View Full Version : Gold Show Raise Your Rates Challenge!
JennyCouture
07-27-2015, 04:25 PM
0 from 0 is 0! You may make your goal but how many guys saw you for free and will never pay for a show? When you walk into Saks 5th Ave they spray a sample of perfume on a paper to let you smell it not hand you the entire bottle and say its Free!. If I can get the milk for free there's no need for you to try and sell me the cow because I already know the milk is free so Who needs the Cow. Extreme shows at 0 to 1 Gold? Why ?
0 WITH a 300 goal is 100$ not zero lol .. we may do free shows occasionally but our shows aren't free and I get alot of return PAYING customers cuz of it ... I wouldn't do it if it were hurting my business in anyway
bbcakezxo
07-27-2015, 05:04 PM
PLEASE, make them value our work, make us cam models a luxury service again & not a cheap product like many guys consider we are now.
I'm a camming newb, coming on about a year but I have several regulars who are older and have been cam custies for quite some time. They are always respectful, buy long exclusive blocks and actually value my time and service. So even though I wasn't around then, this kind of hits the nail on the head for me. I rarely ever do gold shows for this reason. It attracts young, broke, cheap disrespectful f*ckboys to my room and AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FO DAT
^^^ I posted in "Tips for Introverts" thread about having a barrier regarding what i CANT do in freechat or what i am supposed to do in a gold show countdown if i was doing them GS's, beside the fact i am introvert to some extent i also DONT WANT to give my services away to people who dont pay for them. In fact, it comes to 'I CANT BECAUSE I DONT WANT' lol & i'll explain why.
So, i offer fetish shows, i have my unique style & a lot of outfits & accessories to wear in my shows, that all cost me a lot of money, a good portion of my income went into buying things that people asked for & i know for a fact one of the very expensive items i wear in my shows nobody i am aware of have on SM. So, how it feels for me regarding my on cam services & this is a very personal perspective: i want each of my members to pay the right price in my room in order for me to be happy & feel my work is valued, by paying my price (which is not a high one but medium) they show me respect & consideration for the show i put up for them & for the things i wear for them.
If i was to give my shows for very cheap or nothing i would feel ripped off & this would be a huge turn off for me, i want each & every guy to chip in in order to enjoy my performance on cam; the only compromise i make is when a guy tips me in freechat to see ass or tits or legs/ feet, i offer flashes for gold to people who cant afford a pvt with me let's say but even then i feel irritated cause other guys get to see me showing off for free on behalf of the guy(s) that tipped. But i can live with that let's say, is also a sale tactic because i am thinking like this "ok, this guy who is giving me gold might return later on for a pvt or he just cant go pvt right now cause he's at work/ busy, whatever but he'll maybe add me to his favorites list for next time he has money and/ or time; then i also think "ok, i show myself to these other guys for free which i dont like but maybe they will return with money to either tip, pvt or if they like what they see they might take me pvt just now; this way i dont feel 'ripped off' lol.
I am talking about SM site here, if it comes to token sites, i know i cant work that style, they not fetish friendly, even on SM fetish gold shows wont work cause everyone wants & likes different things. I tried MFC, CB, NOPE, not for me! Even if i had the age, style & looks to fit in there (MFC) i know I DONT WANT to offer my services to people there, i could not stand the idea to perform cum shows for the crowds while i am paid by just a few of that guys while the rest gets to see me for free, NO, this will never ever change no matter what.
That's how i put value on my work, i know my worth & i go with the style/ fees that make me happy, if i cross my boundaries i know i'll feel miserable & i dont need that ish, money matter but depends on how i make them, this is all what matters to me as i said in another post.
For me cam work is very very personal & i need to stick to my boundaries in order to be able to cam, even i am not exalted about cam work i need at least to be content. The text in my signatures says it all regarding this matter, i am for the "Pay me (each of you or most of you) to get entertained" but it looks like other's hustle & style work too. I talked already about changing site culture & all, at this point i can say "everything we discuss here is true & every perspective is valid cause for each of us it feels different, we all are right actually because each of us experience things in an unique way".
hyori
07-28-2015, 09:01 AM
Inspired by this thread, I did a $10 buy in for a 10 minute show, offering 10 vids for each pledge. $300 was the "goal" but I guaranteed the show at $150 with only a 10 minute countdown.
