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TheBrownFox
08-26-2015, 07:16 PM
Breaking news...my dream came true. After speaking with a software developer and some logistics I now have the license to run streaming software and manage a cam site.
It can also be used additionally as a plug in for solo sites as a way to show live cam on your own page. I am being particular about the start up and looking for ladies with certain experience and discipline. There's a 65% payout, catering towards higher rates, and kink/fetish friendly.

Initially I want to start out with no more than 25-30 ladies when the site is more established. At this time during testing and development I'm looking for a few ladies who have sites or are looking for an alternative.

So, it exists. It's small at first but it's only me doing all of this. I'm trying to spread the word and also was pushed to actively do something about the recent SM fiasco and figure now would be a time to change things and do what I can.

And I have an investor for outside traffic but aside from time and energy, this costs only my sanity really.

I'm happy for you for pursuing your dream, and I hope that the cam site turns out AWESOME for you and the ladies who join! :)

hyori
08-26-2015, 07:21 PM
You want this kind of feedback. It will ensure success if all or most of the issues are addressed. There are plenty of success stories about people who make it beyond their their wildest dreams by bootstrapping and good faith. If you really want this, you can make it happen regardless of all that you are up against. The path is clear if you listen to your inner guidance. Just go for it so you can never regret not trying at all.

Sam38g
08-26-2015, 07:40 PM
When did I become the softy, damn, bad for my rep. I write here, on my blogs in the past, my site, my social media feed things that are upsetting to many people in the adult industry or fans. Never have I been afraid at the heat or anger I generate with it. Nor do I take any of it personally. There is a saying "if you can't take the heat, don't step into the kitchen". I can take as well as I give.

Theories, Ideas, business plans are all mute until a proven money making product. If you want to be taken seriously, don't talk about a project until it is up and running. Business is about supply & demand. Perhaps you posted here to find out what & how many girls would be interested. Telling you from my vast experience in the adult industry, it isn't there.

Sam

Feelings getting hurt or offended is not an option. Of course you can talk about your personal issues on this site & many here will help you. But can't post personal issues while trying to do business with others, that is unprofessional. Those should be two different threads.

I know the excitement of a new project, also know the work it entails & not to discuss it until finished. It is like building a house, always cost 10 times more than you planned on & took 10 time longer. When post to early about a project others lose interest in waiting a long time for it to happen & makes you look untrustworthy.

Never jinx a project by talking about it before getting it done.

gingerstripper
08-26-2015, 10:06 PM
im curious.

LolaBohemia
08-26-2015, 10:31 PM
When did I become the softy, damn, bad for my rep. I write here, on my blogs in the past, my site, my social media feed things that are upsetting to many people in the adult industry or fans. Never have I been afraid at the heat or anger I generate with it. Nor do I take any of it personally. There is a saying "if you can't take the heat, don't step into the kitchen". I can take as well as I give.

Theories, Ideas, business plans are all mute until a proven money making product. If you want to be taken seriously, don't talk about a project until it is up and running. Business is about supply & demand. Perhaps you posted here to find out what & how many girls would be interested. Telling you from my vast experience in the adult industry, it isn't there.

Sam

Feelings getting hurt or offended is not an option. Of course you can talk about your personal issues on this site & many here will help you. But can't post personal issues while trying to do business with others, that is unprofessional. Those should be two different threads.

I know the excitement of a new project, also know the work it entails & not to discuss it until finished. It is like building a house, always cost 10 times more than you planned on & took 10 time longer. When post to early about a project others lose interest in waiting a long time for it to happen & makes you look untrustworthy.

Never jinx a project by talking about it before getting it done.

Ok, you actually provided me with an example of how things became misunderstood through rhetoric in discussion.

I only stated that certain things help my Depression. It's not a past issue or drama, it's a condition I deal with in a healthy manner. I don't shame myself for it, I just take care of it. Only reason why it was mentioned was because I said as I started working on creative projects and focusing on goals I found and remembered these kinds of things helped my depression. Mere coincidence and possibly an indicator of what to pursue. People without diagnosed Depression go through similar things. Well, someone making a statement in caps making claims that weren't true and possibly discrediting were apparently effective unfortunately.

I'm not hurt or offended. I'm more confused and find this whole thing surreal. I posted because I felt it was a possibility that could bring solutions to issues some were having lately. I'm an artist at heart and a creative problem solver that avoids self defeating beliefs, I don't know the history of certain website scandals and such as I try avoiding things that do not support my greatness. It's unfortunate these events did affect those who may not have had a chance to avoid such and it's apparent it's caused significant distrust and hesitation to future changes. I don't blame you there with things I've discovered about websites and their real agenda but I also know not all efforts will come from such a place and to still give some projects a chance.

