View Full Version : Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black one
Nina_
04-09-2015, 06:11 PM
I don't like the weave comments when people act like only black girls wear weaves/wigs/extensions. Like other posters have said, many dancers of ALL races wear extensions of some form. Almost all of the top earners I've met have worn extensions of some sort lol. My hair is 15" long and at work I wear 20" clip-in extensions because I think it enhances my stripperish look and always makes me hair look better if I'm having a bad hair day. I'm going to switch to 22" soon. Fake hair is fake hair, whether it's a wig, sew-in weave, tape extensions, fusions, clip-ins, whatever (although the hair should be "real" in the sense that one should go for human hair and not synthetic), my clip-ins are always high quality human hair. It blends with my hair so well, customers never know it's extensions unless they grab the back of my hair (I only use 4 rows of clip-ins, and in the back of my head only). Let's face it, it's common knowledge that applying heavy heat on your hair is damaging. So instead of straightening or curling it, you can keep your hair healthy by wear some form of extensions at work so you're not putting too much trauma on your hair.
As far as whether white women are more desired, depends on the club, the customer, and the dancer. If the club has a low amount of black girls, it'll be easier for them to make money. If the club has "too many" for "customer demand," then the black girls are going to suffer. We can't pretend black dancers (especially dark skinned ones) don't have a disadvantage. However, there are guys who have certain fetishes for specific races (black, Asian, etc) and those girls can obviously bank off those customers. And if a black girl is the only girl or one of the only girls in the club who is black, she will bank off customers with Black Girl Fantasies.
Christina2013
04-09-2015, 08:21 PM
I skipped all the comments in here, and in response to the original topic, here is my input:
It depends on the customers. My area of town is predominantly white, like throwback redneck types. The black girls at the dive out here do seem to have more issue making money. At my club in an area of town with all kinds of customers, the black ladies do just fine. The old white farts LOVE them, and most of them get along with the young guys very well, so that's where they tailor their attention to. Most of them seem to know who to avoid and who to approach.
I have seen management at many clubs put a quota on black girls though, or else only hire those who are dressed up in full lingerie and look like a class act (they don't hire the girls who appear to have come from the ghetto, and will send them to one of the "hood" clubs).
What part of Phoenix has throwback rednecks? I can only think of one club that would be in a "redneck" part of town.
Christina2013
04-09-2015, 08:29 PM
Thinking more about the original question. I would say that in real life I think white women are desired more for overall but I think in a strip club setting overall for the average guy I'd say no - guys are horny. This all depends on the customer though. Every customer thinks differently. They are not all the same. There are going to be some guys that obviously don't like black women and will say no but there are also guys who don't like white women and say no to them too. The main problem is the management/owner. They are the ones who decide who they are going to hire. I also don't think because a black girl is dark skinned she will be at a disadvantage. Depends on the guy. If you just focus on the whales/guys that really have money - you'll make money. Don't waste time trying to appease everything customer. No matter what we look like none of us will be able to get 100% of guys to by dances from us.
EastCoastDancer01
04-09-2015, 09:03 PM
No. A pretty girl is a pretty girl regardless of her race. Most men just want a girl that is attractive, likeable and sensual. In every race, there is a girl like that. I have danced with many non white dancers and I've seen them make bank and have steady regulars (mostly white guys). From what I've seen, the only men who are insistent on only dancing with white girls are the weasel-y old fashion types. But if a girl is hot and takes good care of herself, it doesnt matter if she's white black or bright green, she'll get dances!
Naida
04-10-2015, 08:23 AM
The only reason a girl does not make as much money as someone else is because she did not hustle hard enough or get lucky enough to get the whale. I have seen many, many times black girls and asian girls make more than white girls.
I have to disagree. Some times, even the best hustlers just aren't going to make good money if their persona doesn't work for the club they're in.
