some people wrote down in a book.

Edit: I really did not want to offend anyone in this thread. I have a general respect for people as long as they don't try to shove their beliefs down my throat. But I know I have gone overboard and said too much, and I've offended people, and that was not my intention. I believe in love, not hatred or bigotry. I love you all, despite our differences in opinions. I know I have alot of anger towards certain religions, but that does NOT mean I have anger towards individuals based on their own beliefs. It is the system itself that I have issues with. Anyway, I think this dead horse has been beaten. I am sorry if I offended anyone.

Bullshit, you had every intention to bash those who don't think the way you do. The fact that you bring up the Crusades shows this, not to mention all your stupid photos. Fine worship what you want, but telling those of us who do believe we are stupid, uninformed and all the other comments is offensive. In fact, I'm very educated and very informed. Most of the people I attend church with are as well. The only dumb people I know aren't religious at all.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 07:32 PM
Once again you and others are missing my point. I didn't say atheists didn't donate so stop twisting my words. It has nothing to do with things like exercising so that is grasping at straws. I donate all the time either but that's not the point. The point is that people are attacking religion even though religious organizations do a lot. Studies also shows religious people!e donate more yet people just want to bash religions.

Kelly, understand people "bash" religion because it may of cause them harm. May that be physically, emotionally, financially, ect. Just because the church does do some good, doesn't mean they can't express their feelings. Christianity is not alone on this matter. We can have the same discussion over Islam, Buddhism, Scientology, Mormonism, ect. You have much as a right to defend it, as they do to criticize it. If something caused you so much grief, you wouldn't have nothing nice to say. Hell if you don't like what someone says, you can either argue with them, try to understand where they are comming from, or ignore it. If you believe you are right, I know there is no way of changing your mind. So, I'm not going to point out why I think you are wrong. We can do that until we are blue in the face. I just don't understand your point on charity. You were making points that made it seem like "Oh atheist groups don't donate to charity." So if that wasn't your point, you weren't clear. For centuries Christianity has used charity to push their agenda, converting heathens. They did this with missionaries. You are really contradicting yourself.

Also I want to point out that a recent because I find this very interesting, not to discredit you at all. UK based study has shown Muslims give more to charity then Christians. Although probably not for the sake of humanity, but to get into heaven, and mostly to poor Muslims. Some Muslims probably do give to non-Islamic charities or people, but since it's one of the five pilars to give alms to poor Muslims so they can pray for their entry into heaven. You can read more if your interested here: http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013/07/23/muslims-give-more-money-to-charity-not-for-humanity-but-for-heaven/


So really, instead of this endless cycle of arguing who is wrong and who is right. And who is stupid. Just be a good person, and love each other. Take ownership in your hard times, and if you need religion to get you through those trials, fine. Just don't be a dick. That's all what.
I want in the world.

Kellydancer
04-06-2015, 08:11 PM
I wasn't clear? I stated my point several times. I understand some may have been persecuted by religions but people are attacked by all kinds of people. I once got beat up by a black thug, that didn't cause me to hate blacks, just the person who did it. People that hate all of a group because of a few really need to seek psychiatric help. However saying someone is stupid because they believe really means the one attacking is insecure.

BTW I think you are wrong for not reading what I said and for attacking me for my beliefs. I wasn't the one being a dick, I was the one defending my belief against others who decided to attack Christians.