View Full Version : Strippers suing club for not letting them into VIP because they are African American
moonangelko
08-13-2015, 06:50 PM
in lust and starlets its well known that girls will literally crawl and fight for every dollar on the floor like cockroaches. I don't blame them for not liking it. Trust I don't like it either.
BarbieNYC
08-14-2015, 12:23 PM
in lust and starlets its well known that girls will literally crawl and fight for every dollar on the floor like cockroaches. I don't blame them for not liking it. Trust I don't like it either.
That's every urban club. We call them bottom feeders or seagulls. and I don't mind picking up money off the floor if a guy throws me a lot of money.
I saw a girl get 10k thrown on her last Saturday. Another got thrown 15k. Even these famous ig models still didn't mind picking up every dollar off the floor. Like walking off the stage to pick up the dollars off the stage
can anyone who has actually worked at lust recently chime in? Cuz I worked there last fall and my gorgeous Haitian friend didnt have a hard time at all and she had promotors everywhere asking her to work. I actually was given the runaround for starlets forever and it was that girl who got me in.
I understand urban clubs not being everyone's style but u can't walk into a club like lust to work and not pick up money off the floor and stage. There's no lapdance or vip rooms. It's like me going to a manhattan club and being upset that the only real way to make money is vip rooms. I wouldn't sue, I'd just find a club where the money isnt dependent on vips.
I dont understand that part of their lawsuit. As for th racism thing, still don't get it from what I saw when I worked at lust and my friend's experience at all th top urban clubs in ny. Maybe she's the exception but we had other friends we always ran into at these clubs who were happily making money
Jay12
08-15-2015, 12:55 PM
My looks or anyone else's aren't the point because I'm not claiming discrimination. Yes there is discrimination but often times that's not the reason. When I ran a party service I once rejected a black dancer and she claimed racism. I wasn't being racist, she was obese, had a crewcut and no teeth. I wouldn't hire a white woman who looked like that either. This woman sued a previous club for discrimination, that sends warning vibes. I'd like to know if all white dancers were allowed in VIP because maybe they had their favorites. I've worked clubs where their were favorites who did more for the club. That's life, not discrimination.
I'd hire her. You best believe someone out there would've paid to have her. Being in this business have taught me that there is no such thing as an ugly woman, just stupid hiring managers.
Obsession91
08-18-2015, 09:06 AM
That first sentence.
At what, exactly?
Aniela
08-18-2015, 10:15 AM
That first sentence.
What is funny abt it? It is black privilege to blame discrimination. 'You're only saying/doing that bc I'm black!' Even when that's not the case.
I was ranting in the PA thread a few wks ago abt a shoplifter at my vanilla job. This woman might as well have been darting around suspiciously while humming the theme song from Mission Impossible -- that's how obvious she was that she was trying to be sneaky abt smtg. I called her on it … guess what … 'You only givin' me the stink eye cuz I'm BLACK!' trying to make me uncomfortable by making my attention to her abt race rather than her actual behaviour. And no, if you go back & find that post, you won't find me saying shit like 'Ugh OMFG this black woman at my job … ' bc I don't think race had anything to do w/ it.
That's the kind of behaviour I mean, & I've seen it happen quite a few times. Getting called-out on bad behaviour, or getting fired/transferred for political or other reasons that have nothing to do w/ race, a couple wks of shitty schedules … 'Fk you, it's all cuz you hate black ppl'. My act of describing these incidences is probably a case in point 'fk Aniela she hates black ppl' Nope. I just prefer to reserve judgment of either side until I see a little more than simply 'So&so only said such&such bc they're discriminating against Whoever'
Obsession91
08-18-2015, 02:46 PM
^^^ Aniela I'm sorry but I thought privileged was like a special right, advantage granted/available only to a particular person or group of people.I didn't not know black people had such rights solely to them to gripe about discrimination.Are you saying black people benefit the most from accusing others of discrimination? And would it be Latin privilege if any Latinos/Latinas cry discrimination?
