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1st_samurai
06-04-2015, 08:12 AM
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1st_samurai
06-04-2015, 08:18 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/22/strip-clubs-canada-closing_n_6918770.html

In the age of easily accessible online porn, strip clubs just aren’t the draw they once were, and now an industry insider says the establishments are an endangered species in Canada.
Toronto had 63 strip clubs a decade ago, and is down to just 14, pointed out Tim Lambrinos, director of the Adult Entertainment Association of Canada (AEAC), in an interview with CBC.
“The market demand for adult entertainment clubs is a male around a certain age,” he said. “It seems that young Canadian males are more distracted with other types of interests — Game Boys, plugging in things and so on and it's almost as if the young women are the ones bringing them out to the clubs now.”
It’s not just shrinking demand that is leaving strip clubs an endangered species. As Canada’s cities redevelop their urban cores, the relatively low-rent spaces strip clubs occupy are disappearing one by one, replaced by condos and urban retail.

In some instances, public opposition to new clubs has stopped cities from issuing licenses.
Faced with the prospect of extinction, the industry is pushing for a change to the law that would allow nudie bars to become brothels.
The AEAC last year released a report arguing the decriminalization and regulation of “the market for sexual services” would reduce risk to sex workers and fill government coffers with tax revenue. It estimates sex work to be worth between $870 million and $1.7 billion annually in Canada.
“Adult entertainment clubs are in the best position, out of any other adult business, to ensure the health, safety and protection of consumers,” the AEAC report said.

One crimp in the plan may be exotic dancers themselves: They appear opposed to the change, with 60 per cent of respondents in a poll saying they would not want to become sex workers if strip clubs made the transition.

arielbriel
06-04-2015, 09:32 AM
This is way too close to home for me. I would be horrified if this happened in the states.

rickdugan
06-04-2015, 09:54 AM
Well, there were probably way too many clubs in Toronto to begin with.

IMHO Toronto is now doing what certain New England states have been doing for many years, which is reduction by attrition. The game is simple. They will tolerate the clubs that already exist, but will not issue new licenses. Naturally, over time, clubs will close for a variety of reasons. In Toronto, the process is accelerating because the rising value of prime real estate is making it more profitable to sell many club locations and/or convert them to other uses. like hotels and condos. Normally, clubs will relocate when this happens, but I'm guessing that a relocation triggers a new permit application, which of course won't be approved.

This weeding out process has been going on for years in New England. It is the reason that Vermont is down to one, New Hampshire is at 2 and Maine is at 4. It is also the reason that almost each of the 30 or so clubs in MA is ancient (except Centerfolds in Boston, which is a mere 10 years old, lol), despite the state having almost 7 million residents and being one of the wealthiest states in the country.

I wouldn't look at this as some broader trend. Strip clubs are still popular and I see guys of all ages in them. Indeed, a couple of my favorite strip clubs have been busier in the past several months than I have seen them in some time. Now this is not the glory days and we may still have too many strip clubs in some areas in light of economic realities, but the weeding out of weaker players is a natural process and is not indicative of a lack of interest in the product as a whole IMHO.

miss.a.p1600
06-04-2015, 09:57 AM
I could see this as a possibility. I mean just look at all the clubs that have already been shut down for lack of business or the regulations have changed causing more things to be more strict (ex 6 ft rules, pasties, fuller back bottoms) Therefore men don't spend as much if they can't get what they used to have.

Also why a lot of strippers at least where I club have second line of income / second job or work every [email protected] day to make up for the decrease in business.

It's only a matter of time before strip clubs either shut down or turn into burlesque clubs. If a guy wants to get his thrills he will have to either settle for a cam girl or travel (to Mexico, Canada, or Nevada) where brothels and prostitution are legal. Or pick up chicks on those hookup sites.

1st_samurai
06-04-2015, 02:24 PM
Well, there were probably way too many clubs in Toronto to begin with.

Strip clubs are still popular and I see guys of all ages in them. Indeed, a couple of my favorite strip clubs have been busier in the past several months than I have seen them in some time. Now this is not the glory days and we may still have too many strip clubs in some areas in light of economic realities, but the weeding out of weaker players is a natural process and is not indicative of a lack of interest in the product as a whole IMHO.