Nina_
04-10-2015, 09:27 AM
^Agreed. I also think WoC, especially darker skinned girls, have to hustle way harder to make the same amount of money as the white girls / lighter skinned girls they work with.
Christina2013
04-10-2015, 11:11 AM
^Agreed. I also think WoC, especially darker skinned girls, have to hustle way harder to make the same amount of money as the white girls / lighter skinned girls they work with.
I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
NightGoddess
04-10-2015, 11:28 AM
Why would a good hustler be in that kind of club then? If you are not making money at a club, you leave and find a place where the money is good for you and you can hustle well.
Selina M
04-10-2015, 11:33 AM
What part of Phoenix has throwback rednecks? I can only think of one club that would be in a "redneck" part of town.
There's a few. Apache Junction mainly, but the part of Phx that I'm from is 98% white and has plenty of the old school hicks left, and those people do go to some of the clubs out that way... not the whole customer base but enough to make their presence known.
Christina2013
04-10-2015, 01:07 PM
There's a few. Apache Junction mainly, but the part of Phx that I'm from is 98% white and has plenty of the old school hicks left, and those people do go to some of the clubs out that way... not the whole customer base but enough to make their presence known.
Just asking cause I've lived in Arizona my whole life and the only club in a "redneck" area is the Desert Flame.
miss.a.p1600
04-10-2015, 04:03 PM
I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
True there is colorism among blacks but also some white customers do this as well. I've heard way too many ridiculous comments about skin tone and hair texture and how having less black features gives white men, and even other races of men, some type of reassurance of being with a black woman.
Overall colorism originated from slave times where lighter skinned or mixed blacks were 'favored' by being able to work in the house vs outside in the field. So blame the slave owners for passing down such ignorant beliefs.
I say reject this ignorance. You cant control the skin your were born in or your DNA.
SnuffleUffleGrass
04-10-2015, 04:18 PM
I just really don't buy into this idea that darker skinned WOC have no luck at the club. I've personally known 2 very dark skinned WOC dancers who earned as much as me (one girl earns quadruple what I earned- she looks like Iman in terms of face & figure, so that kind of explains it.)
Also in a city close to me Somalian girls have been known to work at the better clubs and with the fee structure of those clubs....they couldn't afford to keep working if they weren't able to make a profit. Fees and tip outs in those clubs easily exceed $120 anywhere.
People in general don't realize that men going through mid-life crisis (aka a very profitable phase for that kind of man's stripper friends LOL) will often go on sprees of "adventure", wild behavior and extended vacations. He will try things he never tried before and go places he was too shy/underconfident/ignorant for before he matured.
tempest666
04-10-2015, 04:34 PM
Dark skinned WOC can bank but all the ones I've seen have been very petite. Lighter skin gets more leeway in terms of build. (My observations in PA clubs)
Naida
04-10-2015, 05:11 PM
Why would a good hustler be in that kind of club then? If you are not making money at a club, you leave and find a place where the money is good for you and you can hustle well.
Good hustlers normally won't STAY at a club that doesn't work for them if they have a choice.
miss.a.p1600
04-10-2015, 05:33 PM
I just really don't buy into this idea that darker skinned WOC have no luck at the club.
I think this is a good point you have snuffleufflegrass - that is not to buy into other peoples irrational beliefs and prejudices. I'm not saying darker skinned women have absolutely no luck at the club because many, like the women you work with do, but that colorism / racial prejudice is real and does in fact exist in some regions / clubs. Me personally I believe my time is just as valuable and my looks are just as appealing as a white woman and I charge just as much as white dancers but if I felt I was up against very strong prejudice that affected my income I would move, if possible, to an area where skin color is less of a factor.
fionatulip
04-11-2015, 01:53 AM
So, I had heard the term "white privilege" in my university classes, but had never understood what it actually meant until I started stripping. There is a crazy hiring standard for white women versus black women but there isn't such crazy discrimination among the clientele. I'm also a white female, so I really don't understand what WOC experience. I've just noticed the ridiculous hiring standards and "quotas" of WOC that clubs have. It's ridiculous. I was auditioning with this beautiful black girl once, and she was given a shitty shift, while I was given the prime shit. I'm an average, at best, looking dancer. This girl was soo beyond more beautiful than I was, but I had that "privilege" of being blond haired, blue eyed.
