View Full Version : What would you have done? (Be Honest)
iamthefox
05-07-2015, 09:22 PM
Laughed so hard at that. :D
zoezoebelle
05-07-2015, 09:59 PM
There are worse things to do for $400 than get puked on I guess lol.
Odette
05-07-2015, 11:50 PM
I had a similar situation once.
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?196971-Accidentally-pissed-off-club-regular-can-should-I-fix-it&highlight=accidentally
This guy was not visibly inebriated though. I draw the line at customer requests. As in, if they are asking for something, (dances, VIP, shots, whatever) they get it, and they pay for it. It doesn't matter how drunk they are, I'm not their mommy and it's not my job to babysit them. I would have taken the guy to VIP but ONLY because it was HIS idea, just like I kept dancing for my customer for 10 songs when he asked because, that's doing my job. It's completely different to try and hustle someone out of their money when they are inebriated. That's intentionally malicious and sneaky. This guy wanted to spend all his money on you and you rejected him, for all you know it was totally his plan to go out and get super fucked up and blow $400 on tittes. Yes, it could have been his paycheck, but he also could have just won at the casino or something and was out celebrating. Either way, not your problem, next time someone clearly wants to spend on you, I'd take it. Bad days happen no matter how nice or ethical of a dancer you are, so you need to take the good ones when they come along as well.
SweetJulia
05-08-2015, 08:50 PM
Oh, if he was asking for extras, I would have had him kicked out of vip and had the club call a cab. Honestly, if he went from almost puking and extras to napping in vip, I would have kept him there as long as possible.
arielbriel
05-08-2015, 10:23 PM
I would of taken him to VIP and gave him water. Hopefully he falls asleep, too. I would of taken all $400 if he said it was ok. which he did . The fact that you basically turned him down and then did not let any of the other girls make the money you felt bad making, is being a cockblock plain and simple. I would of been pissed.
domina
05-09-2015, 12:30 AM
I wouldn't have stolen cash that I hadn't earned, but if he explicitly told me he wanted VIP, i would have done it. And then when we get there, I would give my regular kind of VIP dance/ talk/ etc, enforce my boundaries about not giving extras… If he didn't explicitly ask about what I do in the rooms, then I'd reveal my exact boundaries AFTER we get in VIP, not before.
$400 is not *that* much money. A grown man should be aware of how much cash is in their wallet before they even enter the strip club, before they start drinking. If they're not being careful of getting TOO wasted, flinging their cash around and dropping it all over the floor in front of strippers, asking HER to pick it up and count it, and also asking for VIP, I can conclude they don't care about the cash very much and they're OK with the possibility of it being gone in the morning.
Some people get drunk because their daily lives are boring and they love that risk, the idea of playing with danger and doing something "crazy," they love getting the chance to tell that kind of story to their friends, "I got so drunk that I… xyz… (featuring strippers), and then $$$" and if they got home safe and sound and nothing happened and they didn't blow any money whatever, they're actually disappointed because they feel like they hadn't really "lived" or gone hard enough, and next time they'll just try harder. So yeah… I try to make ethical decisions as best as I can, but I also work for the money and it isn't my job to help them save it.
I think that if you believe you did the right thing, though, then you did do the right thing, by your own standards... It's important to feel good about yourself and your decisions. Gives you the peace of mind to last longer in this industry.
Tourdefranzia
05-09-2015, 08:02 AM
I have done something similar. I took a man into VIP for a $200 dance about 10 years ago. He was incoherently drunk but wanted dances. His friend, who was sober enough to drive, helped the guy find his credit card and pay for the room. He sat down on the couch and feel asleep. He was even snoring! I snuggled in next to the man, putting his arm around me and just chilled until the 30 mins were up.
I guess I didn't technically steal from him because he paid me for my time, and I gave him his full 30 minutes. I did feel like I was taking advantage of a man too drunk to make a purchase decision, though. In the end, his friend had to carry him out of the VIP and out of the club. I'm sure that guy had to be wondering where the hell his $$ went when he got his next credit card statement.
To prevent that from happening with my S.O. he gave me control over his credit card on his last trip to Vegas. I changed the PIN so he couldn't just go bonkers taking out money from the ATM at the strip club. He did call me to ask me the PIN. I gave it to him, then immediately changed the PIN after he completed the transaction. Living in the internet age is pretty awesome. That kind of thing was not possible 10 years ago.
Melonie
05-10-2015, 03:46 AM
I guess I didn't technically steal from him because he paid me for my time, and I gave him his full 30 minutes. I did feel like I was taking advantage of a man too drunk to make a purchase decision, though. In the end, his friend had to carry him out of the VIP and out of the club. I'm sure that guy had to be wondering where the hell his $$ went when he got his next credit card statement.
