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kaninchen
07-26-2015, 03:48 PM
Again, if she (or any other person) wanted it badly enough, they would have found a way to do it. You don't 'need' a spot to hang from that's higher off the ground than your own height, all you need is sufficient pressure to cut off the airway. http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/hanging/short-drop/simple-suspension

I really don't buy this though! To be totally honest, I tried to hang myself from a door (looping rope from the handle on the other side over the top) when I was a teenager and it was instantly and immensely painful. I've never felt anything like it in my life. I'm in awe of anyone who would be able to endure that to the point of losing consciousness.

That paired with the other coincidences -- that she was left unmonitored as a known suicide risk, that the trash bag was strong enough to support her body weight after it was likely reflexively thrashing violently, that no one heard any suspicious noises...

I can see that it's remotely possible. It just seems really incredible as it happened.

simone87
07-26-2015, 05:51 PM
so i just saw the full dash cam tape and I'm just beyond disgusted. "resisting arrest" he had NO RIGHT to arrest her in the first place. none. 0. what would he possibly arrest her for? being rude to him, pissing him off? "assaulting an officer", well that's after you reached your nasty piggy little hands onto her person to forcibly yank her out of the car when you had no right to. a cigarette? gimme a fucking break, i dont actually believe anybody buys that shit. it was so obviously crooked. and then you hear him asking what story he should come up with when asked why he arrested her for a no turn signal. just gross.
after seeing that its pretty obvious that we aren't dealing with rational honest policemen. i also find it unlikely that she could withstand the amount of pain that it would take to slowly strangle yourself with a plastic bag ( and what was that doing in her cell all weekend, still haven't figured that one out) considering that its so painful ppl lose control of their bowels during strangulation. and pot had nothing to do with it, they are really grasping at straws with that one.

eagle2
07-26-2015, 07:41 PM
I say whatever fault there is here, lies w/ the ppl who handled her at the jail.

From what I have seen of the traffic stop videos, it was a perfectly legal arrest. The thing abt a dashcam video is that it often doesn't capture the behaviour/demeanour of the person being pulled-over bc they are still in the car. I haven't heard any audio so maybe I am missing smtg, but the odour of marijuana (for example) falls under probable cause for arrest, likewise if the person is behaving in a way that indicates they are intoxicated. In a case like that, an officer is fully w/in their means to take you to jail to dry out.

The fuss over putting out her cigarette? A live cigarette can indeed be used as a means to cause harm & the officer was w/in his rights to have her extinguish it b4 exiting the vehicle. He was under no obligation to explain himself aka lay out his reasons for her approval as to why he felt the still-burning cigarette was a threat to his safety when he was going to arrest her.

Pulling her over for not using her turn signal -- call it a hummer charge, but it's perfectly legal. The impression I get from what I've seen of the video evidence is that she not only mouthed-off (so much for respect being a two-way street) but she behaved in a way that suggested she was high. If she was, or if she smelt like pot, again, the officer was not out of line to arrest her.

The autopsy mentioned 'deep tissue bruising' on her back supposedly from being held down during the arrest -- who here has tried to wrestle an unwilling individual into handcuffs? Might look great on tv but it's not easy. Fact is, w/ the possible exception of a yoke or choke hold, if the restraint is properly performed you risk more physical dmg to yourself from fighting it than from the restraint itself. The arresting officer was alone & did what was necessary to physically incapacitate her (get her face down to cuff her behind her back, bc cuffing a person 'in the front' is not safe) as she was fighting him.

I agree the ppl who were in charge of her once she was booked, fked up royally. I could see them brushing off her 'I'm depressed & suicidal' complaints as a cry for attention, but in this day, that attitude is asking for trouble. When a person is put on suicide watch, they stay on suicide watch for the duration of their visit. Frequent checks are (supposed to be) made, & much more often than this 'once every hr' stuff. If not out of genuine concern for the person's safety, then out of the need to cover the institution's ass. So yes, I agree sm1 (maybe multiple sm1s) need to be held accountable.

That said, the woman had a history of mental-health problems. She had problems w/ depression + at least one suicide attempt. The autopsy described multiple self-inflicted injuries to her arms consistent w/ possible suicidal intentions. full tox screen is pending last I saw, but the preliminary tox screen showed a large amt of THC in her system. I know, I know, mj is fully harmless & has nvr, ever, been known to cause or compound kind of negative affect on the brain. No paranoia, no compounding of depressed moods or suicidal inclinations. Perish the idea of drugs influencing suicidal behaviour.

Also, there has been sm disbelief expressed here that the garbage bag in question could hold the weight of a grown woman sufficiently to hang herself. When I first saw the story, I figured she must have coiled it up really tight then fashioned the noose that way. I think it could be possible, esp if she was light. That said, while it was Damn Stupid of the keepers to leave that in her reach if she was on suicide watch, maybe they figured the same thing, or that she was just full of shit abt being suicidal, or that it was the drugs talking & she would chill out once she came down from them.

