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chanzep
04-24-2022, 11:03 PM
I can't really get good pics but this is smiling and at rest. The line is actually longer than it looks here but the light hides it a bit.
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Doesn't look bad are you planning to get fillers?.

JessaJade
04-25-2022, 02:20 AM
^It looks worse in real life, I can't get the angle right to show how the lines extend outside the eye corner. No I decided against tear trough fillers even though my eyes are very hollow underneath.
I was just showing the lines that can't be helped with botox, the outer crows feet lines get reduced but these ones don't.

Cutie101
04-25-2022, 03:41 AM
I can't really get good pics but this is smiling and at rest. The line is actually longer than it looks here but the light hides it a bit.
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From what I know, lower blepharoplasty is the answer, because I have been looking into this issue. Basically, they remove the extra skin that causes sagginess and pulls the skin up, making it look wrinkle free. Altough, your eye looks pretty normal (I have this problem too and been noticing since I am 23, I am 29 now and it looks the same). But it's worth to look more into this procedure and see if you can use it.

Genoveve
04-25-2022, 05:11 PM
I think after I finally finish decorating my place I'm going to reward myself by finally trying (facial) botox. I'm gonna find a place that does lasers too so I can get a consultation because my friend said a laser would be best for my undereye lines.

Well I changed my mind. I was looking at my face in the mirror last night and I barely have any forehead wrinkles even with extreme eyebrow raising and there's zero outer eye wrinkles. I'll still try a lip flip though.

Genoveve
04-29-2022, 02:11 PM
I have an unpopular opinion. You know how some women get botox into their masseter muscles to help with headaches and teeth grinding? And how a lot of times the teeth grinding causes overdevelopment of the masseter muscles leading to a really square jaw that softens or slims down once they start with the botox and stop using those muscles as much? They always consider the jaw slimming to be an improvement in their appearance, but I almost always like how they looked before with the really square jaw lol.

Raven88
04-29-2022, 03:01 PM
^ I think there are two schools of thought on this. I have heard of people going to opposite way (wanting more structure) to deal with sagging that happens. (jowls) I think this accomplished by filler if I'm not mistaken ?

Raven88
04-29-2022, 03:06 PM
^It looks worse in real life, I can't get the angle right to show how the lines extend outside the eye corner. No I decided against tear trough fillers even though my eyes are very hollow underneath.
I was just showing the lines that can't be helped with botox, the outer crows feet lines get reduced but these ones don't.

A prescription tretinoin applied diligently will work. Mine are gone after 5 months of use.

kamiliam
04-29-2022, 08:14 PM
I have an unpopular opinion. You know how some women get botox into their masseter muscles to help with headaches and teeth grinding? And how a lot of times the teeth grinding causes overdevelopment of the masseter muscles leading to a really square jaw that softens or slims down once they start with the botox and stop using those muscles as much? They always consider the jaw slimming to be an improvement in their appearance, but I almost always like how they looked before with the really square jaw lol.


when people say they are getting Botox for medical reasons 1. They are but it is being injected by someone not considering just or any aesthetic reasons so it looks wonky. Dealing with insurance when you normally don’t bill isn’t something a person who specializes in cosmetic work is gonna push. Some do for sure. 2. They might suffer from migraines/grinding but go to someone who focuses on the look. In that case there is some sort of disconnect with the injector and you get a weird look. I go to my doctor because she is honest and tells me when I will approach an unbalanced look. It’s all fixable.

Got 34 units of Botox the other day. I was way over due. I’m super happy, but the second it kicked in I got a noticeable uptick in trolls calling me old on cam. I know they are just trolls but it made me think if the super rested look is now just as associated with aging as wrinkles are? I’ve been getting Botox since my mid 20s, always like clockwork (baring early pandemic) so it hasn’t been this dramatic in a minute despite getting way more units previous times.

Genoveve
05-02-2022, 05:36 PM
Got 34 units of Botox the other day. I was way over due. I’m super happy, but the second it kicked in I got a noticeable uptick in trolls calling me old on cam. I know they are just trolls but it made me think if the super rested look is now just as associated with aging as wrinkles are? I’ve been getting Botox since my mid 20s, always like clockwork (baring early pandemic) so it hasn’t been this dramatic in a minute despite getting way more units previous times.