Unfortunately, another change over the past few years is a greater likelihood that ... after wondering where the hell his $$ went ... today's drunk customer doesn't feel a bit guilty about initiating a 'charge-back' by protesting the credit card bill. Doing so creates an a$$ pain for the club which processed the drunk customer's credit card charge in the first place, and also puts the dancer at risk of having to be 'docked' by the club to repay the money the club already paid out to the dancer as a result of this customer's original transaction.
kirakonstantin
05-10-2015, 04:36 AM
^ Because the act of filing a chargeback immediately means that the customer gets all of their money back and the bank never bothers to check things like if the club has signed credit card receipts. /sarcasm
In reality, all the club needs to show is that they have the customers signature on the slip. Being drunk is not a valid reason to initiate a chargeback. A simple Google search confirms that. The only card issuer that is likely to put the chargeback through is AMEX, which is why adult businesses have declined to accept them for at least 15 years.
Melonie
05-10-2015, 06:37 AM
^^^ yup absolutely true in legal terms. There is also no doubt that, if a >$10,000 credit card charge is disputed, it's absolutely worth the effort for the club to vigorously 'fight' the chargeback claim. Also absolutely true regarding Amex, which strongly favors cardholder claims over merchant claims ( thus making it that much more difficult for a club to successfully 'fight' an Amex chargeback ).
But the 'real world' outcome of a club having to 'fight' a chargeback, at the very least, reflects badly on the dancer involved in that transaction. And where smaller chargeback amounts are involved, it also raises the issue of the club alienating that customer ( and his friends ) if the club chooses to 'fight' the chargeback, undoubtedly prompting a judgement call on the part of the clubowner as to whether or not the <$1000 retained by successfully fighting a chargeback is 'worth' the potential loss of ~$10,000+ in future club revenues if that customer ( and his friends ) decide to never return to that club. Besides this basic economic equation, there is also an increasing issue of banks now re-evaluating their 'high risk' credit card merchant accounts, where a clubowner 'fighting' chargeback claims could potentially contribute to the bank dropping the club's credit card merchant account in the future. The FDIC / DOJ have officially declared 'adult' business bank accounts to be 'high risk' account holders for banks ... thus any amount of increased bank / credit card company attention could be 'bad' for the club.
By the club allowing the chargeback for the relatively small amount to happen without a 'fight', and by the club subsequently 'docking' the dancer involved in that transaction to recoup the funds the club already paid out to the dancer involved in the ( now cancelled ) transaction, the club winds up with a financial win-win. And if the solitary dancer involved in the transaction becomes upset by being asked / forced to pay back the portion of customer money she had already received from the club as a result of the ( now cancelled ) transaction, and that dancer chooses to leave, the clubowner knows that a new dancer will happily fill the vacated dancer slot in the club roster.
michele11
05-10-2015, 08:35 AM
^ Because the act of filing a chargeback immediately means that the customer gets all of their money back and the bank never bothers to check things like if the club has signed credit card receipts. /sarcasm
In reality, all the club needs to show is that they have the customers signature on the slip. Being drunk is not a valid reason to initiate a chargeback. A simple Google search confirms that. The only card issuer that is likely to put the chargeback through is AMEX, which is why adult businesses have declined to accept them for at least 15 years.
I had a guy at my summer club who did noy have one drink do an hourwith me then got 600 certs to tip me. I got a pjone call the next day thst when I got to the club I had to fill out an incident report. This is in a club thst signiture has to be exact and those were2 different trasactions and thumb printed. The waitress has to fill it out too. And I asked if I was going to be ok. She said Idk I forgot what he was wearing. I was like wtf???Yeah I guess lots of guys are doing it now and getting away with it. Because it's not an actusl product they can deny there was any service.
Odette
05-10-2015, 12:32 PM
Credit cards sound like nasty business. I'm glad my club uses cash only for dances, and just has an ATM and a cashback at the bar system. Kind of hard to fight that when the transaction requires you to punch in your pin. Have you guys not all switched over to chip ATM/credit cards in the US? Seems to me there are a lot less opportunities for scummy chargeback schemes with those. I guess you could say someone stole your pin, but then all the club would have to do is show the bank the video footage of scummy customer using said ATM machine himself.
newb2
05-10-2015, 12:42 PM
I've never heard of people successfully getting their money back.
Everywhere I've worked at the card was verified by PIN and had cameras that showed them willingly entering their PIN.
