View Full Version : Streamate My Open Letter To Liz
Redcandy
08-27-2015, 06:46 PM
You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
^^ No WTF are you talking about? Petition? Demands? Girls getting together? Where is that happening at? Who is demanding or getting a petition together? You aren't the only one who is up on there Business. Sm and any other sites I may work on is A Business to me. And I treat it as such. If the customer support is not up to par and if models ask for a better model support so they can continue to bring there Business partners and themselves more revenue then they have the right to request for better support. You aren't doing anything a lot of us aren't doing for our Business. Your Ego is just as inflated as your Ass.
JaneBurgess
08-27-2015, 07:14 PM
I don't think it's laziness at all. A lot of performers only do cam shows. They aren't models or porn stars that have a base already coming into the cam world. You and I have both shot a lot of things and that helped us when we added camming to our baskets. I remember the Yahoo groups very well and so many of the sites we used for marketing back than arent around anymore.
SM won't give a pay raise and we all know it. If anything I heard it might go down to 30 percent. I dont know what they use the 65 percent for but it should have been to fix the glitches. They have been terrible for the last two to three years. Part of the 65 percent is for them to bring the performers QUALITY traffic. The traffic changed when they added Gold shows because they no longer bought that same type of traffic. I personally HATE dating traffic. Many guys feel lied to because they were told we were looking for dates or hook-ups. That's not honest marketing on their part. They should have never invested all the money into Gold shows and the tv channel if they also didnt have the funds to fix any glitches it may have caused.
I agree SM isnt the only cam site out there and they should try out other sites as well. You should always have another site to work on and many do indy sites now.
SM is kinda hostile because they do play favorites. What's the point of rules if the site refuses to enforce them for a select group of performers? The rules are supposed to be enforced and anyone that breaks them should be punished. Hell they fired two people over their social media postings and sent out messages about Cam Model stores. It's none of their business what we post on social media or if we choose to have a store. Our agreement only applies to when we are on their cam site.
I love your advice and it is wonderful advice. However you also have over twenty years of experience and some of these performers have only been in the game a short time. Marketing and making your name a brand is what keeps us around a long time. That takes time, money and skills. A lot of these ladies aren't interested in being a model or porn star, they like what they are doing now. Camming is a billion dollar industry and there is nothing wrong with these ladies wanting to be treated well and making a fair wage. Just like when talent wanted to open an adult type SAG to protect them from cheap rates and to keep them from being blackballed.
You know I love you girl but we came into this industry at a different time and it's changed for the worst in my opinion. These performers have to do what works for them and kudos to them if they ban together and ask for change.
Yes, I think most of you are lazy when it comes to marketing. I will take that extra 40/20 percent all day long. Have much experience in online marketing my solo site since spamming the yahoo groups back in 2003 to get traffic for it. Having your own traffic make a performer more of a power player.
You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
Sooooooooooooo many of you assume that SM gets 65% . Where do you think all that traffic comes from? What does it cost? What would they have to pay out to affiliates over other cam sites to keep that traffic coming? Hence why they pay us competitively to get our own traffic.
Petitions are playing the game from a position of weakness. There is not enough of you on SW or in general that will make a major impact upon them to change the current contract most performers now have. I never have stated that it could be done as a group.
There are plenty of cam sites out there now that pay out 50% & some even more. SM is NOT the only game in town. I don't just cam on SM, I don't put all my eggs in one basket. I've seen major cam sites go down & others rise. I found SM contract to be the most fair & didn't even bother negotiating it. I signed it with no problem at all.
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Better work conditions? Treatment? WTF are you talking about. SM is NOT a hostile work environment. They can NOT control what people say in free chat anymore than any cam site. All sites have beggars, all sites have mean trolls, we have the ability to kick or ban without any consequence what-so-ever with SM. We are independent contractors, we don't have to work on a schedule, it isn't slavery & we are forced to cam on SM. We have the ability to change our rates as it fits our mood or what we think we are worth.
Any of you have the ability to get your own billing, traffic & make 100% of the money. NONE of you have to do SM & make 35%. There are many performers on this site who do just that, I have dear friends not on SW who do it all themselves. In fact, I think more of you should to see how hard it is to do everything it takes involved to be a success. We have several ladies on this site who have written much advise & started sites to do this, why not give them a try?
Currently I have a solo site on Model Centro that converts at 365:1... Everyday for the past 12 years or so, done my own marketing, without affiliates, without help, without others telling how to do it. Figured it out all on my own.
If many of you have decided that my advise is crap, then don't follow it. Marketing & traffic makes you a power player in this industry. Oh wait, in the world... Cause those who have large social media followings who don't do porn get paid lots of money to tweet & post products in their timelines. If we, cam girls, porn stars, keep building & getting ours there, we will with in a few years be able to cash in that way too. Keep thinking small & just logging onto cam is all you can do. I dream much bigger. Camming is my show, my platform. I just don't log onto much money but to build my brand.
Keep acting like an employee.. Cam sites already chase me & offer me deals to come back to them, I worked hard to put myself in that position. Turn them down because they are crap & don't deserve my traffic & me camming on them. Been offered jobs to consult for them too, but not enough money in it for me. I will keep building my brand, my cam presence & know they will pay what I want when it comes to going behind the scenes.
Sam
Snowy0Star
08-27-2015, 07:14 PM
You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
^^ No WTF are you talking about? Petition? Demands? Girls getting together? Where is that happening at? Who is demanding or getting a petition together? You aren't the only one who is up on there Business. Sm and any other sites I may work on is A Business to me. And I treat it as such. If the customer support is not up to par and if models ask for a better model support so they can continue to bring there Business partners and themselves more revenue then they have the right to request for better support. You aren't doing anything a lot of us aren't doing for our Business. Your Ego is just as inflated as your Ass.
but her "inflated" ass makes her money and more then most of us make i bet
hyori
08-27-2015, 07:37 PM
On a side note, Chaturbate is an open source cam site that has hundreds of apps and bots written by members. Technically, that makes CB in constant "beta" state.
When I get kicked off CB, (which is actually quite rare), I usually get reconnected. The same happens on MFC...which looks like a site from the nineties. These sites pay 50% and they have tons of traffic. Why? What makes the private based sites like SM, so much more expensive to run? Has anyone crunched the numbers?
LJ has a horrible pay structure, in fact, I would be inclined to call them abusive misogynists yet, no one is screaming at them to change shit. Just some things to note.