In ten minutes, 3 guys tipped in and then the 4th put in the rest to guarantee the show.
It totally works, I am so not doing single digit gold shows anymore.
Redcandy
07-28-2015, 09:08 AM
Inspired by this thread, I did a $10 buy in for a 10 minute show, offering 10 vids for each pledge. $300 was the "goal" but I guaranteed the show at $150 with only a 10 minute countdown.
In ten minutes, 3 guys tipped in and then the 4th put in the rest to guarantee the show.
It totally works, I am so not doing single digit gold shows anymore. Yay for you Hyori! We just need to stay consistent with our Gold Show buy in when we up our prices to 10 gold and beyond. That's the only way to see if anything works is to stay consistent with your prices even in slow times! Don't cave in! Thank you for your input!
DeepThoughts
07-29-2015, 07:06 AM
IF Free works than why did sooooooooo many Porn girls with Membership sites who offer 1 or 2 live shows per week for free go Bust? If free works then why and how could porn stars averaging $10,000 per week in sales from there memberships and merchandise just dwindle down when guys started putting all there vids all over tube sites. There's no way you can tell me Sam that membership sites are still profitable like there were before tube sites started uploading porn stars videos for Free. In the long run No free does not work.
Your not really understand gold shows properly. A guy joins a gold show because he is going to blow his load and he wants to get off really well so he joins your shows. The frequency of a gold shows starting can seem inconsistent because of this. Basically if you have one guy who is really horny and he Really like you he will tip in large to get your show started. No effort required. Sometimes you have to hustle hard to start the same show because guys are less horny so you need to help get them there so they will tip in the minimum.
Most guys who are viewing a 0 to 1 gold show arent even going to be hard or really horny. Most likely they arent going to come or arent expecting to cum, However they are in the perfect mindset to fall in love with your shows which will make them future spenders and a few will probably even become big spenders. You cannot worry about the freeloaders who are just broke and trying to get it for free or you miss the marketing opportunity of it.
Sam38g
07-29-2015, 08:12 AM
Your not really understand gold shows properly. A guy joins a gold show because he is going to blow his load and he wants to get off really well so he joins your shows. The frequency of a gold shows starting can seem inconsistent because of this. Basically if you have one guy who is really horny and he Really like you he will tip in large to get your show started. No effort required. Sometimes you have to hustle hard to start the same show because guys are less horny so you need to help get them there so they will tip in the minimum.
Most guys who are viewing a 0 to 1 gold show arent even going to be hard or really horny. Most likely they arent going to come or arent expecting to cum, However they are in the perfect mindset to fall in love with your shows which will make them future spenders and a few will probably even become big spenders. You cannot worry about the freeloaders who are just broke and trying to get it for free or you miss the marketing opportunity of it.
Wow, Impressive. Thank you for explaining that so well. I never got big spenders, until I did gold shows. They buy in to test me out, love what they see & then go exclusive right after the gold show. While, I don't get them every gold show, I do often enough to make it worth doing one to two gold shows when I cam that day.
At the end of the day, it is OUR JOB to convert the free loaders & cheap guys into being good spenders. I don't get mad or angry about them anymore. Now, if they take up to much of my time energy in free chat with 20 questions, I boot them out. I don't let them run my free chat or cam shows.
The average age of guys who log onto cam sites, pay sites, twitter & even free tube sites is 18 to 35. Some of them on their way to great careers & big money makers, you get a chance to hook them now. ;) All my friends happily married for years husbands are all 5 to 10 years younger than them, tell me "hook them young & train them right'. It is our job to train them into becoming good customers, so that all parties involved are happy.
Cam sites can't target an audience of only men who will spend money. NO, they just spend money on getting traffic there, it is our job to convert them into a sale. So if a girl gets a guy who is convinced he would never spend money on porn to buy in at $1. Well, she just got him to do what he promised himself he would NEVER do. Now, getting him to spend more than that in the future will be even easier.