Or Are are you stating black people in general are the ones who accuse others of discrimination the most?
There are some black people who do feel like every little thing is done or happens because they are black but we all do not feel that way.Some of us who like think more on a bigger scale & rational level know that sometimes things or even discrimination is based on a number of factors besides our skin color.
But I do think people like to downplay that discrimination based on skin color is a huge factor in a-lot of things/settings.Shit I had a manager at a S.C tell me how beautiful I am but wanted me to work at their "SISTER" club which was for black women & latinas the shit happens and more often then we think or even realize it does.
princessonyx
08-18-2015, 03:50 PM
This is not a new thing. Just because a club is in NYC and hires black dancers doesn't mean they are treated equally on the job. There was unequal treatment in these cases. I've certainly seen clubs that hire Blacks and enforce the rules harshly against them and barely against non Blacks. Many Latino clubs in the NY area won't hire Black women who don't look mixed race, if they are browner than a paper bag etc., expect the Black dancers to have little body fat and no limit on how big non Blacks can be.
Again, it's like saying "I never saw Bob be violent so he could not have hit his wife" I worked a place in NYC and did well, got along with management, etc. My friend who was half white and had a leaner model body type got no END of bullshit from them. The same people! So you never know what's rattling in people's heads until they tell you. And in this case they chose to fling racist insults. Management set that tone. Now they have to be accountable for it.
BTW Sin City certainly can be racist. I applied to that club and was mistreated as well. Again, the paper bag test.
Spot on! There's an incredibly higher standard dark skinned WOC have to uphold in comparison to light skinned WOC even in urban clubs. if you even skim starlets, lust, or sin city's instagram it's clear what their standard of beauty is. they're all fair-skinned, curvy latinas (beautiful of course! don't get me wrong, but not much variety).
There are hurdles in both environments that black strippers have to cross. If it's a majority white club, we can't be too "black" and if it's a urban club, we have to be "the right type of black". I've had an incredibly hard time finding work in this area that I know is attributed to racism to an extent. New York Dolls wouldn't even let me in the club when I tried to audition a while back. I got fired from Mystique when confronting management about an advertisement they posted to attract new girls (they were offering hourly pay to new dancers, so we asked about it) with a white co-worker, who was more aggressive in the conversation. I've tried to switch to urban clubs to find some relief and have had a harder time getting in because of my body type. I can understand their frustration, even if I wasn't there to know all of the details.
Aniela
08-18-2015, 07:05 PM
^^^ Aniela I'm sorry but I thought privileged was like a special right, advantage granted/available only to a particular person or group of people.I didn't not know black people had such rights solely to them to gripe about discrimination.Are you saying black people benefit the most from accusing others of discrimination? And would it be Latin privilege if any Latinos/Latinas cry discrimination?
I'm saying that in my observations, there seem to be a lot of black ppl that try to take advantage of race-based unease & the general 'OMG let's not offend anybody! :paranoid: ' oversensitivity that's been fostered in this country. I've also nvr seen anybody else (white, Asian, Latino, whoever) pull the race card as frequently as black ppl seem to do.
That's not to say I think ALL blacks behave this way. Far from it. The majority of black ppl I've had any kind of constant contact w/ as coworkers, friends, family, etc tend to fall into your 'rational, bigger-scale thinkers' category. But I have seen enough race-baiting/race-blaming bs w/ my own eyes that I can't just flat-out deny its existence.
As to the idea of Latino privilege … come on down to S FL, particularly anywhere between Miami + Key West … take a look around & then let's talk abt Latino privilege. Or more specifically, Cuban priviege. Whites had Jim Crow, blacks got affirmative action in its earliest conception, & the Cubans get the 'wet-foot/dry-foot' policy.
