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DancesWithSloths
10-29-2016, 06:50 AM
Ever since I've clicked on CandiceS' SM links above, the site is in Portuguese.. and It wont reset to English..
Help please?

Do a force-refresh on your browser:

Windows: ctrl + F5
Mac/Apple: Apple + R or command + R
Linux: F5

imelly21
10-29-2016, 07:27 AM
Do a force-refresh on your browser:

Windows: ctrl + F5
Mac/Apple: Apple + R or command + R
Linux: F5
thanks. I tried but that did not work. there was stuff in the link after.com I took it out.
That fixed it

christylive
10-29-2016, 07:35 AM
ive been on and off camming and sm and cb in general out of the 3.5 years ive been doing sex work ( when i havent been camming ive been full time PSOing) . i kind of regret not sticking to it and pushing thru it because things have changed a lot theres so much saturation now compared to before but at the same time i couldnt handle it because i was fighting with my inner demons and wasnt emotionally strong enuogh to deal with it and really didnt understand what it took to be successful. i started off as one of those models who thought i could make 100 a day to start off no problem just be pretty and cute and 'show up' and then be able to work up to a few 100 a day in a few hours with time . i dont know how many thought that and are still around because no one else but me as far as i know really talks about that on these boards. . i still dont think all hope is lost tho because the thing is so many models give up because its not the fast easy money the media and the cam site /studio marketing tactics shell it out to be so they give up but the ones that stick around make it . audritwo and me started out around the same time and shes never taken a super long brake like i have from sm and look where she is so thats just one example . it might take longer then it used to get to her status or any other model thats pretty much locked in the first 4 rows on page 1 but its not impossible. Just stick with it find ur hustle find ur sweet $ spot find ur sweet time slot have a nice setting behind you look presentable and ull be ok


I love this so much Snowy!!!

Mare
10-29-2016, 07:43 AM
Just amazed they are still making money. It costs them bandwidth to serve so many freeloaders as well as us.

You would think they would look to reduce how much is used by the free guys. A lower quality feed pehaps 320x rather than give anyone a 720p picture if they have a card registered or not. As the bandwidth alone must be crippling them. They could reduce cost so much by only letting card holders have the top quality image. it just baffles me how so many just sit in free chat watching never talking sucking all that money out of their profits and they dont do anything about it. Just run a even higher bandwidth sucking competition.

Just ip lock limit the non account holders say 3 min there are only so many ips a vpn has. And no card details 10min but lower the picture quality they can see.

There are loads of things they could do but dont. Its why its just a tab I rarely check these days. if they want attention there then they can tip for it to get me to look at the tab.
This!!!! They should do this!!!! Makes so much sense!

Selenasecret
10-29-2016, 09:24 AM
We are literally loosing money to help pay for the bandwidth the freeloaders use on the site having a 720p pictures. Hell we even stream with mp3 192kbps stereo sound. Need to reduce the quality for anyone not paying 2100kbps or 2.1mbs. Is 0.25 of a megabyte. Times that by how many guys are watching and I bet the numbers are huge in actual megabytes per second. 3200kbps is more than enough for 1080p

I am shit at getting shows but my background setup is top notch. If hubbie cant get a stable stream then its def the site or something going on with the Internet in general. The ddos attack using webcams was massive.

~Carmen~
10-29-2016, 10:02 AM
Is anyone else getting dis-connects today? This rarely happens to me and today it has happened twice so far. Guys are telling me my stream is choppy too.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-29-2016, 10:39 AM
Is anyone else getting dis-connects today? This rarely happens to me and today it has happened twice so far. Guys are telling me my stream is choppy too.

I havent logged in for a few days, but I've started looking at a few streams since you guys have been complaining. Lots of choppy streams. And blurry ones too from models that usually are crystal clear. This new frame kinda reminds me of f4f or livejasmin, but scaled down. If that makes sense at all.

Marina Starr
10-29-2016, 10:43 AM
Have you try restarting your computer, and rebooting your modem/router?

Is anyone else getting dis-connects today? This rarely happens to me and today it has happened twice so far. Guys are telling me my stream is choppy too.

~Carmen~
10-29-2016, 10:54 AM
No but I will do that right now. Good idea!

Update: I think I fixed the problem. My connection had defaulted to wireless so I went in and disabled it. I also re-set my modem and it's all pretty smooth now.