Of course, there will always be a basic amount of demand for strip clubs, as there is a basic demand for smoking despite its decreasing popularity, or soda drinks despite lower per capita consumption in the western economies. However, the total demand has decreased compared to the pre-Internet days because of porn on the internet and pay for companionship websites. Just imagine if a guy was on a porno site feasting his eyes on the hottest models pleasuring themselves or each other, and getting off on that. Now can you imagine this guy find going to a strip club that exciting when he watches a average or somewhat better than average looking woman dancing naked on a pole? I think the excitement level was much higher seeing a perfect 9 or 10 model on the internet moaning and pleasuring herself compared to a woman jiggling to rock music on the stage. Plus the fact that internet porn is so easily accessible and free. Compare that to having to drive 20 minutes to the strip club, pay a $10 cover, $10 for drinks, and get a lot of salesmanship regarding getting dances, most of which he doesn't want except for a one or two women he may found attractive if they are working on that shift, which would cost him an extra $60 to $100 or more, money perhaps he could ill afford on his meager wage job because most guys (80-90%) that go to strip clubs aren't driving a Maserati. Most guys that make a lot of money can usually get female companionship very easily and generally don't go to strip clubs (some exceptions like Howard Marshall).

I keep reading tuscl or Yelp on how many strip clubs are so empty, especially Mon to Wed. For every city where there are 5 strip clubs, it seems only 1 or at most 2 does well. The rest get by.

1st_samurai
06-04-2015, 02:53 PM
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rickdugan
06-04-2015, 03:34 PM
1st, Internet porn, cam girls, and online escorts have been widely available since the beginning of this century. From 2000 to 2008, all of those services offered online and the number of strip clubs nationwide grew. IMHO cam girls and escorts are not cannibalizing strip clubs. They are different offerings serving different needs, even if there are some cross-over consumers. In fact, they have suffered more or less in lock step with strip clubs during this extended economic malaise. Nobody is making what they used to, whether they are cam girls, escorts, porn actresses or strippers.

The simple reality is that there is less discretionary money all around. Many people dropped out of the workforce altogether during the recession and thus far show no signs of returning. When the economy gets a full head of steam again, like it had in the mid to late 90s or even during 2003-2008, IMHO the tide will come in for everybody. In the meantime, everyone gets a piece of a smaller pie and the weakest providers in each segment get pushed out, which is a normal part of boom and bust cycles.

1st_samurai
06-04-2015, 03:51 PM
rickdugan, I think you make some good points, but I still think there is a secular shift in lower demand for strip clubs. Demand will improve somewhat if the economy improves, but will it improve? There is a secular decline in jobs due to technology and automation. For example, driverless cars will be available in 10 years which will hit taxi drivers hard. If there are these smart, self-driving vehicles, I imagine there will be automated trash pickups soon thereafter. Goodbye trash collector jobs. Cashiers are already being displaced by self checkout at Home Depot, Walmart, and some McDonalds and KFCs.

simone87
06-04-2015, 04:06 PM
totally agree with rick, ( except that there is only 1 strip club in new hampshire now, and vermont doesn't even really have even one unless you count the tiny little thing inside a bowling alley that only the locals now about..kind of an undercover rogue strip club.) 63 strip clubs in one province ( or state if it was the us) is just ridiculous and was probably doing more harm than good for strippers there

miss.a.p1600
06-04-2015, 04:10 PM
1st, Internet porn, cam girls, and online escorts have been widely available since the beginning of this century. From 2000 to 2008, all of those services offered online and the number of strip clubs nationwide grew. IMHO cam girls and escorts are not cannibalizing strip clubs. They are different offerings serving different needs, even if there are some cross-over consumers. In fact, they have suffered more or less in lock step with strip clubs during this extended economic malaise. Nobody is making what they used to, whether they are cam girls, escorts, porn actresses or strippers.

The simple reality is that there is less discretionary money all around. Many people dropped out of the workforce altogether during the recession and thus far show no signs of returning. When the economy gets a full head of steam again, like it had in the mid to late 90s or even during 2003-2008, IMHO the tide will come in for everybody. In the meantime, everyone gets a piece of a smaller pie and the weakest providers in each segment get pushed out, which is a normal part of boom and bust cycles.