Cutie101
08-27-2015, 07:41 PM
You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
^^ No WTF are you talking about? Petition? Demands? Girls getting together? Where is that happening at? Who is demanding or getting a petition together? You aren't the only one who is up on there Business. Sm and any other sites I may work on is A Business to me. And I treat it as such. If the customer support is not up to par and if models ask for a better model support so they can continue to bring there Business partners and themselves more revenue then they have the right to request for better support. You aren't doing anything a lot of us aren't doing for our Business. Your Ego is just as inflated as your Ass.
Her inflated ass makes the money in 1 year, that you make in 5.
Streamate is offering you the option to get 40% more and a regular 20% income from members who you are bringing. If you treat this as a business then you should know lots about promotion and about the way you make your customers clients.
Well, I didn't, or I did but I didn't treat it seriously. And I listened to her "inflated" ego when she was talking productive shit in here.
Btw with "inflated" ego you make money nowadays. Nobody likes easy girls. Cuz easy girls are cheap.
PS: if you had a store in a mall, would u wait for the customers just to come in and buy? or you would put banners/ do tv ads/ internet ads, etc and promote yourself to make people come to your store, interested straight in YOUR store and YOUR products? not mall's stores in general?
When you go to a specific store to buy soemthing ( a new one that you want to try) , you go because :
1: it got your attention while you were walking trough the mall and decided to see what's in there.Maybe u buy or maybe not, depends what's the product type you wish to find there.
2. You heard things about it and you want to try too.
3. You saw advertisements and it caught your curiosity.
Now take my mall example and transform the site in the mall and the store example in your chat room.
PS: Maybe Sam took the entire post as an agry attitude from girls to the site and reacted like that, because maybe we didn't express ourselves correctly. But she has good intentions when she says something, no matter the way she sounds. She is not a mean woman and she helped a lot of people in here. Helped for good.
Redcandy
08-27-2015, 07:43 PM
but her "inflated" ass makes her money and more then most of us make i bet I Bet it does as well . And that's Fantastic. When I've been in the game as long as she has I hope mines does as well.
hyori
08-27-2015, 07:47 PM
...getting out the organic popcorn.
Snowy0Star
08-27-2015, 07:52 PM
...getting out the organic popcorn.
With love from me and David Tennant
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gingerstripper
08-27-2015, 07:55 PM
oh boy
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-27-2015, 08:02 PM
but her "inflated" ass makes her money and more then most of us make i bet
Not sure why i quoted this one? Maybe it was because my initial thought was pfft speak for yourself. I don't know lol
On a side note, Chaturbate is an open source cam site that has hundreds of apps and bots written by members. Technically, that makes CB in constant "beta" state.
When I get kicked off CB, (which is actually quite rare), I usually get reconnected. The same happens on MFC...which looks like a site from the nineties. These sites pay 50% and they have tons of traffic. Why? What makes the private based sites like SM, so much more expensive to run? Has anyone crunched the numbers?
LJ has a horrible pay structure, in fact, I would be inclined to call them abusive misogynists yet, no one is screaming at them to change shit. Just some things to note.
Good Point. Im getting more mobile customers on MFC than Ive had on SM in months. No other site do I see the constant in and out. And on the surface they appear to be less advanced.
Also I was looking forward to seeing this thread turn into something supportive and positive. I know many of you were getting sick of the all the less than positive post in the Streamate thread. So why not let this one be? I didn't post before because I was getting kinda sick of raging. But now its like some people just show up to fuck it up and chase people away. What's so wrong with people talking?
KatyBoleyn
08-27-2015, 08:39 PM
There's still a lot of misconception about how traffic and money on SM works. I realize there are a lot more intricacies, but here is the basic idea:
You put your ass on cam. Your interest is for the traffic in the room to spend money on you. SM places you based NOT on your earnings, but how well you convert traffic and how much interest the traffic takes in you. Its almost the same thing as your earnings, and there is a correlation/causation, but there are slight and fundamental differences in logic at play. This is determined by a formula that is constantly tweaked by people that may or may not be mathematically qualified, but they get it mostly right most of the time so who cares. They're also kind enough to very transparently spell most of this out, whether models choose to believe it or not.
Through any number of means, affiliates push traffic to the site. Their interest is for that customer to part with their credit card details...AND spend money. The affiliate doesn't make money if you don't. SM doesn't make money OR spend money on the traffic if neither the model or affiliate make money.
When a customer spends money, cuts are generally as follows:
35% to model/studio
35% + signup bonus to the affiliate
28-30% to SM. From that comes all accounting, tech support, customer service, umpteen girlfriends/relatives of people drawing salaries for no reason, swallowed chargebacks, fraud investigation, occasional large market ad buys (TV commercials), databanks and hardware, affiliate program managers, credit card processing, taxes, handful of competent people that keep the gears turning - all of this is standard corporate overhead you can find in any large company. Sometimes they even make a profit.
Bottom line is they AREN'T making an incredible profit off you - just one barely big enough to keep investors interested. The affiliates need enough to keep interested and not drive that traffic to other sites (a challenge with the difficult conversions), and the high percentage is the secret to SM's success so far. CB and MFC pay higher percentage to models, but their ratio of spenders is abysmal, as is the ratio of models that actually make consistent money on those sites - you have to be hyper competitive to make them work well for you (like doing your own social networking...you know, marketing yourself).
Here's the kicker that Sam keeps alluding to...SM pays models BETTER than their affiliates to drive the traffic if the models are willing to do so. You really can't beat that. Traffic driving is no joke, hubby and I try it once in a while and get beaten back each time. SM needs to keep affiliates getting a big piece of the pie in order to bring that traffic. Bringing bad traffic wastes an affiliate's time and energy as much as yours dealing with them, and SM doesn't (and shouldn't) care either way because they're not spending on it - you are, BUT, only when you make money.
Another dirty secret about who gets away with what we figured out. SM itself doesn't police their rooms that well as the workload would be incredible. They actually count on jealous models, miffed customers, and rival studio staff with too much time on their hands to send the reports. In this, nobody is immune to warnings or suspensions, no matter how much money they're raking in (and we have several personal examples of models hitting #1 to be suddenly nailed with a suspension for something - really deserved or not). Being a top model makes you even more of a target if anything.
Snowy0Star
08-27-2015, 08:57 PM
You put your ass on cam. Your interest is for the traffic in the room to spend money on you. SM places you based NOT on your earnings, but how well you convert traffic and how much interest the traffic takes in you. Its almost the same thing as your earnings, and there is a correlation/causation, but there are slight and fundamental differences in logic at play. This is determined by a formula that is constantly tweaked by people that may or may not be mathematically qualified, but they get it mostly right most of the time so who cares. They're also kind enough to very transparently spell most of this out, whether models choose to believe it or not.