Erika_Xstacy
10-29-2016, 03:58 PM
I wonder how many bot model accts will be in this contest? :D yippy

Selenasecret
10-29-2016, 04:10 PM
I wonder how many bot model accts will be in this contest? :D yippy

Thats why there is pussy play in free chat their software is faulty.

Genoveve
10-29-2016, 04:14 PM
One of them was sitting in free chat for two hours straight

........You spent 2 hours monitoring another girl?

Erika_Xstacy
10-29-2016, 05:38 PM
I was made aware of these accts after the last contest and it really put a bummer on me. just wtfever. I thought they were done when busted with MadisonQT

MissMoore
10-29-2016, 05:49 PM
Ugh.... is there some baseball game on right now? I don't feel like signing back in just to twiddle my thumbs in free chat.

Also... did you ladies notice your percentage in paid chat go down the past few days? Since September mine has taking a dip but the past two days have been incredibly irritating. I feel like the more I'm working the less I'm in paid.... weird. Maybe I'm on SM too much?

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 05:55 PM
........You spent 2 hours monitoring another girl?

No hon. Simply left my laptop on while I was doing other stuff. So I could hear it. Didn't spent 2 hours starring at her lmao

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 05:57 PM
Ugh.... is there some baseball game on right now? I don't feel like signing back in just to twiddle my thumbs in free chat.

Also... did you ladies notice your percentage in paid chat go down the past few days? Since September mine has taking a dip but the past two days have been incredibly irritating. I feel like the more I'm working the less I'm in paid.... weird. Maybe I'm on SM too much?

That's what I don't understand about SM. Some people say to bank you gotta put lots of hours in, some people say the less available the better...So? Lol

Marina Starr
10-29-2016, 06:06 PM
Bank is subjective. Some girls put in tons of hours to bank, some put in few and bank. Both are true.

For SM models, it's important to view everyone as individual and not go by what someone said because it all varies.


That's what I don't understand about SM. Some people say to bank you gotta put lots of hours in, some people say the less available the better...So? Lol

MissMoore
10-29-2016, 06:13 PM
That's what I don't understand about SM. Some people say to bank you gotta put lots of hours in, some people say the less available the better...So? Lol

The first time I was on SM I had to work my ass off to make decent money. Took a break for a year and came back and it was raining money on SM. lol So frustrating because I really don't know what to do to correct the issue.

I typically would only work 10-12 a week and be in paid chat no less than 68% of the time. I averaged out around 73% in paid chat when I was working less hours. I'm typically working 20 hours a week and I'm anywhere between the 50s to 60s in paid percentage chat. I can't wait for the season to gain even more momentum.

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 06:14 PM
Bank is subjective. Some girls put in tons of hours to bank, some put in few and bank. Both are true.

For SM models, it's important to view everyone as individual and not go by what someone said because it all varies.

Hmmm gotcha!

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 06:15 PM
The first time I was on SM I had to work my ass off to make decent money. Took a break for a year and came back and it was raining money on SM. lol So frustrating because I really don't know what to do to correct the issue.

I typically would only work 10-12 a week and be in paid chat no less than 68% of the time. I averaged out around 73% in paid chat when I was working less hours. I'm typically working 20 hours a week and I'm anywhere between the 50s to 60s in paid percentage chat. I can't wait for the season to gain even more momentum.

Do you mind to share your daily goal?
Banking for me is nothing less than $500 day so I would be extremely happy with that no matter how many hours lol

illuminaughty
10-29-2016, 06:36 PM
I have gone almost 3 years camming without almost any extremely rude people. I have had problems but they are so rare I forget about them. these past 2 weeks I have been having a lot of health scares / issues and so far I have had 4 rude people in free chat flip out on me and call me a worthless piece of shit etc. every shift I have worked.

One told me to get over myself and told me I'm a worthless piece of shit and said "LOL Labor" because I haven't been using toys for anal unless it is a block session because I hurt myself in a show a few weeks ago by penetrating too hard at the command of the douche who I was doing a show with. I blocked this POS right away.