Smooches,
Sam
I was told by SM's 'officials' that gold shows were introduced as a promo type of show, not to be hosted all the time, i mean ok, they needed gold shows also for the tv channel but they were designed mainly to attract new members to the site & to model's rooms, like an introduction of how a private show is going to be :)
I guess not even SM took into consideration how these gold shows were going to be used on site, dont wanna repeat what i already said, u guys know my views on this matter. Sadly they did not put a minimum per minute price & to reduce the total minutes of gold show per day, per model, as i said it was intended to be kind of Happy Hour promotion tool like some other sites have (ImLive for example) but i guess they could not go this path due to the partnership with the tv channel & their requirements.
Sometimes when a company like SM introduces a new tool not even they can predict how the tool is going to be used therefore it was a boom at 1st but then it changed to what it is now, over saturated, consumed, overly cheap, 'smoked already'. Cant wait for the new 'tool', the 720HD stream quality :)
JennyCouture
07-29-2015, 10:03 PM
I was told by SM's 'officials' that gold shows were introduced as a promo type of show, not to be hosted all the time, i mean ok, they needed gold shows also for the tv channel but they were designed mainly to attract new members to the site & to model's rooms, like an introduction of how a private show is going to be :)
I guess not even SM took into consideration how these gold shows were going to be used on site, dont wanna repeat what i already said, u guys know my views on this matter. Sadly they did not put a minimum per minute price & to reduce the total minutes of gold show per day, per model, as i said it was intended to be kind of Happy Hour promotion tool like some other sites have (ImLive for example) but i guess they could not go this path due to the partnership with the tv channel & their requirements.
Sometimes when a company like SM introduces a new tool not even they can predict how the tool is going to be used therefore it was a boom at 1st but then it changed to what it is now, over saturated, consumed, overly cheap, 'smoked already'. Cant wait for the new 'tool', the 720HD stream quality :)
Gold shows came about to make us more money however we decide to use them..
One day I thought hmmm all these girls on mfc are making so much having guys pitch in for shows , and it makes sense . Everyone pitch in alittle , save alot and we make more..
I started doing shows in free chat this was (before gold shows were born) no below the belt nudity odviously but I would cum or do boobie shows etc whatever is aloud in free chat .. Whenever they all reached the amount I was asking.. I was constantly having to repeat myself and then sometimes someone would go pvt and everyone would freak like fuck I just put in money for this! Well , I was doubling my income doing shows this way over pvts , so I went to the owner one day and I asked him if there was a way to keep people from going pvt. He goes , uh why would you want to do that lol .. So I explained what I was doing etc ... 2 weeks later gold shows were born!! They were made for us to control and use how we want , all the time or as a treat .. They were never intended to be used for once in awhile etc they were made for us to double our incomes, make money faster and work less!
Yes they took into consideration how the shows will be used.. He told me himself they are they for us , we can choose if we want to charge 1$ or not they could careless..
It had nothing to do with the t.v shows etc ..
Gold shows were never meant to be controlled or monitored or used as a happy hour in anyway..
JennyCouture
07-29-2015, 10:04 PM
Trust me together me and the owner invented gold shows .. He doesn't care if we charge nothing or a ton of money they are here for us to do what we want with.. Thats the beauty of it.. None of us want to not make money.. lol
Wow, really! So u came up with the idea?! All this talk to finally tell us it was You who asked & was given this tool :) :)
I am impressed, it makes sense, i know he said to me some years ago "GS's are working great for some models, they bank with them". Tho i was told also later on "They (performers) doing the same thing over & over again & then wonder why is not working anymore".
Anyway, it makes sense to 'defend' the GS's concept once u had the idea. Yes, for u is working cause as i always said, u are one of a kind & i admire you for this, i just happen to not like the GS's concept cause i dont like this working style but hey, Who m i to talk right? You are the Star so GO GIRL! Make that money, u for sure deserve them :) Maybe when u not online or busy with an exclusive or so some of the members u bring on site will find me & other girls & pay us a visit :)
ETA: i really had very bad experience with GS's when i tried them after they been introduced, is a personal matter, i talked about this in verified section but i cant tell in here how & why, i mention this just so u know, me being resentful regarding GS's concept, i have very strong personal reason. Hugs!
laurielegs
07-30-2015, 01:52 AM
I've always appreciated the way gold shows lock out everyone who didn't pay.