Finally, from all of the discussions on this board abt mental health, & all the experiences we have shared here abt our own struggles w/ depression & the like … I find it curious that NO ONE here seems to think it's possible this lady could have actually offed herself. It's a sad & ugly thought, but let's be honest here. Severe depressive episodes can come & go, but even when they are on the 'go' phase, it can take VERY little to set you off again, & you're back deep down in the emotional muck. If a person 'wants out' badly enough, they WILL find a way to do it, & if SB was in that state of mind, nothing would have stopped her while in custody except for being held naked in a bare cell.

I also see a problem with the criminal justice system system for having her spend multiple days in jail. I don't see the point of it. She wasn't a violent criminal.

Obsession91
07-26-2015, 08:56 PM
I hate subjects like this but my only thing is.... I seriously do believe in Propaganda & I do believe there are good cops but I also believe there are lots of bad cops and those that cover/make excuses for them are just as much the problem as the bad cops.Too many of these events are happening and cops are not being help accountable for their actions which is why they continue to go about things the way they do.I'll leave it at this

http://pantherparty.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/wpid-img_155014501651521.jpeg

https://fiercetruthnews.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/frederic-douglas.png

:peace:

BTW MalcomX used to F sh*t up!!!

Optimist
07-27-2015, 09:57 PM
Here's the problem, these people are NOT COPS. They are Domestic Terrorists and it's high time white Americans stopped pretending these people aren't ANTI American in every way. They think there's some obscure excuse for murdering Blacks, it's always our fault for breathing the wrong way, resisting assault, what-ever-the-fuck but the fact is these loyal men in blue are MURDERING actual cops and other whites as well. Maybe that sentence will be a wakeup call :

FBI warning of October 2006, which reported that “White supremacist infiltration of law enforcement” represented a significant national threat.

Several key events preceded the report. A federal court found that members of a Los Angeles sheriffs department formed a Neo Nazi gang and habitually terrorized the black community. Later, the Chicago police department fired Jon Burge, a detective with reputed ties to the Ku Klux Klan, after discovering he tortured over 100 black male suspects. Thereafter, the Mayor of Cleveland discovered that many of the city police locker rooms were infested with “White Power” graffiti. Years later, a Texas sheriff department discovered that two of its deputies were recruiters for the Klan.

In near prophetic fashion, after the FBI’s warning, white supremacy extremism in the U.S. increased, exponentially. From 2008 to 2014, the number of white supremacist groups, reportedly, grew from 149 to nearly a thousand, with no apparent abatement in their infiltration of law enforcement.


This year, alone, at least seven San Francisco law enforcement officers were suspended after an investigation revealed they exchanged numerous “White Power” communications laden with remarks about “lynching African-Americans and burning crosses.” Three reputed Klan members that served as correction officers were arrested for conspiring to murder a black inmate. At least four Fort Lauderdale police officers were fired after an investigation found that the officers fantasized about killing black suspects.

The United States doesn’t publicly track white supremacists, so the full range of their objectives remains murky. Although black and Jewish-Americans are believed to be the foremost targets of white supremacists, recent attacks in Nevada, Wisconsin, Arizona, Kansas and North Carolina, demonstrate that other non-whites, and religious and social minorities, are also vulnerable. Perhaps more alarmingly, in the last several years alone, white supremacists have reportedly murdered law enforcement officers in Arkansas, Nevada and Wisconsin.

In fact, the FBI reports that of the 511 law enforcement officers killed during felony incidents from 2004 to 2013, white citizens killed the majority of them. Of the citizens stopped by law enforcement officers in New York City and Chicago, white citizens were more likely to be found with guns and drugs. Given the white supremacist penchant for violence, guns and drug trafficking, the findings may be an indication that their network is just as destructive and far-reaching as that of foreign terrorist groups.


The central Florida town of Fruitland Park, has been dealing with alleged KKK ties and other problems in the police ranks since 2010. Florida has the second highest number of hate groups in the US, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

While the Klan used to be politically powerful in the 1920s, when governors and U.S. senators were among its 4 million members, nowadays it is much less active than other sectors of the radical right and has less than 5,000 members nationwide, Potok said.




The Sun Sentinel reports:

"Law enforcement officers boldly attended Klan meetings armed and in uniform," King wrote. "Tom Hurlburt Jr., the former chief of the Orlando Police Department, whose father, a citrus buyer, had served as one of McCall's deputies, said, 'I believe the only thing more powerful than Willis McCall was the Ku Klux Klan in those days.' "

ScarletKitten
07-27-2015, 11:05 PM
I didn't want to get involved with this thread, because this story is incredibly heart-breaking and infuriating.