Or Are are you stating black people in general are the ones who accuse others of discrimination the most? There are some black people who do feel like every little thing is done or happens because they are black but we all do not feel that way.Some of us who like think more on a bigger scale & rational level know that sometimes things or even discrimination is based on a number of factors besides our skin color.
^^^^ I agree w/ this completely. The thing that I feel is often dismissed, is the idea that racism & discrimination are not tools exclusively used towards or by one single group. Any person has the capacity to be racist, whether you're black, white, or whatever. Yet I have seen blacks sincerely trying to argue that 'I CAN'T be racist! I'm black! You can only be racist against blacks' WTF … but the core of the problem IMO is that no one (regardless of race) wants to admit being racist themselves.
But I do think people like to downplay that discrimination based on skin color is a huge factor in a-lot of things/settings.Shit I had a manager at a S.C tell me how beautiful I am but wanted me to work at their "SISTER" club which was for black women & latinas the shit happens and more often then we think or even realize it does.
Again, agree here. This ^^^^ expresses my point that there are ppl on all sides, of all races, who make race A Huge Fkng Thing &/or try their best to use race & others' perceptions pf race to their own advantage. That's why I am not jumping on the 'Discrimination!!!' bandwagon just yet. If the clubs in question were truly employing discriminatory practises, then damn straight they need to have theirs handed to them. But given the degree to which sm ppl will employ the race card as a manipulation tactic, + the increasing lawsuit-happiness of our culture, I think these women's case also deserves equal scrutiny. It's not that I harbour sm kind of automatic, 'white privilege' certainty that the women are in the wrong -- I just think, as I stated previously, that both sides need to be thoroughly checked out.
I do have another point to address, stemming from your last paragrah ^^^^ but I will come back to it bc I need sleep. It's nothing against anything you said Obsession91 -- just further discussing discrimination by clubs in general & the 'Where do we draw the line?' question.
Obsession91
08-19-2015, 10:19 AM
Aniela thank you for elaborating more, but in your original statements it did seem like you were grouping us all together by saying blacks scream racism when something bad happens to them vs some blacks or from what you observed rather. Which is why she did the lmao.Black people can't be racist they can be prejudiced or bigots but not racist.I've normally used the term bigot for anyone who exemplified hate-fueled/ discriminatory behavior.Racism is systematic and it allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power. Well at-least that's what I was taught, everyone has their own varying means/definitions for things.
The frustration comes in on both sides because neither believes they are being heard/acknowledged.
I see you mentioned the white privilege thing,you seem like you can have a respectful/civil conversation.I'm willing to provide you with examples of what we mean when we say this if you are able/willing to have mutually respectful and healthy convo about it.White people just assume we're accusing you of growing up rich, without obstacles in life.That's not what white privilege entirely means
Aniela
08-20-2015, 06:04 PM
Aniela thank you for elaborating more, but in your original statements it did seem like you were grouping us all together by saying blacks scream racism when something bad happens to them vs some blacks or from what you observed rather. Which is why she did the lmao.Black people can't be racist they can be prejudiced or bigots but not racist.I've normally used the term bigot for anyone who exemplified hate-fueled/ discriminatory behavior.Racism is systematic and it allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power. Well at-least that's what I was taught, everyone has their own varying means/definitions for things.
The frustration comes in on both sides because neither believes they are being heard/acknowledged.
I see you mentioned the white privilege thing,you seem like you can have a respectful/civil conversation.I'm willing to provide you with examples of what we mean when we say this if you are able/willing to have mutually respectful and healthy convo about it.White people just assume we're accusing you of growing up rich, without obstacles in life.That's not what white privilege entirely means
Exxotica does the LMAO thing, along w/ name-calling, bc she is either too lazy or too tunnel-vision-stricken to consider other viewpoints, or present a coherent argument of her own. Check out her posts in the 'Minorities steered toward subprime loans' thread in Dollar Den.
