View Full Version : Streamate My Open Letter To Liz
audritwo
08-30-2015, 05:58 PM
I don't care what people are doing on cam, so much as everyone not being held to the same standards. Not because I'm jealous but because I am forever having to tell people "No, I can't do that, it's against the rules" and having them come back with a list of 5 other people doing that exact same thing. Like, yeah I sell panties but it's against the rules on SM and I can't tell you where to find them so you can buy them because that's against the rules too. And they're like well I bought panties from X, Y and Z this week, you're just lying. Like, first of all, if I'm gonna lie to you its not gonna be about panties. I'm gonna say I'm glad you're here or I like your personality even though you joined 1 gold show 2 years ago and now think we're friends with benefits. Second, it doesn't matter what someone else did, I'm not willing to take that risk. If I say no, then go back to someone who is willing to do whatever it is you're looking for, don't question my character.
Agree, but my thing is when they are so blatant about it. Like the chick with the profile pic of her twitter several months back. I've gotten in trouble with saying "find it on your own." Yeah that irked me, and I do believe I complained about it in chatzy or twitter. But overall, I don't care. What a model does in their room is their business. If they want to do things against the rules and a potentially jeopardize their income, fine by me. If someone wants to spend their time tattling on models, cool. I don't care if a member tries to talk me into saying others do x shows. That's not me, and I don't have to do anything I don't want to. I've read and heard about sites and PSO companies that push their models or reprehend them for not doing a show they weren't comfortable with, or against the CoD. And I'm so thankful Streamate isn't a site that does that.
As other models joining, most the models that come see me, have nothing but good to say, and I've only had about two bad experiences with other girls. I never egg'd on or added to it, because when I say I'm a person without drama, I do mean it. I know not everyone isn't going to like me, and think I'm this awesome person. Some models probably think of me a fucking bitch how I talk the fuck up on my shows or how I get away with being so blunt to customers. In the end, I'm selling a product here, I need to make sales, like you ladies do. I figured out and I think mastered what works with me. I got my hustle down. I never ever or ever will talk ill of another person on cam. Because I know dudes love to feed into drama too. I get members in my room all the time coming in telling what x model said or did to them. I don't care. That is her room, and she can treat you anyway she wants.
Okay I'm rambling here. Gonna go finish my wine. It's my husband's Birthday.
emma383
08-30-2015, 06:08 PM
Agree, but my thing is when they are so blatant about it. Like the chick with the profile pic of her twitter several months back. I've gotten in trouble with saying "find it on your own." Yeah that irked me, and I do believe I complained about it in chatzy or twitter. But overall, I don't care. What a model does in their room is their business. If they want to do things against the rules and a potentially jeopardize their income, fine by me. If someone wants to spend their time tattling on models, cool. I don't care if a member tries to talk me into saying others do x shows. That's not me, and I don't have to do anything I don't want to. I've read and heard about sites and PSO companies that push their models or reprehend them for not doing a show they weren't comfortable with, or against the CoD. And I'm so thankful Streamate isn't a site that does that.
As other models joining, most the models that come see me, have nothing good to say, and I've only had about two bad experiences with other girls. I never egg'd on or added to it, because when I say I'm a person without drama, I do mean it. I know not everyone isn't going to like me, and think I'm this awesome person. Some models probably think of me a fucking bitch how I talk the fuck up on my shows or how I get away with being so blunt to customers. In the end, I'm selling a product here, I need to make sales, like you ladies do. I figured out and I think mastered what works with me. I got my hustle down. I never ever or ever will talk ill of another person on cam. Because I know dudes love to feed into drama too. I get members in my room all the time coming in telling what x model said or did to them. I don't care. That is her room, and she can treat you anyway she wants.
Okay I'm rambling here. Gonna go finish my wine. It's my husband's Birthday.
You're fabs and you got my support, ignore the naysayers.. Happy B-day to the hubby!
EllieGold
08-30-2015, 06:19 PM
First post here. SM is my main site I work on. I seriously love it, even with just 35%. All I am against SM is that their trolls be held more accountable for their actions. I'm watching a top model almost crying on cam with how rude men are being in both free chat & paid. I am not sure if men get in trouble as much as models do, can someone elaborate?