But I wanted to say that she was probably already dead in her mug shot.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/sandra-bland-mugshot-mug-photo-already-dead-photoshopped-edited-fake-conspiracy-theory-hoax-real-edited-photos/

I'm sick to my stomach. I'm also flabbergasted that people would believe this bullshit suicide cover-up. It is FAR more likely that she was murdered. She was a passionate woman who had alot of fight in her. Highly unlikely she would kill herself in a jail after getting arrested for not using a turning signal! She was going to Texas from another state to start a new job! Far more likely that a racist piece of shit working at the jail killed her.

Faith in humanity dropping again...

SuperJa
07-28-2015, 02:53 AM
I didn't want to get involved with this thread, because this story is incredibly heart-breaking and infuriating.

But I wanted to say that she was probably already dead in her mug shot.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/sandra-bland-mugshot-mug-photo-already-dead-photoshopped-edited-fake-conspiracy-theory-hoax-real-edited-photos/

I'm sick to my stomach. I'm also flabbergasted that people would believe this bullshit suicide cover-up. It is FAR more likely that she was murdered. She was a passionate woman who had alot of fight in her. Highly unlikely she would kill herself in a jail after getting arrested for not using a turning signal! She was going to Texas from another state to start a new job! Far more likely that a racist piece of shit working at the jail killed her.

Faith in humanity dropping again...

Thank you for sharing this.

Mugshot from previous arrest is here for comparison: http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Illinois/Du-Page-County-IL/Sandra-Bland.69452631.html

Notice she does the same downward head angle in this mugshot that she does in all her other pictures.

Aniela
07-28-2015, 10:16 AM
To be totally honest, I tried to hang myself from a door (looping rope from the handle on the other side over the top) when I was a teenager and it was instantly and immensely painful. I've never felt anything like it in my life. I'm in awe of anyone who would be able to endure that to the point of losing consciousness. .

I would say then that you didn't want it badly enough :thumbsup: I am not mocking you at all there, I say it sincerely & I am happy you were not successful.

One of my police uncles got a call once for what turned out to be a suicide. The man's wife called the police when she couldn't find him, & they found him in the basement. He basically did the exact same thing you described -- took the clothesline down, tied one end round his neck, tied a further section of the line to the doorknob (on his side of the door) & sat down. His wife had been upstairs the whole time & had no idea he was down there. Now that's a guy who really wanted to die; they reached him b4 he was fully dead & briefly revived him but he had caused severe enough dmg to himself in the process that he died en route to hospital. It was LONG b4 the internet age but if I can find anything abt it or a similar case I will link it.

A successful short-drop hanging is little more than creating a yoke hold on yourself w/o having another person to yoke you. A proper yoke hold induces unconsciousness very quickly (by cutting off bloodflow to the brain rather than cutting off respiration) but doesn't leave lasting dmg if released immediately upon unconsciousness.

If a grown man can successfully hang himself w/ a clothesline, I don't think it's too far-fetched that a grown woman can coil up a bin liner tightly enough to strangle.

Aniela
07-28-2015, 10:29 AM
But I wanted to say that she was probably already dead in her mug shot.

...

That sounds like a phenomenal amt of work.

1) doesn't fit the timeline. They don't wait days to take mugshots. Even if it's a high-volume day for in-processing, all of a prisoner's documentation is going to get completed ASAP. Everything I've seen says she was in jail for several days b4 she died.

2) if they are really trying to coverup her death … why in the hell would they use a post-mortem pic as a mugshot? postmortem pics for evidence purposes would not be unusual, but don't you think that if they truly were going to try pssing off such a pic as a living shot, they would put a bit more effort into it? I looked at the link you posted, I agree, she looks rough. She looks depressed & scared. Those would not be abnormal emotions to have following an arrest. But she is clearly still alive in that mugshot.

3) Photoshop is truly a marvelous thing. But if a person's picture can be altered to make them appear alive … isn't it possible a living picture can be altered to make the person appear dead?

tuesdaymarie
07-28-2015, 03:22 PM
^And didn't Bland's family and friends state they spoke with her on the phone well after she had been jailed? These illogical theories dilute and discredit all the good questions and discussions that could be going on right now.

Optimist
07-28-2015, 05:37 PM
^And didn't Bland's family and friends state they spoke with her on the phone well after she had been jailed? These illogical theories dilute and discredit all the good questions and discussions that could be going on right now.

And that's exactly the point of the disinformation campaign. They have to provide an explanation even if it's flimsy to placate people looking for any excuse to sweep the unpleasantness away.

whirlerz
07-28-2015, 07:36 PM
Latest Vid
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/us/sandra-bland-jail-video-texas/?iref=obinsite

& latest dash cam http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/us/sandra-bland-jail-video-texas/?iref=obinsite

Optimist
07-28-2015, 08:18 PM
^And didn't Bland's family and friends state they spoke with her on the phone well after she had been jailed? These illogical theories dilute and discredit all the good questions and discussions that could be going on right now.