What I have noticed with my friends (in their forties) who get heavy botox is that while they look totally normal in person, in photos they will have that stereotypical botoxed, frozen look. So since it's something that I feel like does display differently on camera, it might not be that you look "old" but rather you just look like you have botox, which they associate with being older. Also my friends in person look significantly younger than they are, it's just a weird camera thing.

kamiliam
05-02-2022, 06:02 PM
What I have noticed with my friends (in their forties) who get heavy botox is that while they look totally normal in person, in photos they will have that stereotypical botoxed, frozen look. So since it's something that I feel like does display differently on camera, it might not be that you look "old" but rather you just look like you have botox, which they associate with being older. Also my friends in person look significantly younger than they are, it's just a weird camera thing.



that’s what I was thinking. I’m still relearning my forehead makeup for work with the Botox working away again. I think I had too much setting powder on my smooth forehead. Previously I was adjusting to the horizontal lines on my forehead that I’ve hated since hs. I do want it to be mostly frozen there so I fully own that look. I have other signs of age that I really don’t have a problem with.

it should be a lot less botoxy in a week or so. I have fast metabolism with the stuff.

neverendingkneebruises
05-05-2022, 08:35 PM
Does anyone here have experience with cheek filler? I'm already an oval face shape with prominent natural cheekbones (think young Monica (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nxwfIpniMDA/XSf6reBOhwI/AAAAAAAB_ig/6UlndnBF5TUjTnryAEe_keU7UAOOAvF9wCLcBGAs/s1600/Young%2BMonica%2BBellucci%2B%25280%2529.jpg) Bellucci (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/e2/5f/1ae25f1f3f642ac2a200040386836808.jpg)) but I'm wondering if with cheek filler I can get Zoe Kravitz (https://assets.vogue.com/photos/622af4080c75bb354d9185ef/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/MCDBATM_WB031%2520.jpg) level. I don't want a lot in there at ALL but am mostly concerned about long time effects of Juvederm in the face (I have it in my lips but that's it). Any input is appreciated :)

Daily beauty random- had neglected eyebrow waxing for eyebrow razors for about a year and recently got them rewaxed again; jesus I'm never going back lol. The edges look so much cleaner and my face is framed better.

ava$
05-05-2022, 09:25 PM
I can't really get good pics but this is smiling and at rest. The line is actually longer than it looks here but the light hides it a bit.
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Ugh, I have those too but recently got Botox around eyes and filler in Uber eyes and cannot complain about them anymore, there not so bad. I’m still swollen tho so I guess I’ll have to wait n c how they look after it goes down.

Cutie101
05-05-2022, 09:50 PM
Does anyone here have experience with cheek filler? I'm already an oval face shape with prominent natural cheekbones (think young Monica (https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nxwfIpniMDA/XSf6reBOhwI/AAAAAAAB_ig/6UlndnBF5TUjTnryAEe_keU7UAOOAvF9wCLcBGAs/s1600/Young%2BMonica%2BBellucci%2B%25280%2529.jpg) Bellucci (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1a/e2/5f/1ae25f1f3f642ac2a200040386836808.jpg)) but I'm wondering if with cheek filler I can get Zoe Kravitz (https://assets.vogue.com/photos/622af4080c75bb354d9185ef/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/MCDBATM_WB031%2520.jpg) level. I don't want a lot in there at ALL but am mostly concerned about long time effects of Juvederm in the face (I have it in my lips but that's it). Any input is appreciated :)



You might wanna see about Zoe Kravitz before and afters. She basically had implants and modified her whole face to look like that (skip to minute 3, to get over the "this clip was sponsored by bla bla").


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxuzooH9t0M

Cutie101
05-05-2022, 09:52 PM
Also, you might wanna see the long term effects of too much fillers in the cheeks, to make sure you take the right decisions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc-B4tH1ayg

kamiliam
05-05-2022, 10:03 PM
You might wanna see about Zoe Kravitz before and afters. She basically had implants and modified her whole face to look like that (skip to minute 3, to get over the "this clip was sponsored by bla bla").