This makes sense but what about the clubs, and I know it's just not in the state where I'm in but other states too, where business has slowed due not just the economy but the tightened laws / regulations and the high demand for black market extras?

Will men be satisfied with just watching a dancer dance? A good percentage of them seem to want a brothel or escort type experience?!? Since that's illegal in majority areas they would have to do like travel dancer do travel to the money - they'd have to travel to the legal p*ssy. Or protest to change the laws to have legal prostitution in more areas.

rickdugan
06-04-2015, 07:07 PM
This makes sense but what about the clubs, and I know it's just not in the state where I'm in but other states too, where business has slowed due not just the economy but the tightened laws / regulations and the high demand for black market extras?

Well, I think that changes in the laws are a different kettle of fish. What happened in your area and places like Missouri are good examples of what happens when local governments try to make clubs less appealing by passing onerous restrictions. So far that type of activity has been contained and I hope it stays that way.

Vyanka
06-04-2015, 07:24 PM
Also, men can't take their buddies and business clients out to a brothel or get together to log into some cam site. Strip clubs aren't going any where.

EastCoastDancer01
06-04-2015, 10:16 PM
Unfortunately, there is a lot of truth to this. I dont understand it, I dont agree with it, but I'm starting to see it with my own eyes. Guys either want to pay for sex or they want to pay to watch girls masturbate on internet cam sites. Thats why escorting and camming are the most lucrative areas in the adult industry right now. I too hope that strip clubs stick around in the states. At least with strip clubs the guy can see us in person, have us dry hump his lap and see us in plain view right in front of him when we dance for him. He cant do that on the internet. I know some men who go to clubs with the intention of taking a girl out, because they want to see her and get to know her first. I think even though the stripping industry is going through a bit of a depression, some men will always prefer them because its a great way to meet and get to know hot girls. I hope Canadian strip clubs survive, good luck guys...

Kellydancer
06-05-2015, 11:35 AM
This has been happening for years all over. Most of the clubs I danced at are long gone. One club is part of a chain and another went from bikini no contact to nude full contact because of the area. There were streets with several clubs that are down to one, usually the nicest one. This happened for many reasons, but namely financial or because the towns didn't want them. It had nothing to do with camming at all.

Vyanka
06-06-2015, 10:55 AM
Men with money will always visit strip clubs. It's a luxury expense. Not worrying about fees and cocktail prices, small petty shit like that. It's the cheap brokes that prefers free websites. Fine by me. Let them stay home wacking off.

You can't compare the two. Plus, uhh... not all strippers look average or below. Ha. Go to a nice well known club then. Just like not every cam girl is a "smoking hottie".

I think closing some strip clubs is a good thing, if you ask me. There's way too many clubs hiring just whatever to make house fees/tip outs. Leave it at a good amount and hire better quality dancers. If anything, I think it'll help improve.

Real strippers need NOT to worry. ;)

whirlerz
06-06-2015, 11:13 AM
Also, men can't take their buddies and business clients out to a brothel or get together to log into some cam site. Strip clubs aren't going any where.


This has been happening for years all over. Most of the clubs I danced at are long gone. One club is part of a chain and another went from bikini no contact to nude full contact because of the area. There were streets with several clubs that are down to one, usually the nicest one. This happened for many reasons, but namely financial or because the towns didn't want them. It had nothing to do with camming at all.

^^^


Men with money will always visit strip clubs. It's a luxury expense. Not worrying about fees and cocktail prices, small petty shit like that. It's the cheap brokes that prefers free websites. Fine by me. Let them stay home wacking off.

You can't compare the two. Plus, uhh... not all strippers look average or below. Ha. Go to a nice well known club then. Just like not every cam girl is a "smoking hottie".

I think closing some strip clubs is a good thing, if you ask me. There's way too many clubs hiring just whatever to make house fees/tip outs. Leave it at a good amount and hire better quality dancers. If anything, I think it'll help improve.

Real strippers need NOT to worry. ;)

^^^:-*

Melonie
06-06-2015, 02:07 PM
Personally speaking, I think the Huff Post is correct on the facts, but wrong in their analysis.