Excitement overwhelmed me, I had figured out and was offered something that allowed things to start. Even if it didn't become some huge thing it could still be beneficial and work for certain models out there so there's flexibility. I'd discuss details privately with someone but until I figure out what is best for making the site work I'm not going to give you a list.

I've run professional projects in the past and enjoyed it and it's something I want to continue doing.

What does concern me are those who may receive a similar reaction like I did and it affecting them very strongly and does quite a job on their outlook and confidence. It could be for whatever, not specifically related to my work in progress but do you really want such strong negativity it could trigger someone? Harsh truths or not, we are all human beings and there's criticism and there's cruel. At a point people are no longer going to listen because they see hurtful things and it can hurt.

I lived with a guy who was all about 'tough love' and stating things very matter of factly. After a while his statements wore away at me and things like "Yeah, you remind me of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, you are both good at computers and were both raped."

Neither hurt nor upset but surreal. Strange example but similar feeling and knowing that while some can hear things and not be broken, there are some that can be hurt and over something small seeking personal advice. I've read responses to newbie questions over time and I wondered if there was some mission to dissuade girls from getting involved or even fear forums on the internet.

Ok, getting too long. Basically, I was sharing good news and results will be seen gradually and in real time. I appreciate any feedback emailed to me or msged but it's not feedback or helpful criticism if you are belittling or insulting the person; intention is important and again, we are all human, imperfect, learning and discovering and directing your powerful message showing you want to help people will more likely listen to.

I'll end this here. Not keen on site updates through here, go figure, but I think it will pop up soon and is receiving support from those who can actively make it work and are industry involved.

audritwo
08-26-2015, 11:47 PM
Industry involved? We are all industry involved. That's why ladies asked questions, gave criticism, and had doubts. Lola, by the way you reacted, playing victim, and bringing up rape that has nothing to do with the topic, it's going to bring lots of doubts.

justanothercamgirl
08-27-2015, 06:25 AM
Ok, you actually provided me with an example of how things became misunderstood through rhetoric in discussion.

I only stated that certain things help my Depression. It's not a past issue or drama, it's a condition I deal with in a healthy manner. I don't shame myself for it, I just take care of it. Only reason why it was mentioned was because I said as I started working on creative projects and focusing on goals I found and remembered these kinds of things helped my depression. Mere coincidence and possibly an indicator of what to pursue. People without diagnosed Depression go through similar things. Well, someone making a statement in caps making claims that weren't true and possibly discrediting were apparently effective unfortunately.

I'm not hurt or offended. I'm more confused and find this whole thing surreal. I posted because I felt it was a possibility that could bring solutions to issues some were having lately. I'm an artist at heart and a creative problem solver that avoids self defeating beliefs, I don't know the history of certain website scandals and such as I try avoiding things that do not support my greatness. It's unfortunate these events did affect those who may not have had a chance to avoid such and it's apparent it's caused significant distrust and hesitation to future changes. I don't blame you there with things I've discovered about websites and their real agenda but I also know not all efforts will come from such a place and to still give some projects a chance.

Excitement overwhelmed me, I had figured out and was offered something that allowed things to start. Even if it didn't become some huge thing it could still be beneficial and work for certain models out there so there's flexibility. I'd discuss details privately with someone but until I figure out what is best for making the site work I'm not going to give you a list.

I've run professional projects in the past and enjoyed it and it's something I want to continue doing.

What does concern me are those who may receive a similar reaction like I did and it affecting them very strongly and does quite a job on their outlook and confidence. It could be for whatever, not specifically related to my work in progress but do you really want such strong negativity it could trigger someone? Harsh truths or not, we are all human beings and there's criticism and there's cruel. At a point people are no longer going to listen because they see hurtful things and it can hurt.

I lived with a guy who was all about 'tough love' and stating things very matter of factly. After a while his statements wore away at me and things like "Yeah, you remind me of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, you are both good at computers and were both raped."

Neither hurt nor upset but surreal. Strange example but similar feeling and knowing that while some can hear things and not be broken, there are some that can be hurt and over something small seeking personal advice. I've read responses to newbie questions over time and I wondered if there was some mission to dissuade girls from getting involved or even fear forums on the internet.

Ok, getting too long. Basically, I was sharing good news and results will be seen gradually and in real time. I appreciate any feedback emailed to me or msged but it's not feedback or helpful criticism if you are belittling or insulting the person; intention is important and again, we are all human, imperfect, learning and discovering and directing your powerful message showing you want to help people will more likely listen to.