Snowy0Star
08-30-2015, 06:24 PM
XLovecam also has beggars, not more or less than other sites. The good thing is, most of them are French so they just don't sound as rude. In fact, European men in general are more literate so even if they do beg it is not as annoying. You do get some weird requests and fetishes.
Waaat? Jelly of little me? Psssh.
Awww thank you for saying I'm awesome. :) You are awesome, Snowy, you work so damn hard, you're hawt, you don't get involved in drama or taking sides and you are always trying to help. Xoxo
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KatyBoleyn
08-30-2015, 07:01 PM
First post here. SM is my main site I work on. I seriously love it, even with just 35%. All I am against SM is that their trolls be held more accountable for their actions. I'm watching a top model almost crying on cam with how rude men are being in both free chat & paid. I am not sure if men get in trouble as much as models do, can someone elaborate?
There was a conversation about this somewhere, but the logic is that SM gives models power to kick/block/ban instantly, permanently, and without penalty. In theory they shouldn't be an issue, but sometimes keeping up with the tag-trolls can be a chore. Die hard trolls will make as many new accounts as they have credit cards to keep coming back, but they do run out of steam.
In our experience the more elaborate creeps (pedos, for example), tend not to come back after they're reported. Whether they're banned from the site or simply from the model's room on her behalf are anyone's guess. I did hear vague reference to an IP block so some of these guys couldn't simply make new accounts.
EffyRose
08-30-2015, 07:40 PM
Agree, but my thing is when they are so blatant about it. Like the chick with the profile pic of her twitter several months back. I've gotten in trouble with saying "find it on your own." Yeah that irked me, and I do believe I complained about it in chatzy or twitter. But overall, I don't care. What a model does in their room is their business. If they want to do things against the rules and a potentially jeopardize their income, fine by me. If someone wants to spend their time tattling on models, cool. I don't care if a member tries to talk me into saying others do x shows. That's not me, and I don't have to do anything I don't want to. I've read and heard about sites and PSO companies that push their models or reprehend them for not doing a show they weren't comfortable with, or against the CoD. And I'm so thankful Streamate isn't a site that does that.
As other models joining, most the models that come see me, have nothing good to say, and I've only had about two bad experiences with other girls. I never egg'd on or added to it, because when I say I'm a person without drama, I do mean it. I know not everyone isn't going to like me, and think I'm this awesome person. Some models probably think of me a fucking bitch how I talk the fuck up on my shows or how I get away with being so blunt to customers. In the end, I'm selling a product here, I need to make sales, like you ladies do. I figured out and I think mastered what works with me. I got my hustle down. I never ever or ever will talk ill of another person on cam. Because I know dudes love to feed into drama too. I get members in my room all the time coming in telling what x model said or did to them. I don't care. That is her room, and she can treat you anyway she wants.
Okay I'm rambling here. Gonna go finish my wine. It's my husband's Birthday.
Happy Birthday Audri's husband!
Serena-Shields
08-30-2015, 09:39 PM
Honestly I don't have anything to add to this letter except like...please start putting trans girls on the front page? I guess?
I don't hustle on SM anymore because I was getting really bored just sitting there on some days and traffic was less predictable for me. I did alright, but it got tedious for a while. Token sites are where it's at for me because when I have multiple people talking to me I turn into a fun ass bitch- well, as fun as a domme can be! Also in my experience I'll end up sitting there on the slow days and get steadily irritated, whereas on token sites I KNOW I'm going to eventually make my goal no matter what and usually more, and I get to sit there and dance my ass off instead of doing private shows. A lot of my favorite models on here are SM girls though and once I get out of my studio, I can't wait to go on and cheer for my Chatzy girls!
Kitcatt
08-30-2015, 10:24 PM
Oh I TOTALLY fucking agree Serena! There should be a TS listing that is part of the main page, and it should be mixed in with the girls page. I think that's an oversite that SM doesn't even know they're making. On my old site there were always at least 3 ts listings in the top three lines of the page, I think they are missing out on money not doing that (as are you)
audritwo
08-30-2015, 11:54 PM
You know I got mad love for ALL you ladies. And I do believe it isn't fair as well. But, I think the reason SM has trans not on the the front pages is because it's a very niche porn market. And maybe the reason you have your own section is to direct the serious members interested in you ladies, instead of time wasters and harassment. I'm sure you already get that. Same goes for the camboys. In the end its about profit, and they are going to set up their site that will generate the most profit. I know that sounds shitty.