ScarletKitten
04-11-2015, 02:20 AM
^^Exactly. "White privilege" really does exist. It is an extremely unfortunate fact, and completely unfair, and humanity should really evolve past this problem.
All I can say is thank goddess for urban clubs. At least black dancers have an advantage there (given they have the body and stage moves.)
newb2
04-11-2015, 03:56 AM
Honestly this thread is making me happy I don't work in the us
Glamsquad91
04-11-2015, 04:31 AM
It can sometimes depend on management too and what THEY want vs what the customers want as well. From personal experience I have seen managers automatically throw black women on the day shift of thier club giving them bogus excuses on why night time was not available but yet a non black new dancer gets the privilege of having night shishift. Sometimes the manager can be pretty surprised on what men of all races like but chooses to go thier own route.
I feel upscale clubs to be more open when hiring black women b/c of thier strict policies which already excludes 75 percent of dancers anyways so if ANY women fits the high class look, they are hired.
Customers like all kinds of women including black so if these managers would remove thier heads from where the sun doesn't shine maybe they could make more business and make more profit by delivering diversity and more options to thier customers.
JessaJade
04-11-2015, 09:53 AM
I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
This is actually a good point. In the same vein, when I wear any kind of 'fake' hair it is more often black guys who comment on it rather than white guys.
Nina_
04-11-2015, 10:09 AM
I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
So are we saying no prospective customers will be black? If you are "it is blacks who care more about that," that STILL means a darker skinned chick will have a harder time!
As well as with white customers. My old best friend, who I danced with for years, is a very dark skinned black girl. The "playing field" for her is not even, nor is it for most of the dark girls at my club. They have to hustle way harder. Lighter skinned black girls do too, but darker skinned ones have it worse IMO. Besides, a lot of lighter or even medium skinned black girls can "pass" for being mixed with other things.
My mom is mostly black, but I'm white on my dad's side (mostly Ukranian) customers usually think I'm Italian, Middle Eastern, Indian, or sometimes Latina (the guesses are endless really). I've definitely encountered racist remarks about black girls there from customers who didn't know yet that I am part black...
Saying that white girls are "more desired" is tricky, but in terms of strip clubs, I acknowledge that it's easier for a white woman to consistently make money - as long as you're at a white or mixed club, there is ALWAYS a demand for them. I'm not saying black girls can't make a bunch of money, but at a lot of clubs they are exceptions to the rule, and they also tend to have higher standards for getting hired. At the first club I ever worked at, one of the top earners was dark skinned. She also had huge boobs, a tiny waist, not-so-huge ass, long legs, and an exotic face. She looked like a black barbie and had two master's degrees so she knew how to converse and hustle.
Christina2013
04-11-2015, 10:48 AM
So are we saying no prospective customers will be black? If you are "it is blacks who care more about that," that STILL means a darker skinned chick will have a harder time!
As well as with white customers. My old best friend, who I danced with for years, is a very dark skinned black girl. The "playing field" for her is not even, nor is it for most of the dark girls at my club. They have to hustle way harder. Lighter skinned black girls do too, but darker skinned ones have it worse IMO. Besides, a lot of lighter or even medium skinned black girls can "pass" for being mixed with other things.
My mom is mostly black, but I'm white on my dad's side (mostly Ukranian) customers usually think I'm Italian, Middle Eastern, Indian, or sometimes Latina (the guesses are endless really). I've definitely encountered racist remarks about black girls there from customers who didn't know yet that I am part black...