10+ years ago, a large number of total dollars spent in Ontario strip clubs actually came from US guys crossing the border to find more 'bang for their buck' than was available on the US side. Today's tighter border security has now changed what used to be a 10 minute border crossing into a 90 minute border crossing ( in both directions ), dissuading US guys. Additionally, those US guys can also now find major 'bang for their buck' in many US strip clubs. Thus there is less motivation for US strip club customers to bother crossing the border ... thus fewer total strip club customers and fewer total strip club customer spending dollars.

Also, where Canada's new 'semi-legalized' prostitution laws are concerned, the new laws have indeed reduced the probability that Canadian dancers and prostitutes will be busted. However, the same new laws have now increased the penalties for guys paying Canadian dancers and prostitutes to provide sexual contact. With these new laws having yet to be tested in Canadian courts, undoubtedly some number of former Canadian club customers are 'playing it safe' and avoiding Canadian strip clubs. I suspect that the growing 'push' to allow Canadian strip clubs to become outright 'legal brothels' is actually being driven by the fact that doing so would remove the bust risk for customers which the new law has created.

1st_samurai
06-07-2015, 01:04 AM
Men with money will always visit strip clubs. It's a luxury expense. Not worrying about fees and cocktail prices, small petty shit like that. It's the cheap brokes that prefers free websites. Fine by me. Let them stay home wacking off.
You can't compare the two. Plus, uhh... not all strippers look average or below. Ha. Go to a nice well known club then. Just like not every cam girl is a "smoking hottie".
I think closing some strip clubs is a good thing, if you ask me. There's way too many clubs hiring just whatever to make house fees/tip outs. Leave it at a good amount and hire better quality dancers. If anything, I think it'll help improve.


Yes, the cheap charlies will be at-home wankers, and the top tier clubs will have a good number of pretty girls.



Personally speaking, I think the Huff Post is correct on the facts, but wrong in their analysis.
10+ years ago, a large number of total dollars spent in Ontario strip clubs actually came from US guys crossing the border to find more 'bang for their buck' than was available on the US side. Today's tighter border security has now changed what used to be a 10 minute border crossing into a 90 minute border crossing ( in both directions ), dissuading US guys. Additionally, those US guys can also now find major 'bang for their buck' in many US strip clubs. Thus there is less motivation for US strip club customers to bother crossing the border ... thus fewer total strip club customers and fewer total strip club customer spending dollars.

Melanie, since you brought up crossing the border, in Southern California there are a lot of guys that cross into Mexico. If you look at the 2 top rated clubs on tuscl.net, they are in Tijuana. I think many strip clubs in Southern California (San Diego, Orange County, Southern Los Angeles) has been impacted by a lot of guys traveling south of the border. Any guy that has ever crossed the border will almost never visit a US strip club ever again. I chatted with one strip club owner and one of the reasons he gave for closing his club was his customers going down south.

Melonie
06-07-2015, 04:07 AM
^^^ yup ... and this is especially the case where 'strict' San Diego is so close to 'almost anything goes' Tijuana. Also, the Tijuana border crossing delays are far shorter than crossing the Canadian border.

However, the same principle applies to strip clubs in many US cities which are separated by just a few miles, but which can / do operate under very different de-facto 'rules'. The classic example are cities with relatively strict anti-strip club ordinances limiting customer contact ... with city cops actively enforcing those ordinances. One club located just beyond the city limits, or clubs in a different city located just a few minutes drive away, are able to draw customers away from clubs in the strict city.

Arguably, the reverse situation is now happening to Canadian clubs. Those clubs USED to offer way higher customer contact levels than US border state clubs. However, as the availability of 'extras' has increased in US clubs, the difference in customer 'bang for the buck' factor has been reduced.

In addition to that, under the 'letter' of the new Canadian prostitution law, it is club customers paying for 'major extras' who are now at risk of being busted rather than the dancers providing the 'major extras'. IMHO this is a 'game changer', because many high earning customers do NOT want to flirt with a possible 'soliciting prostitution' charge !!! As the news article implies, Canadian clubowners realize this is a problem ... and with prostitution now legalized on the 'provider' side, are seeking to remove this bust risk factor on the customer side by having their establishments officially reclassified as legal 'bordellos'.