Also I'm still drunk. Soooooo I'm pretty sure I'm rambling and this might make no sense. I'll figure out if what I wrote is coherent tomorrow.
Also thank you for the birthday wishes to my beau! It was his birthday shindig, his bday was last week. Lol.
Issabelle
08-31-2015, 09:25 AM
You know I got mad love for ALL you ladies. And I do believe it isn't fair as well. But, I think the reason SM has trans not on the the front pages is because it's a very niche porn market. And maybe the reason you have your own section is to direct the serious members interested in you ladies, instead of time wasters and harassment. I'm sure you already get that. Same goes for the camboys. In the end its about profit, and they are going to set up their site that will generate the most profit. I know that sounds shitty.
Decent drunk logic, Audri. I can't confirm if this is the actual reason for how the main listing placement is done, but I seriously suspect it has less to do with a lack of respect for niche markets and more to do with a tendency for customers to scream 'bait and switch' whenever possible to get their money back. The customers who are looking to do a show with a trans model will click on the trans categories automatically. The customers who aren't will, at best, leave the room when they figure it out or, at worst, enter a show and have a total meltdown about the fact that the 'parts don't match' or whatever before demanding a refund/attacking the model. We all know that dudes can't be bothered to read the room topic most days, let alone a profile where the gender of the model is listed.
As Audri suggested, the same logic can be applied to keeping males off the home page--too many dudes may lead to guys screaming 'what the fuck is this--some sort o' gay porno site?!' and leaving.
I'm not saying it's fair/unfair, to be clear, so much as trying to explain the logic I imagine the support team probably has.
hyori
08-31-2015, 09:28 AM
I think there is always one token T-girl. Just like there is always one token Couple, BBW, MILF, Black, Asian and Latina <--or any combination of the minorities. The cam boys however, I never see on the front page.
Issabelle
08-31-2015, 10:06 AM
Out of curiosity, I just checked placement for the transsexual and transgender categories--the #1 girl in each section was listed starting on page 9 of the regular listings, well after many male performers. This is not to say that a trans model hasn't been on page 1 before, so much as that I've just never seen it.
Serena-Shields
08-31-2015, 01:09 PM
I absolutely understand why SM doesn't advertise trans models as much as cis models- they're going to put all of their promo into the ones that bring in the most cash and have the largest customer base. However, as far as I've seen trans models can generate that same amount of hype and make bank on the sites where they ARE likely to get shown on the front page. CB has less categories than SM and the target group is a lot different (token-based custies as opposed to PVT-based custies) so it wouldn't be right to compare the two, but you can go on their front page at any given time and find at least one or two trans models with 1k viewers making bank. It's a business decision at it's core, same with how they don't put a lot of other categories on the front page, but I just wish they went with a different business model to start with.
Obviously I'm more concerned about my money and my hustle but I also advocate for the other categories to get that treatment as well. However SM does have quite a few white labels that advertise specifically to trans-lovers, I think? So I still DO get promo from them- just not on the main site.
euro_princess
08-31-2015, 01:54 PM
On the other hand, *hoping that Liz/Vanessa/SM staff actually reads this*, how would you girls improve SM? What would you change? New features? Just be totally honest.
audritwo
08-31-2015, 03:42 PM
Honestly I would LOVE to have our average goldshow earnings where we can see our average gold and earnings
Kitcatt
08-31-2015, 03:59 PM
I'd like a report that lists all of our contributers by $$$ and last time in my room.
scarlettbelle
08-31-2015, 04:11 PM
My wish is very simple and I've toyed with the idea of mentioning it to support - I wish that when a member sends us a message, we could open up their profile directly from the message (like we can do in our earnings list.) This would prevent guys from being able to sneakily change their name and message us for someone else's free vids/pics/whatever. Yes, there are work arounds, but they're tedious and time consuming.