Saying that white girls are "more desired" is tricky, but in terms of strip clubs, I acknowledge that it's easier for a white woman to consistently make money - as long as you're at a white or mixed club, there is ALWAYS a demand for them. I'm not saying black girls can't make a bunch of money, but at a lot of clubs they are exceptions to the rule, and they also tend to have higher standards for getting hired. At the first club I ever worked at, one of the top earners was dark skinned. She also had huge boobs, a tiny waist, not-so-huge ass, long legs, and an exotic face. She looked like a black barbie and had two master's degrees so she knew how to converse and hustle.
I would not dance in Michigan or anywhere in the south for example. Experienced traveling dancers find the clubs that suit them. If I already know black men don't really spend money and no where close to what whites spend why would I waste my time approaching a black guy for a dance when they usually just wanna holla or talk. I work in Arizona, on the east coast and in the midwest. For me, my clubs don't get too many black guys. Maybe a couple a day. My Arizona club doesn't even get a black customer everyday. This may be racist but I only approach white guys and latin guys second. Black men largely do not spend money I'm sorry but its true. So I do not care if he is racist against his own kind or gives some money to a light skinned chick. I need vip rooms. I got 5 last night from 4 different white guys. Anyone who really knows how to hustle will make money. If it is that bad where you live for dark skinned women. I'm glad I don't have to work there. Keep in mind guys always trash talk other dancers. I always here how guy don't like blondes, white girls, mexican girls etc and as soon as I leave they are with a girl like that. I even here almost everyday about how some guy doesn't like fake tits and then they go buy dances from a girl with fakes.
I know a 50 year old attractive black dancer. I would consider her medium skinned. She pulled in 11,000 in 2 weeks (12 shifts) back in February of this year working at a whole in the wall strip club with a no touch policy in South Dakota. So I know or have known many black women dark/medium who bank. Just depends on where you dance. She also travels from Milwaukee to work in South Dakota so she must be making $$ there.
IMO black women (not mixed) face most of their discrimination from black and Asian customers (2 groups who largely never spend) and the management when initially getting hired. Like I said if she works in a majority white club she'll be fine. Yes there is gonna be some white guys who don't like black women too but if u focus solely on high rollers and dudes with money you'll make money if you got a mouth piece.
Christina2013
04-11-2015, 10:56 AM
Many high end clubs do this all the time. Thanks for admitting that average white girls can work in high end clubs and a black girl (not mixed) has to be top notch to be given a chance and some don't get the chance because of racist hiring policies.
QUOTE=fionatulip;2748183]So, I had heard the term "white privilege" in my university classes, but had never understood what it actually meant until I started stripping. There is a crazy hiring standard for white women versus black women but there isn't such crazy discrimination among the clientele. I'm also a white female, so I really don't understand what WOC experience. I've just noticed the ridiculous hiring standards and "quotas" of WOC that clubs have. It's ridiculous. I was auditioning with this beautiful black girl once, and she was given a shitty shift, while I was given the prime shit. I'm an average, at best, looking dancer. This girl was soo beyond more beautiful than I was, but I had that "privilege" of being blond haired, blue eyed.[/QUOTE]
kaninchen
04-11-2015, 12:55 PM
I think it's a matter of overly simple phrasing to ask if white dancers are more desirable than black dancers. The answer is obviously no. However...
If you ask, "Can black dancers encounter racism that white dancers are generally unencumbered by, and can it negatively impact their earnings?" You only need to work in a club that has a quota for black girls or hear customers say some fucked-up racist shit to know the answer to that.
dmjctg
10-11-2015, 02:02 PM
Guys are so dumb. If they dont want to be freaked out they should ASK first before running their filthy hands through anybody's hair.
I wear my natural hair just because I like to do pole tricks and I'm scared the wig will come flying off but many of the coworkers wear wigs and weaves - including white dancers.
yeah but it's assumed to be their real hair usually if it looks real. I know because my coworker wore a full wig and despite having worn a fake ponytail last time I saw her at work people assume it was her real hair despite it being much thicker and longer in only a matter of a few days.