This makes perfect sense from the clubowner's standpoint as well as the customer's standpoint. Obviously, if this change were to happen it wouldn't go over so well with many Canadian dancers who would effectively be required to provide 'major extras' if they wish to continue earning money. But, without this change, odds are that many Canadian dancers would wind up not earning money anyhow due to club closings etc.



Toronto is now doing what certain New England states have been doing for many years, which is reduction by attrition. The game is simple. They will tolerate the clubs that already exist, but will not issue new licenses. Naturally, over time, clubs will close for a variety of reasons. In Toronto, the process is accelerating because the rising value of prime real estate is making it more profitable to sell many club locations and/or convert them to other uses. like hotels and condos. Normally, clubs will relocate when this happens, but I'm guessing that a relocation triggers a new permit application, which of course won't be approved.

This is true as well. It's typically part of the 'gentrification' process taking place in certain upscale areas of large cities. It typically leaves behind a few upscale 'show' clubs, while effectively chasing out less upscale neighborhood clubs. This is often viewed as a positive change ... but only by dancers who can 'measure up' to the hiring standards, and can tolerate the club management bulls#!T levels, of the upscale 'show' clubs which remain.

minnow
06-07-2015, 09:07 AM
Men with money will always visit strip clubs. It's a luxury expense. Not worrying about fees and cocktail prices, small petty shit like that. It's the cheap brokes that prefers free websites. Fine by me. Let them stay home wacking off.

You can't compare the two. Plus, uhh... not all strippers look average or below. Ha. Go to a nice well known club then. Just like not every cam girl is a "smoking hottie".

I think closing some strip clubs is a good thing, if you ask me. There's way too many clubs hiring just whatever to make house fees/tip outs. Leave it at a good amount and hire better quality dancers. If anything, I think it'll help improve.

Real strippers need NOT to worry. ;)

In addition to "V", I'll touch upon some points raised by OP and rick.

First of all, I'll agree that 63 clubs is definitely saturated. Many US city/metro areas of similar size to Toronto (or larger) have 1/3- 1/2 the number of clubs that they had. Since joining SW, I've been aware of some degree of attrition in US clubs, but nowhere near the magnitude of Torontos ~ 78% reduction from 63 to 14 clubs.

While I agree with rick that present customer base isn't going away anytime soon, there is one maxim in that if you don't attract enough young people to patronize your business, sooner or later your business will die off. Customers such as myself, rick, et al, remember a time when there was no internet, and/or an internet that was nowhere near as refined/develped/capable as it is today. Go look around in any club today- who do you see texting on their mobile device vs watching the stage show ? Yes, its mostly 20-somethings. People will naturally gravitate towards something that they're most accustomed to. Young men long accustomed to surfing the web in place of human interaction will likely continue to do so, even as their age (and income) advance.

While changes in laws can have a major impact, it would be a disservice to this thread to leave it at that. As to how much the age demographics of customer base has been changing, I'll defer to the dancers on that one, as they pay much more attention to that than I do. (I'm concentrating on the dancers, not other customers. ;D) While Vyanka and her upscale dancing peers won't have to worry anytime soon, if you have less new blood injected into clubs, statistics will eventually catch up to you.

whirlerz
06-07-2015, 09:33 AM
Well, I don't know much about Canada..in one Chicago suburban area, we have 5 'lingerie' bars (no stage, they give dances) 2 big clubs, Scores & Club Allure (the one in the news for being sued by nuns) all within about a 5 mile radius of each other.
Club Allure is super fancy & has a steak house inside.

Tourdefranzia
06-07-2015, 10:45 AM
totally agree with rick, ( except that there is only 1 strip club in new hampshire now, and vermont doesn't even really have even one unless you count the tiny little thing inside a bowling alley that only the locals now about..kind of an undercover rogue strip club.) 63 strip clubs in one province ( or state if it was the us) is just ridiculous and was probably doing more harm than good for strippers there

Portland, Oregon seems to being doing as well as it ever has running anywhere from 60-70 strip clubs in the major metro area. We are a very sex-positive city, and customers of strip clubs are very open about their entertainment choices. Of course, strippers in Portland aren't getting rich, with the average stripper earning less than $200/ shift. However, $200 per day is not terrible wages. Compare that to what a school teacher or social worker or administrative assistant earns, it about 2x as much per hour income. Portland strippers don't have to concern themselves with stigmatization like they do in other parts of the country. We can buy cars, rent apartments, have business bank accounts etc. It's just not that big of deal here.