That aside -- Black people can't be racist they can be prejudiced or bigots but not racist. & While I agree w/ this point as it relates to the second given definition of racism, black ppl certainly have the capacity to be racist under the first given definition -- just like any other person -- which is defined on an individual rather than systemic level.
But I do think people like to downplay that discrimination based on skin color is a huge factor in a-lot of things/settings. Absolutely. I tried to point out an example of this from earlier in the thread, & again, every poster that has been screaming against racism here has conveniently ignored it: the mention of a black dj who was turned away from a black club bc they thought he was 'too white'.
This is getting to the point that I mentioned wanting to come back to: Where is the line between 'preference' & 'discrimination'? I think this is a valid point, but no one seems willing to address it. I think in her own inflammatory, rageaholic way, Kellydancer may have been trying to make this point as well, altho I think that was a piss-poor way to go abt it. Black girls talk abt being turned away from a club & often blame discriminatory attitudes; I think we can all agree that this happens. But it's apparently only black girls who can make a claim abt discrimination, which is part of where my comment abt black privilege is rooted. I scouted a club in TX several yrs ago, didn't know until I pulled into the parking lot that it was an urban club. I felt a little anxious but thought, Oh well, I'm already here, let's have a look ... I was the only white person there. Most of the customers & girls ignored me, but a few of both gave me a very noticeable stink eye. I stayed for a drink, watched sm of the stage show, but when I tried to tip a girl onstage, she gave me a Fuck You look & refused to take my $$. I got to chatting w/ one of the mgrs & he said it would probably be a bad idea for me to try to work there. He said the girls don't like white girls, & the two head mgrs REALLY don't like white girls. Do I, as a white chick, then have equal claim to a lawsuit for discrimination? Socially as well as legally?
Tempest rocks an alternate look, as do many of the girls here. If they get turned away bc of their appearance, should they then have grounds to sue?
What abt the aforementioned dj? In that case, & in my case of discussing getting hired at this black club, it sounds like the powers-that-be really had a hard-on for any1 who isn't 'black enough'. Yet instances like this get completely glossed-over.
The grain of sense that I saw in Kellydancer's rantings from earlier in this thread is that, sm times, it might actually be a matter of the club trying to cater to their clientele rather than bc they themselves have sm prejudice against [insert category here]. But the only time any1 seems so quick to scream 'Discrimination!!' is when it happens to blacks. IMO there is a lot of grey area here that deserves closer examination, but gets lost in the knee-jerk outrage.
Obsession91
08-20-2015, 09:03 PM
Black girls talk abt being turned away from a club & often blame discriminatory attitudes; I think we can all agree that this happens. But it's apparently only black girls who can make a claim abt discrimination, which is part of where my comment abt black privilege is rooted.
^^^So not true.I believe anyone has that right, if they feel they have been violated/discriminated against{black,white,orange/purple,handicapped or indifferent.}Not just black women,the main issue would be though what does a person deem a violation or discrimination?
Aniela If I had seen you at that club or any non-black individual for that matter, I would've took your mula with the biggest smile on my face & twist in my waist.Green is muthaflippin green( as long as you're not a creep, or weirdo).Your money would've been just as good as anyone else's in my eyes.But nonetheless everyone is different, all brown folks do not think like me for whatever reasons they decided to treat you that way & it's not right.
I think in her own inflammatory, rageaholic way, Kellydancer may have been trying to make this point as well, altho I think that was a piss-poor way to go abt it
^^^I def don't think neither of them were trying to get anything remotely close to that,piss poor isn't even the word for it.Preference by who's standards though? The manager's or customers? I'm sorry but if the bouncers and even guys in the parking lot are trying to get my attention before I even get inside that should speak damn volumes. How does a manager know that the customers of a club strictly only wants to see all white dancers, or all black dancers or all latin dancers? And why tf don't we have more Indians/Asians in the club they are mf gorgeous...switch.... a lot of men like variety. I don't know how many times I've had clients tell me that they would prefer a diverse environment in regards to both spas and strip-clubs especially the upscale places.