It's more assumed black girls wear fake hair when the hair is longer in any environment.
dmjctg
10-11-2015, 02:09 PM
@Scarlettkitten, I knew there would eventually be someone who would misinterpret what I said. The original posters question was "Are white dancers more desired than black ones." To which I basically said that I don't believe they are discriminated against conciously because of their skin tone alone, but other factors that may play a role. If you don't like my dog analogy then I'll use a different one....ok, so we all know black is a slimming color. Why is it a slimming color? Because it HIDES DETAILS and DOESN'T MAKE THINGS STAND OUT. If a dancer with a dark skin tone wears a dark or black colored outfit it makes it harder to see her in a dimly lit club. Again these are not all things that I particularly believe myself so don't shoot the messenger. What i said is based off of what I've learned from studying customers. And you're correct, there are ghetto white girls too and most classy men reject them as well as the ghetto black girls they are trying to emulate. Men are stupid. I'm trying to give some insight into how alot of THEM think. I knew these three black girls at my old club, they were all top earners and good friends. One was very light, one was more medium tone, and one was very dark. Two of them had their hair natural and the other one had a weave but it was a natural color for her and was done well. They all wore classy bright colored lingerie, they all smiled alot and came across as very friendly. Like I said these girls always made alot of money from all types of people. The debate isn't if guys should touch your hair or not.
It's a fact that different races are generlized in different ways. Is it fair? no. I'm simply giving some insight into how customers generalize girls and how to not be put in to that box if you don't want to be. Forget anything about race for a second. Everything I said could still be good advice to any dancer. "wear somthing that makes you stand out." "Smile and be approachable" "keep your hair looking clean and taken care of" "build trust with the customer" "complement the customer" " dance to music that is more neutral and won't turn off old guys who generally have the money"
" Be classy and speak properly."
The original poster wanted to talk about black vs white dancers and even admitted that she thinks that whites are more desired.
That's why I directed my response towards what black girls could do differently that may help, and to shine some light on the subject of how customers commonly perceive things.
I was trying to let her know that it probably wasn't so much about skin color alone but possibly other factors SOMETIMES ASSOCIATED with black dancers that she might consider revamping in order to appeal to a larger audience.
I've never seen anyone with black skin that's an ignorant statement.
DorienG
10-12-2015, 07:45 AM
If I was adopting a dog or cat, I'd be going for the black one. I used to have a black kitten named Sabbath.
^
My black cat is Pantera.
It seems that in most clubs in LA, Hispanic and Asian dancers seem to be the money makers. There are a few areas in my city where white dancers seem to make more: the beach cities, the west side and Hollywood. The other areas: Curvy Latinas and Asians of all sizes do better.
With black dancers: it really depends on the dancer. I've met some who banked and some that had a harder time. Some were thick and some thin. So many factors....
Jay12
10-12-2015, 10:36 AM
GIRL, your last paragraph really fucked up my mind. Like what..?
I know this is kinda old, but nothing bothers me more than people who say stuff "but I'm X ethnicity, you can't expect me to do this right". Also, I don't like the term "woman of color" when I'm whiter than over half of the whites I've met (I'm a Puerto Rican). Why aren't they people of color as well? They certainly have more color than me.
miss.a.p1600
10-13-2015, 07:00 AM
What? Why aren't tanned white women considered women of color??? Cause they're born white!
However that Rachael dolezal challenged us all to look at racial identity as a factor so if they believe and live like they are another race then technically they could consider themselves women of color. This lady was lily white and considered herself a "woman of color". And women of color sounds much better than just 'colored' which is outdated. But Actually anything with the word color when referring to people does sound kinda weird. If we have to be labeled I prefer the scientific terms.
I do think white dancers are more desired in clubs especially where patrons are predominantly white. Or at least that's what the owners want us to believe.
