View Full Version : Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black one
Obsession91
10-25-2015, 07:54 PM
To the OP question.Yes, I think they are{ really in every facet of the adult industry in general}You can go to any store and look through the magazines section almost all of them will have predominately white women on the cover.I agree that they are considered the universal standard of beauty. Some men like to stick to what they know but others.........
I do bodyrubs & I'll get plenty men that call to book, give compliments/say I love your photos presentation but THEY thought that I was white(a white woman with a tan).I didn't know white women could tan so dark they turn into black women:O. I'm about the same complexion as my sig but sometimes when I take photos in the sun or with light I'm a light brown complexion so only a little lighter.When they meet me it's always like oh you're so beautiful for a black woman blah blah blah blah blah.
There have been other black bodyrub providers who get guys asking if they're white/saying the same to them about how they thought they were white.Me and a few others have had to specify either in our ad or on our sites that we are black women to avoid any confusion.Most black providers even (some agencies as well) advertise as mixed specifically because it's considered more marketable/desirable sad but reality.Yes other factors COULD come into play but the bottom line is YES in general white dancers/adult entertainers are generally for whatever reason more desired than black.
Regardless I still make hella good money.
Optimist
10-27-2015, 09:08 AM
Regardless I still make hella good money.
Go bish! Oh and Trina is killing it in your sig.
Selina M
10-27-2015, 09:56 AM
To the original question, I think that depends if you're asking customers or managers. Customers obviously all have their types and some will like black girls and some will like white girls and some don't care what color your skin is if you have long legs, etc.
Managers can be racist asshats but theoretically they should be hiring girls who can somehow bring the club in money. If they have to pick between 2 girls, but one sits on her ass in the DR all night and the other is out there selling dances or getting the club their cut of VIP sales/drinks/whatever, they should pick that one. Regardless of her color and manager's preference, she is obviously something the customers like and buy from = good for business.
Honestly what I see more than anything is OWNER racism, especially from those that are not in their clubs frequently. They issue an order down along the lines of "Hey you have too many XXX type of girl" and the managers have to stop hiring that type or risk their own job.
I saw this yesterday; my club is predominantly white and has a "no rap music" policy. We have several very nice, well-groomed black girls now, which is a lot more than 6 months ago... I guess the owner must have noticed that. 5 minutes after the manager tells me he was told to trim his roster, a gorgeous black girl came in to audition. She was dressed really classily and very well spoken and polite; but he turned her away. An hour later, he hired 3 of the most obnoxious, orange-tanned, platinum blonde, neon-wearing white girls. It was suddenly apparent that his order had been "trim the roster of BLACK girls".
whirlerz
10-27-2015, 10:07 AM
The other board I'm on has, according to their post, some very successful non white woman on there, which's great. So, really it depends on the guy's preference, as stated, clubs are not always on point correctly of who they hire.
Example, slightly different, I'm older, & was turned away @ a couple places here..yet I got stopped outside by both customers & a bouncer that seemed into me. On camming, which's independant (even if it's a co.u work for) there's every type, with varieties in age, race, body type, etc. So there's a market for everyone. By independent, I mean you're hired usually no matter what, so you don't have to go thru the hiring mgr bs, but you do have to promote yourself, & work a lot (esp. in the beginning) to get regs.
dmjctg
10-27-2015, 12:36 PM
dmjctg
Actually, I just want to asked some questions about this thread. First, Desi Arnaz was pure Spaniard and not a mulatto. Lucille Ball would have gotten into trouble for marrying a mulatto. In fact, Desi Arnaz was tested by many Hollywood big wigs to make sure he was not of African descent. There are tons of white Latin Americans including Ricky Martin, Carlos Ponce, Pitbull, and Belinda who are pure white. In fact, Carlos Ponce comes from PR :) While many Cubans are mulatto or even mestizo...there are more Criollos (Native born whites) in Cuba than people may think. Jay 12 was talking about how people forget the native porn whites called criollos in Latin America. Thus, Jay 12 is correct because Latin America is race, class, and ethnicity is broken down differently then in North America. Criollos rule Latin America while mestizos, mulattos, Native Americans, romany and pure blood blacks are at the bottom. In America, your grandmother is still black but in Latin America she would be a mulatto and quatoon if she was blond and blue eyed. Portuguese and Spaniards are white Latinos because they share the Iberian Peninsula and because they brought the culture to the Americas. Plus President Obama is a mulatto :)
Simone87
Brazilians are called latinos because the Portuguese shares the Iberian Peninsula with Spain. Plus there are tons of Spaniards in Brazil :)
QUOTE=simone87;2811736]^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.
white people really can't tell when someone is black imo. Ricardo had African ancestry in him. There's no big deal that that is the case he's dead. But he is a mullato just like Barrack Obama.