I'll end this here. Not keen on site updates through here, go figure, but I think it will pop up soon and is receiving support from those who can actively make it work and are industry involved.

Some gentle advice, when you find yourself encountering a group of people who have are all pretty much saying the same thing it should give you pause to consider that maybe the miscommunication and blind spot of perception may not be occurring on their side at all. It actually might be your own.

This is not to say that groups of people are always correct about individual actions but only to say it should really give you pause to think about your own cognitive biases (which is a good thing for us all to stop and reflect on sometimes.)

In my own personal opinion you are making many false assumptions in the quote above but in the interest of time I am going to try to narrow it down to one to address them all:

"I've read responses to newbie questions over time and I wondered if there was some mission to dissuade girls from getting involved or even fear forums on the internet."

This could be, but Occam's razor also dictates that the simple answer is probably closer to the right one. It could also be that newbies are unfamiliar to the 'straight-shooting' world of the adult industry because they have been taught to communicate passive-aggressively rather then that there is a vast Illuminati-type conspiracy against newbie camgirls.

The military operates in the same way, it tears down who you were in your civilian life and then builds you back up again to be better able to deal with the stress and pain of your new life and to try and keep you safe.

DeepThoughts
08-27-2015, 07:36 AM
^^^OMG yes SW is boot camp for newbies! Drop and give me 50 kegals bitches! :D

ArtsyScarlett
08-27-2015, 07:52 AM
http://i.imgur.com/JakTZXq.gif

For someone with a masters equivalent in front end development, your website is a static jpg with a gmail address...

Hey I'm just pissed I didn't even get a response and my reply was really friendly! :)

Sam38g
08-27-2015, 01:03 PM
Oh my so defensive Lola... Best of luck, obviously our advice is getting twisted & turned into stuff it isn't. There are times, when we have to give up & let others learn lessons the hard way.

I think lying, misleading, hinting at the reality of any business is BULLSHIT & does way more harm. We are all adults, not there Momma to protect them from the big bad world. This world of everybody wins the game & gets an award so they don't feel bad is insulting to those who worked & put in the practice. It isn't reality.

Way to many newbies come in with fantasy filled head of the lies of how this all works. They obviously need a dose of reality to prevent major mistake they may regret for the rest of their lives. Hard lessons learned by those who experienced it. If your goal is to build a new cam site to protect them it won't work. I've worked in the corporate world, it is just as harsh.

Sam

Aurora14
08-27-2015, 02:07 PM
Running a solo site or cam site is a major endeavor & I have been there when others have opened cam sites & had a TEAM of people yet they had to work 24/7. That kind of stress & amount of work isn't healthy for anyone, dream big. Yes, Dream big, but work on the smaller parts & get great at them before launching the bigger issue.




Years ago when I joined SW there are a major demand from performers for a female ran cam site, but have not seen that demand or calling in the past couple of years. You are trying to answer a need that isn't there at this point of the industry. Not questioning your intentions or abilities, but telling time wise & career wise this probably isn't the best way to invest your time & energy into at this time.



The demand for female run services has lessened because we now have them. Here are a ton of services just on this forum. (I know I missed some)

BoleynModels/Instant Pay: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?189264-The-BoleynModels-InstantPay-Thread
Live Cam Model Shows: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?192874-My-Site-For-Independent-Camgirls
Cam Concierge: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?191216-Introducing-My-New-Site-Cam-Concierge
Project Maenad: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?192827-Project-Maenad-LAUNCHED!-Secure-file-sharing-for-camgirls!
FreeWebCams Studio: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?196156-New-free-chat-website/page2&highlight=freewebcams
IwantClips.com: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?192091-Iwantclips-dot-com-thoughts-on-this/page4&highlight=customs4u
The dating App: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?199671-Recruiting-Cam-Girls-to-help-Promote-a-new-Dating-App
HawtBits: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?197720-official-HawtBits-com-Beta-thread!

*I did not include Model Centro because I believe Natalie is just a rep, not the owner. Same with Customs4U, I think Petra Ann is just a rep. Let me know if I'm wrong and I can edit accordingly.

When you go through those threads the ones that are thought out, address issues/ questions/ suggestions, are transparent and to the point, and professional, are the best received. There was one that I tried to find (but couldn't) because the OP took all criticisms personally, got all off topic by bringing up previous unrelated issues, and the thread spiraled into mess. I don't want to see your thread go that way anymore. You have good ideas, but they need to be better thought out and expanded on. There are tons of experienced models and entripeneurs (I know it is spelled wrong) chiming in and trying to help you out in here. Don't take their criticisms as personal attacks and take advantage of the free advice and all the questions. It can make the difference between whether or not you have success.