Let's all be real...how many clubs have a 'quota' restricting black or non white dancers??? I bet youll never see a white dancer quota.
Flickdreams
10-13-2015, 07:59 AM
^ Wont see a stupid dancer quota either :D
Jay12
10-13-2015, 09:09 AM
What? Why aren't tanned white women considered women of color??? Cause they're born white!
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Met tons who are not artificially tan (including sun tanning). Why aren't they "women of color"?! French, Italian, Irish and Welsh are the ones who are like 80% of the time much darker than me. My son's two therapists are naturally much darker than me.
miss.a.p1600
10-13-2015, 10:38 AM
I think those groups would still not be considered women of color cause their ancestors originate from Europe and they'd be considered white/Caucasian even though they naturally tan easy. I could be wrong but if I met someone that was not Asian, Indian, Hispanic, or Black I would not consider them to be women of color
To me the 'women of color' term doesn't necessarily mean skin color. The term applies to the race/where their ancestors originated
But hey if they believe they are women of color then more power to them.
Jay12
10-13-2015, 11:58 AM
I think those groups would still not be considered women of color cause their ancestors originate from Europe and they'd be considered white/Caucasian even though they naturally tan easy. I could be wrong but if I met someone that was not Asian, Indian, Hispanic, or Black I would not consider them to be women of color
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The Spanish language came from...EUROPE! It didn't evolve in the Americas. Not all Hispanics are "women of color".
JessaJade
10-13-2015, 03:02 PM
What? Why aren't tanned white women considered women of color??? Cause they're born white!
LOL...
FireGnome
10-14-2015, 08:09 AM
In todays day and age no. Girls of color and spanish girls (at least in nyc) i see make more because the fad is thin waist, big butt and twerk skills.
miss.a.p1600
10-15-2015, 02:23 PM
The Spanish language came from...EUROPE! It didn't evolve in the Americas. Not all Hispanics are "women of color".
If you can't enter a kkk meeting, then you're a woman of color. :D
Maybe fair skinned Latinas / Hispanics identify and could pass as white however if you're mixed with Hispanic/ Latin ancestry then you could also identify and be considered as woman of color.
So yes the white Hispanics you refer to could identify with both.
But assuming white privileges exist, a white Hispanic would probably chose not to identify as woman of color especially if they are fair skinned.
Thus further proving my theory that white dancers are more desired.
dmjctg
10-15-2015, 04:51 PM
If you can't enter a kkk meeting, then you're a woman of color. :D
Maybe fair skinned Latinas / Hispanics identify and could pass as white however if you're mixed with Hispanic/ Latin ancestry then you could also identify and be considered as woman of color.
So yes the white Hispanics you refer to could identify with both.
But assuming white privileges exist, a white Hispanic would probably chose not to identify as woman of color especially if they are fair skinned.
Thus further proving my theory that white dancers are more desired.
Race has nothing to do with looks. A good population of black Americans look Caucasian. That doesn't make them anything but black. A Hispanic can look white that doesn't make them white either.
I identify as black. I don't see myself as anything else just because people who don't know me may think I'm white. It's not about looks. It's about heritage.
miss.a.p1600
10-15-2015, 05:04 PM
Thats exactly what I said earlier!
We were talking about White Hispanics and would they be considered women of color.
Technically you could identify with whatever race you wanted to identify with. Majority of the time we self-identify/self-report our own race. Plus, its not like anyone is going to analyze a persons genes/dna to determine race. And race does have to do with looks to a certain extent. Certain races have consistently been known to have certain features. But of course there are always exceptions.
I was also referring to people who identify with one culture or race even though thats not in their DNA/ancestry. Like for example adopted women who were adopted by a family with different race but identify with the culture and race of their adopted parents.
simone87
10-15-2015, 05:28 PM
there's also what people refer to as "white passing", the people who reap a lot of the same benefits and privileges in this culture as caucasians. with strip club owners , it is of course "all about looks". if for all intents and purposes you look white, black girl quotas are probably not something you need to worry about.
dmjctg
10-15-2015, 06:07 PM
Thats exactly what I said earlier!