How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
pippapippa
08-27-2015, 09:23 PM
How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
I'm pretty sure high paid percentage is also a massive factor in placement.
Sunnylexie
08-27-2015, 09:40 PM
IMO the placement is rather calculated based on the total amount and not the part of it that goes to the model's pocket.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-27-2015, 09:46 PM
How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
Niteflirt placement is based heavily on new conversions. New Customers. Customer retention has very little baring. It sucks but thats how it worksm there. Not sure if SM is exactly like this. My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
audritwo
08-27-2015, 09:53 PM
Niteflirt placement is based heavily on new conversions. New Customers. Customer retention has very little baring. It sucks but thats how it worksm there. Not sure if SM is exactly like this. My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
Liz explained this to me before when I was a baby camgirl and I asked if they could explain how placement works because I didn't understand it.
hyori
08-27-2015, 09:58 PM
^^ Because, we can't keep them all to ourselves. Thanks Katy for spelling out the backend. I still think they could do without the catered lunches.
KatyBoleyn
08-27-2015, 11:57 PM
Niteflirt placement is based heavily on new conversions. New Customers. Customer retention has very little baring. It sucks but thats how it worksm there. Not sure if SM is exactly like this. My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
Before I was a baller studio owner I was a camgirl too...actually I still do shows a few times a week for customers that can't seem to let go (and I don't mind). A lot of this I figured out before. Also, when you get into different parts of the business you start seeing things from a different angle and it does change your perspective. Each piece is part of a bigger picture. As for sharing information, its hard to have a useful or meaningful dialogue if the parties involved are missing key information, just as "low information voters" are the bane of democracy and lack of nuance is the rise of tyranny and all that. To get that nuance you need at least a few opinions, and informed opinions are better yet. All I (and several others) have said above can be pieced together from public sources and even directly told to models/affiliates.
Also believe if we had secrets that exclusively gave our models a competitive edge, it's not going on the forum.
How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
Exactly what they ask for when they tell you how to get better placement. Good camera with a clear feed (translated as HD at the level they want with audio), excellent rating for your shows, consistent schedule (visitors lurk and come back a few times before parting with their cc numbers), good internet, room count average, etc.
Percent in paid and earnings are lesser factors, as both could easily be gamed (or undermined) by how models do shows and how much they charge. For example, having 1 or 2 customers sit in your $1/5 hour sleeping show would put you at 100% in paid. Likewise, a model that charges only 1.99/minute would never make it past second page if earnings were a major factor.
DeepThoughts
08-28-2015, 12:03 AM
My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
But why not explain it to us. I kind of shake my head because we all KNOW we make 35% and when we sign up we KNOW we can also use our own affiliate link (I use mine all the time) and we know that is going to bring us 35%. So it pretty much common knowledge that the site pays out 70% of what the client spends right off the top. If you have any knowledge of how a business runs or any concept of overhead then you know that the remaining 30% is not going to be profit!
And why not catered lunches? That is an employee incentive and a good business model because it promotes a good work environment and that draws good people to work for you. Its not like they are claiming that they buy their staff new Maserati(s??) every year.
What the hell is the plural of Maserati?? Its an Italian name and in Italy you end a word with an "I" to pluralize it so do I do nothing or still add the "S" for English. Now this thread is just making me angry **kicks bucket and leaves!**
audritwo
08-28-2015, 12:41 AM
I was just joking, I don't care. I treat my husband and I to dinner twice a week as a reward.
Kitcatt
08-28-2015, 02:07 AM
Well... this became an ugly shit show of cam girl jealousy and hurt feelings in a hurry....
I don't think it's laziness at all. A lot of performers only do cam shows. They aren't models or porn stars that have a base already coming into the cam world. You and I have both shot a lot of things and that helped us when we added camming to our baskets. I remember the Yahoo groups very well and so many of the sites we used for marketing back than arent around anymore.
SM won't give a pay raise and we all know it. If anything I heard it might go down to 30 percent. I dont know what they use the 65 percent for but it should have been to fix the glitches. They have been terrible for the last two to three years. Part of the 65 percent is for them to bring the performers QUALITY traffic. The traffic changed when they added Gold shows because they no longer bought that same type of traffic. I personally HATE dating traffic. Many guys feel lied to because they were told we were looking for dates or hook-ups. That's not honest marketing on their part. They should have never invested all the money into Gold shows and the tv channel if they also didnt have the funds to fix any glitches it may have caused.
I agree SM isnt the only cam site out there and they should try out other sites as well. You should always have another site to work on and many do indy sites now.
SM is kinda hostile because they do play favorites. What's the point of rules if the site refuses to enforce them for a select group of performers? The rules are supposed to be enforced and anyone that breaks them should be punished. Hell they fired two people over their social media postings and sent out messages about Cam Model stores. It's none of their business what we post on social media or if we choose to have a store. Our agreement only applies to when we are on their cam site.
I love your advice and it is wonderful advice. However you also have over twenty years of experience and some of these performers have only been in the game a short time. Marketing and making your name a brand is what keeps us around a long time. That takes time, money and skills. A lot of these ladies aren't interested in being a model or porn star, they like what they are doing now. Camming is a billion dollar industry and there is nothing wrong with these ladies wanting to be treated well and making a fair wage. Just like when talent wanted to open an adult type SAG to protect them from cheap rates and to keep them from being blackballed.
You know I love you girl but we came into this industry at a different time and it's changed for the worst in my opinion. These performers have to do what works for them and kudos to them if they ban together and ask for change.
I agree with the whole post but i highlighted in red the most important things. May i say i have no clue how to market myself lol? Plus i dont want to, if i wanted i would do it somehow but i dont. I just want to cam, i dont care about anything else like making my name a brand, i will stay in the business a little more & then leave & i dont want traces of my cam activity on the internet cause i have other plans for my future, i wanna write a book, i wanna have a business (either in cam industry behind the scene or to open a small shop or something else), i want this cam period to be just a chapter of my life and not a life time career.
I think many girls are like me, they work cam while studying and preparing themselves for other careers, they not interested in more than that from cam industry.
Giving people advice in anger & blaming them of being lazy cause they dont want to market is not helping, seriously.