Another one told me he would take me private once I was hard, and I lied and said I was. He then said he wanted to play but doesn't like getting lied to. I went on talking to other custies totally forgetting and ignoring him because he wasn't paying or chatting. I flashed my penis on mistake and after his 5 minutes of silence he write in capital letters "YOU ARE A FUCKING LYING PIECE OF SHIT I HOPE YOU FUCKING KILL YOURSELF DUMB TRANNY CUNT" I blocked him right away.

Niteflirt yesterday, I get my first 1 star. A customer called me, talked about dumb shit, didn't even buy my skype ID, I GAVE IT TO HIM FOR FREE TO DO A SHOW, and I waited on skype for him to send me a request. I said I didn't see it, and he NEVER SENT ME ONE. He then hangs up the phone, rates me 1 star, and says "i WASTED 8 BUCKS WAITING FOR HER TO SUPPOSEDLY GET HER CAM"

I contacted nireflirt support, because I didn't think this was fair at all, and the customer LIED in the comment. They responded and told me to go fuck myself basically and that they wouldn't remove the comment.

I have a totally different outlook on these assholes now. It's like as soon as I set some type of boundaries and I start acting more business oriented to get privates and less wasting my time chit chatting and draining my energy on free loaders they start raging and being totally horrible troll monsters. I had dealt with some negativity here and there, but three days in a row was enough for me to take a long break this week. It totally shit on my spirit.

I know this is just a job, but I treat people with a lot of respect and I usually have a very healthy back and forth with my customers and I have always built myself around that. I am good with people. These experiences all happening at once makes me not want to be nice to people anymore. I feel like in the back of my head "I am being nice to someone, who may tell me to kill myself in 2 seconds" and I find myself just wanting to ignore and talk about nothing but going into privates.

Marina Starr
10-29-2016, 06:47 PM
NF is almost always on the customers side.

You don't have to use toys if you don't want to. I don't do toys, I don't do much. You are a built-in fetish. We could sit at Starbucks doing cross word puzzles and men would think that's so fucking kinky. This is coming from another trans model so believe it ;D

I have gone almost 3 years camming without almost any extremely rude people. I have had problems but they are so rare I forget about them. these past 2 weeks I have been having a lot of health scares / issues and so far I have had 4 rude people in free chat flip out on me and call me a worthless piece of shit etc. every shift I have worked.

One told me to get over myself and told me I'm a worthless piece of shit and said "LOL Labor" because I haven't been using toys for anal unless it is a block session because I hurt myself in a show a few weeks ago by penetrating too hard at the command of the douche who I was doing a show with. I blocked this POS right away.

Another one told me he would take me private once I was hard, and I lied and said I was. He then said he wanted to play but doesn't like getting lied to. I went on talking to other custies totally forgetting and ignoring him because he wasn't paying or chatting. I flashed my penis on mistake and after his 5 minutes of silence he write in capital letters "YOU ARE A FUCKING LYING PIECE OF SHIT I HOPE YOU FUCKING KILL YOURSELF DUMB TRANNY CUNT" I blocked him right away.

Niteflirt yesterday, I get my first 1 star. A customer called me, talked about dumb shit, didn't even buy my skype ID, I GAVE IT TO HIM FOR FREE TO DO A SHOW, and I waited on skype for him to send me a request. I said I didn't see it, and he NEVER SENT ME ONE. He then hangs up the phone, rates me 1 star, and says "i WASTED 8 BUCKS WAITING FOR HER TO SUPPOSEDLY GET HER CAM"

I contacted nireflirt support, because I didn't think this was fair at all, and the customer LIED in the comment. They responded and told me to go fuck myself basically and that they wouldn't remove the comment.

I have a totally different outlook on these assholes now. It's like as soon as I set some type of boundaries and I start acting more business oriented to get privates and less wasting my time chit chatting and draining my energy on free loaders they start raging and being totally horrible troll monsters. I had dealt with some negativity here and there, but three days in a row was enough for me to take a long break this week. It totally shit on my spirit.

I know this is just a job, but I treat people with a lot of respect and I usually have a very healthy back and forth with my customers and I have always built myself around that. I am good with people. These experiences all happening at once makes me not want to be nice to people anymore. I feel like in the back of my head "I am being nice to someone, who may tell me to kill myself in 2 seconds" and I find myself just wanting to ignore and talk about nothing but going into privates.