We were talking about White Hispanics and would they be considered women of color.
I was also referring to people who identify with one culture or race even though thats not in their DNA. Like for example adopted women who were adopted by a family with different race but identify with the culture and race of their adopted parents.
I don't really get that though. If you're adopted you're still biologically what you are. Not acknowledging that kind of is just something I couldn't personally agree with.
dmjctg
10-15-2015, 06:13 PM
there's also what people refer to as "white passing", the people who reap a lot of the same benefits and privileges in this culture as caucasians. with strip club owners , it is of course "all about looks". if for all intents and purposes you look white, black girl quotas are probably not something you need to worry about.
Oh that makes sense. What happens if someone gets hired and they appeared white to them and then summer came and they looked otherwise. Does someone get fired? Lol.
Because that's what happened to me at novum. They wanted Caucasian patients and then summer came and I didn't qualify until autumn now. But that was for medical purposes so it kind of works differently. I wouldn't think the same would exist for this? Right?
simone87
10-16-2015, 07:26 AM
Oh that makes sense. What happens if someone gets hired and they appeared white to them and then summer came and they looked otherwise. Does someone get fired? Lol.
Because that's what happened to me at novum. They wanted Caucasian patients and then summer came and I didn't qualify until autumn now. But that was for medical purposes so it kind of works differently. I wouldn't think the same would exist for this? Right?
you've lost me lol
dmjctg
10-16-2015, 12:44 PM
you've lost me lol
Well some people are naturally lighter without the sun and tan in the summer heavily. That's what I was refering to. I'm like a skin type 4 so in the winter I look fair to light due to the skin type being melanocompetent. At novum they do skin cream studies for people with skin types 1-3 people with lighter skin. I've participated in them in the autumn and winter months but not in the summer because of tanning. Types 3 and 4 are identical when sun exposure is minimum. Anyhow I was related my experience to this in that if there were a quota and I got hired when summer came would they then have to fire someone as you said it's about looks. If someone changes their look to look more ethnic. I kind of doubt that they would remove one of the dancers due to them being over quota of how many dancers of colors there were.
Jay12
10-17-2015, 04:59 PM
A Hispanic can look white that doesn't make them white either.
Girl, you need to read the "CIA World Book of Facts 2016". If a Hispanic looks white is because...she/he is white! There is this country called Spain, for example, that has nothing but white Hispanics. Argentina has more whites per capita than the USA. There is a member in these forums (BarbieNYC) who's a blonde Colombian. Being white and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive, I wish some people would understand that, especially since "Hispanic" as an ethnicity was invented in the 70's. Before that, they identified as whatever race they were. The late Desiderio Arnaz (Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy") was a white Cuban, so in the pre Hispanic era he was just another white person.
miss.a.p1600
10-17-2015, 06:32 PM
Race and ethnicity and culture and what not can be complex and evolving.
Hopefully this thread can be a learning experience. I know it is for me.
I just know at the end of the day we are all humans and should be allowed freedom to work any club and attract any race or ethnicity of customers we choose. Skin tone shouldn't be barriers in 2015 America.
dmjctg
10-20-2015, 10:39 AM
Girl, you need to read the "CIA World Book of Facts 2016". If a Hispanic looks white is because...she/he is white! There is this country called Spain, for example, that has nothing but white Hispanics. Argentina has more whites per capita than the USA. There is a member in these forums (BarbieNYC) who's a blonde Colombian. Being white and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive, I wish some people would understand that, especially since "Hispanic" as an ethnicity was invented in the 70's. Before that, they identified as whatever race they were. The late Desiderio Arnaz (Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy") was a white Cuban, so in the pre Hispanic era he was just another white person.
lol that's really funny. Ricardo looks black to me. He'd easily fit in my dad's family that's black. His wife was white not him. There's an obvious difference. If you look up genetic studies in this area. Most of the populations have admixtures especially Cubans. In fact most Cubans are mulatto. Or have some African ancestry.