Questions like why is there a rash of Black women being jailed for minor violations and found hanging?

Yet another 18-year-old girl was said to have hanged herself in the Homewood City Jail Tuesday night. In this latest case, the Jefferson County Coroner’s Office in Alabama has identified the deceased as Kindra Darnell Chapman.

She had been booked into the jail at 6:22 p.m., on a first-degree robbery charge, but only slightly over an hour later, she was found dead.

This robbery, it should be noted, was not the sort you might be assuming. She took a cell phone from another youth, in the 1600 block of Lakeshore Court. That’s what the police are calling “robbery,” which may or may not have been true. She was still supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Cleveland police officers recently killed a 37-year-old African American woman who died after police slammed her head on the concrete, just outside of her family’s home.

Her brother explained that Tanisha Anderson was pronounced dead at Cleveland Clinic after the assault by the Ohio cops. The pronouncement came early Thursday about two hours after the police “take down” caused Anderson to bash her head on the concrete outside of her home.

“They killed my sister,” Joell Anderson, Tanisha’s 40-year-old brother said as he fought back tears. “I watched it.”

Natasha McKenna was murdered by the police, plain and simple. There is really no other way to put it, or any other thing to call it when a woman is killed after being handcuffed and shackled.

Any attempt at justifying the taking of someone’s life who has been restrained to that degree is really just evidence that – to the apologist – there is nothing any member of law enforcement can ever do that will be condemned, no matter how abusive, brutal or grotesque.

The Washington Post reported that Natasha McKenna was killed by officers “after a stun gun was used on her at the Fairfax County jail in February was restrained with handcuffs behind her back, leg shackles and a mask when a sheriff’s deputy shocked her four times, incident reports obtained by The Washington Post show.”
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/07/two-young-women-were-after-minor-arrests/
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/cops-slam-unarmed-woman-on-the-pavement-killing-her-in-front-of-family/

whirlerz
07-28-2015, 08:22 PM
It's shocking & terrible^. The police need better training & supervision.

Optimist
07-28-2015, 08:54 PM
An Asian man was "found" hung in a Houston jail:
In what seems to be becoming an epidemic, yet another person has been found dead in a Texas jail, supposedly another suicide by hanging. If your bullshit alarm isn’t going off by now, you may wanna check and see if you are plugged in and functioning properly.
The still unidentified man’s body, it is claimed, was discovered by a fellow inmate. According to KTKR:

“He was let back into his cell, the cell door was locked behind him,” said HPD spokesperson Kese Smith. “Sometime after that, when his suite mate finished lunch, he went back to the cell and found the deceased individual dead. At this time it appears he used his clothing to hang himself.”

http://www.copblock.org/133341/another-person-hung-texas-jail/

The most recent incident happened in the Houston 61 Riesner jail. A 38 year old Asian male was ‘found’ dead, allegedly hung by his own pants. He had been booked in the jail 12 hours earlier for possession of a substance and passed a mental health examination meant to screen for potentially suicidal individuals.

Optimist
07-28-2015, 09:00 PM
An Asian man was "found" hung in a Houston jail:
In what seems to be becoming an epidemic, yet another person has been found dead in a Texas jail, supposedly another suicide by hanging. If your bullshit alarm isn’t going off by now, you may wanna check and see if you are plugged in and functioning properly.
The still unidentified man’s body, it is claimed, was discovered by a fellow inmate. According to KTKR:

“He was let back into his cell, the cell door was locked behind him,” said HPD spokesperson Kese Smith. “Sometime after that, when his suite mate finished lunch, he went back to the cell and found the deceased individual dead. At this time it appears he used his clothing to hang himself.”

http://www.copblock.org/133341/anoth...ng-texas-jail/

The most recent incident happened in the Houston 61 Riesner jail. A 38 year old Asian male was ‘found’ dead, allegedly hung by his own pants. He had been booked in the jail 12 hours earlier for possession of a substance and passed a mental health examination meant to screen for potentially suicidal individuals.

http://abc13.com/news/hpd-man-uses-pants-to-hang-himself-in-jail/875574/



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Lily Shilo • 5 days ago

Has a war began and we don't know it??
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Adam Komar Lily Shilo • 5 days ago

Suicides and suicide attempts happen in jail happen all the time. This is only making the news because of the Sandra Bland situation.
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Michael Anderson Lily Shilo • 5 days ago

Did the war ever end? The law rounded up slaves who escaped. The law allowed the Klan to terrorize and harass. The law let anti segregation activists be beaten by crowds of whites or joined in themselves. The law dispersed through violence civil rights demonstrations. The law assassinated Black Panther leaders and used every possible tactic to attack the civil rights movement then and now. The law has and always will be racist and classist.
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whirlerz
07-28-2015, 09:18 PM
Horrible! They need a major overhaul, & to be investigated.

lokikola
07-28-2015, 09:24 PM
Just ask any foreigner what they think of our situation with our police here in the US. Complete police brutality everywhere.