I always 'listen' how advice is given to me, if it's given because the person cares about me & wants to help then i consider it & am thankful to receive it, if it's given because the person wants to shut me off, is angry cause i complain too much or if advice giver shows arrogance, then i dont take it LOL, i want to feel YOU (the advice giver whomever u are) care about my well being & that u truly want to help, if i dont feel this then all advice passes around me :)
kortneykay
08-28-2015, 11:43 AM
Well, I'm sure we can all agree that if we put in the time, work ethic, and marketing (or not) we can make the system work for us. I've noticed that even though I spend less time on cam (I put 10.98 hours in for the month of August, lol) I found myself #1 or on the first few in each of my categories, in the middle of the 1st page (started from the bottom now we're here!) from being on the bottom rows and even page 2. My prices started at $5.99/7.99 and have permanently been $8.99/7.99 for over a year now. I only have slightly under 2,000 favs. That's it! I noticed a while back that when I looked up my name on twitter I saw a lot of affiliates promoting me so they probably do check for models who aren't afraid to convert at higher rates. Who knows?
Someone has mentioned average users/times in your room, prices, etc. The most guys I've ever had in my room was 12-15 at any given moment which isn't much at all O.o My point is, you can rise to the top, just find out how. I'm coming for that #1 spot aka the 1st 1-2 rows in the next 1-2 years. If you're not into heavy marketing you can still share your CM link with guys who chat you up and bug you on skype. At the end of the day ladies and gents, it's still a sales job. And if you're guaranteed 20% extra why not go for it? Below is a photo from THIS week and I'm not showing it to brag. Yes, I've been very lazy/busy to the point I didn't even log in until this morning but I'm still making SM work for me by using my CM link. Try it! Can't you use an extra $50+ on your check?
http://i61.tinypic.com/334hwr4.jpg
You are presented with several opportunities to make this job work for you. If anything, make sure your appearance is on point. Men are extremely visual (women too) and if his dick is hard and he's starring at you you need to make the most of it and sell the hell out of yourself. I'm a big bitch, with a big ass, and a big appetite for men with deep pockets. A fat girl charging 8.99 with a BIG ASS? Fucks YAS! And they pay it too. I think that's one reason I can get away with low hours and high pay because I'm not afraid to charge what I want but at the same time I make sure I bring the physical attraction. "Wow, that girl is fat, but she's HOT! I have to take her private." Make your product (you) work for YOU!
oCURIOUSo
08-28-2015, 01:07 PM
I actually DID LEAVE SM a few months back because i got tired of low traffic and all the glitches. Whats the point in staying when ppl cant stay connected in my room half the time and when they do they're just cheap ass holes or they wont even talk to you and leave when you try ? as karina and a few other ppl have posted theres other sites with more POLITE traffic and PAY MORE ie CB/MFC . I'm making in 4 hours on CB what it took me 9 hours to make on SM .
The final straw that made me leave was being banned for a week for running video game hangout gold shows . I've seen top models do hang out shows and they dont get banned for a week for it. But because i wasnt plowing all my holes for a buck (and not popular enuf to get away with it i guess) guys complained because they dont read the show title get disappointed and leave and somehow thats my fault and i deserved to be banned for a week for it ? HELL NO. I emailed them back told them to close my account dont even worry about unbanning me Im done and that was that.
It also kinda ties into something else that bugs me and a lot of other ppl. YOU PLAY FAVORITES . What you can get away with is based on how popular you are and how much money your making witch isn't far. It sends mixed signals to us and we dont know what we can and cant do really. Other models get away with shit that would be BANIBLE if they weren't bringing in probably thousands a day for the company . There are some models who base their hole camming persona and hustle around it (daughter/ dad is a good example )
You make a good point about playing favorites. I, obviously, am not THE most popular or THE highest earning model on the site, but I am pretty popular. But even I got suspended for doing a $0 hang out show that was clearly described as such, and every person that tipped had the option of getting a free video in case they didn't read the topic. From my perspective that was a more than fair deal. And yet, suspended. However you can go into half the rooms on the front page, regardless of what row they're on and see people not only drinking on cam, but selling shots, or showing below the belt nudity (not a "woops, I moved and you saw pussy for .5 seconds!" But "here's 2 dildos I can fit in my pussy at once!") Or outright telling their rooms "don't tip me here, go pay in my cam model store and I'll do the gold show".
There are popular models and then there are favorites and being popular alone gets you exactly zero special treatment. You do however get a LOT more girls watching your room, some to figure out why you're popular and some because they're just waiting for you to slip up so they can report you.
IvyAdams
08-28-2015, 01:14 PM
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You do however get a LOT more girls watching your room, some to figure out why you're popular and some because they're just waiting for you to slip up so they can report you.
oCURIOUSo
08-28-2015, 01:28 PM
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Lol. To be quite honest, I have no idea why I'm popular with customers. I am just as confused about it as every one of you watching me scratching your heads, like "I'm over here looking like Beyonce and Jayne is just hanging out in some sweat pants talking about antibiotics causing yeast infections and she's the one on the top row?! Wtf!"
anonymous camgirl
08-28-2015, 01:41 PM
hmmmm is that why I had the BEST year ever when all those trolls were trolling me and they sent me to the top of the page in a hurry? ..hmmm well that explains it then. ... cuz before they came along I was somewhere on page 2 for days on end..lol
There's still a lot of misconception about how traffic and money on SM works. I realize there are a lot more intricacies, but here is the basic idea:
You put your ass on cam. Your interest is for the traffic in the room to spend money on you. SM places you based NOT on your earnings, but how well you convert traffic and how much interest the traffic takes in you. Its almost the same thing as your earnings, and there is a correlation/causation, but there are slight and fundamental differences in logic at play. This is determined by a formula that is constantly tweaked by people that may or may not be mathematically qualified, but they get it mostly right most of the time so who cares. They're also kind enough to very transparently spell most of this out, whether models choose to believe it or not.
Through any number of means, affiliates push traffic to the site. Their interest is for that customer to part with their credit card details...AND spend money. The affiliate doesn't make money if you don't. SM doesn't make money OR spend money on the traffic if neither the model or affiliate make money.
When a customer spends money, cuts are generally as follows:
35% to model/studio
35% + signup bonus to the affiliate
28-30% to SM. From that comes all accounting, tech support, customer service, umpteen girlfriends/relatives of people drawing salaries for no reason, swallowed chargebacks, fraud investigation, occasional large market ad buys (TV commercials), databanks and hardware, affiliate program managers, credit card processing, taxes, handful of competent people that keep the gears turning - all of this is standard corporate overhead you can find in any large company. Sometimes they even make a profit.
