View Full Version : Adult Work in New Zealand? A "What If" Thread

03-27-2015, 02:43 AM
So, this is a thread that's kind of for entertainment purposes but also for maybe serious purposes. In my pretty little mind, I want to move overseas.

New Zealand looks nice. I have friends there, they have better health care, don't stick themselves in meaningless wars, etc.

Anyway, say theoretically I wanted to move to NZ. Are there any camgirls in NZ? I know that they still have terrible internet over there. Bandwidth caps and stuff, from what I've heard. Can you successfully cam in New Zealand?

I know that escorting is legal and they gotta have strip clubs. I mean, before I potentially possibly move over there my husband and I will be done with school and we'll have to start on work visas, etc.

I'm not quite ready to discuss the technicalities of moving over there yet but I want to know if being a camgirl is possible in New Zealand. Primary sites are SM and CMD.

03-27-2015, 01:26 PM
I live and work various adult income streams in NZ.
You are welcome to ask me anything you like.

The cities are currently being upgraded with ultra fast broadband & my broadband was already pretty good

03-28-2015, 11:58 PM
Oh gosh, there is so much I would love to ask, haha. I would take way too much of your time.

Were you natural-born Kiwi or did you Expat there from the US? I would really only want to continue camming, I would strip if needed and if there were any good clubs, but by the time I move there I hope to have a main income through a different job and take up camming on the side. I see no point to stop filming clips or making at-home income. :)

I'm happy to hear that NZ is upgrading their internet. I'm primarily looking at Auckland since I have a friend that lives there already.

I guess if I have anything to ask, it would be: Is there anything you HATE about New Zealand?

03-29-2015, 01:04 AM
I was born here.
You wouldnt even bother dancing its not worth it.
You would ideally do camming and online stuff from here for the least stressful income stream.

The real question is what type of person are you?
Aussie can be a better option for those who want a more party oriented lifestyle, NZ is laid back and outdorrsy etc with less of a "nightlife"

I love NZ, theres nothing really to hate.

HOWEVER i have known many who couldnt wait to leave because they wanted to go clubbing etc, so it depends really.

The people are good, its safe, beautiful and there is alot of opportunity.

03-29-2015, 01:21 AM
My husband would work and I would use camming to pay rent and for basic expenses. I'm going to have a back-up job as well. I'm just gonna throw some stuff at you, including things my kiwi friend told me, for your opinion.

We like laid back and outdoorsy. We're not the partying type, but we have a few good friends in Auckland who know how to throw a good house party so there's that.

Primary reasons for wanting to move would be (I live in the US so this is all perspective) better health care, better schooling for our future children, a country that isn't trying to screw us over, job opportunities for him, and really just a change of pace, politically speaking, than the US. This country is in absolute turmoil. No matter what we do, we're screwed health care wise (either make too much money to qualify for subsidies or make too little money and stay on government aid), we're screwed education wise, and we don't want our kids to grow up here really. I've even considered homeschooling them because the US school system is so far behind compared to other countries.

Things my male kiwi friend said: It's easy to find a 30-40 hours per week job and employers already pay into health care, so they can't hire you for less hours to avoid paying you benefits like the US does. (My husband can't find decent full-time work anymore. It's all part-time temporary no-benefits work). The US won't have Social Security by the time we "retire," it's pretty much bankrupt. NZ pays into programs for its citizens, not unnecessary wars.

I'll get my stripper-self on here in Las Vegas and be done then.

It just seems like such a well-rounded country. The US is slipping further and further behind. We don't want to stay in a place where we're not technically obligated to.

04-03-2015, 01:17 PM
If you're under 32 (I believe) you should be able to get a work visa easily for being a "young" adult.

04-04-2015, 01:07 PM
Primary reasons for wanting to move would be (I live in the US so this is all perspective) better health care, better schooling for our future children, a country that isn't trying to screw us over, job opportunities for him

Not wanting to rain on anyone's parade, but I did some research regarding emigrating to NZ prior to deciding to move way south of the border. If you and your husband are US citizens, you should do some deeper research as well, because ...

- while it's relatively easy to obtain NZ 'temporary' work visas, it is NOT so easy to obtain NZ permanent resident status ... and its next to impossible to obtain NZ citizenship

- NZ law was changed a few years ago such that children born in NZ to persons who are not NZ citizens or permanent residents are NOT considered to be NZ citizens. Thus in the absence of your having obtained NZ permanent resident status, future children would ( only ) be US citizens 'temporarily' residing in NZ the same as you and your husband.