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxuzooH9t0M

Zoe seems to have gotten the buccal fat removal, very in with 'young hollywood" right now. They will regret that me thinks.

cheek filer will have different limits from what I have seen. It matters whether you are creating a cheek or if you are filling out the existing structure that has lost volume. Seems to migrate when there isn't a place for it to fill.

ava$
05-05-2022, 10:17 PM
I just got one syringe in my cheeks, one side was more deflated than the other so the majority of the vial went over there. They are slightly swollen atm but I like how it looks I feel like after the swelling goes down it will look good. I got restelyn. It looks natural too, I hate that Courtney cox look it’s way too much

Cutie101
05-05-2022, 10:27 PM
Zoe seems to have gotten the buccal fat removal, very in with 'young hollywood" right now. They will regret that me thinks.

cheek filer will have different limits from what I have seen. It matters whether you are creating a cheek or if you are filling out the existing structure that has lost volume. Seems to migrate when there isn't a place for it to fill.

Yeah this and also had ponytail lift too and implants into her chin, to look more pointy. I had a chubby face in my early 20's, basically my face was a baloon on a petite body. Thank god i couldn't afford a buccal fat removal, because now I'd have regret it, I would have looked older. I turn 30 this year and my face fat is dissolving naturally, while finally having some contour and still look young, like early 20's.
That vid is super good to watch, it shows exactly what she might have done. And I learn for the future, hahaha!

Cutie101
05-05-2022, 10:29 PM
I just got one syringe in my cheeks, one side was more deflated than the other so the majority of the vial went over there. They are slightly swollen atm but I like how it looks I feel like after the swelling goes down it will look good. I got restelyn. It looks natural too, I hate that Courtney cox look it’s way too much

Yeah, that's what the vid says, she got fillers when she was supposed to get a face lift, because they tried to lift a saggy skin with fillers, which is wrong. Fillers are for early signs of aging, then we gotta get a face lift, or we'll end up like her.
Thankfully, filler dissolvers exist nowadays and we can correct it, if it goes wrong.

neverendingkneebruises
05-12-2022, 02:43 PM
Beauty random of the day - I'm going to start waxing my arms I think, my hair there isn't dark or thick by any means but I really think small details like that will make my skin look and feel even more soft and pristine :) And I don't think it'd hurt so much to do on my own like other parts of my body, LOL

Also, I just picked up some of these glitter body oils (https://colourpop.com/products/shimmering-dry-oil) and OMGG! Summer game changer!!! They smell AMAZING as well!!! I love small details that add a little extra oomph and these are perfect :)

AuroraJade
05-13-2022, 11:57 AM
I have an unpopular opinion. You know how some women get botox into their masseter muscles to help with headaches and teeth grinding? And how a lot of times the teeth grinding causes overdevelopment of the masseter muscles leading to a really square jaw that softens or slims down once they start with the botox and stop using those muscles as much? They always consider the jaw slimming to be an improvement in their appearance, but I almost always like how they looked before with the really square jaw lol.

Ive done this! Clench your jaw and feel those muscles on the side of your face. Those slim down with masseter botox. I pay for it myself but I did it 90% for medical reasons: I have really bad TMJ.

The change is gradually. Its not like lip fillers where you are like wow you've done something to your face. With TMJ you also need to go multiple times because the muscle is so thick.

Ive not done it in two years now. Imagine having chipmunk cheeks. Thats what I have now, lol. Its not so much 'square jaw' but more thick cheeks from the muscle. Its def an improvement in your appearance but its very subtle.

I wanna try the lipflip too. Heard it makes a big difference. One thing thats holding me back is the fact that I heard you can't really drink from straws when you've done it...

whirlerz
05-16-2022, 07:52 AM
So, I was looking at Allure mag, (Best of Beauty issue) I came across virtual consult to get tretinoin prescription while you are at home.
It's about 30.00 a month, they have a trial size set of products for 6.00 including shipping.
You answer ?'s take 3 no makeup selfies & that's it.
support.withagency.com Agency Future Formula w/tretinoin

You can also read about it, allure.com Best of Beauty, Big Breakthroughs


Ok, I got the sample kit ^.. I'm not really gonna sign up tho, I got this (on the way from Nordy's)
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Don't really want to shell out 360 a year, it may be too strong anyway..