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 06:54 PM
I have gone almost 3 years camming without almost any extremely rude people. I have had problems but they are so rare I forget about them. these past 2 weeks I have been having a lot of health scares / issues and so far I have had 4 rude people in free chat flip out on me and call me a worthless piece of shit etc. every shift I have worked.

One told me to get over myself and told me I'm a worthless piece of shit and said "LOL Labor" because I haven't been using toys for anal unless it is a block session because I hurt myself in a show a few weeks ago by penetrating too hard at the command of the douche who I was doing a show with. I blocked this POS right away.

Another one told me he would take me private once I was hard, and I lied and said I was. He then said he wanted to play but doesn't like getting lied to. I went on talking to other custies totally forgetting and ignoring him because he wasn't paying or chatting. I flashed my penis on mistake and after his 5 minutes of silence he write in capital letters "YOU ARE A FUCKING LYING PIECE OF SHIT I HOPE YOU FUCKING KILL YOURSELF DUMB TRANNY CUNT" I blocked him right away.

Niteflirt yesterday, I get my first 1 star. A customer called me, talked about dumb shit, didn't even buy my skype ID, I GAVE IT TO HIM FOR FREE TO DO A SHOW, and I waited on skype for him to send me a request. I said I didn't see it, and he NEVER SENT ME ONE. He then hangs up the phone, rates me 1 star, and says "i WASTED 8 BUCKS WAITING FOR HER TO SUPPOSEDLY GET HER CAM"

I contacted nireflirt support, because I didn't think this was fair at all, and the customer LIED in the comment. They responded and told me to go fuck myself basically and that they wouldn't remove the comment.

I have a totally different outlook on these assholes now. It's like as soon as I set some type of boundaries and I start acting more business oriented to get privates and less wasting my time chit chatting and draining my energy on free loaders they start raging and being totally horrible troll monsters. I had dealt with some negativity here and there, but three days in a row was enough for me to take a long break this week. It totally shit on my spirit.

I know this is just a job, but I treat people with a lot of respect and I usually have a very healthy back and forth with my customers and I have always built myself around that. I am good with people. These experiences all happening at once makes me not want to be nice to people anymore. I feel like in the back of my head "I am being nice to someone, who may tell me to kill myself in 2 seconds" and I find myself just wanting to ignore and talk about nothing but going into privates.

Honestly, if you let yourself get affected by those little cunts...Maybe it's better to think twice about camming.
I deal with them almost everyday. And please don't get me wrong, I used to get emotionally affected like you.
But once you know your worth and look yourself in the mirror and know while someone is telling you shit for nothing cause their life is miserable and that's the only way they can possibly get some attention...That means nothing.
I used to answer them and get all worked up cause I don't take shit - From anyone
However...Ignoring is the worse thing you can give to someone who wants attention. I don't need to answer shit these days cause I simply answer kindly showing how much money I am getting and by the way I look.
I have way more people telling me I am smokin hot than people telling I am fat/ugly/whore/ etc etc etc
And most of all...I THINK I am hot. You probably getting yourself affected cause your self esteem isn't good
Lift that head and know your worth girl.
If those guys were anything good they wouldn't be in a camming website looking for a woman. Think about it

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 07:06 PM
I'm less about "banking" and more about aiming for a consistent income. The nights that I "bank" are few and far between, and usually happen at random. With that said, having a $400 - $700 night has been happening at least a couple times a month for me. It's not a reasonable daily goal, but it allows for the slow nights to balance out in the end.

My perspective is more about monthly goals. Thinking broadly helps me not get so neurotic and stressed. I add up each night as I go, then make smaller realistic goals from there. So let's say I want to make $6000. If I start my month with a bang and make $750 on day 1, then that means I only need to average $250/night and work a total of 21 more days to hit my goal. It's helpful for me to break it down like that sometimes, as it makes it seem far less daunting. But on the flip side, if I start the month off with a slow night, I don't let it mess with my motivation because I know I still have all month to make up for it.

Gotcha. I always set myself a daily goal so it's kinda of hard to think this way. But I heard lots of Streamate models always set a hour goal, and then money naturally happens. I had a top model telling me this in private so that might make sense. I need to make 12K at least this month so I will have to work my ass off! Lmao. Luckily I have other eggs in the side but it would be soooo good and helpful If I could possibly have some 500+ nights on SM

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 07:09 PM
I'm less about "banking" and more about aiming for a consistent income. The nights that I "bank" are few and far between, and usually happen at random. With that said, having a $400 - $700 night has been happening at least a couple times a month for me. It's not a reasonable daily goal, but it allows for the slow nights to balance out in the end.

