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audritwo
04-06-2015, 08:36 PM
Kelly, I never attacked you. If I was attacking you, I'd be calling you every name in the book. I will always be civil and respectful to your beliefs. That I can promise you.

audritwo
04-06-2015, 08:47 PM
i am sorry if you feel as if I am.

college04cutie
04-06-2015, 11:31 PM
Hi, I am the OP and I just wanted to say something before the post I started was closed. It saddens me that this post has been the source of such contention and hostility amongst such a wonderful group of ladies. I have always been so proud to share my testimony/story amongst people who aren't connected to the sex industry , not because it proves that Jesus saved me from such "dirty" work and took me out of the company of "filthy", dumb women, who didn't have a clue... but quite the opposite. Women who work this industry are some of the most intelligent, loving, giving people that have ever walked the earth (and I'm not just saying this for popularity votes, im sure that ship has sailed).
Some of the best words of wisdom and pearls of encouragement I have ever received, came from women PMing me while waiting for their next private on cam or texting me when I most needed it , when they are leaving the club. I know we might not all see eye to eye and thats okay. There are post on this forum where a pregnant chick has questioned how long can she cam or how much money can she make with her new "fetish" or a lady will ask about advice on camming with a cat in the room, people asking advice on race play, wondering how to deal with the weird guy who wants ageplay in pvt, or someone will post about women camming from different countries and how sad they look, their impoverished state vs them stealing our money by charging so low....There have always been hot button questions and debates on here and for the most part , these issues have always been dealt with , with sensitivity , understanding, and love.... I know this field in which we work is savage in a lot of aspects, with a hustle or be out hustled mentality but there are a few commonalities between us....one being that no one "gets" what we go/been through like someone doing it or one who has done it. If this post "did nothing for you", its ok... but, someone/somewhere on here needed/wanted to hear it (just like someone reading about the beforementioned post/questions on this forum needed advice or needed to understand someones like-minded view-point.... no matter how strange, odd, foreign, unrelated or absurd it might sounded to us when we read it.) I also wanted to sincerely apologize for any hurt that might have came from this... #1 reason being that God is not in the midst of confusion ( therefore, I should not be the source of it), #2 I didn't plan on coming across as preachy or judgmental. Jesus, himself did not come to call the righteous (Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32), nor did He come to condemn or judge the world (John 3:17; 12:47). #3 I'm sorry, if this my post came across as anything less than a message of love, for a true Christian should promote love ( Christ is love!),Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails... and for those who were angered because they have experienced/witnessed the true evils of those masquerading as Christians and have been hurt, I apologize on their behalf...and for what its worth know that Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7:21-23) .

Anywhoo... I still say that I love each and everyone of you, thanks to all the kind ladies who have PM'd me, and also Ill be praying for each and everyone of you!

Naida
04-07-2015, 02:34 AM
http://listverse.com/2012/12/15/top-10-reasons-science-is-another-religion/

I'm really not a fan of this article because most of it flies in the face of legitimate science.

10: I've never heard a true believer of science give humans more credit than we're due. Yes, we are unique in some scientifically relevant aspects, but so are several other species and every true believer of science I know is quick to point out that humans are still animals. My religious mother was angered by this a few days ago when I compared humans subject to a Nazi siege to horned beetles when discussing environmental effects on genetics in the discussion of micro-evolution.
9: I can buy this to a certain degree, but it's blown out of proportion. Many scientists, including those we idolize like Darwin and Einstein, were Christians. The scientific rejection of religion is more a rejection of dogma, not as much a rejection of belief.
8: Of course we look up to great minds in science as "saints." They laid the groundwork for what we know to be true today, even if their own findings were false. Ultimately, this is an issue entirely unrelated to religion or science because it's a matter of historical record; we remember and extol or criticize any person who made observable changes to our lives.
7: Science does not make up stories that we are supposed to believe just because someone said so. It comes up with theories that are meant to be tested. So far, our testable theories like evolution and the Big Bang have a lot of reliable and reproducible evidence that various Creationism stories (not just the Christian one) do not.
6: Ethics are subjective, and I personally believe science's to be some of the best. Yes, a lot of what we know came from monstrous events like the Harlow and Unit 731 experiments. Knowing that humanity has benefited from such acts of evil makes me shudder, even though I cannot deny those benefits. However, to call drug trials unethical as the article does is completely absurd. Patients go in fully aware that they may not receive the medication being tested, and there is nothing unethical about informed consent.
5: This is a valid point that's presented in a ludicrous manner. It extends far beyond just religion and science, for starters. However, the fact that it's a common phenomena is where the similarity ends. Unlike religion, science makes room for those who valid theories. Most of the scientists we look up to were ridiculed at the beginning of their careers or even the duration of their lifetimes, right up until advances in the technology necessary to test their theories made us realize "wait, these guys are on to something."
4: Every aspect of life is prone to dogma, not just religion and science. Unlike religion, scientific dogma changes when evidence comes to light.
3: Science is not "trendy." Science goes where the questions are asked. This point is entirely irrelevant to the article, as religion rarely changes to accommodate public opinion.
2: Nice faux percentage in this point. I'll simply leave it at this- there is a difference between "untested" and "unfounded."
1: The most laughable point of this entire article. Anyone who puts legitimate faith into something that cannot be tested is merely searching for a new religion, not logic. A real scientist does not blindly claim that their theory is truth. They may spend their entire life dedicated to a theory that is eventually debunked, but that does not make them a zealot. The difference between a scientist and a "believer" is that a scientist follows what evidence tells us is true, not what they want to be true.