Bottom line is they AREN'T making an incredible profit off you - just one barely big enough to keep investors interested. The affiliates need enough to keep interested and not drive that traffic to other sites (a challenge with the difficult conversions), and the high percentage is the secret to SM's success so far. CB and MFC pay higher percentage to models, but their ratio of spenders is abysmal, as is the ratio of models that actually make consistent money on those sites - you have to be hyper competitive to make them work well for you (like doing your own social networking...you know, marketing yourself).
Here's the kicker that Sam keeps alluding to...SM pays models BETTER than their affiliates to drive the traffic if the models are willing to do so. You really can't beat that. Traffic driving is no joke, hubby and I try it once in a while and get beaten back each time. SM needs to keep affiliates getting a big piece of the pie in order to bring that traffic. Bringing bad traffic wastes an affiliate's time and energy as much as yours dealing with them, and SM doesn't (and shouldn't) care either way because they're not spending on it - you are, BUT, only when you make money.
Another dirty secret about who gets away with what we figured out. SM itself doesn't police their rooms that well as the workload would be incredible. They actually count on jealous models, miffed customers, and rival studio staff with too much time on their hands to send the reports. In this, nobody is immune to warnings or suspensions, no matter how much money they're raking in (and we have several personal examples of models hitting #1 to be suddenly nailed with a suspension for something - really deserved or not). Being a top model makes you even more of a target if anything.
audritwo
08-28-2015, 02:12 PM
Lol. To be quite honest, I have no idea why I'm popular with customers. I am just as confused about it as every one of you watching me scratching your heads, like "I'm over here looking like Beyonce and Jayne is just hanging out in some sweat pants talking about antibiotics causing yeast infections and she's the one on the top row?! Wtf!"
Yeah it boggles my head too. I just sit there and vape and be extremely sarcastic and an asshole.
JaneBurgess
08-28-2015, 04:58 PM
Liar. LOL I heard about your epic $1500 Gold shows. I always think of you as a top performer on there and I know you work hard at it.
People like you because you have a great personality and you're super funny. Your Twitter alone cracks me up sometimes.
You make a good point about playing favorites. I, obviously, am not THE most popular or THE highest earning model on the site, but I am pretty popular. But even I got suspended for doing a $0 hang out show that was clearly described as such, and every person that tipped had the option of getting a free video in case they didn't read the topic. From my perspective that was a more than fair deal. And yet, suspended. However you can go into half the rooms on the front page, regardless of what row they're on and see people not only drinking on cam, but selling shots, or showing below the belt nudity (not a "woops, I moved and you saw pussy for .5 seconds!" But "here's 2 dildos I can fit in my pussy at once!") Or outright telling their rooms "don't tip me here, go pay in my cam model store and I'll do the gold show".
There are popular models and then there are favorites and being popular alone gets you exactly zero special treatment. You do however get a LOT more girls watching your room, some to figure out why you're popular and some because they're just waiting for you to slip up so they can report you.
oCURIOUSo
08-28-2015, 05:57 PM
Liar. LOL I heard about your epic $1500 Gold shows. I always think of you as a top performer on there and I know you work hard at it.
People like you because you have a great personality and you're super funny. Your Twitter alone cracks me up sometimes.
That's kind of a double edged sword though. My guest chat is fun, and I rarely push people to tip or take me private. A gentle reminder here and there is about it. But because I try to keep it fun and light hearted most of the time, they forget this is my job. I'd always rather be upstairs hanging out with my family than down here by my self. Not that I don't love my job, I do, but when I have to work from noon to midnight because that's when the traffic is there I don't see my kids at all. They get home at 3 and go to bed at 8, all the while I have to be down here being friendly.
And I've tried being more aggressive, pushing more and demanding they take me to paid chat, but at the end of the day, that's just not who I am, and I'm a bad actress. No one buys it.(That's why I hate SPH. I'm not mean, I wanna pump you up and make you feel awesome and special because you have a tiny cock. I can't call you names. WTF lol)
oCURIOUSo
08-28-2015, 06:00 PM
And there's a difference between being A top performer and THE top performer.
JaneBurgess
08-28-2015, 07:06 PM
I understand 100 percent. Im not good at being aggressive for tipping or getting shows either. I have to be really annoyed to actually tell them to pay up and by then I dont want to do anything because Im mad. I'm working on being more firm but in a polite kind of way so I dont piss anyone off.
I'm actually good at SPH. I take all the annoyance of beggars out on the poor fetish guys that want to be humiliated. I fell super bad afterward but they want it and enjoy it.
That's kind of a double edged sword though. My guest chat is fun, and I rarely push people to tip or take me private. A gentle reminder here and there is about it. But because I try to keep it fun and light hearted most of the time, they forget this is my job. I'd always rather be upstairs hanging out with my family than down here by my self. Not that I don't love my job, I do, but when I have to work from noon to midnight because that's when the traffic is there I don't see my kids at all. They get home at 3 and go to bed at 8, all the while I have to be down here being friendly.
And I've tried being more aggressive, pushing more and demanding they take me to paid chat, but at the end of the day, that's just not who I am, and I'm a bad actress. No one buys it.(That's why I hate SPH. I'm not mean, I wanna pump you up and make you feel awesome and special because you have a tiny cock. I can't call you names. WTF lol)
Kitcatt
08-29-2015, 02:12 AM
I am going to gently suggest that there's a reason that people don't move off sm and move other places...because even with the shit show of a meltdown we all experienced it is still the best and most reliable box site on the web that's not a tipping site. Sorry all, I LOVE SM. I'm not getting fucked out of $75+ a pay period per week in charge backs, I'm not getting excessive warnings about bullshit from them about things like being off camera.
I'm old as shit and I make a hefty paycheck for how intensely unsexy I am in free chat, and sure the 35% sucks, but coming from a site that advertised 45% then paid there models 29% and fucked them every opportunity they had....yeah... we can all bitch and moan that shit sucks or we can try finding another site...if you think it sucks then GO....open your own cam model store, head to mfc or chatterbate or the myriad of other sites out there and lay down your dong.
How many of us have cut back our hours because it's harder, how many of us are taking more days off a week then we should? I'm going to guess a fuck ton of us. Sure, my bottom line isn't where it was a year ago, but I had so many nights of "fuck it, it looks slow" that made that happen. It might be slower but you should have BUILT YOUR REGULARS, that's how this works. You rely on the guys who love you to help you through. And Yes Sam, FUCKING YES, you should be advertising your link. I had nearly $200 this week in bonus cash and all I do is fucking post my link on twitter before I log in. I do zero video deals, I am no where else. I'm not an ex porn star, I don't have a fan base. I'm a 41 year old who just spent nearly an hour talking about Ferris Bullers Day Off in my free chat room.