- by the letter of NZ law, persons residing in NZ who are not NZ citizens or who do not have permanent resident status are NOT eligible for NZ social welfare benefits ( which may affect the availability of 'free' education, 'subsidized' health care, unemployment benefits, gov't funded retirement benefits, etc. )

According to my research, the path to becoming a NZ permanent resident requires two solid years of work in NZ on a 'temporary' work visa, followed by a NZ gov't 'invitation' based on possessing a high demand skill, based on starting a NZ business, based on having significant amounts of money to invest, based on having relatives who are NZ citizens, etc. There is also a requirement of 'being of good character' ... which adult industry related work could potentially conflict with. However, in the absence of a successful permanent resident application, it's of course possible to continue renewing 'temporary' work visas more or less indefinitely.

Also, in the absence of having a NZ ( or other country's ) citizenship, you can't renounce your US citizenship. This means that some amount of your NZ earnings may still be subject to US income taxes ( although income taxes paid to NZ can be subtracted from the US income tax bill ). For US ex-pats in NZ this typically works out badly, because NZ's income tax rates are lower than US income tax rates ( meaning US ex-pats must still pay the difference to the IRS ), while NZ 'sales' tax rates ( which US ex-pats must fully pay whenever they spend money in NZ ) are significantly higher than US sales tax rates.

It just seems like such a well-rounded country. The US is slipping further and further behind

Again not meaning to be unnecessarily 'negative', but NZ, like most other countries, treats 'temporary' residents ( and their children ) in a far different manner than the USA does. This is arguably one of the reasons that NZ is able to offer 'better' schooling and 'better' health care to its citizens and permanent residents ... by denying such 'free' or 'subsidized' benefits to 'temporary' residents, while still collecting NZ income and 'sales' taxes from those 'temporary' residents to help pay for the 'free' or 'subsidized' benefits for the NZ citizens and permanent residents !

Also, in terms of NZ's longer term economic future, consider the following ...

(snip)Statistics New Zealand listed the biggest foreign owners of New Zealand companies as coming from Australia, the United States, the United Kingdom, Singapore and Japan. The corporations from these countries are making massive profits out of New Zealand. They are New Zealand's truly biggest invisible export. In the past decade, foreign investors have made $50.3 billion profit, of which 68 per cent was sent overseas. In some years, more was sent overseas than was actually earned. This means, for every man, woman and child in New Zealand more than $12,500 has been creamed off and sent overseas in the past 10 years.

If that's not bad enough, Horton claims that the great majority of foreign "investment" is spent on takeovers, not creating any actual assets. If our new foreign owners were creating high-paid jobs, I wouldn't feel so miffed. But they're hopeless when it comes to investing in real jobs. These companies only employ 19 per cent of the workforce.

Horton tells me that most of the time, when foreign investors buy up New Zealand companies, they cut staff and push down wages"(snip)

(snip)Our country is being gobbled up by non-New Zealanders who either treat us as a holiday destination or a place to cream off the cash at our expense.

And yes, I know we're supposed to embrace globalisation and get into the real world. But I'm afraid I just can't bring myself to play that game.(snip)

Also, Statistics NZ just reported a rising unemployment rate for the most recent quarter, due in part to the continuing influx of 'temporary' foreign workers, as well as a reduction in demand for NZ's beef, dairy, iron, steel, wood, paper etc. exports to China / Asia.

Bottom line, of course, is that it's worth checking in detail how much 'greener' the proverbial 'grass' really is on the other side of the Pacific.

04-05-2015, 04:01 AM
Very true Melonie. Thanks for the very valuable insight, as always. My husband and I have talked about getting degrees in those in-demand jobs to increase our chances. But most likely, we're stuck here. It'll take years of planning if we make it out.

04-05-2015, 06:05 AM
It'll take years of planning if we make it out.

I hear you on this !!!

Unfortunately, the USA is arguably already engaged in enacting new regulations which make it more difficult for ( non-rich ) Americans to emigrate with each passing year. For example, last year's major new regulation was FACTA ... which requires that foreign banks with branch businesses located in the USA begin collecting data for all US citizen accounts, and subsequently report that data to the IRS. The reaction to this was that the majority of foreign banks will no longer open bank accounts for ( non-rich ) US citizens, because the bank's cost of IRS data collection and reporting exceeds any bank profits the ( non-rich ) US citizen account would generate. In your specific case, this could mean that you would have great difficulty opening an account with any international bank in NZ, and near zero chance of being approved for a loan in NZ, as long as you only have 'temporary' resident status.