That's what bugs me most about MFC and i am so glad that XXX shows in free chat aren't the rule on SM and hope they never are. Even the zero dollar ones still will lock out anyone who doesn't have a legit membership to SM.
ivybunny
07-30-2015, 02:56 AM
Wow, I've never thought of it that way! I probably still won't do a 0/1 full GS but I'm definitely going to see if I can implement this into my hustle... I already have a couple of ideas.
This is exactly why I love SW - <3 to all y'all bbs for being awesomesauce in general and for always pushing me to learn something new :)
Your not really understand gold shows properly. A guy joins a gold show because he is going to blow his load and he wants to get off really well so he joins your shows. The frequency of a gold shows starting can seem inconsistent because of this. Basically if you have one guy who is really horny and he Really like you he will tip in large to get your show started. No effort required. Sometimes you have to hustle hard to start the same show because guys are less horny so you need to help get them there so they will tip in the minimum.
Most guys who are viewing a 0 to 1 gold show arent even going to be hard or really horny. Most likely they arent going to come or arent expecting to cum, However they are in the perfect mindset to fall in love with your shows which will make them future spenders and a few will probably even become big spenders. You cannot worry about the freeloaders who are just broke and trying to get it for free or you miss the marketing opportunity of it.
JessRyan
07-30-2015, 12:03 PM
interesting thread. I'm so hit and miss with gs. I know whey guys wait till the last minute, just to see if you start the show before the goal, then they just have to tip the min to get in to see it. That's why I never say a show is guaranteed. It never gives them the incentive to tip more to get the show started. But now they know how tv gs work, so what's the point of tipping more, the show will start. say wha? I don't do tv gs, but get the guys asking if it's guaranteed, I say NO! Only when I reach the goal now. That's why I have a goal. Hello! I did have a guy beg me to do a 0 buy in with a 100 goal. I did make the goal, but before the last 90 seconds I confronted him to tip in something sense he was the one who suggested it. He didn't...I banned him. sorry ass. Well, needless to say I haven't done any gs for a few days. After trying and not reaching my goal and cancelling. I have a sour taste in my mouth.
JessRyan
07-30-2015, 12:05 PM
BUT maybe I'll give the 10 gold buy in for a 10 minute cowgirl show a try!? yeehaww
interesting thread. I'm so hit and miss with gs. I know whey guys wait till the last minute, just to see if you start the show before the goal, then they just have to tip the min to get in to see it. That's why I never say a show is guaranteed. It never gives them the incentive to tip more to get the show started. But now they know how tv gs work, so what's the point of tipping more, the show will start. say wha? I don't do tv gs, but get the guys asking if it's guaranteed, I say NO! Only when I reach the goal now. That's why I have a goal. Hello! I did have a guy beg me to do a 0 buy in with a 100 goal. I did make the goal, but before the last 90 seconds I confronted him to tip in something sense he was the one who suggested it. He didn't...I banned him. sorry ass. Well, needless to say I haven't done any gs for a few days. After trying and not reaching my goal and cancelling. I have a sour taste in my mouth.
That's what bothers me the most about gold shows, it has to do with my personality & the relation with men lol, i am the dominant type, i know what i want from life, from men, i expect to be given money on cam because i deserve their money but this is not always working with gold shows for example cause i hate to beg guys for money, i dont like to be put in the situation to do certain things in order for them to tip, to switch from a goddess that i am haha to a girl who needs their money, bleah!
Or to be told my looks dont match my attitude or that i dont deserve their money cause i am ugly, fat & what not. Cause that is happening when u host gold shows, u get to put up with a lot of different people and u depend on them to tip u within a set time.
Watching other models on cam made me understand how members react on different type of looks, attitude on cam, performance, the ability to talk & entertain them, so on.
While i can do okay for me working my niche in pvt/ excl. shows where only people who are into me will 'take me for a ride' or tip i understood i dont want to work gold shows & put up with people who dont see value in me or try to take advantage of me.
Even my looks dont match my attitude in gold shows type of performance, it's working perfectly good with slave & regular member types on cam haha & my attitude is helping me in real life a lot too cause i dont need a top notch look to feel valued IRL, as soon as i open my mouth people see value in me, either IRL or on cam in regular sessions but not in GS type of performance or on MFC for example where they came into my room to state the evidence: "You are fat" or "You are old" or "You are ugly", well yeah, so what? I know right? I know my looks (i am not fat but curvy & sexy), age (not old but middle age) & i know what i see when i look in the mirror (i am not ugly just not extremely beautiful), why u need to tell me these all?