Slight difference: They worked at this club and had these shitty things happen while working there.But If temptest has an alternative look and is being harassed, disrespected/berated & discriminated against at work hell yes! I believe even with your situation you could've done the same thing and he flat out told you it was because you're white? What kind of bs is that, he saved you it was a blessing in disguise.Anyone can sue on the basis of being unfairly/poorly treated, discriminated against,wrongful death etc ANYONE has that option & right.Whether or not you choose to take that route is up to you.
I stated earlier I just would've left the club & found another place to work because that's just me.I'd prefer to take my brown butt somewhere else and cash-out at a place that'll appreciate all this chocolate goodness instead of the long drag out process of a suit. But If a suit is really warranted than I applaud them as anyone else who stands up to such fuckery.
I myself didn't speak on the dj because they probably did him a favor & saved him from headache & bs.But I didn't read that he was called disrespectful names, harassed etc either. But yes he was discriminated against for not being what they deemed black enough. Hopefully this all makes sense because I've been drinking but I think I did ok lol.
Exxotica
09-01-2015, 08:44 AM
Did someone just coin the term Black Privilege and link it to being a victim of racial discrimination. Privilege = racial discrimination?!?
Please, oh, please let Buzzfeed make a spoof video of this.
Exxotica
09-01-2015, 08:49 AM
Exxotica does the LMAO thing, along w/ name-calling, bc she is either too lazy or too tunnel-vision-stricken to consider other viewpoints, or present a coherent argument of her own. Check out her posts in the 'Minorities steered toward subprime loans' thread in Dollar Den.
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Have we chatted recently? I didn't think so. Moving on.
You stated an instance going to a "black" club and being discriminated against but how did that affect your overall livelihood? There is a difference between discrimination and racism. Start there.
princessonyx
09-01-2015, 12:30 PM
It's extremely frustrating to talk about racism in the business or anywhere because this always happens. People of color have to end up defending their experiences, because other people don't want to believe that it still happens, or because it doesn't happen to them, that it isn't real. You can't be like that, in any sense - you can't assume things aren't difficult for other people if you don't live their experiences. That is something I think that needs to be said.
Outside of that, these instances are true - there have been dozens of threads on here talking about club discrimination. Even in New York now, things are a lot more tough because the competition is thicker.
Optimist
09-02-2015, 11:09 AM
WTF ive worked at lust and starlets they are urban clubs and super black dancer friendly. For goodness sakes really?!
The vip area is not a vip room. It's an upper level of the club with small vip stages and booths where guys go to throw money and pop bottles. Girls can just walk up and start twerking and getting rained on. There's no checking in with security to go up there you just walk up.
Only thing I can think they're salty about is maybe the bouncers didn't let them go into a vip booth full of ballers. But saying it's cuz they're black in an urban club is ludicrous. At lust the spanish girls don't work thursday nights because that's when all the black girls make $$$$$
And they're upset about picking money off of the floor in an urban club?
And they sued sin city too? Anothrr urban club. Geez.
That's every urban club. We call them bottom feeders or seagulls. and I don't mind picking up money off the floor if a guy throws me a lot of money.
I saw a girl get 10k thrown on her last Saturday. Another got thrown 15k. Even these famous ig models still didn't mind picking up every dollar off the floor. Like walking off the stage to pick up the dollars off the stage
can anyone who has actually worked at lust recently chime in? Cuz I worked there last fall and my gorgeous Haitian friend didnt have a hard time at all and she had promotors everywhere asking her to work. I actually was given the runaround for starlets forever and it was that girl who got me in.
I understand urban clubs not being everyone's style but u can't walk into a club like lust to work and not pick up money off the floor and stage. There's no lapdance or vip rooms. It's like me going to a manhattan club and being upset that the only real way to make money is vip rooms. I wouldn't sue, I'd just find a club where the money isnt dependent on vips.