My perspective is more about monthly goals. Thinking broadly helps me not get so neurotic and stressed. I add up each night as I go, then make smaller realistic goals from there. So let's say I want to make $6000. If I start my month with a bang and make $750 on day 1, then that means I only need to average $250/night and work a total of 21 more days to hit my goal. It's helpful for me to break it down like that sometimes, as it makes it seem far less daunting. But on the flip side, if I start the month off with a slow night, I don't let it mess with my motivation because I know I still have all month to make up for it.


But I gotta say I am pretty impressed with your 2.500 with just 28% in private. That's really cool! What's the secret to get through the slow times? Like, you keep other sites in the background or you dance in the cam or what? I am asking cause my main site pays less but it's always busy. And I have good regs there so going through the slow times without giving up is something I REALLY need to learn

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 07:12 PM
Question: Can I get my profile deleted and get a new one? I am asking cause I am about to spend sometime overseas so I guess by the country I will be, my popularity would be bigger. Plus...I kinda of waisted my new model tag since I've been online like 3 days out of 30 lmao. Also want to get some new professional pictures this upcoming week so just wondering

gingerstcyr
10-29-2016, 07:15 PM
Screw those losers! A guy like that is so much of a loser not only can't he get a real girl to talk to him he doesn't make enough money to cam with one so he lashes out at what he will never have. Don't bring that loser, negative shit to my room. BAN!
Next. Don't let them get to you.


Honestly, if you let yourself get affected by those little cunts...Maybe it's better to think twice about camming.
I deal with them almost everyday. And please don't get me wrong, I used to get emotionally affected like you.
But once you know your worth and look yourself in the mirror and know while someone is telling you shit for nothing cause their life is miserable and that's the only way they can possibly get some attention...That means nothing.
I used to answer them and get all worked up cause I don't take shit - From anyone
However...Ignoring is the worse thing you can give to someone who wants attention. I don't need to answer shit these days cause I simply answer kindly showing how much money I am getting and by the way I look.
I have way more people telling me I am smokin hot than people telling I am fat/ugly/whore/ etc etc etc
And most of all...I THINK I am hot. You probably getting yourself affected cause your self esteem isn't good
Lift that head and know your worth girl.
If those guys were anything good they wouldn't be in a camming website looking for a woman. Think about it

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 07:22 PM
Screw those losers! A guy like that is so much of a loser not only can't he get a real girl to talk to him he doesn't make enough money to cam with one so he lashes out at what he will never have. Don't bring that loser, negative shit to my room. BAN!
Next. Don't let them get to you.

Indeed! Plus...Everyone is brave and the big boy/girl in the Internet lmao
I HIGHLY doubt that 100% of people who tell shit about me online would say the same in my face
Period lol

CandiceS
10-29-2016, 08:17 PM
I never keep other sites in the background. That's why I don't splitcam, or watch Netflix while I'm working, or anything like that. I stay 100% engaged with the people who enter my room. I say hello to everyone. I'm very chatty and it draws guys in. Sometimes I get into long discussions in free chat with a big group (10+ people) all contributing and talking. Some girls might think that's a waste of time, but it works for me since I aim to attract the guys that are there for companionship and personality, not just sex. For example, I *never ever* respond to "How are you bb?" with "Oh I'm SO horny, we should go private" -- unless I'm doing it ironically/sarcastically. (No offense if that's your kind of hustle. But part of my hustle is actually making fun of the cliche oversexed camgirl. I also mock the guys who come in demanding rude sexual things. Smart respectful guys are entertained by it, and frankly those are the kinds of people I want to do privates with.)

I don't have a "secret to getting through the slow times" other than just trying to stay in a genuinely good mood. As soon as I feel bored, or anxious, or annoyed, guys can tell, and then it throws my whole night off. So that's why I talk so much. Even if I'm free chat for an hour, if I'm having a real conversation with at least one person in the room, it gets me through the slow/dead periods. Then all it takes is one person to buy a long exclusive block session, which instantly makes up for the slower part of the night.