My new club not only does PIN verification but takes a copy of their picture ID, and a screenshot of the camera in the room for their records.
kirakonstantin
05-10-2015, 12:45 PM
I do know that my old club has gotten chargeback attempts and rarely ever loses. Really, if a customer is going to show up, party and then dispute the charges, the club would really not care to have him as a customer. I suspect that most clubs who follow the procedures required by their merchant account wouldn't have an issue successfully defending themselves.
You know, Melonie, you deal in a lot of what if scenarios that rarely ever happen and all it does is serve to make people paranoid and worried over shit that rarely ever has the potential to be a problem.
rainbowseven
05-10-2015, 02:31 PM
I definitely would have done what you did but I would have asked him for an extra twenty or two as a tip. But if he said no I wouldn't sweat it.
Melonie
05-10-2015, 02:41 PM
You know, Melonie, you deal in a lot of what if scenarios that rarely ever happen and all it does is serve to make people paranoid and worried over shit that rarely ever has the potential to be a problem.
My intention isn't to cause any undue worry. But at the same time, girls deserve to be made aware that certain possibilities do exist ... even if the odds of those possibilities actually happening is relatively remote.
In this particular thread, the OP laid out a scenario whose possibility of actually happening was remote to start with. However, lots of other posters commented that they had also experienced somewhat similar situations. In a strip club setting where a given dancer is likely to have THOUSANDS of different customers over the course of a year, a scenario with 1000:1 probability IS going to happen once a year !!!
Also, the scenario the OP laid out had many of the classic characteristics to be ripe for a charge-back. Thus if the OP had decided to take the drunk off his a$$ customer to VIP, a fairly significant risk arguably existed that she ultimately would not 'get paid' for doing so thanks to a customer charge-back.
I got a pjone call the next day thst when I got to the club I had to fill out an incident report. This is in a club thst signiture has to be exact and those were2 different trasactions and thumb printed. The waitress has to fill it out too. And I asked if I was going to be ok. She said Idk I forgot what he was wearing. I was like wtf???Yeah I guess lots of guys are doing it now and getting away with it. Because it's not an actusl product they can deny there was any service.
I'm not sure that 'lots of guys' are attempting charge-backs today. However, more guys are attempting charge-backs today than was the case a few years ago. Sometimes the clubowner will aggressively dispute charge-back claims ... as was the case in your club where several club workers were required to submit incident reports to the bank / credit card company. Sometimes the clubowner will simply 'eat' the charge-back and not ask the affected dancer to repay moneys the club had already paid out to her. But sometimes the clubowner will try to get money back from the dancer involved in the ( now cancelled ) credit card transaction.
I'm glad my club uses cash only for dances, and just has an ATM
I agree that clubs deciding to offer ATM's for customer cash withdrawls, as opposed to clubs using their own credit card merchant accounts, lowers the risk of potential charge-backs to zero. But it also significantly limits the total amount of cash a given customer can spend during his strip club visit thanks to ATM daily withdrawl limits. Again, the odds of a given dancer losing income due to a club customer hitting the $800 ( or whatever ) daily ATM withdrawl limit are more remote for some dancers than for others !
charlotte.
05-10-2015, 02:50 PM
the clubs that do get charge backs eat the charge. its not passed on to us. thats supposedly the reason why funny money has such a high surcharge.
the charge backs are basically nonexistent tho. every club ive worked at has had the customer sign a receipt, a contract, initial, fingerprint, and hand over his id and card for copies to be made. ive lost many customers because they didnt sign exactly like the signature on their license. it would be an uphill battle for banks to prove anything they were too drunk or someone stole their card when the have their fingerprint and multiple signatures that look exactly like their license signature.
Melonie
05-10-2015, 02:57 PM
the clubs that do get charge backs eat the charge. its not passed on to us. thats supposedly the reason why funny money has such a high surcharge.
This isn't the case in every club. And, personally speaking, I much preferred receiving 95% ( or whatever the actual processing fee was ) of the customer's credit card charge money while accepting the risk that I would have to pay back the club if one of my customer credit card transactions went sour, versus only receiving 80% ( or whatever ) of the customer's credit card charge money because I was required to subsidize the cost of charge-backs stemming from other dancers' more 'disputable' credit card sales. Remembering back, when I was working in clubs that did require dancers to 'repay' the club for cancelled credit card transactions, I might have averaged one such incident every couple of months. But then again it was always my personal policy to never take customer money under 'questionable' circumstances, to never promise customers 'more' than I was actually willing to deliver, etc. which would have increased the probability I would be hit with a charge-back.