If you don't like sm, you don't HAVE to be on sm. There are other sites you can go to and maybe you can drag your regulars there. I guarantee some of you will do much better with this option, you have a big fan base and they love you and want to give you money. OR do other things on the side to supplement your income. There are too many petitions going around saying sm sucks. It really doesn't. If you don't believe me, go to other box sites and then check back with me in 6 months.
Some of you will do better than you ever have in your career, and some of you will see that SM is your place to be.
IvyAdams
08-29-2015, 03:17 AM
^^^^ Agreed.
steffy40
08-29-2015, 06:57 AM
I don't have anything to add to the open letter. I'm not sure if this should be posted in this thread or a new one but, what is a hang out show? I think I have been doing hang out shows for as long as gold shows became available but this is why I am asking for clarification. The only other thing I wanted to add is not all models who report other models are doing it out of jealously. I take offense to this only because I see a model in this thread who always seems to have something harsh to say when models have an opposing view of her own. Now I see a couple more in this. Streamate tells us as new models to watch other models and learn what works, what doesn't and incorporate that into our own hustle. This is said to us right after we sign an acknowledgement of site rules and a model behavior agreement. There is a difference between trying to maintain a level playing field where we are all held to the same standard and being jealous. Many of us like the standard Streamate sets. If a model is reporting another model, I see it more like a neighborhood watch, I mean who wants to see a home with tall weeds and a broken down truck in the front yard when we all know it devalues the rest of the neighborhood? To me jealousy from another model is when a model enters a chat room anonymously and starts typing words that are antagonistic. I'm pretty sure guys who surf the site with one hand on their dick, trying to get a nut off will not be typing such crap. Those are the guys who go in and out of the chat room before you can greet them. They could care less about typing. I'm positive that 100% of the trolls I've had in my chat are other models and not jonny perv looking for free pussy, and that's usually found in the top two rows or somewhere in between Columbia and page 12.
The reason Chaterbate and MFC has more traffic is because there are a higher number of surfers looking for free shows which are readily available. It doesn't mean those sites are better. I happen to like the trade in of lower traffic but higher quality traffic.
I guess I do have something to add to this thread.
IvyAdams
08-29-2015, 07:21 AM
I don't have anything to add to the open letter. I'm not sure if this should be posted in this thread or a new one but, what is a hang out show? I think I have been doing hang out shows for as long as gold shows became available but this is why I am asking for clarification. The only other thing I wanted to add is not all models who report other models are doing it out of jealously. I take offense to this only because I see a model in this thread who always seems to have something harsh to say when models have an opposing view of her own. Now I see a couple more in this. Streamate tells us as new models to watch other models and learn what works, what doesn't and incorporate that into our own hustle. This is said to us right after we sign an acknowledgement of site rules and a model behavior agreement. There is a difference between trying to maintain a level playing field where we are all held to the same standard and being jealous. Many of us like the standard Streamate sets. If a model is reporting another model, I see it more like a neighborhood watch, I mean who wants to see a home with tall weeds and a broken down truck in the front yard when we all know it devalues the rest of the neighborhood? To me jealousy from another model is when a model enters a chat room anonymously and starts typing words that are antagonistic. I'm pretty sure guys who surf the site with one hand on their dick, trying to get a nut off will not be typing such crap. Those are the guys who go in and out of the chat room before you can greet them. They could care less about typing. I'm positive that 100% of the trolls I've had in my chat are other models and not jonny perv looking for free pussy, and that's usually found in the top two rows or somewhere in between Columbia and page 12.
The reason Chaterbate and MFC has more traffic is because there are a higher number of surfers looking for free shows which are readily available. It doesn't mean those sites are better. I happen to like the trade in of lower traffic but higher quality traffic.
I guess I do have something to add to this thread.
I think you make some super valid points. I agree that there is nothing wrong with watching other models to see what works on the site etc. Hell, when I first started camming I tipped into every gold show possible, hung out in models rooms all the time just to get the feel of the site and what hustles seemed to work for some models over the other types of hustles. I personally don't generally watch other models anymore because for me, it takes away from time I could be on cam myself. Sometimes I will go into models rooms and tip bomb and join a gold show or two- uplifting and supporting the community which we are all a part of is an important aspect of the camming world in my mind. I LOVE it when other models come and hang out in my room.
I love that you used "neighborhood watch" haha! What a great analogy. I would agree with your statement of saying that in some cases modes breaking the rules devalues the site as a whole. Like you said, we all sign an acknowledgement in our contracts and since we are all adults should all be held accountable for our actions. I'm not one to report other models if I see them breaking the rules because in my mind, they are the ones taking the risk- it's part of their hustle. If they get caught, they are the ones to suffer the repercussions, and if they don't get caught- then more power to them. It's a risk- but sometimes the risks pay off. Does that mean that I disagree with the models being reported? Not by any means, in fact I think that some behavior SHOULD be brought to the attention of Streamate. That being said, as a model who doesn't break the rules, I have been a personal victim of models reporting me for things that I wasn't even doing... and when things like that happen, I feel as though that would definitely be considered jealousy and trolling. Both times I had the suspension lifted because they couldn't prove what they said I did (since it never happened) however- I feel like models who focus on other models and getting them in trouble instead of worrying about their own hustle and running their own room can end up devaluing the site as much as the models who may break a rule or two to make some extra money. As with everything, there's a line. If someone is drinking a glass of wine on cam- I'm not worried about it, even though TECHNICALLY it's breaking the agreement we signed. The more extreme things that happen are what should be monitored more closely by Streamate itself, not necessarily other models.
aaaaannnnnd......I'm glad you had something to add to the thread. :)
steffy40
08-29-2015, 08:47 AM
I think you make some super valid points. I agree that there is nothing wrong with watching other models to see what works on the site etc. Hell, when I first started camming I tipped into every gold show possible, hung out in models rooms all the time just to get the feel of the site and what hustles seemed to work for some models over the other types of hustles. I personally don't generally watch other models anymore because for me, it takes away from time I could be on cam myself. Sometimes I will go into models rooms and tip bomb and join a gold show or two- uplifting and supporting the community which we are all a part of is an important aspect of the camming world in my mind. I LOVE it when other models come and hang out in my room.