It's the site culture who does this, apparently u dont deserve money on MFC or GS's if u not top notch of a woman & this attitude from men pisses me off big style. I saw many models being very annoyed when working their gold show countdowns, because of the people who misbehaved in their rooms or cause they did not wanted to tip or so, it's a very hard thing to do & be successful at so kudos to the ones who find success with gold shows!! This is what i admire in people, the thick skin & right attitude to let go on the negative part of these shows & focus on the positive part, success & validation PLUS MONEY :)
Pls note all i am talking about in here is personal experience & it refers to me only & the perception i have towards GS's, it might feel totally different for others & that's perfectly fine.
Hugs!
scarlettbelle
07-30-2015, 09:53 PM
So I had a GS reg requesting a "VIP Gold show" and he suggested a buy in of $50. I guess it's catching on. :D I was already in the middle of a regular GS countdown at the time, but after I started chatting with him about it one guy tipped in $65 and two others tipped in $30. Soooo I'm definitely going to be playing around with this some more!
Edit: Did another GS tonight at a $10 buy in for squirting. Made almost double my goal, so I'm happy! Let's make this trend catch on!
JessRyan
07-31-2015, 07:42 AM
Wow good for you scarlette! Actually I had stopped offering GS a week or so ago, because after dancing around and shaking my rather large milf booty, I'm lucky to get 30 gold! So I gave up. Before that I was easily making my goal and then some. So from going to goal to nothing made be discouraged and I decided to just take a break from gs. (lucky my privates and exclusives are doing just fine) Plus, I do gs to break up the boredom, relax, be more in control and just for extra tips. Since my goal is usually about 75 gold. GS are not a big income for me in the grand scheme of things. So, I feel I don't have my GS mojo right now. HOWEVER, I did have a good tipping regular come into my room yesterday, ask for a GS, I told him it's been tough making the goal, but what would he like me to do? He asked for a specific 6 minute gs and pretty much paid 80% of my goal to make it happen with a couple other of my good custies. So that put a smile on my face. Any job has it's ups and downs, and this is just a slow time. It will get better. Just keep swimming...
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
07-31-2015, 07:44 AM
So I had a GS reg requesting a "VIP Gold show" and he suggested a buy in of $50. I guess it's catching on. :D I was already in the middle of a regular GS countdown at the time, but after I started chatting with him about it one guy tipped in $65 and two others tipped in $30. Soooo I'm definitely going to be playing around with this some more!
Edit: Did another GS tonight at a $10 buy in for squirting. Made almost double my goal, so I'm happy! Let's make this trend catch on!
Yes this does work. But I have never thought to give it a name like VIP Gold SHOW. Usually when I do this its like a private discounted show for one or two guys who go for it. Also when I have done this the most I've ever set the buy in for was $35 and I used words like discount. Maybe I should change that and give it more value go to $50 while using words that suggest luxury? If I can get a guy to throw down $35 whats 15 more? Even the guys who don't have much money may love the idea of being made to feel like a baller. Rambling again. Must rethink my strategy.
Sam38g
07-31-2015, 08:44 AM
GS are a tool, nothing more. Some are better at using that tool than others, for some it is the ONLY Tool they use & for other's not at all. But what other models charge or do in private, exclusive or gs does not effect how much money I make.
At the end of the day, all that matters to me is hitting the goal I set for myself. I don't care which tool got me there. If GS don't work for you, no sense in hating on it.
On CB there are many apps & bots, a few work for me, but plenty I haven't figured out how to work them or sell them. Having different tools that helps us hustle is amazing to me, that is what I love. :)
Smooches,
Sam
JessRyan
07-31-2015, 08:54 AM
good point sam and phatgirl. I love gs when I'm hot, I'm hot and when everything is rolling right along. I enjoy the entertainment and fun of it. I really do like this idea of a VIP high buy in for a longer show. I already have the regualars who always tip in big for a gs. They must all be on vacation now. LOL I'll try the VIP GS when I feel my gs mojo returning
DeepThoughts
07-31-2015, 10:18 AM
what other models charge or do in private, exclusive or gs does not effect how much money I make.
-Sam38g
Brilliant!