Obviously, in clubs which 'overcharge' all dancers on customer credit card payouts in order to cover the collective costs to the club of successful customer charge-backs, the dancers probably aren't aware of the charge-backs actually taking place. But just because the dancers aren't aware doesn't mean that successful charge-backs aren't happening, and doesn't mean that the dancers aren't 'paying for' those successful charge-backs by an indirect means like a 20% club imposed 'fee' on all customer credit card transactions. From a cynical viewpoint, clubs which 'overcharge' all dancers to cover collective costs of charge-backs arguably encourage 'questionable' dancer sales practices ... since the dancer gets to pocket and keep the proceeds of the 'questionable' sale, while all dancers in the club are forced to share in any charge-back induced costs.
However, the point about charge-backs was originally intended to be just one aspect of the central question asked by the OP. It now seems to be taking over this thread.
dirtydiamond
05-11-2015, 02:00 PM
being completely honest - I would take the money. not all of it, but perhaps the 3 crumpled $20's that fell out. to be really honest, I would literally just ask for extra cash coz honesly when they are that drunk they usually don't give a fuck
Dancer_maria
05-11-2015, 06:39 PM
Any stripper worth her stuff knows that we are a "Therapist" as part of our job. Very Drunk men in VIP is usually just 1 on 1 "lonely boy" therapy. I took a club manager ( from a nearby club) into VIP one night for over an hour and all he wanted was to talk to a female about his marriage.. LOL Cha Ching $$ . I am honest, but blunt.
michele11
05-11-2015, 07:42 PM
^ Lmao. Who would have thunk? Only like 20 other posters in this thread pointed that out.
Prettyglitter
05-12-2015, 08:32 AM
I would have taken him to VIP but I definitely wouldn't have stolen his money on the floor. One is going with his choice (VIP) the other is outright theft.
BarbieNYC
05-12-2015, 09:51 AM
Lol something happened to me at work my last shift that made me think about this thread.
There was a super drunk guy that kept coming over to me while I was with customers and asking them if he could tip me while they also tipped me. He was super drunk and pretty harmless so the other guys were like "yea sure" and so instead of only one guy tipping me I had two at a time. Yay double money!
It wasn't until I got home and dumped my money bag out that I realized there were $20's and a $100 bill mixed in with the singles. And I know it wasn't tipped to me intentionally because it was like a couple of bills stuck together.
So $1, $1, $20 $20, $20, $20, $100
I realized that the guy probably thought he was giving me a couple of singles at once when he had probably reached the bottom of his stack and given me the big bills at the bottom.
I was so happy as it was a nice surprise but it made me wonder if I had seen him doing it at the time would I have said something? I mean he was so damn happy and having so much fun I would've hated to kill his vibe LOL
Melonie
05-12-2015, 11:49 AM
^^^ there are no charge-backs for 'cash' payments !!!
crystalize
05-12-2015, 04:34 PM
Lol something happened to me at work my last shift that made me think about this thread.
There was a super drunk guy that kept coming over to me while I was with customers and asking them if he could tip me while they also tipped me. He was super drunk and pretty harmless so the other guys were like "yea sure" and so instead of only one guy tipping me I had two at a time. Yay double money!
It wasn't until I got home and dumped my money bag out that I realized there were $20's and a $100 bill mixed in with the singles. And I know it wasn't tipped to me intentionally because it was like a couple of bills stuck together.
So $1, $1, $20 $20, $20, $20, $100
I realized that the guy probably thought he was giving me a couple of singles at once when he had probably reached the bottom of his stack and given me the big bills at the bottom.
I was so happy as it was a nice surprise but it made me wonder if I had seen him doing it at the time would I have said something? I mean he was so damn happy and having so much fun I would've hated to kill his vibe LOL
That happens to me sometimes with 20s, has happened with a 50 before and you bet your ass I peek that and make sure to be slick about taking that bill really quick so he hopefully doesn't notice and doesn't have a chance to take it back.
Sorry, not sorry.
A girl told a customer one time that it was a 20 when I came around to collect my tip and I went off on her. I said "why would you do that???" I wouldn't rob somebody but they gave their money to me. It's not my job to make sure that it was the bill they intended to give me.
TiffTiff
05-13-2015, 01:15 AM
I mean... It's great that you have such a strong sense of altruism. But I don't understand why you were so protective of some jerk who groped you and licked you. I would certainly have done the VIP and asked for a huge tip.
After all, he was in the club to have fun, buy dances, and spend money. How does facilitating that make you an immoral greedy bitch?
I guess because I am a MOM. What if this was my grown son, or brother or whomever? Get a few dances, its easy to spend money when drunk. But if you can't even walk to the bathroom without hitting 2 walls on the way there, you are too drunk for a champagne room upstairs.