A good rule to know if you're being unprofessional, "if it feels good to say it you probably shouldn't." When she yelled at him for slamming her face and told him she suffered from epilepsy his response was: "GOOD! GOOD!"

He was way out of line. Just the fact that he dragged her as far as he could to get her out of sight of the dash cam says enough.

Cops forget they are public servants, we pay them and keep them employed. Their duty is to protect not harass and murder citizens. The badge is tarnished. Something major needs to happen. Police academies need to change or implement additional training to address this crisis and we need more transparency from our police departments.

As citizens we need to know our rights and not be afraid to exercise them. The police officer told a guy who was recording the incident to go away. He cannot tell someone to not record or to leave the area if they are not interfering with their work, and he was not. This is another factor in brutality, intimidating potential witnesses and trying to avoid/destroy evidence.

I keep a dash cam in my vehicle that I can turn around to face me and anyone at my window should I be pulled over. I also have bluetooth that allows everything being said in my vehicle to be recorded onto my phone. When I have been pulled over I politely inform the police officer my vehicle's bluetooth is recording and I cannot, will not turn it off. They've always been very professional and quick. Until there are major changes with our police force we need to be proactive in protecting ourselves from offers like the one Sandra Bland came across.

Nina_
07-29-2015, 07:26 AM
I was responding mainly to Nina's w/ that post.

Well regarding that post of yours, it DOES NOT matter if, when your autopsy was performed, you were in an area where marijuana is legal or illegal - if you are a member of society who is a perceived threat or oppressed, the fact that mj was found in your system will no doubt be used to discredit your character, even if the reason is unsupported by logic, science, or the 'reasonable person' clause.

To say the fact that the autopsy found weed in her system supports the odd conclusion that she committed suicide is reaching. Weed has also been known to help with depression, so why is the weed found in her system being used to support the flawed argument that this activist chick who just got a job she was excited about happened to get arrested and decided to just commit suicide. That does not add up.

Aniela
07-29-2015, 07:58 AM
To say the fact that the autopsy found weed in her system supports the odd conclusion that she committed suicide is reaching. Weed has also been known to help with depression, so why is the weed found in her system being used to support the flawed argument that this activist chick who just got a job she was excited about happened to get arrested and decided to just commit suicide. That does not add up.

Again, I nvr once said that mj caused her to commit suicide. Plz show me where I said anything stating that mj caused her to flip her shit & kill herself. I said that mj could very well have had a negative affect on her mindset, that would make it a contributing factor but not the cause.

This lady, for all the good that seemed to be coming together in her life, had problems w/ depression. There is at least one known suicide attempt. She lost a child, & as one who has lost a child myself, that shit Fucks You Up unless you're a sociopath or just phenomenally good at compartmentalising.

Mj may very well help some ppl w/ depression -- so do a lot of different antidepressants. But you said yourself Nina, drugs affect each person differently. That it benefits some ppl does not automatically mean it be benefitted SB, it could just as easily have had the opposite affect.

Nina_
07-29-2015, 08:24 AM
Again, I nvr once said that mj caused her to commit suicide. Plz show me where I said anything stating that mj caused her to flip her shit & kill herself. I said that mj could very well have had a negative affect on her mindset, that would make it a contributing factor but not the cause.

This lady, for all the good that seemed to be coming together in her life, had problems w/ depression. There is at least one known suicide attempt. She lost a child, & as one who has lost a child myself, that shit Fucks You Up unless you're a sociopath or just phenomenally good at compartmentalising.

Mj may very well help some ppl w/ depression -- so do a lot of different antidepressants. But you said yourself Nina, drugs affect each person differently. That it benefits some ppl does not automatically mean it be benefitted SB, it could just as easily have had the opposite affect.

O.M.G...

OK, let's pretend weed is some PCP-like substance that makes you go crazy. Even if that were the case (which it isn't), that doesn't explain how/why she ~allegedly~ decided to kill herself and was able to do it so swiftly that no one noticed in time to stop her. And she was "found" hung THREE DAYS after being arrested; so, to make the weed be a factor here, she would have had to sneak in weed and a lighter and smoke it without anyone noticing to make that plausible. It is not plausible, unless jail staff were EXTREMELY NEGLIGENT, in which case her death would STILL be their fault.

Aniela
07-29-2015, 02:04 PM
O.M.G...

OK, let's pretend weed is some PCP-like substance that makes you go crazy. Even if that were the case (which it isn't), that doesn't explain how/why she ~allegedly~ decided to kill herself and was able to do it so swiftly that no one noticed in time to stop her. And she was "found" hung THREE DAYS after being arrested; so, to make the weed be a factor here, she would have had to sneak in weed and a lighter and smoke it without anyone noticing to make that plausible. It is not plausible, unless jail staff were EXTREMELY NEGLIGENT, in which case her death would STILL be their fault.