Don't like Christianity? Fine but to call it a cult is offensive, especially since I don't see people bashing other religions.

Calling Christianity a cult is not bashing it. It's calling it what it is. All organized religions are cults.

Cult, noun: a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.


Um yes anything can be a cult. There are atheist organizations that are cults. If people think only religious people can be part of a cult are mistaken.Catholic Charities does a lot to help people, I'd like to know of an atheist organization that has done as much. Instead it seems most atheist organization are just interested in attacking those who are religious.

There is some contradiction going on in this post. Atheist organizations cannot be cults in proper use of the term, because "atheism" literally translates as being without religion. Sure, some do behave in cult-ish manners, but they cannot be cults.
However, I'll bite on the charity bit. The very first that comes to mind is the Pat Tillman Foundation, which primarily awards scholarships to service members and their spouses but also provides smaller instances of aid in situations involving human and civil rights issues. Others include the Stiefel Freethought Foundation, the Foundation Beyond Belief, the Kansas City Atheist Coalition, the Skeptics and Humanistists Aid and Relief Effort, Humanist Charities, the Non-Believers Giving Aid Disaster Relief Fund, Atheist Alliance International, etc. There are also a plethora of smaller non-established atheist, nontheist, and humanist groups such as the Friendly Atheist who actively fund-raise to make charitable donations. And these are just the groups that specifically identify as being atheist! There are many, many more who do not specifically identify as being atheist/nontheist/humanist organizations because they don't want to "offend" potential volunteers/donations; besides, why make a big deal about religion if you don't believe in it?

The reason most charities identify as being "secular" is so that they leave themselves open to anyone who wishes to volunteer or donate, regardless of their beliefs. This ostracizing over beliefs is a major issue with religious charities. I have had donations turned down by religious fundraisers if the person accepting my donation knew I was not Christian. I have been kicked off of Christian volunteer projects. These days, I am so uncomfortable that I can barely participate at all in local charitable events because they're all almost exclusively run by churches or religious groups. The few times a year that I do participate, usually around holidays, I'm extremely careful about not going alone and not talking to anyone else at the event to avoid a "shun the non-believer" scenario when I just want to help people. And I know that I am absolutely not alone in this experience.

Flickdreams
04-07-2015, 03:54 AM
^ Hey Nadia, to be fair i didn't even read it- but I was trying to gently make the point that science is very much a viewpoint and has become the religion of the modern world; without launching into a massive threadjack or accelerating the dissension already so present in this thread.

It's great that you were prepared to read it and do your research but TBH i come to SW mostly for the purpose of blowing of steam and having a bit of fun, and I try and gently throw my opinions out there (I try :D) because a lot gets lost in translation when we are typing words up onto a screen and the visual and audible cues aren't present.

Also, it's listverse, not intended to be taken cereal, more of a jumping off point for further research if something sparks your interest.

Cheers hon.



ETA: I'm unsubscribing from this thread- I'm not up for explaining the beliefs close to my heart in such an open forum: feels like my philosophy class at Uni all over again... After all, it doesn't matter what you believe about what I believe :D

domina
04-07-2015, 04:20 AM
subscribing.

i might have a religion fetish.

audritwo
04-07-2015, 05:27 AM
BTW I think you are wrong for not reading what I said and for attacking me for my beliefs. I wasn't the one being a dick, I was the one defending my belief against others who decided to attack Christians.


Let eat me expand further.
I wasn't calling you specifically a dick.. You misunderstood. That was intended FOR EVERYONE. It's basically the bible in a nutshell. It's a saying. Again, I will never attack you for your beliefs. This is something I do not do. I will point out what I believe is contradicting or wrong points.

Optimist
04-07-2015, 06:17 AM
Yes and other threads on here have been closed and locked. And some girls experience resulted in religious bashing and prejudice. She told her story if you are not comfortable too bad. Other threads about other things may make people uncomfortable . There's no need for bashing or such prejudice...