And also here's cuba's demographic most are mixed.
This is align with what I was saying. They are mixed. Not white. Having white ancestry doesn't make you white. It makes you mixed as what desi arnaz was and many Cubans for that matter.
And that's ignorance just because some looks a certain doesn't make them it. If that were the case delonte west would be quadroon while having visibly black parents. You can't go by looks all the time. It's heritage and genetics. Black America families tend to have siblings where one can look white or mixed and the other looks fully black. With the same black parents. That's just how genetics are.
Also if Brazilians are latino then so are creoles lol. So are Canadians. So are Haitians and the list goes on and on.
Either way I know Hispanics aren't a race. But the people you are mentioning aren't white. They're way darker than white people. Which happens a lot when it comes to this because you sdisregard the fact that someone is an eighth or so another race when that's a good percentage of someone's racial make up.
JessaJade
10-27-2015, 03:48 PM
This thread was making me LOL for a while there but it's actually just getting depressing now...
DonaDiabla
10-27-2015, 10:27 PM
You seem be trolling this thread because you want everyone to agree with your one drop racial theory. I do not believe in the one drop rule .I was in agreement with Jay 12 about whites in Latin America. My family is from Latin-America and the Caribbean . Hell, I have seen and talk to many white Latin Americans. I know about Latin America's casta system and what race means in the Caribbean. My ancestors were apart of that system. My ancestors were subjected to Limpieza de sangre in Latin America...that is why I have so many mestizo and gitano male ancestors. So, you need to stop trying to nagging about racial theories because it is not true about Latin America. You need to go take Latin-American studies, Caribbean studies, North American studies, history of the Iberian peninsula and biology courses because you are truly misguided about race in the Americas. Actually, you seem to bring this super weird vibe to this discuss.This thread was about one stripper worrying about if her race could hurt her cash flow. Yet, you are making these wild racial theories about blacks and everyone else in the Americas. Everyone is not a black person in the Americas nor has black blood. Not every black person in the Americas are of mixed origins. Cuba is a mulatto nation but not everyone is mulatto there. Not every white person in the Americas come the same place. Plus, why did you even bring Creoles into this discussion? Creole culture is mixture of French, African, Spanish, Italian, Native American, Irish, German, and even Romany cultures. Thus they are not usual counted as Latinos.They are a separate racial group and no one was talking about them. I was not trying to derailed this discussion about one dancer's real life fears because it could happen. However, I had to speak up about your theories which are not based in fact nor reason.
There are whites in Latin America: Peninsulares and Criollos :) But I guess everyone must be pure Anglo-saxon or Germanic to be consider white to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Latin_American
Belinda: Spanish-French woman born outside of Mexico, thus she is a well-known Peninsular
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belinda_Peregr%C3%ADn
Carlos Ponce: White Cuban born in PR, thus he is a well-known Criollo. Everyone knows he is white ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ponce
I am ending this argument right here and bid you a great night. :) You made your points and I made mine.
white people really can't tell when someone is black imo. Ricardo had African ancestry in him. There's no big deal that that is the case he's dead. But he is a mullato just like Barrack Obama.
And also here's cuba's demographic most are mixed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2492877/
This is align with what I was saying. They are mixed. Not white. Having white ancestry doesn't make you white. It makes you mixed as what desi arnaz was and many Cubans for that matter.
And that's ignorance just because some looks a certain doesn't make them it. If that were the case delonte west would be quadroon while having visibly black parents. You can't go by looks all the time. It's heritage and genetics. Black America families tend to have siblings where one can look white or mixed and the other looks fully black. With the same black parents. That's just how genetics are.
Also if Brazilians are latino then so are creoles lol. So are Canadians. So are Haitians and the list goes on and on.