Currently using a 2% vegan retinol product, (it stings a little, I use it more than once a day tho, alternate w/ reg face oil) moving up a bit (strength wise) to above product, so we'll see when I get it..

kimbe
05-17-2022, 01:10 PM
Beauty random of the day - I'm going to start waxing my arms I think, my hair there isn't dark or thick by any means but I really think small details like that will make my skin look and feel even more soft and pristine :) And I don't think it'd hurt so much to do on my own like other parts of my body, LOL



You should, I love having hair free arms! :)

Cutie101
05-17-2022, 01:40 PM
I bought 2 weeks ago, this lip balm: https://www.artdeco.com/en/color-booster-lip-balm-8-255905 I never had a colored lip balm, except something from Nivea, so anyway, I wanted to try something new. I picked the nude shade. And... WOW. I became addicted. I bought it to use it after I apply foundation, before the lipstick but... the balm itself LOOKS like a lipstick, only that it looks just like my lips and it doesn't smudge! I do not have a natural lips contour and I often considered getting them tattooed or a lil filler plump and this balm is... tinted in the natural color so it gives me that natural contour.

I ordered 4 more, I am gonna have one everywhere and most likely use lipstick only at work. No more lip liners and lipsticks when I go out, just this and my natural lips!!!

I'll take a pic eventually with a before/ after, to see the difference. It's just... WOW!

chanzep
05-17-2022, 06:57 PM
Those look good. I have not any new makeup for ages. I'm always at home

JessaJade
05-20-2022, 02:59 PM
From what I know, lower blepharoplasty is the answer, because I have been looking into this issue. Basically, they remove the extra skin that causes sagginess and pulls the skin up, making it look wrinkle free. Altough, your eye looks pretty normal (I have this problem too and been noticing since I am 23, I am 29 now and it looks the same). But it's worth to look more into this procedure and see if you can use it.

You're absolutely right about this. Its loss of volume under my eyes that's left the skin without support so it is now essentially excess skin. Probably a mini bleph (skin pinch) would do the trick.

Genoveve
05-24-2022, 04:30 PM
1.) I hate how with my red hair sometimes when I curl it I end up looking like Peg Bundy when I was going for Angie Everhart and 2.) I'm probably the palest I have been in years right now and I am not a fan. I think it looks fine in person and on cam my face looks fine, but on cam obviously my body looks a million times better with a good tan. Plus on cam my body looks like a smurf's too because I'm one of those people that's so pale that I'm clear, and I'm really veiny so with no tan I'm basically blue. It's a pain dressing myself too because with a tan there's so many more colors that look good on me. Usually in the summer I like to wear a bunch of golden outfits on cam with lots of gold body jewelry, I like to wear really yellowy greens, turquoise, violet, oranges.... I can wear so many bolder makeup colors with a tan too than I can pale.

Unfortunately with where I live now I have nowhere private to lay out. I have a big ass yard but it's open and flat and there's like 4 different houses that look onto it. I was thinking maybe if I cut a pair of shorts up really small and lay out in those plus a sports bra then it won't look too raunchy. I just hate having anything other than a thong tanline on my ass. :grumpy:

chanzep
05-24-2022, 09:30 PM
Maybe do some fake tanner.

kimbe
05-25-2022, 12:38 AM
Unfortunately with where I live now I have nowhere private to lay out. I have a big ass yard but it's open and flat and there's like 4 different houses that look onto it. I was thinking maybe if I cut a pair of shorts up really small and lay out in those plus a sports bra then it won't look too raunchy. I just hate having anything other than a thong tanline on my ass. :grumpy:

I have access to a shared pool area, however it's usually very quiet during daytime (weekdays). I won't wear a pure thong, but I do take the chance to squeeze my bikini bottom "in between" to minimize tan lines.

Being "allergic" to tan lines, I do visit the tanning bed regularly to even them out. It doesn't need to take many minutes though.

(I won't be an advocate for the extensive use of tanning beds, but I do think the opinions on them has become too polarized and doesn't need to be crazy dangerous if used wisely.)

Genoveve
05-25-2022, 12:51 AM
^^^I like tanning beds but I ain’t driving to one. I also hate fake tanner with an unhealthy passion.

whirlerz
06-02-2022, 01:09 PM
Where to buy RX retionoids online, w/o prescription
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/where-buy-rx-retinoids-online-225709895.html

kimbe
06-02-2022, 01:47 PM
^^^I like tanning beds but I ain’t driving to one. I also hate fake tanner with an unhealthy passion.