This year's new regulation is a 30% 'withholding tax' being imposed on certain US citizen assets which would-be ex-pats will try to take out of the country. This is based on the premise that the ex-patriating US citizen may be doing so for tax avoidance reasons, - i.e. if the IRS 'seizes' 30% of the ex-patriating US citizen's liquid assets, they presumably have enough money 'in escrow' for the payment of that person's next year's US tax obligations without having to try to audit / extradite the ex-pat US citizen while they are residing in a foreign country. But this also makes it extremely difficult for ( non-rich ) newly ex-patriating US citizens to come up with enough money to buy a house / start a business etc. in that foreign country after being forced to 'leave' 30% of their assets still within US borders. It's also extremely inconvenient where non-liquid assets are concerned, i.e. the ex-patriating US citizen effectively being forced to come up with additional cash equal to 30% of the market value of a US house, 30% of the market value of US stocks and bonds, etc. ( or, alternately, being forced to sell that house or those US stocks and bonds, and 'turning over' 30% of the proceeds ) before the US state dep't will approve that US citizen leaving the country for any reason other than a short term 'visit'. Under such circumstances, the US state dep't may officially request that the foreign country block the issuance of a 'temporary' work visa and issue a 'visitor's' visa instead ( which will not allow the US citizen to legally work after arriving in that foreign country ).

And on the 'flip side', many foreign countries which have gained popularity as destinations for US ( and other western country ) ex-pats are arguably starting to take 'heat' from their own citizens regarding the ex-pat influx and it's associated effects or perceived effects ( i.e. rising unemployment, change in local culture, 'drain' on the country's health care system, etc. ). Thus these destination countries already have - or may in the near future - change their rules regarding the issuance of 'temporary' resident work visas, the 'rights' of temporary residents as well as 'rights' of children born to temporary residents within the country's borders, the available paths for ( non-rich ) ex-pats to obtain legal permanent resident status or citizenship, etc. My own decision to move 'way south of the border' a few years ago was actually driven by beating the deadline for an impending change in my 'adopted' country's rules regarding their available paths to permanent resident status and future citizenship ( I actually got in under a program intended for ex-pat 'retirees', which at the time my 'adopted' country had no set age limit for ).

The point I'm trying to make, of course, is that ( non-rich ) Americans are likely to find their future ability to become ex-pats who are actually able to live, work, and raise children in a foreign country under conditions which are more favorable than staying within the USA will become more and more limited with each passing year. Thus attempting to make long term expatriation plans is highly likely to be subject to 'the rules of the game being changed' before their plans can proceed to the point of actually leaving the USA.

04-05-2015, 09:59 AM
I'm tired of this country trying to screw me over. ;-; Here I am just thinking if I get all of my debt paid off and sell off all of my shit, they'll just let me go do my thing in NZ. Assuming that my husband and I have degrees in fancy needed stuff.

I mean, I thought that the hardest part of moving to NZ would be getting temporary 2-yr visas and finding jobs in those fields. I can make the money to move what little belongings we'll have and deposits and stuff, money isn't the factor. But from the way it sounds, leaving the US is just as difficult to leave, if not more difficult, than it is to get a 2-yr visa in NZ.

See, now I'm just miffed that this so-called amaaaaazing country has the ability to make my life terrible for trying to leave. I feel like an obstinate child, "Why don't you just stop me?!"

04-05-2015, 12:53 PM
Some south American countries are still pretty easy to emigrate to. I know someone who recently moved to Ecuador and had citizenship within a few months, I believe Uruguay and Paraguay have pretty straightforward immigration procedures too.

Or if you have your heart set on NZ maybe look into student visas? You can go to school for jobs on the high demand list and it's probably cheaper than or at least comparable to tuition at American universities!

04-05-2015, 05:02 PM
Some south American countries are still pretty easy to emigrate to. I know someone who recently moved to Ecuador and had citizenship within a few months, I believe Uruguay and Paraguay have pretty straightforward immigration procedures too.

Indeed there are, or at least there were, several countries which offered instant permanent resident status, a 'fast' path toward citizenship, etc. But, as pointed out earlier, lots of countries have recently changed, or are now reviewing, their immigration laws due to 'heat' coming from the country's own citizens. Ecuador has already made changes which leave 'temporary' visas fairly easy to obtain, but which make permanent resident visas more difficult and citizenship VERY difficult ( unless the person has hundreds of thousands of dollars, or has relatives who are Ecuadorian citizens ). Ecuador's major 'virtue' for would-be ex-pats is the very low cost of living ... $US 1,500 a month allows for a very comfortable lifestyle.