Either way I know Hispanics aren't a race. But the people you are mentioning aren't white. They're way darker than white people. Which happens a lot when it comes to this because you sdisregard the fact that someone is an eighth or so another race when that's a good percentage of someone's racial make up.
DonaDiabla
10-27-2015, 10:40 PM
Ivy Love,
Your fears are real but you can still make great money as woman of color. Sure, white blond women are wanted in great numbers but the sex industry has something for everyone. Women of color are wanted in the adult entertainment business and we can make tons of money. As sex worker, you could face racism, sexism and other isms from everyone from strip club management to phone sex companies to even adult webmasters. Hell, if you are voice or cam escort in Second Life...you can face the same things plus some anti-sex worker propaganda from neckbeards.You can have some racist co-workers and customers who want to tear you down. However, you can build a great brand and make a great living. But that is apart of this business, you will also have tons of people who adore you just for you as well. So do not let other people's bigoted ways stop your cash flow as a dancer or sex worker in general :)
...than black ones? Meaning, do white women have greater chance at making more money than blacks ones because they are more desired by their clients based off the fact they are WHITE, and WHITE ALONE?
I asked this because this article suggest so.http://www.thescavenger.net/feminism-a-pop-culture-sp-9560/feminism-a-pop-culture/537-black-exotic-dancers-undervalued-and-underpaid-69223.html
And because, deep down I know it's true with the way society is built around white women, and their beauty.Especially blondes. For some odd reason,people are so damn smitten by blondes.She could look like a hot damn mess,be rude as hell,and shaped funny,but as long as she is blonde she's deemed as this perfect specimen.
P.S. Know, that I am NOT trying to be rude. Y'all ladies have been really sweet towards me.
Jay12
10-28-2015, 12:51 AM
Like Dona Diabla, I do not go by "the one drop rule". If that was the case, I'd be a Native American (one of my great great grandmothers was Navajo). The only thing in my face that screams "Native American" are my high cheekbones and black hair. I look more like a mix of Mediterranean and Balkan, so I always identify as white Hispanic.
dmjctg
10-28-2015, 11:02 AM
You seem be trolling this thread because you want everyone to agree with your one drop racial theory. I do not believe in the one drop rule .I was in agreement with Jay 12 about whites in Latin America. My family is from Latin-America and the Caribbean . Hell, I have seen and talk to many white Latin Americans. I know about Latin America's casta system and what race means in the Caribbean. My ancestors were apart of that system. My ancestors were subjected to Limpieza de sangre in Latin America...that is why I have so many mestizo and gitano male ancestors. So, you need to stop trying to nagging about racial theories because it is not true about Latin America. You need to go take Latin-American studies, Caribbean studies, North American studies, history of the Iberian peninsula and biology courses because you are truly misguided about race in the Americas. Actually, you seem to bring this super weird vibe to this discuss.This thread was about one stripper worrying about if her race could hurt her cash flow. Yet, you are making these wild racial theories about blacks and everyone else in the Americas. Everyone is not a black person in the Americas nor has black blood. Not every black person in the Americas are of mixed origins. Cuba is a mulatto nation but not everyone is mulatto there. Not every white person in the Americas come the same place. Plus, why did you even bring Creoles into this discussion? Creole culture is mixture of French, African, Spanish, Italian, Native American, Irish, German, and even Romany cultures. Thus they are not usual counted as Latinos.They are a separate racial group and no one was talking about them. I was not trying to derailed this discussion about one dancer's real life fears because it could happen. However, I had to speak up about your theories which are not based in fact nor reason.
There are whites in Latin America: Peninsulares and Criollos :) But I guess everyone must be pure Anglo-saxon or Germanic to be consider white to you?
Belinda: Spanish-French woman born outside of Mexico, thus she is a well-known Peninsular
Carlos Ponce: White Cuban born in PR, thus he is a well-known Criollo. Everyone knows he is white ;)
I am ending this argument right here and bid you a great night. :) You made your points and I made mine.
No I'm creole actually and it's actually about being direct descendants of the French colonist in Louisiana. We're Latino as much as brazilians are and our culture is described as Latin as well.
And if that were the case most black Americans would be mixed. In America that's not the case of you're a quarter black then you're mixed.
A fact is genetics not looks and that was all my point. The fact that you're arguing about this like this is just insane. And I really would appreciate you not trying to distract the conversation by quoting me. Anything further should be through pm.