Also, why can they change their names whenever they want to? I see no good reason for that "feature" and it's definitely being abused.
oCURIOUSo
08-31-2015, 04:12 PM
Adequate tech support! Most of us have enough experience with computers to know when the problem is on our end and when it's on theirs. If tech support knew their assessment from their elbows they would have been able to catch, track and resolve these most recent issues much faster, but instead they spent a week telling us there wasn't an issue, and to check our encoder settings, or worse completely ignoring our emails that had all the necessary information and screen shots.
And it's not just the model support, customers need competent support to help resolve their issues too.
oCURIOUSo
08-31-2015, 04:12 PM
^^ hahah *asses, not assessment
SweetieBitch
08-31-2015, 05:29 PM
Personally I would love the ability to add a few more minutes onto the end of gold show countdowns. So like, if you haven't hit goal in your allotted time, maybe give us the option to add up to 5 minutes onto the timer when the 90 second "You haven't reached your goal in time!" warning message pops up. That way everyone's initial tips still remain, you don't have to cancel/restart from scratch and potentially lose a few tippers, and you'll have a bit more time to hustle and hit your goal/start the show. (And only allow one "add to timer" option per countdown so that it doesn't turn into a long-winded ordeal.)
MsBellaSpanxx
08-31-2015, 05:31 PM
An option to tip gold offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Issabelle
08-31-2015, 06:06 PM
Personally I would love the ability to add a few more minutes onto the end of gold show countdowns. So like, if you haven't hit goal in your allotted time, maybe give us the option to add up to 5 minutes onto the timer when the 90 second "You haven't reached your goal in time!" warning message pops up. That way everyone's initial tips still remain, you don't have to cancel/restart from scratch and potentially lose a few tippers, and you'll have a bit more time to hustle and hit your goal/start the show. (And only allow one "add to timer" option per countdown so that it doesn't turn into a long-winded ordeal.)
Tacking onto that--could we PLEASE make it possible to minimize that 90 second warning window? I know first hand how frustrating it can be to not be able to see anything my guys type to me for the last minute and a half of the count down. A LOT of tips come in at that time and it's incredibly important to be able to keep the conversation going!
audritwo
08-31-2015, 06:22 PM
an option to tip gold offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously yessssssssssss!
audritwo
08-31-2015, 06:31 PM
An actual site supported app for Android and IOS
hyori
08-31-2015, 06:49 PM
Option to change the time after private to free chat to more than 20 seconds.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-31-2015, 07:36 PM
An alert for when customers log in it reminds them to leave a rating for previous camshows.
To ban the trolls after they leave our rooms
scarlettbelle
08-31-2015, 08:00 PM
Kat, you read my mind. :D The ability to block guys from their profile would be amazing. That way we could at least block people from our earnings list if we weren't able to catch them during a show or in free chat.
SweetJulia
08-31-2015, 08:59 PM
When guys enter, show how many girls have them banned? Cuz if it's a lot, it's for a reason.
seicento
08-31-2015, 09:53 PM
The ability for customers to rate ONLY after they have spent more than 3 mins in private.Yeah I`m pissed for a bad rating and I hate that sm let them rate after a minute ,what can you get in a minute so u can rate properly ,seriously now.
I don`t know what it`s like on other sites but on AW they can only leave a rating/feedback after 3 mins and that is great because we are not shoving a dildo up our asses in a minute like every minute man want.
audritwo
08-31-2015, 11:48 PM
Wen guys enter, show how many girls have them banned? Cuz if it's a lot, it's for a reason.
Yeah in their profile.
euro_princess
08-31-2015, 11:55 PM
Besides what you girls mention it! I want to see who favorited me, the full list.
BustyVixen
09-01-2015, 04:33 AM
I'd love a way to know what's in my notes about a custie without having to click on it because sometimes it doesnt work. For example, if I marked them as a 35 sec peeper, I can color code that red. If they are a good spender and we did a good show, his note is color coded green or something of that nature.
JessRyan
09-01-2015, 07:27 AM
great ideas girls! I like the icons or better custom "notes" on guys usernames. Like a green $ symbol for a good tipper. An angry face for an asshole. Also, i'd like the gold show gold counter to be adjustable, to count up or count down. I SuCK at math! AND I would like the gold show to be adjusted to auto start also. Not just auto cancel. Or at least that you can adjust it to auto START at your lowest goal. You know? I hate clicking that start button, or forgetting to click it even when I make my goal? I hate that. They can put a man on the moon! Jeeeeezus!