I dont understand that part of their lawsuit. As for th racism thing, still don't get it from what I saw when I worked at lust and my friend's experience at all th top urban clubs in ny. Maybe she's the exception but we had other friends we always ran into at these clubs who were happily making money
The bouncers often have their own agendas. The club will take your house fee and present the club as open and fair game to everyone. It's not. Pay $100-$200 and see bouncers steer "their girls" to "their customers". These are girls who will tip them 50% of what they make, who'll let customers do illegal sexual things to them, who'll provide drugs, etc. even do sexual favors for the bouncers.
Those who don't put out in some way get robbed of house fee for customers they are prevented from hustling! Does anyone want to pay for services they don't get?? Not really.
One of my clubs is not racist in hiring but the bouncers are racist in who they'll take to high rollers!
I've sat with customers who are interested in buying and watched a floor man walk up speaking in code to the customer, standing to the side shaking his head to tell them not to buy. I have no negative track record at this club and have sold rooms for multiple hours. But these "men" gang up to control every woman's income and pimp at will. This guy was fired after a dancer complained he steered extras girls and actively BARRED everyone else but he's part of an informal gang. There are at least 3-4 guys who continue the racist agenda. Case in point, I've never seen a black dancer walked to the VIP section yet I see a white dancer who is WEIGHT LISTED walked over EVERY NIGHT.
For every one of your friends you've seen working, there are scores of Black women who came in after the quota, were too Black or too educated, or too thin etc. The very things that are seen as assets for white women are negatives at urban clubs. Is that hard to understand? If it is, join the club. Many of us find that arbitrary racist game playing hard to understand in this day and age.
tempest666
09-02-2015, 04:22 PM
I can't speak for this case but my bff that I mentioned still can't get hired ANYWHERE after 5 months.
Dancer_maria
09-03-2015, 11:26 PM
In the original article: "Kieara Gaskin, 28, and Tenia Stuckey, 37, say it was hard to earn bigger tips when they were given >LESS< time in the VIP areas of clubs where they worked in Brooklyn and Queens."
It did not say NO time, it said Less, just getting that cleared up.
No matter the color, or size, shape, the market will influence what the bouncers, club owners, and managers do as they try to "feed" that markets demand. I really don't do well in bigger VIP clubs as Im not on the beautiful side and dont have much chest, BUT I work my lil niche. I will Never make what many here do on stage, but Ya gotta do tables or Laps. The male market desire seems to STILL be for all out gorgeousness and some bouncing boobs. The people hiring will ALWAYS try to grab what works in THEIR own lil world/market. I have a good relationship with Doormen at some clubs, but its not any 50% tip out deal. No matter what, the customer will have to prefer you or your type, and that can't be "forced to make it fair". Life isnt fair, but we do what we can in basically meat market, and try to be the preferred selection of the night. I like to think the race argument is more of supply and demand for type. If any of you dance with any Russian girls, you know this is true. Men will line up, bow down and drop wallets for Russian beauties, so white girls discriminated against cause the Russians cleaning up? NO, its just the demand, and club owners, bouncer play into that for their own benefit too many times, which is wrong, but not a ton you can do about it. If you dont know, being a Legal prostitute in NV , a girl must pay back at 50% to the house TAXED on the rest) then $40 a day for room and board and work mandatory till 2 am. ( at many brothels) . Just throwing that out there for perspective.. Every job has its drawbacks and odd competitiveness.
Optimist
09-04-2015, 07:48 AM
In the original article: "Kieara Gaskin, 28, and Tenia Stuckey, 37, say it was hard to earn bigger tips when they were given >LESS< time in the VIP areas of clubs where they worked in Brooklyn and Queens."
It did not say NO time, it said Less, just getting that cleared up.