I don't know why facts bother you. I'm just presenting them as they are
Blovely
10-29-2015, 06:57 AM
Smh. You don't think its due to racism but your whole entire post was racist/described racism. Also since racism is taught its very much a subconscious and conscious decision.
Yes I do believe that customers over look black dancers but I don't think it's due to solely to racism but rather subconscious decisions.
for example at dog shelters there is something referred to as (BDS which stands for Black Dog Syndrome) what it means is that reguardless of the breed, black dogs generally take 4 times longer to be adopted than lighter colored dogs. On lighter dogs you can see their expressions better and they are more visible in their dark kennels. Another thing to consider is that movies/entertainment often use the color black to portray danger or untrustworthyness. For example the stigma about a black cat crossing your path....or the dark colored 3 headed dog in Harry Potter.
I think alot of guys are also confused about how wigs and weaves work and might avoid a woman who has these because the idea of a wig falling off or running their fingers through their hair and the weave getting caught around their fingers freaks them out.
I've also noticed that alot of black dancers I've worked with offten come across as (for lack of a better word) rachet/ghetto.
So if I were to give advice to black dancers to increase your odds of being noticed and connecting better with customers I would say...
1. Wear light/bright colors and consider light up heels.
(With neon or uv outfits the colors will pop really nicely against your skin and you won't blend in when walking through a dark club.) I believe people also perceive a person in light/ bright colors as more happy/approachable.
2. Get high pigmented blush/eyeshadow to bring out your features.
3.Consider just having your natural hair. It's better to have beautiful short hair then a tacky looking wig/weave.
4. try to smile/wink/wave/ laugh more. (It will show that you are nothing to be scared of)
5. Stay classy and speak properly.
6. Do not only dance to rap. If you dance to ghetto music high end customers might think that you like ghetto culture/ghetto men and they will think that they have nothing in common with you. ) Consider dancing to rock/house music/pop/reggae .....hell, put on some daisy dukes and dance to country. I bet guys would think that was awesome if a black chick did a cowgirl outfit and danced to country. Plus you would be the only one doing it so you would definitely stand out.
7. When speaking with a customer make up some thing that would show you are a trust worthy/warm hearted person. Maybe say something about how you
"volunteer at the animal shelter and you foster pets until they can find a good home. "
8. You could try casually mentioning how you just looove white guys/asain guys/Spanish guys (depending on what guy you are talking to.) this will put them at ease and they will feel more special.
Obsession91
10-29-2015, 01:17 PM
Ok..... somebody help me out because I thought calling someone mulatto was the equivalent to calling a black person nigg*r? So it's not an offensive term?
DonaDiabla
10-29-2015, 07:56 PM
Obsession91,
Actually, it really depends on the person, region, and country. I was using terms like mestizo and mulatto because it was used to described people within the Casta system of Latin America and some parts of the Caribbean. Some people do not mind and some people do mind this term. That word is kind of a grey area word. Usually, saying mixed race is better than saying mulatto or mestizo. :)
Ok..... somebody help me out because I thought calling someone mulatto was the equivalent to calling a black person nigg*r? So it's not an offensive term?
Jay12
10-30-2015, 01:26 AM
Ok..... somebody help me out because I thought calling someone mulatto was the equivalent to calling a black person nigg*r? So it's not an offensive term?
Mulatto is only offensive in the 50 states. I'm from PR, and down there (and everywhere else outside of the USA) is not offensive.
miss.a.p1600
10-30-2015, 02:25 AM
Calling someone mulatto is equivalent to calling them colored. In US 2015, those terms are outdated (like our grandparents used those terms) and slightly offensive but not as bad as n*gg*r.
Edit: although the term is outdated in my opinion a handful of people still use/prefer the term. If you're dead set on referring to yourself as mulatto then more power to you. But if you're referring to someone else as mulatto just ask first if they're offended by the word before calling them that.
dmjctg
11-03-2015, 02:42 PM
Calling someone mulatto is equivalent to calling them colored. In US 2015, those terms are outdated (like our grandparents used those terms) and slightly offensive but not as bad as n*gg*r.