Here there’s tanning salons everywhere, but I don’t know how it is at your place though…

LoveyD
06-04-2022, 07:51 PM
I really enjoy listening to those subliminal beauty meditation videos on YouTube. I play them at night before I fall asleep.

rosietta
06-15-2022, 04:07 PM
Cinnamon tea is a new discovery for me, I have leveled my blood sugar and I look and feel much better!

charlie61
06-15-2022, 05:18 PM
Cinnamon tea is a new discovery for me, I have leveled my blood sugar and I look and feel much better!

Do you have a recommendation for a good Ceylon cinnamon tea? I know the more common type has been tied to liver stuff.

caramelcraze
06-24-2022, 10:56 PM
what's your favorite brand of invisible band strip lashes?

Genoveve
08-20-2022, 03:57 PM
I might have to go back to being blonde. I like the red hair and I love not having to go to a salon but the upkeep and the fact that I can't match my eyebrows to it is annoying. The upkeep is annoying because I like my hair to be that gingery, brassy color that the dye fades to after being washed enough times (and my natural color isn't light enough for initially ginger dye to work on it), but my roots look so awful with red hair that by the time it fades to the right color it's time to dye it again so it's back to being unnaturally vivid red. I am going to try just dying the roots next time, but that's going to be impossible for the back of my head where I can't see them.

As far as the brows, I have dyed them with the hair dye and even though it's permanent dye it only lasts for literally one day. When I use brow products that match the hair dye they still look too dark and up close it's very obvious where the brow product is placed because of the color differentiation so up close they look jacked. I usually just settle for non-matching brows and use my regular brown brow product, and normally I like brows that are darker than the hair and I think it looks fine in person, but on camera brows that match the red hair definitely look better.

AvaJade
09-01-2022, 01:34 AM
Cinnamon tea is a new discovery for me, I have leveled my blood sugar and I look and feel much better!

I've got into the habit of sprinkling cinnamon onto food a couple of times a day - usually porridge, yogurt, a smoothie or something else it would naturally go with anyway. I don't know if theres a noticeable benefit but it tastes nice and theres also no downside so have kept doing it.


Skincare - I started with retinol, finally. I avoided it for years out of a fear it would ruin my sensitive skin ( I have some mild rosacea too), but recently saw a new dr for botox who is also a dermatologist and he told me retinol is actually good for rosacea!

He recommended two brands they use at his clinic (ZO and Environ) but I decided to try the Dermalogica overnight retinol and so far so good. No results yet but more importantly for me, no adverse reaction. I am only applying it every 3rd night with plenty of buffer cream to dilute it so am happy to wait longer for results if it means I can avoid a major purging stage.

(BTW my username was previously JessaJade - lost access to my old email)

Vyanka
09-07-2022, 01:23 PM
Do you have a recommendation for a good Ceylon cinnamon tea? I know the more common type has been tied to liver stuff.


Numi and Tazo brands has some good ones. But not sure which cinnamon tho, so I don't drink it everyday.

whirlerz
09-07-2022, 02:12 PM
I did a face peel last night, Dr Dennis Gross.

I have prescription retinol, I use a small amount..
I also use Alpha H brand vit. A, C (got a starter kit w/a few things.

& I just got Pacifica brand retinol, it comes out of the dropper too much.

I like a retinol oil from Sephora

trustfundkiller
09-07-2022, 07:06 PM
I ordered this bronzer called Bahama Mama from theBalm on Amazon. I'm really excited to try it out. The advertising claims that it doesn't have any orange undertones which is great bc I'm currently traumatized from a Gucci bronzer I bought that looks awful on me, and my skin is pale at the moment. NARS Laguna bronzer has been my go-to bronzer for almost 10 years. I'm wanting to experiment and try other options but so far nothing has beat it.

indiegirl
09-12-2022, 04:59 PM
I ordered this bronzer called Bahama Mama from theBalm on Amazon. I'm really excited to try it out. The advertising claims that it doesn't have any orange undertones which is great bc I'm currently traumatized from a Gucci bronzer I bought that looks awful on me, and my skin is pale at the moment. NARS Laguna bronzer has been my go-to bronzer for almost 10 years. I'm wanting to experiment and try other options but so far nothing has beat it.