Tsani
08-27-2015, 02:20 PM
Just a note about Cam Concierge: it might be going away, at least partially. I'm coming to the realization that I can't afford the hosting required to run the forums anymore (my budget hosting account won't cut it) and it wasn't being used enough to justify the costs. I have, however, begun the process of moving the model listings to a site marketed to customers and I might bring the model resources site back up (redesigned) if there's a need for it, but there really doesn't seem to be.

/end threadjack. But the point I'm trying to make here is that the realities of this business are far harsher than the dreams we come up with. Also, I waited until I had at least a beta version of the site up and running before I made the announcement in here. It's really really hard to get a positive response here when there's nothing to show.

Bootsie
08-29-2015, 12:50 PM
First off, thank you for having tact. I appreciate that and you taking the time to speak your mind.
I think once the objective is seen visually, it will make more sense and people will see why a larger site isn't what would help the most. There's a large creative motivation behind this and I can see it in my head but cannot fully do it justice once I've created it. It's a concept I've not seen done and I want to test it. It's possible, initially, for me to have that happen and gauge those results.

Btw, I do have a marketer/promoter/affiliate Goddess. That's the first thing I'm outsourcing. This is a learning experience and something I want to create.

Projects, Art, Ideas...simply healthy coping skills. Whatever I didn't write about my Depression I would throw out. And it's common for most to feel positive after helping another.

There are actually a few sites I've seen similar to the concept of what I'm aiming for but not with the creativity or specific direction. There seems to be activity as well.

The best way I'm going to figure out how this will end up is simply to delve into it and figure it out myself. I get people are warning me but the concept is still evolving so its hard to say what may work and what may not. Part of this is also an addition to building solo sites so it ties in with something I already do and produce results. I have options and back up plans.

The issue I had was being grossly misquoted and statements that were meant to specifically be insulting. How does that help? I was moreso just confused people would actually make an effort to be that...malicious?

I've had my visions and passions in life judged a lot. I'm actually used to it. I've had to get creative in my life to problem solve and in ways that were unconventional. I can't not try something out because really no one's ever sure what the outcome is. A bit philosophical, yes, but doubting myself and hesitating were much more detrimental. What's important is that I can support myself and not let a concept sabotage what is working for me but I have to see for myself if it's not possible first or it will bug me for a long time.

Share that 'tact' you found...it seemed to help that little bump in the road.

I'm sure you have more gold in your continued replies, but as you seem to be accusing me of twisting your words, I would be happy to post the full text of your PMs (via screenshots so you can't accuse me of tampering with the text) with your permission.

Also, I have not shanked you, punched you in the face, or taken out a hit on your family. I am a militant realist. It's too bad I don't have either Sam's experience or way with words, but she and I are essentially saying the same thing. You say you are not going to be making money on this, but are planning to outsource. So how will you pay for that? You are confused about why girls are cautious, and you haven't bothered to research your competition or other recently-started sites. I genuinely have no idea why someone who appears to have no history running successful businesses is jumping in at the deep end, but that's on you. Do not, however, attempt to paint me and other people with questions you can't answer as assholes for asking. Have you stopped to notice that you haven't actually answered anyone's questions with solid information? Rather than getting defensive and upset, take time to think about WHY you can't or won't answer those questions. I'm not the only one asking them, either. Think on that before you type out another rant about being an artist and a creator who is going to make miracles for the girls who sign up.

Also, thanks for comparing "tough love" to rape and abuse. Because nobody can ever be critical of anyone without violence involved, obviously. Again my offer stands to post your PMs so that neither you nor I can twist your words. Also, my name is "Bootsie", not "someone", in case you were confused.

JaneBurgess
08-29-2015, 03:02 PM
Congrats! H was telling me about this the other day. I think it's amazing you are opening a cam site and I am super happy a cam performer is running it.



Breaking news...my dream came true. After speaking with a software developer and some logistics I now have the license to run streaming software and manage a cam site.
It can also be used additionally as a plug in for solo sites as a way to show live cam on your own page. I am being particular about the start up and looking for ladies with certain experience and discipline. There's a 65% payout, catering towards higher rates, and kink/fetish friendly.

Initially I want to start out with no more than 25-30 ladies when the site is more established. At this time during testing and development I'm looking for a few ladies who have sites or are looking for an alternative.

So, it exists. It's small at first but it's only me doing all of this. I'm trying to spread the word and also was pushed to actively do something about the recent SM fiasco and figure now would be a time to change things and do what I can.