I also offer things like spanking and dancing for tips in free chat, which has actually become a decent chunk of my income. Guys pay for me to dance or hula hoop to a song of their choice. Then it brings a bunch of people in to watch, and after the song is over, I use that new crowd to hustle for gold shows.

Hmmmm! Very smart!! In fact your kind of hustle is very similar to mine, apart from the fact I don't say hi to everyone. I wait for guys to talk to me and then I am very friendly (Maybe I should greet guys more often)
But I think exactly the same. 90% of the girls on my website keep licking their lips or shaking their booty in free chat expecting that guys will get attracted from it. And in fact they do, but I rather not to have a huge sexual hustle since I rather being paid for just talk or something like that (Who doesn't I guess?)
So I also find those guys that are attracted by conversation instead of me shaking my boobs way more respectful (and generous!) than the ones simply wanting to wank

Snowy0Star
10-29-2016, 09:07 PM
I dunno about sportsball but I'm expecting tonight to be low traffic because of Halloween parties. I doubt anyone's going to be partying on Monday when Halloween actually is. I'm hoping traffic will increase later after people come back from drinking and going out. Or maybe I'll luck out with lonely guys who didn't get invited to anything, haha.

My percent in paid fluctuates a lot... one night it'll be 42%, the next it'll be 16%. I've stopped caring about it. Just focus on your goals. I made almost $2500 last week in 35 hours with only an average of 28% in paid.

I think ur right I was wondering about that too theres been like 1000 almost 1100 ppl on tonight the hour ive been on only 30 bbws on right not many ppl at all but I wanted to try and see how it was I have nothing better to do because im a hermit so im just gonna stick it out till I cant keep my eyes open anymore and maybe watch bar rescue or something on the other half of my screen

Halo88
10-29-2016, 09:52 PM
I never keep other sites in the background. That's why I don't splitcam, or watch Netflix while I'm working, or anything like that. I stay 100% engaged with the people who enter my room. I say hello to everyone. I'm very chatty and it draws guys in. Sometimes I get into long discussions in free chat with a big group (10+ people) all contributing and talking. Some girls might think that's a waste of time, but it works for me since I aim to attract the guys that are there for companionship and personality, not just sex.

Same here! I actually enjoy having guys in my free chat who engage with me (whether they spend or not), and I look forward to that. If I sat there ignoring the room just waiting on privates I would be bored lol.

Chellyinparadise
10-29-2016, 10:14 PM
Yea i agree i definately love the conversations with the guys, they can definately bring your mood up and make you laugh at times and when im laughing and smiling i get alot more pvts, so im all for them to talk as others said it gets you through when it is slow at times.

MissMoore
10-29-2016, 10:34 PM
Yeah.... sitting in free chat with no talking is one of the worst things ever. My anxiety starts to go through the roof when that happens. lol It's literally just like talking to a wall. I won't ban members who haven't spent anything but they better be incredibly well behaved and generous with the compliments... those types I have no problem with. Sometimes it's even helpful to have guys that are loyal to your cam room so when it's slow you have someone to talk and don't look bored out of your skull. Win-Win for both parties. When guys come in my room and start demanding shit I just say I think I'm losing my mind because people can't possibly be so rude and entitled they think it's acceptable behavior to come into my room and ask for things with no tip. If I hear any guff about it.... BLOCK!!!!! See ya, Carlos Danger.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 05:26 AM
What you ladies need to realize is that Streamate might just be an unprofitable venture for it's owners. They might be losing so much money that they do not make a profit. In business though this can work to the advantage of the owners. They just write off the loss when they do their taxes. Actually, in some regards, from a business perspective the more money they lose the better. This loss will significantly decrease the amount of taxes they owe.