I've had bahama mama from the balm on amazon for yearrrrrss :). Love it.

Has anyone heard of wegovy injections for weight loss? Sheryl Underwood lost 90 lbs from using this. Crazy! Edit: Oh it seems it triggers something in your brain that deals with hunger. I don't have that problem :(.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11204069/The-Talk-host-Sheryl-Underwood-shed-90lbs-250lb-frame-Wegovy-injections.html

trustfundkiller
09-13-2022, 10:07 PM
I've had bahama mama from the balm on amazon for yearrrrrss :). Love it.


I'm loving it so far! Definitely no orangey/reddish undertones and on the same level as my beloved NARS bronzer. I think I'll be sticking Bahama Mama from now on!

AvaJade
09-16-2022, 01:57 AM
I did a face peel last night, Dr Dennis Gross.

I have prescription retinol, I use a small amount..
I also use Alpha H brand vit. A, C (got a starter kit w/a few things.

& I just got Pacifica brand retinol, it comes out of the dropper too much.

I like a retinol oil from Sephora

Do you see good results from the retinols you've used? How long did it take to see a difference?

I read so much about people reacting strongly to retinol so am really surprised that my skin has tolerated it. It's an OTC one that I'm using, but supposed to be fairly potent.

It's been 3 weeks now and I have gradually increased the amount and am now applying it every second night. My skin looks just a bit more glowy and I have had a few small breakouts but nothing drastic.

I think my skin was in decent condition to begin with (I started retinol to address a few lines around my eyes and overall just refine my skin as opposed to any severe scarring etc) so maybe there's less to purge? Really hope I'm not speaking too soon!

carmen_b
09-17-2022, 09:05 AM
^ I do it every 3-4 days.
I like it. Skin feels really smooth a couple days after it.
I can't seem to tolerate more than that so I just stick with roughly that often.

AvaJade
09-17-2022, 12:04 PM
^What happens if you overdo it? Peeling, breakouts? Which one do you use?

Genoveve
10-01-2022, 12:06 PM
As far as the brows, I have dyed them with the hair dye and even though it's permanent dye it only lasts for literally one day. When I use brow products that match the hair dye they still look too dark and up close it's very obvious where the brow product is placed because of the color differentiation so up close they look jacked. I usually just settle for non-matching brows and use my regular brown brow product, and normally I like brows that are darker than the hair and I think it looks fine in person, but on camera brows that match the red hair definitely look better.

I figured out a solution for this. I found an orangey mascara on Amazon that does the trick.

lynn2009
10-04-2022, 09:17 AM
Does anyone wash your hands before applying any skincare product? Right now I do but I only regularly cleanse, moisturize right after and occasionally use retinol. I'm thinking about using a serum, if I wait 5 minutes or so in-between products and touch normal household items (door knobs, tv remote), should I be washing my hands each time?

Cutie101
10-04-2022, 07:10 PM
Does anyone wash your hands before applying any skincare product? Right now I do but I only regularly cleanse, moisturize right after and occasionally use retinol. I'm thinking about using a serum, if I wait 5 minutes or so in-between products and touch normal household items (door knobs, tv remote), should I be washing my hands each time?

Yes you should wash your hands each time... ofc no need to wash them for 2 minutes, like a surgeon, but a quick wash is indicated, yes... or use a wet wipe, or even a cotton pad with some micellar water :))) I sometimes do that, I rub it between my fingers and wipe my hands haha.

charlie61
10-08-2022, 11:43 AM
I feel like one of the big differences between cheap makeup and slightly pricey makeup (think of a brand like colourpop vs. Charlotte Tilbury) is that the pricier brands put more thought and research into undertones. I don't think luxury brands are usually worth the money, but the mid-range stuff seems to be consistently more flattering. Am i crazy?

charlie61
10-08-2022, 11:47 AM
Current obsession is using oil on my length and ends before washing my hair. I feel like doing this consistently is already making a big difference in my hair health. I oil my hair anywhere from 1-8 hours before i wash, just depending on what i have going on that day. And then wash normally. Seems like a game-changer for long hair when done consistently. I don't think the type of oil really matters, though I'm using lighter oils since my hair is fine (argan, jojoba, sweet almond, apricot, Ayurvedic blends...)