And I have an investor for outside traffic but aside from time and energy, this costs only my sanity really.

JaneBurgess
08-29-2015, 03:09 PM
I'll explain the FWC's stuff to you since I was involved in it. Like you I had super good intentions but sadly that isn't always enough. You seem really committed and excited about this project so stick with it. You can't please everyone, that's just an impossible task.

I also don't see what a mental illness has to do with this at all. Tons of people have a mental illness and kick ass at work. Did I miss something? I'll PM you



I have no idea what the FreeWebCams thing was but from the way people are acting, I'd offer hugs but I'd probably get stabbed. So, I'm sorry something happened to affect things but I know nothing of it.

The more I learn about what works and what doesn't more tangible info will be available but at this point I don't even know if I want to share it. Like seriously, I don't want to bring up bad memories or something. But dang, if I weren't so determined this would be really effective at discouraging ideas and trying/learning things.

SweetJulia
08-29-2015, 03:13 PM
OP I'm happy for you and hope it turns out well. But take my case into consideration:when I go on box sites, I trade part of my earnings for built in traffic. I do wl, despite people not leaving feedback. When I do indie, I advertise on sites that bring the client directly to me. I've found ways for them to pay me without needing to go to a server like yours. So I guess I don't see what the benefit is to going through you for someone like myself. PS you may be getting some backlash cuz you're following the last similar business created by a performer where some girls didn't get money they were owed and I'm sorry for that.

loveshooks
08-30-2015, 01:34 AM
LB, first off want to state that I consider you a wicked member of this forum. You contribute a lot here and you're awesome peeps. For those reasons I'm genuinely surprised that you chose your specific approach with this thread. Chicas asking for details and who/what/where/why/how answers are not your enemies; operating from the premise that we're all on the same side we all need access to the same info, and speaking from experience here you will benefit immensely from critique/questions/suggestions as you build your site.

In terms of the value of female-run businesses, it's really not about gender but rather about perspective. A female operating a business without an innate understanding of our work/interests isn't in and of itself valuable, it's about how female run businesses can shape and flourish in furtherance of cam chica needs based on an understanding of the the work we all do. You can't be 'top down' with that approach though, embrace questions and critiques of your plan as valuable resources that benefit rather than detract from your end goal. If you want to respect performers and serve our/their interests you can't be obtuse or reluctant in communication.

I'm a chica and I run a site, to me I honestly fail to see the relevance of being female. Queen Mary 1, Margaret Thatcher and Elena Ceaușescu were female, as are several IM reps; being a woman does not inherently imply ethics and fairness. It's not about an absence of a y chromosome, it's what you/me/we can do to contribute to this industry regardless of gender in ways that further our collective interests. Making paper on our terms. Make that your focus, engage with peeps as you put this together and the rest will follow,

In terms of what to expect when you start out, make sure you have enough savings to cover months of payouts if need be (banks are totally unaccountable, at the beginning of my site it took over 4 months for me to receive my first bank deposit, thanks to personal savings I was able to pay everyone out in the meantime) and that you're prepared for the stress as well as the delight of running something that makes you accountable to others.

Expect ups and downs, expect further bank payment fuckups that require you to draw on personal savings if need be, expect to work harder than you ever have but also enjoy every moment of it. You can't let emotional stuff enter into your work though, nothing you've been through or are going through is relevant to peeps who need to get paid on time and in full for work performed in good faith. None of that matters to chicas who log in to free chat on your domain. That's where a thorough parsing of your biz plan on sw is invaluable.

Accountable to others though; a key phrase. Embrace that philosophy now. We're all on the same side here. Dialogue is not an attack, rather an integral step in every aspect of your biz plan and conduct once you launch your site.

Once you get your site together, for real drop the emotional stuff and come back on point with a solid business plan once you've worked all that out. There is a time and place for 'feels' ish about your life and history (absolutely there are wicked friendships to be made in this business, talk about that ish there) but first and foremost we're business peeps and we're all here for money. Nothing else is relevant in any way.

When you're ready to fill sw in and rock out a sound plan I hope you come back. The big box industry could definitely use some new blood so I hope you pull this off.

Sincerely wishing you tremendous success.

space_cowgirl
08-30-2015, 11:36 AM
"Accountable to others though; a key phrase. Embrace that philosophy now. We're all on the same side here. Dialogue is not an attack, rather an integral step in every aspect of your biz plan and conduct once you launch your site."

This.

Also, I highly recommend reading through the freewebcams thread to learn how NOT to treat people you work with.

SuperPookie
08-31-2015, 10:56 AM
I'm not a candidate for your site so I just want to say good luck and that I hope you do great!