I love that you used "neighborhood watch" haha! What a great analogy. I would agree with your statement of saying that in some cases modes breaking the rules devalues the site as a whole. Like you said, we all sign an acknowledgement in our contracts and since we are all adults should all be held accountable for our actions. I'm not one to report other models if I see them breaking the rules because in my mind, they are the ones taking the risk- it's part of their hustle. If they get caught, they are the ones to suffer the repercussions, and if they don't get caught- then more power to them. It's a risk- but sometimes the risks pay off. Does that mean that I disagree with the models being reported? Not by any means, in fact I think that some behavior SHOULD be brought to the attention of Streamate. That being said, as a model who doesn't break the rules, I have been a personal victim of models reporting me for things that I wasn't even doing... and when things like that happen, I feel as though that would definitely be considered jealousy and trolling. Both times I had the suspension lifted because they couldn't prove what they said I did (since it never happened) however- I feel like models who focus on other models and getting them in trouble instead of worrying about their own hustle and running their own room can end up devaluing the site as much as the models who may break a rule or two to make some extra money. As with everything, there's a line. If someone is drinking a glass of wine on cam- I'm not worried about it, even though TECHNICALLY it's breaking the agreement we signed. The more extreme things that happen are what should be monitored more closely by Streamate itself, not necessarily other models.
aaaaannnnnd......I'm glad you had something to add to the thread. :)
I used to tip a lot more than I do now. I used to make a habit of tipping the girls on the lower part of page 2 and onward just because it was unexpected and offered them a little incentive to keep going. I would introduce myself after tipping. I stopped because it seemed like I started getting trolled heavy after the introduction. They may not be related but I felt shafted. Being on cam is stressful enough without inviting trouble in. I have only ever reported two models and it was when I was new. I was watching top models because the site advises it. One model I was shocked to see pissing in her bed and then selling the panties. I quickly learned the owners of the site are aware of it and allow it. The other one was also a top model who is absolutely beautiful and like a barbie doll showing pussy which I also know the site is aware and allows her to do it. It's not that I've become complacent to see rules enforced for one model but not another but more appreciating the privilege of being on it and not wanting to invite trouble. I do wonder why those girls wont move to a site that allows XXX in free chat but it's not enough to pursue an answer.
I don't drink but never knew it was illegal on cam. Why is it illegal? Also still want to know what a hang out show is.
Thank you.
RaeRae
08-29-2015, 08:51 AM
It's not that it's illegal to to drink on cam, but it is against the rules on SM.
Ehhh nobody really knows what is in that bottle/ can or glass, right? I saw girls drinking beer from beer bottles or cans, drinking liquids that looked like water, wine or a cocktail, what is actually not allowed, saying it out loud u drink alcohol or selling shots or looking/ acting drunk? Cause for example i drink water always with a straw from a glass or small bottle... should i worry i could get in trouble lol?! When u breaking the rules regarding drinking?!
JessRyan
08-29-2015, 09:38 AM
It's not that it's illegal to to drink on cam, but it is against the rules on SM.
I drink on cam, I don't get drunk on cam. The code of conduct/rules say clearly you can't be under the influence. NOT that you can't drink. If they didn't want you to drink at all, I'm sure it would state that in bold letters, "NO drinking alcohol on cam" Haven't we already gone over this? LOL They just don't want drunk girls camming. Nothing is more unattractive than a drunk woman. ewwww
Snowy0Star
08-29-2015, 10:31 AM
I drink on cam, I don't get drunk on cam. The code of conduct/rules say clearly you can't be under the influence. NOT that you can't drink. If they didn't want you to drink at all, I'm sure it would state that in bold letters, "NO drinking alcohol on cam" Haven't we already gone over this? LOL They just don't want drunk girls camming. Nothing is more unattractive than a drunk woman. ewwww
There is a top model who I LOVE that used to or still does these things called tipsy tuesday ive never seen her during them but i can only assume she gets drunk. Shes fucking HILARIOUS in free chat sober so i can only assume its 10 fold when shes drunk. I remember one day watching her and she was talking to her room about her tipsy tuesday show later that week saying she passed out on cam during it because she drank so much. Some ppl react differently when theyre drunk . Some people it loosens them up enuf to actually cam at all (witch is another story) Some ppl like being buzzed because it makes camming funner . Others are just straight up belligerent and and am embarrassment to themselves when they cam drunk witch is the kind of drunk that kinda makes a bad rep for cam girls. I act like a 16 year old bratty high schooler with a valley girl accent (my California-ness comes out lol) and i dont think that would be a good thing for me . So i think it really just depends on the kind of drunk you are whether is good or bad IMO. But like been said a few times already they play favorites or turn a blind eye to it if they feel its not an issue depending on who it is.
IvyAdams
08-29-2015, 10:45 AM
I drink on cam, I don't get drunk on cam. The code of conduct/rules say clearly you can't be under the influence. NOT that you can't drink. If they didn't want you to drink at all, I'm sure it would state that in bold letters, "NO drinking alcohol on cam" Haven't we already gone over this? LOL They just don't want drunk girls camming. Nothing is more unattractive than a drunk woman. ewwww
THIS. I drink on cam occasionally (a glass of wine etc.) but I never say what I'm drinking and never get drunk. :) It's all in the subtlety
hyori
08-29-2015, 11:05 AM
I got banned off CB for a few hours for uncorking a bottle and drinking. I totally forgot they were against drinking on cam. MFC and Cam4 don't care. SM is probably one of the more stricter sites other than XloveCam<---they don't even allow topless.
Snowy0Star
08-29-2015, 11:48 AM
I got banned off CB for a few hours for uncorking a bottle and drinking. I totally forgot they were against drinking on cam. MFC and Cam4 don't care. SM is probably one of the more stricter sites other than XloveCam<---they don't even allow topless.
do you find that XLovecam site has more guys that are willing to pay and theres less begging VS SM i found that there was less begging and rude demanding entitlement issues on Cams.com compared to SM because they dont allow topless either at Cams but i found Cams to be a waste of time its too full of guys who want to talk ur ear off for free with a promise of pvt later and the low % vs guys who ask a few questions then take u pvt like SM .
As far as what happened on CB - i think u got ratted on by a jelly cam model because ur awesome . Sad how ppl have to rat others out for petty shit . I dont think anyone else would have reported you for that other then another performer .
SabrinaThomas
08-29-2015, 01:24 PM
And Yes Sam, FUCKING YES, you should be advertising your link. I had nearly $200 this week in bonus cash and all I do is fucking post my link on twitter before I log in.
You make the CM link sound so easy. I have been posting my link on twitter before I log in for over 3 years now. I even used facebook in the beginning too but my account got closed there, twice.... I tried tumblr but nobody really pays attention to that.
All it got me in all these years is only one signup and he only spent $ in one show from another cammodel. I have 12K followers.