And Spanish people are not Hispanic. Only those from their colonies are.
And being blond does not mean anything at all. My great grandma was blonde with blue eyes before it turned gray. And guess what she's all black too.
You can have white ancestry. That in this country doesn't make you white. If Ricky was white. I guess we still have yet to get a black president. Because Obama is white too. lol
simone87
10-20-2015, 10:58 AM
^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.
i thought this thread was talking about african american women tho lol, so that's what i was talking about in my first post..the whole skin tone debate has been going on for a long time with the "one drop" rule, or "paper bag test" so it gets complicated and ridiculous. basically though, in this industry and culture in general, anglo features seem to be more widely accepted as "beautiful", and the closer you are to them the easier it gets i think was the general gist of this thread
Aurora_Sunset
10-20-2015, 11:06 AM
While this is an interesting discussion in its own right, it's gotten way off-topic from the point of the thread. Get it on track please or I'm going to start deleting off-topic tangents.
dmjctg
10-20-2015, 11:49 AM
^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.
i thought this thread was talking about african american women tho lol, so that's what i was talking about in my first post..the whole skin tone debate has been going on for a long time with the "one drop" rule, or "paper bag test" so it gets complicated and ridiculous. basically though, in this industry and culture in general, anglo features seem to be more widely accepted as "beautiful", and the closer you are to them the easier it gets i think was the general gist of this thread
no as a noun
a Spanish-speaking person living in the US, especially one of Latin American descent.
it's in the Americas. And no Brazilians technically are not.
I actually thought it had to do with all races.
Not just African American women.
I didn't like the op though tbh. Because I think maybe that is true for Caucasians but what about other people's view of beauty? I don't think it's the same for people of all other races. I really do not.
DonaDiabla
10-25-2015, 07:02 PM
dmjctg
Actually, I just want to asked some questions about this thread. First, Desi Arnaz was pure Spaniard and not a mulatto. Lucille Ball would have gotten into trouble for marrying a mulatto. In fact, Desi Arnaz was tested by many Hollywood big wigs to make sure he was not of African descent. There are tons of white Latin Americans including Ricky Martin, Carlos Ponce, Pitbull, and Belinda who are pure white. In fact, Carlos Ponce comes from PR :) While many Cubans are mulatto or even mestizo...there are more Criollos (Native born whites) in Cuba than people may think. Jay 12 was talking about how people forget the native porn whites called criollos in Latin America. Thus, Jay 12 is correct because Latin America is race, class, and ethnicity is broken down differently then in North America. Criollos rule Latin America while mestizos, mulattos, Native Americans, romany and pure blood blacks are at the bottom. In America, your grandmother is still black but in Latin America she would be a mulatto and quatoon if she was blond and blue eyed. Portuguese and Spaniards are white Latinos because they share the Iberian Peninsula and because they brought the culture to the Americas. Plus President Obama is a mulatto :)
Simone87
Brazilians are called latinos because the Portuguese shares the Iberian Peninsula with Spain. Plus there are tons of Spaniards in Brazil :)
lol that's really funny. Ricardo looks black to me. He'd easily fit in my dad's family that's black. His wife was white not him. There's an obvious difference. If you look up genetic studies in this area. Most of the populations have admixtures especially Cubans. In fact most Cubans are mulatto. Or have some African ancestry.
And Spanish people are not Hispanic. Only those from their colonies are.
And being blond does not mean anything at all. My great grandma was blonde with blue eyes before it turned gray. And guess what she's all black too.
You can have white ancestry. That in this country doesn't make you white. If Ricky was white. I guess we still have yet to get a black president. Because Obama is white too. lol
QUOTE=simone87;2811736]^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.