Melonie
06-07-2015, 08:30 PM
As to how much the age demographics of customer base has been changing, I'll defer to the dancers on that one, as they pay much more attention to that than I do. (I'm concentrating on the dancers, not other customers. ) While Vyanka and her upscale dancing peers won't have to worry anytime soon, if you have less new blood injected into clubs, statistics will eventually catch up to you.

Generally speaking, the age versus income demographic for younger club customers isn't confidence inspiring. And, as was also pointed out, the rising costs of 'necessities' ... from rent to food to energy to insurance to taxes ... continues to reduce the amount of 'discretionary' money still available for spending on such 'luxuries' as lap dancers and VIP /CR. Granted that particular cities like Portland, San Francisco, etc. have a large tech industry presence which skews that demographic. New York has a large financial industry presence which also skews that demographic. And certain other cities have a large presence of different particular industries which skew that demographic. However, as recently exemplified by the oil industry's decline, cities / strip clubs / dancers which live by one major industry can also die by one major industry.

Toronto has a fairly large component of oil / natural resources. But it also has a large tech sector, a large financial sector, a large manufacturing sector, etc. Thus Toronto is reflective of a more 'averaged out' economy. And that 'average' economy is arguably slowly beginning to decline.

minnow
06-08-2015, 05:29 AM
Mel- Young 20-somethings as a group have always been a lower tier on the economic food chain. I know when I was in my 20's, my club spending levels were far below my current $$ levels. I was emphasizing societal changes, namely the internet as a factor in the reduction of the number of future potential club patrons. Namely if one has been surfing the internet ever since they learned to walk, and have had their own I-phone since elementary school, those habits will continue well into adulthood. When that noticeable reduction will occur and to what degree remains open to speculation.

Melonie
06-08-2015, 06:33 AM
I was emphasizing societal changes, namely the internet as a factor in the reduction of the number of future potential club patrons. Namely if one has been surfing the internet ever since they learned to walk, and have had their own I-phone since elementary school, those habits will continue well into adulthood. When that noticeable reduction will occur and to what degree remains open to speculation.

^^^ That's a 'different kettle of fish' ... but a very valid point nonetheless. If the Japanese 'herbivors' are a leading indicator of where the western countries are headed, it certainly doesn't bode well ... from


(snip)today, Japan's latest generation of men appears lacking the fierce ambition that drove their fathers, much less their grandfathers. The term commonly used for this new generation of Japanese is "herbivores," a play on the word for plant-eating animals generally known for their docility. And, instead of embracing what the new generation is doing in Japan, we should look at our young people and think: God forbid.

Growing up in a period of tepid economic growth, a declining labor market and a loss of overall competitiveness, Japan's "herbivores" are more interested in comics, computer games and socializing through the Internet than building a career or even seeking out the opposite sex. Among males ages 16-19, 36 percent in one survey expressed no interest in sex, and some even despised it.

(snip)One indication of this breakdown in family ties has been a gradual loss of interest in marriage, among men but at least as much so among women. By 2010, a third of Japanese women entering their 30s were single, as were roughly one in five of those entering their 40s. That's roughly eight times the percentage in 1960, and twice that in 2000. By 2030, according to sociologist Toyota, almost one in three Japanese males may be unmarried by age 50.

Such attitudes, one Osaka blogger observed, indicate that many young people, particularly women, sense "an unwillingness to throw away the freedoms of single life to comply with the strict societal demands accompanying co-habitation or marriage."

(snip)Could the same process occur here? Are young American males following the path to herbivore pastures? There are some disturbing parallel trends. The onset of the Great Recession has slowed fertility in the United States, the one large high-income country with fertility rates historically above replacement levels, down to the lowest levels in a quarter century. Despite a rise in population of 27 million Americans, there were actually fewer births in 2010 than there were 10 years earlier.

The herbivore effect can be seen in the postponing among younger Americans of both marriage and having children, according to a recent Pew Foundation study. As in Japan, a weak economy plays a role. The recession, and the weak recovery, has had a disproportionate impact on young people: Almost two in five unemployed workers are ages 20-34.