OK … you're still happily missing my point but ok. I am not saying mj caused her to kill herself. I said it could be a contributing factor, but I haven't said, anywhere, that mj caused her death. Nowhere have I suggested that she killed herself while lost in the throes of sm Godawful freaky pot trip gone wrong. Nothing of the sort. Don't know where you're getting that from, but if you want to keep on abt this point let's start a new thread on it.

Kellydancer
07-29-2015, 09:49 PM
I don't know if it was racism but was excessive. Many cops are racist. Many years ago my brothe was driving with his then girlfriend (now wife) and her best friend, both black and a cop pulled him over. The cop accused my brother of no good but my brother, sister in law and friend are good people. Turns out my dad knew the cop and he was livid. Second experience, when I was a child I had a neighbor who was a cop. He treated me well, buying presents and such and was a close friend to the family but he would tell my parents stories about beating up black guys for fun. A few years ago he did it again, only now as a railroad conductor and lost his job.

However the cop could just be an ass. I had a cop years ago try to beat me up. My crime was I hit my exbestfriend's boyfriend after he hit me.

Optimist
07-29-2015, 10:09 PM
Just ask any foreigner what they think of our situation with our police here in the US. Complete police brutality everywhere.

A good rule to know if you're being unprofessional, "if it feels good to say it you probably shouldn't." When she yelled at him for slamming her face and told him she suffered from epilepsy his response was: "GOOD! GOOD!"

He was way out of line. Just the fact that he dragged her as far as he could to get her out of sight of the dash cam says enough.

Cops forget they are public servants, we pay them and keep them employed. Their duty is to protect not harass and murder citizens. The badge is tarnished. Something major needs to happen. Police academies need to change or implement additional training to address this crisis and we need more transparency from our police departments.

As citizens we need to know our rights and not be afraid to exercise them. The police officer told a guy who was recording the incident to go away. He cannot tell someone to not record or to leave the area if they are not interfering with their work, and he was not. This is another factor in brutality, intimidating potential witnesses and trying to avoid/destroy evidence.

I keep a dash cam in my vehicle that I can turn around to face me and anyone at my window should I be pulled over. I also have bluetooth that allows everything being said in my vehicle to be recorded onto my phone. When I have been pulled over I politely inform the police officer my vehicle's bluetooth is recording and I cannot, will not turn it off. They've always been very professional and quick. Until there are major changes with our police force we need to be proactive in protecting ourselves from offers like the one Sandra Bland came across.

The first step is declaring hate groups like the KKK terrorist groups and outlawing, monitoring and infiltrating them. Seek rigorous prosecution of them at the same level as Al Qaeda and others are prosecuted. This would flush them out of law enforcement.

In 1871 Congress passed the Ku Klux Klan Act, which allowed the government to act against terrorist organizations. Then president Grant did not rigorously enforce these laws, although he did order the arrest of hundreds of Klan members. But with the overwhelming support of the Klan in the South, convictions proved difficult to obtain, and the financial panic of 1873 would distract the North from the problems of Southern racism. In 1882 the United States Supreme Court declared Ku Klux Klan Act unconstitutional.
^^^^^This is how we got here. This back and forth. If Al Qaeda can't act on their hatred then neither can domestic terrorists.

ScarletKitten
07-30-2015, 05:03 AM
But I wanted to say that she was probably already dead in her mug shot.

My SO saw the mug shot and concluded that she was alive when the mug shot was taken. She was in pain and obviously exhausted and distressed though. The discoloration around her eyes is from her crying, not from blood loss. But he did say that she is laying on the ground in that photo. You can tell from the gravity. Why would she be on the ground in that mugshot? Why is she already in an orange jumpsuit in that mugshot? So many questions here.

Anyway, there have been protests going on here in Texas and in Chicago over what happened to Sandra Bland: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32130-say-her-name-protesters-in-chicago-demand-justice-for-sandra-bland

eagle2
07-31-2015, 09:51 PM
A police officer in Ohio was recently charged with murder. He spend less than a day in jail before being released. Something is seriously wrong with the system.

423texas
07-31-2015, 10:19 PM
A police officer in Ohio was recently charged with murder. He spend less than a day in jail before being released. Something is seriously wrong with the system.

Tensing had a bail bond amount set at $1,000,000 and it was posted. That's why he got out, and many thought his bail amount was set high, since he had a clean record and community roots. Sandra Bland had a bail bond set at $5,000 and she was in jail for 3 days trying to raise it. It seems like she could not ( no idea why friends and family didn't step up ), and this well might have been one of the reasons she tragically committed suicide.