No matter the color, or size, shape, the market will influence what the bouncers, club owners, and managers do as they try to "feed" that markets demand. I really don't do well in bigger VIP clubs as Im not on the beautiful side and dont have much chest, BUT I work my lil niche. I will Never make what many here do on stage, but Ya gotta do tables or Laps. The male market desire seems to STILL be for all out gorgeousness and some bouncing boobs. The people hiring will ALWAYS try to grab what works in THEIR own lil world/market. I have a good relationship with Doormen at some clubs, but its not any 50% tip out deal. No matter what, the customer will have to prefer you or your type, and that can't be "forced to make it fair". Life isnt fair, but we do what we can in basically meat market, and try to be the preferred selection of the night. I like to think the race argument is more of supply and demand for type. If any of you dance with any Russian girls, you know this is true. Men will line up, bow down and drop wallets for Russian beauties, so white girls discriminated against cause the Russians cleaning up? NO, its just the demand, and club owners, bouncer play into that for their own benefit too many times, which is wrong, but not a ton you can do about it. If you dont know, being a Legal prostitute in NV , a girl must pay back at 50% to the house TAXED on the rest) then $40 a day for room and board and work mandatory till 2 am. ( at many brothels) . Just throwing that out there for perspective.. Every job has its drawbacks and odd competitiveness.
Actually "life" within the club should not be manipulated by the staff we are forced to pay to make it UNFAIR. Their suit is about getting middlemen out of the way. You want to charge all dancers the same for your services, then provide the same services for all of us.
Your example of Russians is a perfect example of racist propaganda/brainwashing. I've worked in clubs where Russians are NOT preferred and you may be unaware that in the NY area before the cheap clubowners farmed out staffing to Russian agencies, customers COMPLAINED about seeing so many women you could not speak English to. Others had issues with them based on ethnicity--all whites/Europeans are NOT fond of them and many actually hate Russians. Club attendance in these clubs took quite a dip for YEARS and many clubs closed/were sold because the Russian dollar parade ran them off. The media in this country actively brainwashes people to believe there's no such thing as an ugly white woman, an ugly blonde woman, and that they are universally desired and preferred. It's not true. In many cases demand didn't drive the Russian presence, the agencies PAYING clubs to employ them drove that presence and preference.
KaraLynn
09-04-2015, 02:31 PM
Actually "life" within the club should not be manipulated by the staff we are forced to pay to make it UNFAIR. Their suit is about getting middlemen out of the way. You want to charge all dancers the same for your services, then provide the same services for all of us.
Your example of Russians is a perfect example of racist propaganda/brainwashing. I've worked in clubs where Russians are NOT preferred and you may be unaware that in the NY area before the cheap clubowners farmed out staffing to Russian agencies, customers COMPLAINED about seeing so many women you could not speak English to. Others had issues with them based on ethnicity--all whites/Europeans are NOT fond of them and many actually hate Russians. Club attendance in these clubs took quite a dip for YEARS and many clubs closed/were sold because the Russian dollar parade ran them off. The media in this country actively brainwashes people to believe there's no such thing as an ugly white woman, an ugly blonde woman, and that they are universally desired and preferred. It's not true. In many cases demand didn't drive the Russian presence, the agencies PAYING clubs to employ them drove that presence and preference.
I agree with this, actually. I have worked at clubs with a lot of Russian girls and they were not more sought out than American girls nor did they always do better every night. I actually knew of a girl who used to love traveling to NYC to dance because the customers would actually hear she was an American when she spoke and enthusiastically tip her and buy dances from her.
I also agree with the fact that the bouncers and staff have no right to try to dictate who has what privileges and who gets to do what when they expect all the girls to tip them the same amount. It's bullshit and it would make me not want to give them a penny.
I've always said if I had a strip club I would hire all types of girls because customers like all types of girls, not just one type. For example, I told my husband that certain clubs only wanted super thin girls and he said "Don't they realize not everyone is into that" it's true, I believe some managers do hire based on their personal taste or convenience, not by customer demand. When they do this they are only hurting their own business in the long run.