(snip) Some see this age of unambition as a positive. There is a devout "progressive" picture of millennials who don't buy houses, cars or don't fret much about getting on with their lives. Some of this may be attributable to cascading student debt but some see the emergence of a higher generational consciousness.

The environmental magazine Grist sees "a hero generation" that will avoid the pain and suffering that comes with trying to overcome a tough economy. They will transcend the material trap of suburban living and work that engulfed their parents. "We know the financial odds are stacked against us and, instead of trying to beat them, we'd rather give the finger to the whole rigged system," the millennial author concludes

(snip)Fortunately, our millennials are not stuck in a narrow, expensive homogeneous country, like Japan. If our native-born young people lack sufficient moxie, newcomers from Mumbai, Mexico City, Seoul or Shanghai will show them the way – or the way to the unemployment office.(snip)


Obviously, north American countries are already seeing some aspects of this 'herbivore' phenomenon ...

- reduced interest in sex ... or at least sex with human females ... by some number of younger guys. This effectively reduces the number of new strip club / escort customers, but creates more customers for anime porn, internet porn, sex dolls and other sex related tech, etc. See

- reduced emphasis on long term relationships, in favor of the 'hook-up' culture. For those younger guys who are still interested in sex, an increasing number of younger girls are willing to provide it 'for free' without requiring any major commitments on the guys' part. This of course indirectly competes with strip clubs / escorts.

The link author also unwittingly raises an interesting point which relates to your comment about societal changes. Indeed a growing portion of the younger population of north American countries is comprised of 'immigrants' ( or first generation children of 'immigrants' ). Arguably, they bring with them aspects of their home country's culture regarding sex. And, generally speaking, those home country cultures tend to expect maximum 'bang for the buck' where spending money on 'sex workers' is concerned. While this is highly compatible should Canadian clubs transition to 'legal brothels', it is not conducive to strip club spending primarily based on 'entertainment' or 'fantasy' as opposed to outright sex for money.

justanothercamgirl
06-08-2015, 01:46 PM
Well, I can't comment on whether or not the article is true in its prediction the one thing I can tell you about Toronto is that it is expensive to strip there because of the licensing fees. I think it is something like $300 for the year.

As the licensing fee has been going up the number of girls getting licenses has been going down so that could also have an affect on how many strip bars stay open in the area.

I am just guessing though. I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to this topic.


Edited to add: Looked it up out of curiousity.....$367.36 the first year and $258.70 to renew.

threlayer
06-19-2015, 12:21 PM
I think it is lack of money. Almost all the increase in wealth in the last 20 years has gone to the richest 1%, and they can pay for all the sex they can handle without going to clubs.

tempest666
06-19-2015, 02:06 PM
Well damn these Negative Nancys better change their attitudes because we all know that's what is causing this industry to decline, not cold hard facts!
Turn that frown upside down!
:rotfl:
I'm being sarcastic because apparently all it takes to stem the tide of this industry declining is a strong dose of denial.

NoRegrets
06-19-2015, 06:05 PM
I think it is lack of money. Almost all the increase in wealth in the last 20 years has gone to the richest 1%, and they can pay for all the sex they can handle without going to clubs.

I'm in that group and it's not about sex. I can get that from many places: gold diggers, sugar babies, bottle girls, etc. The good thing about a club is it can be a stress reliever. After a long day, I drink a bit and hang out in VIP for a while to decompress. That's why it's really important to keep the drama out of the clubs. I do agree that net worth inequality is a big problem in the West and it's getting worse. That normally does not end very well, if history is a guide.

Omegaphallic
07-26-2015, 06:50 PM
I'm in that group and it's not about sex. I can get that from many places: gold diggers, sugar babies, bottle girls, etc. The good thing about a club is it can be a stress reliever. After a long day, I drink a bit and hang out in VIP for a while to decompress. That's why it's really important to keep the drama out of the clubs. I do agree that net worth inequality is a big problem in the West and it's getting worse. That normally does not end very well, if history is a guide.

Well said, you can already see the push back in the form of Mulcair leading the polls in Canada, Bernie Sander's huge crowds in the US, the surpise lead of Cobryn in the polls for the leadership of the Labour Party in the UK.