The only person who's uncomfortable is you. We all have opinions on the subject and if you feel it's your duty to come into the thread and stifle dissent, take cheap shots etc, then you are mistaken. Step out of the thread and let those who are interested in debate have their say.

simone87
04-07-2015, 04:02 PM
hmm i dont think people are so much "bashing" all christians as religion itself and some of the evil people who run it. i'm another person whose childhood was ruined by religion. religions attracts sociopaths who like to prey on lost people and bend them to their will. abrahamic religions are also very famous for being incredibly misogynistic/racist/homophobic/all that disgusting stuff. i think jesus ( whether made up or real) was a great guy..a liberal hippy. but the bible in no way reflects anything he taught, it just leave me flabbergasted.

as for the OP, i think its great to have beliefs in life. i have a few myself. but you gotta be careful leaving your finances in the hands of ANY invisible entity. its great to have faith, but you also need to run your own life and plan your own finances

Jay12
04-07-2015, 05:42 PM
The Flying Spaghetti Monster boiled for your sins >:[ Perhaps his noodly appendage did change her life!

R'amen.

hyori
04-07-2015, 07:17 PM
R'amen.

Our Spaghetti Monster,
Who art in linguine
Noodled be thy name
Thy cannelloni come, thy will be al dente on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily pasta
And forgive is our fusilli
As we forgive those who fetucinni against us
And lead us not into tortelinni
But deliver us from lasagna
R'amen

whirlerz
04-07-2015, 07:41 PM
I was going to put on my atheist pants and get all logical and anthropological talk. But really, this isn't the place to have it.


I think everyone's made their point.

http://media.giphy.com/media/HMHcZPyHUxsLm/giphy.gif

I LOVE this^!

Naida
04-07-2015, 11:37 PM
Actually it's no longer debating, it's attacking Christians, such as calling it a cult, saying Christians are judgmental, stupid etc. That is bashing and unfair. In fact those claiming that about Christians are themselves stupid and judgmental.

I'm sorry that you interpret it as an attack, hun, but none of us have bashed any particular religion. I think most of us have actually done a pretty good job expressing that we respect your right to believe as you will/do. However, you can't expect posters such as yourself and OP to share your opinions and experiences without giving other posters, some of whom have negative experiences and mention unflattering historical record, the same right.

Calling Christianity, or any other organized religion, a cult is not an insult. It's simply what all organized religions are in proper use of the term. I haven't seen anyone call Christians stupid; it may have happened and been deleted before I saw it, but that would just show that our lovely moderator is not tolerating real bashing. Nor have I seen anyone blatantly say that Christians are judgmental, just that they have dealt with judgmental Christians and that monotheistic/Abrahamic religions have a historical track record of judgmental or bigoted behavior. The majority of "Christians" (and I quote that because I do not believe someone who ignores the teachings of Christ can be a real Christian) I have personally dealt with have been judgmental bigots, but I'm not going to hold that against all Christians. Some of my best friends in life have been devout Christians.

Long story short, can WE ALL maturely share experiences and opinions, and debate them if need be, without accusing someone of offending our sensibilities?

Flickdreams
04-08-2015, 06:11 AM
Glad I didn't unsubscribe before the Pasta talk :D

Optimist
04-08-2015, 09:17 AM
I'm sorry that you interpret it as an attack, hun, but none of us have bashed any particular religion. I think most of us have actually done a pretty good job expressing that we respect your right to believe as you will/do. However, you can't expect posters such as yourself and OP to share your opinions and experiences without giving other posters, some of whom have negative experiences and mention unflattering historical record, the same right.

Calling Christianity, or any other organized religion, a cult is not an insult. It's simply what all organized religions are in proper use of the term. I haven't seen anyone call Christians stupid; it may have happened and been deleted before I saw it, but that would just show that our lovely moderator is not tolerating real bashing. Nor have I seen anyone blatantly say that Christians are judgmental, just that they have dealt with judgmental Christians and that monotheistic/Abrahamic religions have a historical track record of judgmental or bigoted behavior. The majority of "Christians" (and I quote that because I do not believe someone who ignores the teachings of Christ can be a real Christian) I have personally dealt with have been judgmental bigots, but I'm not going to hold that against all Christians. Some of my best friends in life have been devout Christians.

Long story short, can WE ALL maturely share experiences and opinions, and debate them if need be, without accusing someone of offending our sensibilities?

THIS^^^^ is what I was getting at. Once you start a thread saying "Hey guys I've got the answer to all life's stuff--it's Christ!" you will have a debate afterwards. I can't let folks like Kelly speak their mind on single motherhood, welfare, NOT dating dads, etc. but then get thin skinned when the topic touches on my religion. It's YOUR forum, not mine or any single poster. I'd rather people feel free to share their POV than feel silenced. So keep doing what you're doing ladies! And I thought the spaghetti prayer was cute! R'amen! :rotfl:

Nyla19
05-05-2015, 01:05 PM
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