I worked as a marketing executive for a very well known company about 10 years ago. This company started a sister company that lost millions and millions of dollars each and every year. This sister company did not make a profit the whole time I was with the company (5 years). Did they close down this sister company? No, they didn't. They kept it going because it was one big fat tax write off for them. Streamate might essentially be the same thing for its owners.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 05:38 AM
You would be astonished to learn how many well-known companies are essentially unprofitable. When you calculate all of their assets and liabilities for the year they actually have made ZERO DOLLARS. Their only reason for existence is to serve as a big fat tax write off for their owners come Tax Time.

imelly21
10-30-2016, 05:53 AM
EricaErotica, interesting. But that is in theory right? In reality they are making a profit. Otherwise they would really shut down.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 06:29 AM
No, they might not be making a dime in terms of net profit. You do not know all of their other businesses. Streamate might be just ONE business they have. They might have several other businesses that make a profit. These businesses could be funneling money to Streamate. The other businesses make money. Streamate makes none. They use the monetary losses from Streamate to reduce their tax liability. It could essentially help them pay ZERO TAXES.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 06:39 AM
There are so many businesses that are money losing ventures on purpose. It would make your head spin. I worked for a business like that 10 years ago. The parent company funneled 7 million dollars A YEAR into this losing venture. They DID NOT give a fuck that it lost 7 million dollars a year. All the employees knew about it. During annual meetings they would announce the company's financials to us. I attended these meetings for FIVE YEARS. It was always the same thing every year. They would announce how the company had made NO PROFIT. But they believed that one day it would be profitable. This whole thing confused me year after year. Finally, I asked my husband (who is an accountant) why they would continue operating at a loss for the last SIX YEARS. He laughed. He told me they were very very clever. They really do not care if the business EVER makes a profit. The more money down the drain, the better actually. They are basically using it as a tax shelter. It was a 7 million dollar a year tax write off. It helped them probably pay little to no corporate business taxes. This is ALL legal under the IRS Tax Code.

anonymous camgirl
10-30-2016, 06:51 AM
Yea exactly I had a business for 3 yrs that never made a profit... it was a nice loss I could write on my taxes.. then I would close that business down and start a different kind.. I always hoped to make a profit to get out of camming but it never happened.. Almost the entire time I have been a camgirl I had another business that never made me a profit but resulted in thousands of tax writeoffs.. and that's just on a teeny tiny small scale...lmao


There are so many businesses that are money losing ventures on purpose. It would make your head spin. I worked for a business like that 10 years ago. The parent company funneled 7 million dollars A YEAR into this losing venture. They DID NOT give a fuck that it lost 7 million dollars a year. All the employees knew about it. During annual meetings they would announce the financials to us. I attended these meetings for FIVE YEARS. I was always the same thing. They would announce how the company had made NO PROFIT. But they believed that one day it would be profitable. This whole thing confused me year after year. Finally, I asked my husband (who is an accountant) why they would continue operating at a loss for the last SIX YEARS. He laughed. He told me they were very very clever. They really do not care if the business EVER makes a profit. The more money down the drain, the better actually. They are basically using it as a tax shelter. It was a 7 million dollar a year tax write off. It helped them probably pay little to no corporate business taxes. This is ALL legal under the IRS Tax Code.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 07:00 AM
Yup. I have learned that sometimes when companies do not seem to give a fuck about how badly they are doing it might be because the business is just one BIG FAT TAX WRITE OFF for them.

MissMoore
10-30-2016, 07:21 AM
There are so many businesses that are money losing ventures on purpose. It would make your head spin. I worked for a business like that 10 years ago. The parent company funneled 7 million dollars A YEAR into this losing venture. They DID NOT give a fuck that it lost 7 million dollars a year. All the employees knew about it. During annual meetings they would announce the financials to us. I attended these meetings for FIVE YEARS. I was always the same thing. They would announce how the company had made NO PROFIT. But they believed that one day it would be profitable. This whole thing confused me year after year. Finally, I asked my husband (who is an accountant) why they would continue operating at a loss for the last SIX YEARS. He laughed. He told me they were very very clever. They really do not care if the business EVER makes a profit. The more money down the drain, the better actually. They are basically using it as a tax shelter. It was a 7 million dollar a year tax write off. It helped them probably pay little to no corporate business taxes. This is ALL legal under the IRS Tax Code.


It's fascinating the creative loop holes corporations can take to lower their taxes. Look at Donald Trump and his buisnesses.... I've heard it's possibly he hasn't paid a single red cent on taxes in years! Just not the year he took major losses... but whatevs about the pussy grabber. I don't doubt for a second the possibility SM doing this. However, I would love to ask them why the hell the made the models invest thousands into top of line computers and internet. Do they get their rocks off on making their models spend thousands on top of line computers and internet. lol Why couldn't they just be like MFC or any the other major cam sites where a half decent computer and internet connection is adequate.