So, the "system" is not wrong, one bit. He was accused of the very serious felony of murder ( not 1st degree pre-meditated murder ),and had a high and traditional bond of $1,000,000 set ( even though he had a clean record, and was a first offender ). She was charged with assaulting an officer and $5,000 is a customary or low bond amount for an offense like that. In addition she had 2 Pot arrests and 2 DWI arrests in Illinois in the past year. Plus she was driving with a suspended license and no insurance. It hasn't been brought out whether Judge setting the bond knew of Sandra's record or not. Anyway, $5,000 does not seem a high bond amount.

Note that I am not saying that Bland was arrested for a valid reason. And sadly, this dubious arrest might have led to her suicide, though that is another subject. But I am pointing out that she was not treated wrong vis-a-vis the bond system. Same for Tensing. I am not saying he was right in any way, but he was treated fairly within the system as to his bond.

That Tensing was able to post a $1,000,000 bond in one day and Bland was not able to post a $500 bond in three days is another subject. As to the "system", it was fair.

eagle2
07-31-2015, 10:32 PM
Tensing's bail was set at $1 million but he was set free after his father posted $100,000. In addition, he was placed on suicide watch, and was checked on every 10 minutes by a police officer. What happened to Sandra Bland is inexcusable.

eagle2
07-31-2015, 10:36 PM
There is a serious problem in this country where poor people are spending long periods of time in jail without going to trial because they can't afford bail. There are some cases where the person spends more time in jail waiting for a trial, then the actual sentence would have been for the crime he was charged with.

423texas
07-31-2015, 10:52 PM
There is a serious problem in this country where poor people are spending long periods of time in jail without going to trial because they can't afford bail. There are some cases where the person spends more time in jail waiting for a trial, then the actual sentence would have been for the crime he was charged with.

This I agree with. It's part of the US mass incarceration situation that has existed for 30-35 years and is building to a crescendo. There are no easy solutions though. In Baltimore, incarcerations and arrests are way down since the Freddie Gray case, and black people are outraged by the crime and murders in their neighborhoods. So, you can't have the police "go on strike" in high crime areas and you can't have them over-policing either. It's going to be tough to find the right balance.

Nina_
08-01-2015, 08:52 AM
There is a serious problem in this country where poor people are spending long periods of time in jail without going to trial because they can't afford bail. There are some cases where the person spends more time in jail waiting for a trial, then the actual sentence would have been for the crime he was charged with.

Yes, a suburb right outside of Detroit had a lawsuit against them filed by the ACLU several years back because this particular suburb was doing exactly that, and jailing poor Detroiters passing through the suburb for their inability to pay their ticket within the judge's short time frame. There is a new lawsuit against them now for the same thing + racial profiling this time.

whirlerz
08-01-2015, 07:46 PM
Here's more dash cam footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiSwzr-gbxY

Also new jail vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqxYmtVb_QI

lokikola
08-04-2015, 06:04 PM
A police officer in Ohio was recently charged with murder. He spend less than a day in jail before being released. Something is seriously wrong with the system.

The system isn't broken this is how it was designed. There are so many factors and fucked up politics and decisions made in our country to keep ethnic minorities poor and suppressed. Did you know that in NYC real estate was purposefully divided ethnically? African Americans and others were barred from buying homes in specific neighborhoods. When you see a neighborhood that is pretty much all one race it is NOT a coincidence. It was done purposefully. Not making this shit up, look it up.

We have to stop being afraid of exercising our rights as citizens. I watched a news report that was supposed to be informational on what you can/can't do/refuse to do during a traffic stop. A lot of it went like this: "technically you don't have to do x, but you should just oblige and avoid problems." NO. NO. NO. Fear controls the masses.

eagle2
01-06-2016, 10:48 PM
The police officer who arrested Sandra Bland was fired and charged with perjury.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/perjury-charges-filed-against-trooper-who-arrested-sandra-bland_568d93f1e4b0cad15e634e8d

ScarletKitten
01-06-2016, 11:00 PM
I was just talking again about this case today. This upsets me so much. Everything here was just wrong. I truly believe she was murdered. She had no reason to kill herself, she had a new job to look forward to! I hope Sandra gets a better chance at life in her next life.

The cop who arrested her and the guards that threw her in the jail should all be imprisoned and left to die in a jail cell alone and in pain. Then they will feel what Sandra felt in her dying moments.

whirlerz
01-13-2016, 06:19 PM
Ok,if anyone's interested, there's an article in the latest Chicago Magazine, her family agreed to be interviewed..I started to read it, but my library's remodeling, & the dust was killing my allergies so I had to stop.

BambiCutie
01-13-2016, 07:04 PM
I believe the "system" is shattered and tangled in it's own bullshit and personally will never trust the Government, majority of Officers, FDA or Pharmaceuticals that advertise overenthusiastic people, furry letters, characters, while reading off worse side effects than what a pill is meant to treat. (In very rare circumstances, is justice met..agree to disagree.) Very much sounds like she was murdered and framed for committing suicide, something doesn't add up..