Honestly I find African American as more offensive than the term colored colored is the best term used because it's actually a correct term considering it's refering to rope of color. African American is rude because it's a hyphenated American and white Americans get just called white as if that's normal and that they have more claim to this country when black people have usually family in America longer than the whites in america. The assertion is a bit insulting since Africa is also not just one big country. And the term black is just wrong because no one has black skin. Colored is most polite to me since it doesn't assert we're more foreign and colored is actually an accurate statement as to our complexion as well. That's my unpopular thought on it. Mullato is a funny feeling term to me I think it's just outdated. Biracial seems more accurate to me.
violetta
11-05-2015, 12:06 PM
At the places I've worked (predominantly white areas), black girls are actually VERY desired if they aren't "ghetto" and if they talk/act "white." This is just what I've observed from the customers where I've worked.
sexxypotkitten
11-05-2015, 01:44 PM
I am new here and its been a while since I danced but in my 16 years as a dancer I always noticed that yes blondes can create that space however if you are charming and create your own flow then there is no competition because every man is looking for something a little different. It also diffidently depends on the club and time of day and managers hiring practices and city.
I am mixed race btw
Exoticbeauti
04-11-2016, 04:28 PM
I know this is an old post but I've been there for 4 years so I've seen everything and I'm black but I'm educated, I talk proper, I'm skinny and have a nice breast and booty so I always work in the upscale clubs. I'm going to speak honestly i agree with this post says is true the way society is built the white girls do have a greater chance of making money it doesnt matter if you were a predominantly black she's the exotic one and most black men want a white women or predominately white club blonde hair and big boobs is the ideal girl even if she does look a hot mess and looks likes she does drug the white girls are still going to make the most money. For example I worked at this club where they had a mainstage that had two poles so there'd be one girl one on w pole & another girl on the other pool. there was exotic girl that looked like Beyoncé and then there was a trashy girl on the other pole the customers were tipping the trashy girl. I have just accepted the fact that the white girls are going to make more money especially with this White supremacy and I'm OK with that because I still make good money and I'd rather work in a predominately white club because white men spend more money into more generous black man don't tip well and are cheap.
SnuffleUffleGrass
04-18-2016, 03:51 PM
Just my 2 cents- women of color are insanely popular in my neck of the woods (Upper Midwest) because a LOT of strip club customers are trapped in unhappy marriages with typical conservative religious Midwestern women & those men want NOTHING in their favorite girl to remind them about the ball & chain back home.
(BTW I don't mind sharing this secret because I hate the culture of the Midwest & will do everything in my power to ruin the right wing social environment of this place.)
lokikola
04-20-2016, 08:31 PM
White girls have greater success in strip clubs IMO, but a lot of it (also in my experience) is due to management favoring them and therefore putting them where the money is even when it means bluntly and rudely removing a colored girl.
The best anyone can do, regardless of race is stop competing/comparing. Focus on yourself or you will miss what is for you.
We had a rabbit like you
04-21-2016, 07:57 AM
Kinda depressing how it's "you'll be desired as a black woman if you talk 'white' or 'educated' (cause there are no ghetto or uneducated white dialects I guess) have straight hair, light skin, etc." so basically you'll be more desired the closer to white you are. Think it says a lot about the fucked up culture we live in.
samanthamx
04-21-2016, 08:07 PM
As per my most recent experience; it is not race, nor education, it might be context; of course my experience has a fundamental flaw: it's Mexico where there almost no black girls; nevertheless, the top seller was a Haitian girl with an extemely broken Spanish skills (tall, great body, not particularly slim, very dark skin); I don't know, perhaps it was just some sort of exotism.
iAdoreJessicaC
05-18-2016, 01:52 AM
I currently work for one of the clubs in Vegas and see that the hot new ethnicity is Latina. She is what you want to look like, skin fair or tan, ass huge, tits ferfection. Some of them are running circles around the top white girls. Things are changing.
jjfaye
05-27-2016, 04:41 PM
When I worked in Portland and Seattle (which is predominately white) I wouldn't make more money than white girls on the premises of the number of private dances but I would make more money off regular customers. I was like a rare aphrodisiac. Because there wasn't many black girls or many black girls that were cute, fit and intelligent at that, men were willing to pay more for my services. But on any given night, a white girl would get more dances than me. Plus side to that is I would make just as much money as her but dance less with only one or two customers.