So even for the girls like me that do promote intensively their cammodels link for years and years, it doesn't mean a 200$ bonus in a week at all. But I don't give up lol
JaneBurgess
08-29-2015, 02:53 PM
I've known her for ten years and she is hilarious period. She is also SUPER creative with her shows. She does Tipsy Tuesday, Star Wars themes, dressed as a gypsy, etc. Her Twitter is just as funny, I always crack up at her postings. She is cool a little tipsy or sober.
I do agree it's different for everyone. I have seen video of a performer drunk and it was bad. She fell off her chair, started crying and then screamed at the cam for a few minutes. If you can't handle your alcohol than don't drink period, yet alone online.
There is a top model who I LOVE that used to or still does these things called tipsy tuesday ive never seen her during them but i can only assume she gets drunk. Shes fucking HILARIOUS in free chat sober so i can only assume its 10 fold when shes drunk. I remember one day watching her and she was talking to her room about her tipsy tuesday show later that week saying she passed out on cam during it because she drank so much. Some ppl react differently when theyre drunk . Some people it loosens them up enuf to actually cam at all (witch is another story) Some ppl like being buzzed because it makes camming funner . Others are just straight up belligerent and and am embarrassment to themselves when they cam drunk witch is the kind of drunk that kinda makes a bad rep for cam girls. I act like a 16 year old bratty high schooler with a valley girl accent (my California-ness comes out lol) and i dont think that would be a good thing for me . So i think it really just depends on the kind of drunk you are whether is good or bad IMO. But like been said a few times already they play favorites or turn a blind eye to it if they feel its not an issue depending on who it is.
JaneBurgess
08-29-2015, 02:56 PM
I asked about that once. Liz said a lot of performers had the labels of the alcohol on cam and they can't allow that. I dont know if they were concerned you were promoting a certain alcohol, but I cant imagine it's copyright issues.
I used to tip a lot more than I do now. I used to make a habit of tipping the girls on the lower part of page 2 and onward just because it was unexpected and offered them a little incentive to keep going. I would introduce myself after tipping. I stopped because it seemed like I started getting trolled heavy after the introduction. They may not be related but I felt shafted. Being on cam is stressful enough without inviting trouble in. I have only ever reported two models and it was when I was new. I was watching top models because the site advises it. One model I was shocked to see pissing in her bed and then selling the panties. I quickly learned the owners of the site are aware of it and allow it. The other one was also a top model who is absolutely beautiful and like a barbie doll showing pussy which I also know the site is aware and allows her to do it. It's not that I've become complacent to see rules enforced for one model but not another but more appreciating the privilege of being on it and not wanting to invite trouble. I do wonder why those girls wont move to a site that allows XXX in free chat but it's not enough to pursue an answer.
I don't drink but never knew it was illegal on cam. Why is it illegal? Also still want to know what a hang out show is.
Thank you.
oCURIOUSo
08-29-2015, 03:08 PM
I don't have anything to add to the open letter. I'm not sure if this should be posted in this thread or a new one but, what is a hang out show? I think I have been doing hang out shows for as long as gold shows became available but this is why I am asking for clarification. The only other thing I wanted to add is not all models who report other models are doing it out of jealously. I take offense to this only because I see a model in this thread who always seems to have something harsh to say when models have an opposing view of her own. Now I see a couple more in this. Streamate tells us as new models to watch other models and learn what works, what doesn't and incorporate that into our own hustle. This is said to us right after we sign an acknowledgement of site rules and a model behavior agreement. There is a difference between trying to maintain a level playing field where we are all held to the same standard and being jealous. Many of us like the standard Streamate sets. If a model is reporting another model, I see it more like a neighborhood watch, I mean who wants to see a home with tall weeds and a broken down truck in the front yard when we all know it devalues the rest of the neighborhood? To me jealousy from another model is when a model enters a chat room anonymously and starts typing words that are antagonistic. I'm pretty sure guys who surf the site with one hand on their dick, trying to get a nut off will not be typing such crap. Those are the guys who go in and out of the chat room before you can greet them. They could care less about typing. I'm positive that 100% of the trolls I've had in my chat are other models and not jonny perv looking for free pussy, and that's usually found in the top two rows or somewhere in between Columbia and page 12.
The reason Chaterbate and MFC has more traffic is because there are a higher number of surfers looking for free shows which are readily available. It doesn't mean those sites are better. I happen to like the trade in of lower traffic but higher quality traffic.
I guess I do have something to add to this thread.
I don't care what people are doing on cam, so much as everyone not being held to the same standards. Not because I'm jealous but because I am forever having to tell people "No, I can't do that, it's against the rules" and having them come back with a list of 5 other people doing that exact same thing. Like, yeah I sell panties but it's against the rules on SM and I can't tell you where to find them so you can buy them because that's against the rules too. And they're like well I bought panties from X, Y and Z this week, you're just lying. Like, first of all, if I'm gonna lie to you its not gonna be about panties. I'm gonna say I'm glad you're here or I like your personality even though you joined 1 gold show 2 years ago and now think we're friends with benefits. Second, it doesn't matter what someone else did, I'm not willing to take that risk. If I say no, then go back to someone who is willing to do whatever it is you're looking for, don't question my character.
hyori
08-30-2015, 05:44 AM
do you find that XLovecam site has more guys that are willing to pay and theres less begging VS SM i found that there was less begging and rude demanding entitlement issues on Cams.com compared to SM because they dont allow topless either at Cams but i found Cams to be a waste of time its too full of guys who want to talk ur ear off for free with a promise of pvt later and the low % vs guys who ask a few questions then take u pvt like SM .
XLovecam also has beggars, not more or less than other sites. The good thing is, most of them are French so they just don't sound as rude. In fact, European men in general are more literate so even if they do beg it is not as annoying. You do get some weird requests and fetishes.
As far as what happened on CB - i think u got ratted on by a jelly cam model because ur awesome . Sad how ppl have to rat others out for petty shit . I dont think anyone else would have reported you for that other then another performer .
Waaat? Jelly of little me? Psssh.
Awww thank you for saying I'm awesome. :) You are awesome, Snowy, you work so damn hard, you're hawt, you don't get involved in drama or taking sides and you are always trying to help. Xoxo
missyamaya
08-30-2015, 05:37 PM
I think being supportive of one another is the best way to go! Also, don't believe the customers who try to stir up drama between models either. Many will say, "This model said X about you." I don't believe them and shrug it off. I think all of you ladies are wonderful, encouraging, and inspiring. Participating in drama is a waste of time and energy! Spend your time working on being a better you.
In regards to rules, it's better to just not break them. There will always be someone else who will pay you without putting your job at risk!