Zofia
01-13-2016, 08:52 PM
The American system of justice isn't all that bad. We have real checks and balances, not perfect ones but real ones. For the most part the system does a good job applying the law equally to all. It is true that if you can afford a good lawyer you will get the best breaks. That's true everywhere. The difference is, in America, we have more good lawyers on the side of the accused than working for the state and in general we pay them better.

I can't say for every state how the prison funding system works. But, in NC, we have almost no revenue from private sector prisons and we have a huge expense from running our corrections system. The state pays the counties some money to off set state prisoners held in county jails, but that is just moving money from one government account to another. I don't see any profit in it.

Z

423texas
01-13-2016, 09:30 PM
The difference is, in America, we have more good lawyers on the side of the accused than working for the state and in general we pay them better.
Z

This is true for people that can pay for lawyers, the private Attorneys are often ( not always ), better than the states Attorneys.

For people that cannot afford to pay Attorneys it is the other way around.

Vyanka
01-14-2016, 01:47 AM
The police officer who arrested Sandra Bland was fired and charged with perjury.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/perjury-charges-filed-against-trooper-who-arrested-sandra-bland_568d93f1e4b0cad15e634e8d

When I read this, it made my skin stand up. Ugh

whirlerz
01-14-2016, 04:30 PM
Here's the link: http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2016/Sandra-Bland/

ScarletKitten
01-14-2016, 05:26 PM
For the most part the system does a good job applying the law equally to all.

You're joking, right?

If Sandra Bland was white, do you really think that cop would have arrested her for the petty mistake of not using a turning signal? If she was white, do you really think she would have ended up dead in a cell?

Not to mention all the other black men and women who have been senselessly slaughtered by police over and over and over again. Why do you think the "Black Lives Matter" movement even happened????

I have no more words.

Zofia
01-14-2016, 08:21 PM
You're joking, right?

Nope. Completely serious. Last year the police in the U.S. shot and killed 965 people. All but 90 of them were armed. Evidence says I'm right. Never go with your emotions. Look at the evidence.


If Sandra Bland was white, do you really think that cop would have arrested her for the petty mistake of not using a turning signal?

I don't know about Texas, but where I come from, you can't be arrested for not using a turn signal. So, either the cop had a better reason, or he was a bad cop. Either way, it's not about race.


If she was white, do you really think she would have ended up dead in a cell?

Nobody knows yet why she was suicidal. I doubt race had anything to do with it.


Not to mention all the other black men and women who have been senselessly slaughtered by police over and over and over again. Why do you think the "Black Lives Matter" movement even happened????

I have no more words.

Words don't convince me, evidence does. See the statistic above. The WAPO did the reporting. Almost every police shooting they looked at was justified. "Black lives matter" is a hysterical over-reaction. It might be worse, but I refuse to believe that of my fellow Americans.

miss.a.p1600
01-14-2016, 09:31 PM
I don't think our judicial system is as bad as say Mexico where corruption and bribery is common or Middle Eastern countries where women have little rights but the US system far from "equal".

Drive around with a black person (specifically a black male) in a rich white white neighborhood and see how fast you get pulled over. Sandra Bland getting pulled over and arrested was classic racial profiling.

How fast do you think 911 responds to rich white neighborhoods vs. poor black neighborhoods?

Why are ghettos and prisons filled with majority black and Hispanics?

Pretty white blondes go missing and America gives them priority media coverage, high dollar rewards, and their killers are usually found. Minorities go missing or die and no one cares. They don't get half the media of whites.

The American system is better than many other countries but it's still flawed and nowhere near fair. There is corruption, coverups, info withheld from public, and a "good ol boys" clique that protects their own.

The black lives matter is hysterical over reaction for you because you have no clue what it's like to be black, oppressed, discriminated, even killed because of your skin color. Sandra bland got media coverage because of the black lives matter movement and the drastically large number of blacks who are unfairly targeted or unarmed and die at the hands of authority figures unnecessarily. We don't live in the 1800s when slavery was legal and blacks had no rights. We don't live in the 40s and 50s when segregation was accepted and blacks had limited rights so why is this occurring in a "fair" system? The black lives matter movement is bringing attention to a real problem and people who care coming together to say this is not okay.

I praise the skilled police officers and law enforcement who are fair and provide equal treatment. Their jobs are tough, they risk their lives, and the good ones deserve raises but try putting yourself in the shoes of a black person who all their lives they've had to deal with systematic injustice and oppression. It's to the point black people are even scared to call the police because they just might end up dead. And guess who will get off? many of these police officers are not being reprimanded for not following protocol when someone dies unnecessarily.

I'm not saying this is what happened here but You do realize evidence can be tampered with and people (even law enforcement in high ranking positions) can cover up crimes right? Especially when they have a lot to lose and a dead person can't speak up for themselves.