It is in my nature to be protective...to get people home safe, not let them blow $300 on a VIP he would have fell asleep or vomited in after 10 minutes. I would have been taking advantage of him, He was a blue collar guy, drove an old beat up truck. I didn't want to see him waste $300. He needed to sleep off that alcohol. He had to be up for work at 4am.
michele11
05-13-2015, 11:56 AM
^ He definitely wouldn't of been able to walk up the stairs. But He didn't vomit on you in what probably took a half hour doing the regular dances and you having to get his money , starighten it out and all that. Also. I'm a mom too really at your comment...
kaninchen
05-13-2015, 12:00 PM
^ Seriously. There are plenty of moms posting in this thread. Parenthood is not a prerequisite for empathy.
kirakonstantin
05-13-2015, 12:03 PM
If it were my grown son or one of my brothers, I'd ask him what the fuck he expected and maybe don't get wasted drunk mere hours before you have to go to work. My mom, who has seven grandchildren would say the same.
The world is not an inherently safe place and the better equipped people are to deal with it, the better off they are. Some people need to learn from their mistakes.
rareaspasia
05-13-2015, 01:23 PM
I would point out that he came in with hundreds in CASH. That would indicate to me that he got the money before he was wasted and fully aware and came in with the intent to spend it. So while I would not have stolen it I would have gotten every last dollar out of him legitimately and would have a lovely time spending it at Ikea. I'm used to dealing with guys who try to get dirty though. I work in Florida, if I didn't know how to handle them my bills would never get paid. But seriously, drunk or not, he came in expecting to spend that cash so I'd have no guilt taking it, especially if he was a dick who was trying to fuck in the VIP. Guys like that are generally assholes when they're sober so fuck them.
Obsession91
08-18-2015, 02:11 AM
To the OP I think you did the right thing, Karma is a B*tch what energy/or whatever you shell out will come back tenfold just in a different way/scenario.I get we're in adult entertainment and it is about the money but like you I find some sh*t just downright disgusting.Kudos to you there's not many like you.
You can still have morals in what society deems an immoral industry.
Daniellaa
08-18-2015, 06:47 AM
I wouldnt of taken the 20s, I would consider that stealing. I don't steal. But of course I would of taken him to VIP! If he wakes up the next morning thinking he shouldn't of spent that 300 dollars let that be a lesson learned for him to be more responsible next time and not get so hammered but its not my job to decide if hes going to have buyers remorse or not.
Vyanka
08-18-2015, 10:36 AM
Time wasted with someone who needs help untangling his singles and wants to lick you during a lap dance is a robbery to me. He robbed your precious time. You're a stripper, not a babysitter.
Not a customer I'd go for personally, but for someone else he could've been an easy sale. Selling VIPs is not a robbery. Also, extras didn't have to be mentioned.
wednesday86
08-18-2015, 03:33 PM
I guess because I am a MOM. What if this was my grown son, or brother or whomever? Get a few dances, its easy to spend money when drunk. But if you can't even walk to the bathroom without hitting 2 walls on the way there, you are too drunk for a champagne room upstairs.
It is in my nature to be protective...to get people home safe, not let them blow $300 on a VIP he would have fell asleep or vomited in after 10 minutes. I would have been taking advantage of him, He was a blue collar guy, drove an old beat up truck. I didn't want to see him waste $300. He needed to sleep off that alcohol. He had to be up for work at 4am.
I'm a MOM too. I would have taken that guy to VIP all day long and after I got his $$ told him if he licked me or touched me, I'm walking out and there's no refunds. I do it all the time. Half my VIP customers on Saturday nights are falling down drunk. Not my problem...They want to give me the money so I let them. I'm not *their* mommy, their wife or their financial guru. I also think I'm worth every dollar that they give me especially if I have to babysit them when they're drunk. He had all that money in his wallet so he obviously planned to spend it. If he's having fun it's not a waste.
Miss_Red
08-19-2015, 03:08 AM
They want to give me the money so I let them. I'm not *their* mommy, their wife or their financial guru.
This.
Guess what? For most people, purchasing a lap dance or a VIP room is a poor financial choice. The people who buy these dances would almost always be better off saving their money, paying off a credit card, investing in bonds, starting a college fund for their kids, etc etc etc. It's not my job to ensure that they're not making a poor financial decision. Customers have agency. They can decide to withdraw cash, then get drunk enough that they don't feel guilty for spending it, spend it, blame the alcohol in the morning, and then do it all again next week. They're making an adult decision and I'm here to supply the adult entertainment. I provide awesome entertainment and if someone wants to blow their cash on my services, you're damn right I'm here to collect. Always.
I did not miss this thread, and I hope it dies again.