If SM is just a possible shill for tax purposes.... and things aren't going that great right now... are you saying it's time to take so much stock of SM and start seriously investing time and energy at other sites?

imelly21
10-30-2016, 07:34 AM
this IRS tax code needs to change.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 07:40 AM
Yup. You've got it, Miss Moore. Start doing things (either in the vanilla world, adult world, or both worlds) that are guaranteed to earn you a living. Focus your efforts on what will actually reap a sizable profit for YOU and YOUR BUSINESS. Streamate ain't it.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 07:41 AM
IRS code is not going to change. This loophole in the tax code exists to encourage entrepreneurs to start businesses. That is the bedrock of our capitalist system. The ability to start a business with very little red tape and the ability to write the business off or abandon it through bankruptcy should the business be a failing (failed) venture.

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 07:59 AM
Oh, and for the record I DO NOT cam on Streamate. I just have been reading this thread recently and I felt I needed to add my 2 cents on what I think is going on at Streamate.

My focus in the adult industry is on indy camming sites, clips sites, and sexting sites. Indy is the best way to make money in the adult industry. You might have to spend a little time and effort with marketing yourself. But the rewards are GREAT!!!

MissMoore
10-30-2016, 08:06 AM
I feel like Erica is a oracle warning us all. lol This is not what I want to be hearing but I feel a shift happening. I seriously hope this is just a fluke and morale is down because this boner fucking killing election. Cam models are entertainment but who needs us when you have live incredibly entertaining political freak every single day.


I've been fortunate enough to make a comfortable living working just SM alone and part time. My take away *possibly* has been in the low six figures so I've been fortunate enough to earn a comfortable living. I know it's never good to rest on your laurels but I made such a good amount on SM there no feasible reason to devote my time any place else. lol Like I said above though... I feel this weird shift. I'm hoping it's just the election though. This is suppose to be HIGH DEMAND season. I'm by no means making crappy money but it's taking me longer and with what Erica is saying and what I'm experiencing.... this is could possibly turn into a real concern.

I've tried other cam sites but I need something fast paced like I have with SM. I loathe being in free chat being for a prolonged amount of time and worried when my next show is about to come along. I'll have to start filming clips for sale or at least doing phone sex so if shit really goes down the tubes with SM I have something to fall back on. Ok... done venting for now. lol

EricaErotica
10-30-2016, 08:15 AM
Or just do indy camming. You already have a customer base. Create your own website and create listings on the indy cam directories. If you use the same name you have on Streamate and market the hell out of this new venture you can make more than you ever did on Streamate. That is what I did after my first year camming on the big box sites like Cams.com and Naked.com. I started those sites in 2008 and quit those sites in 2009. I've never looked back. Best choice I've EVER made.

Glamourmilf
10-30-2016, 08:26 AM
Same here! I actually enjoy having guys in my free chat who engage with me (whether they spend or not), and I look forward to that. If I sat there ignoring the room just waiting on privates I would be bored lol.

I agree. A couple of nights ago, when nobody was talking, and I had just started my shift.
Instead of logging off like I used to do, I just started showing my room a new ( not for camming) dress I had just bought. Lol
Some guy tipped me 10 gold twice. Lol
Then my pso line rang, and I got to log off for a bit to take it, which helped get away from free chat hell.

Marina Starr
10-30-2016, 01:13 PM
When I watch myself on chrome, there's a 5 seconds delay. This happens after the new layout. Only on chrome. No delay on safari or firefox. What's up?

CandiceS
10-30-2016, 01:29 PM
Or just do indy camming. You already have a customer base. Create your own website and create listings on the indy cam directories. If you use the same name you have on Streamate and market the hell out of this new venture you can make more than you ever did on Streamate. That is what I did after my first year camming on the big box sites like Cams.com and Naked.com. I started those sites in 2008 and quit those sites in 2009. I've never looked back. Best choice I've EVER made.

I agree 100%! SM might be a good site but it's bullshit they pay just 35% to their models. Absurd actually. It should be AT THE VERY LEAST 60%! We do all the job.
That's what I am planning to do, building a good clientele on the big boxes websites and then market the hell out of Indy.
I was making 20K monthly as an escort so goal is at least 16K with Indy and my affiliates.
Doesn't sound very hard to reach since its 4K weekly.
20K in my New Zealand currency