SoloDesire
09-01-2015, 08:20 AM
I'd like it if we could change things, like our personal statistics/categories/kinky attributes on our profile without having to wait for them to be approved. I don't understand why they have to be "approved" when they are just selected items. Sometimes I shave/grow out my pussy hair or decide I'd like to offer different kinky attributes to my shows and need to change them and shouldn't have to wait a whole day to have it approved.
missyamaya
09-01-2015, 06:25 PM
I think it would be nice if our bios could be a little longer. Giving someone a better idea of your personality can be a good thing because you're more relatable.
I love all of these ideas!
IllyriaStorm
09-01-2015, 06:30 PM
I also wish that we could select more than5 kink things...I'm sure there's a reason for this but it took a lot of debating to pick just 5 for me. I do a lot of different things!
hyori
09-01-2015, 07:21 PM
I'd love for a SM higher up to answer this thread letting us all know that they will seriously look into implementing our suggestions.
^^^ Looks like they only write/ answer when shit hits the fan lol, in rest they dont seem to care, oh well....
Sunnylexie
09-01-2015, 10:21 PM
If noone has mentioned it yet - the ability to open guys' profiles from the mailbox. It would be really cool because many of them sign their messages with their preferred name, and we have to either copy it elsewhere or dig through the messages to find it and put on their profile the next time they show up in the chat.
Also, why not introduce a category for models using huge toys as well as make two separate categories for dominant and submissive models, so people could just click a button rather than ask every model advertising toys or wearing a fetish outfit if they use big dildos or if they are is a dom or a sub.
Snowy0Star
09-01-2015, 10:41 PM
I think it would be nice if our bios could be a little longer. Giving someone a better idea of your personality can be a good thing because you're more relatable.
I love all of these ideas!
better yet id like them to put in html/css support like mfc and cb does
scarlettbelle
09-01-2015, 10:53 PM
If noone has mentioned it yet - the ability to open guys' profiles from the mailbox. It would be really cool because many of them sign their messages with their preferred name, and we have to either copy it elsewhere or dig through the messages to find it and put on their profile the next time they show up in the chat.
Also, why not introduce a category for models using huge toys as well as make two separate categories for dominant and submissive models, so people could just click a button rather than ask every model advertising toys or wearing a fetish outfit if they use big dildos or if they are is a dom or a sub.
Yes!!! I mentioned the profile thing in this post (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?202854-Streamate-My-Open-Letter-To-Liz&p=2795640#post2795640) because it would make it so much easier to see if they've actually tipped for a video. I hadn't even thought about the note taking aspect. The possibilities are endless!! They need to get on this, STAT! :D
pixiepower329
09-02-2015, 01:43 AM
I'd love the ability to ban members in the free chat section. I have a guy that just sits in there all day every day... never says a word, never spends a dime.
Sunnylexie
09-02-2015, 01:50 AM
Letting us use OBS alongside with FMLE would be great, too. It has many fun features like picture in picture, is readable (unlike the FMLE's grey on black), and doesn't cover up a good half of the screen.
Rosemary Rabbit
09-02-2015, 04:26 AM
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SoloDesire
09-02-2015, 05:31 AM
Letting us use OBS alongside with FMLE would be great, too. It has many fun features like picture in picture, is readable (unlike the FMLE's grey on black), and doesn't cover up a good half of the screen.
I already use OBS and have no repercussions for doing so...it still registers as using the encoder as far as placement goes.
Sunnylexie
09-02-2015, 08:02 AM
In the mobile version - "Go pvt" and "send gold" buttons that wouldn't be covering up our boobs lol. I can never be sure if the person who tipped me to flash tits is able to see them without me standing up lol.
Actually, a sign showing the member is on a mobile device (and can't see the profile etc) would be great. I send them to read my bio like everyone else and when it turns out there's no bio for them I feel like an asshole))).
Solo, do they let use OBS for TV shows as well?
CocoLoca
12-04-2015, 07:20 PM
i use OBS and get TV, so yes they do.
update: well yesterday and today my TV show offers glitches, so maybe OBS is not supported anymore lol