View Full Version : STREAMATE - Venting, Complaining, Discussing site issues
Kiki_Jane
09-24-2017, 04:28 PM
Do you ban guys who are really rude in Gold Shows, or just take their money? I had some weirdo today tipping extra and calling me a rip-off. I didn't ban him, but I kind of regret that because he was so obnoxious. It wasn't worth the 35% of $8 I got from him, I think.
Scorpio Girl
09-24-2017, 04:44 PM
Nothing but losers tonight. One guy with a 1 comes in and goes "your so beautiful but wow I remember you only charged $2 when the account was new." I told him sorry buddy I've been on here 4 years and I've never charged that. Guys need to realize cam shows are a luxury and if they can't afford it that's there problem not ours. They expect us to do the most with our bodies on their terms and it does NOT work like that.
Guy last night tipped me $1 and wanted me to fuck a toy in free chat. It's like, seriously dude? Then, he tips me another dollar like I'm going to do it for $2 anymore than I would for $1. Obviously, these guys are used to token sites where you can see shit like that for free all over the place.
Scorpio Girl
09-24-2017, 04:48 PM
^^Bummer.
I don't ever go into other girl's cam rooms. I usually just read this thread and camming sucks to see if it's just me that's been having a shitty run.
But Friday and yesterday I decided to take a look. A long, and hard look from my customer account.
I was so sad to see that even the top girls had very few guys in their rooms. Or gold shows left and right were being cancelled due to lack of pledges. Even 0 gold shows weren't getting pledges beyond $20. Yikes!
That girls who are in my categories are now charging much less.:'(
The only ladies who were busy getting traffic and getting tipped were the gold tip vibe girls.
*Cut to me now offering vibe tips.
I see where SM wants us to head, and if you can't beat em', you gots to join em'. :shrug:
* Just hope that I don't break too many pieces of furniture while having those earth shattering orgasms.::)
I've been holding out on getting one, but you're right. Getting a gold show to go off is like pulling teeth unless one of my regulars comes in and contributes. Yet, I see chicks with tip vibes getting to their goal in no time. I don't get these guys. Do they really think that vibrator is making these chicks go off like they are having a seizure? I don't care if they do react to the tip noise, it's still not going to make me convulse like that.
MurphieMayhem
09-24-2017, 04:52 PM
It actually does NOT go off to tip sounds it's a total scam...clever but it has totally destroyed these types of sites.
You know they are not genuine because they are sound controlled and will react to ANY SOUND so if she's got music on or is talking it should be vibrating. This topic infuriates me because like I said...totally ruined these sites
kamiliam
09-24-2017, 06:54 PM
It actually does NOT go off to tip sounds it's a total scam...clever but it has totally destroyed these types of sites.
You know they are not genuine because they are sound controlled and will react to ANY SOUND so if she's got music on or is talking it should be vibrating. This topic infuriates me because like I said...totally ruined these sites
I get what you are saying and why you feel that way whether I agree with you or not. I don't really see the point in trashing a certain type of hustle. It is a slippery slope, the same can be said for gold shows, tip menus and showing the goods for free. As long as the rules are followed it doesn't matter to me what another model is doing. I treat my vibe in conjuction with my tip menu. No one is seeing anything for 1 gold, they reach a point I am comfortable with and show more. Once they stop I stop kinda like a gold show countdown.
I myself don't understand why my big tippers don't do a show, but they are coming to get their cocks hard and to spend their money how they see fit. They will get bored eventually of the tip vibe because they are like that and will want something new. I believe our issues are with traffic and tech not each other. I just hope we can support each other
Oh and BTW tip vibe in or out I get wet from the sound of a +$25 tip
MurphieMayhem
09-24-2017, 07:09 PM
Sounds like you're on a token based site. I wasn't referring to it ruining it for token based. Just sayin it doesn't work for excl and or based sites it's ruined wether I agree with the type of hustle or not isn't what I'm insinuating here.
kamiliam
09-24-2017, 07:30 PM
Sounds like you're on a token based site. I wasn't referring to it ruining it for token based. Just sayin it doesn't work for excl and or based sites it's ruined wether I agree with the type of hustle or not isn't what I'm insinuating here.
No I am only on SM. The people in my room know they are not getting an orgasm for $1.00 or $10 or $25 or $50, but that is how I run my room and those are the guys I attract. It is just a different way to make these guys want to have cybersex with us, same as flashing, gold shows and dancing around. (I only do 1 out of 3 of those BTW) Just think of it in those terms and maybe you will see it is just a tool.
I just don't think this is something we should be talking about on a public forum, it's like saying "so and so fakes all their orgasms", "she's not really 18". Maybe true may not be true, but they don't need to speculate on all the ins and outs, it is a fantasy, we aren't having sex with them either. We all have the same goal in this to make as much money as possible, and we need to focus on that and not how girls are running their rooms.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-24-2017, 07:32 PM
Sounds like you're on a token based site. I wasn't referring to it ruining it for token based. Just sayin it doesn't work for excl and or based sites it's ruined wether I agree with the type of hustle or not isn't what I'm insinuating here.
I think she works on SM thats why she responded in the Streamate venting thread. Also she mention the sound of $25 turning her on because of the chime sound. I don't use the vibes mainly because I'm just too shy to be out there like that. I can pull tits out all day long provided I'm getting tipped for them. So If I could rig that stuff to my nips I would. Hmmm I might be on to something? The game has changed for sure but there are still plenty of people making it work. As for the guys tipping in I think many of them know whats up when it comes to vibes. I mean after all this is a public forum and many of them do read this stuff. They don't care, it's the performance that they're tipping for.
sexyadrienne
09-24-2017, 07:58 PM
It actually does NOT go off to tip sounds it's a total scam...clever but it has totally destroyed these types of sites.
You know they are not genuine because they are sound controlled and will react to ANY SOUND so if she's got music on or is talking it should be vibrating. This topic infuriates me because like I said...totally ruined these sites
If you have an ohmibod toy, you can connect it to your computer via Bluetooth.
Any sound that comes from the computer will buzz through the toy. In chat settings, I only check the box that gives sounds for when gold is tipped.
Tips from 1-24 Gold make a short sound = short buzz.
Tips 25 and more make a longer sound = longer buzz.
christylive
09-24-2017, 07:59 PM
Guy last night tipped me $1 and wanted me to fuck a toy in free chat. It's like, seriously dude? Then, he tips me another dollar like I'm going to do it for $2 anymore than I would for $1. Obviously, these guys are used to token sites where you can see shit like that for free all over the place.
At the end of the day, lots of girls are training guys to think that they're on a token site by offering vagina and anus flashes with tip toys/vibes in free chat. New guys who are coming into our chats for the first time are 9/10 going to bounce from room to room exploring so if every other tip toy/vibe user is spread eagle for tips in free chat that's setting the mood and vibe for what the site is about or so they think . I don't think these toys are single handedly ruining the site however they are a factor. attitudes on SM are becoming hostile - including mine and for good reason. It's like you sign up on a private based site for the appeal of it not being a free for all as it is on token sites. You work hard at building your fanbase on said site all for it to slowly crumble around your feet because of glitches, tip vibes/toys and the like. it's a problem when top row models can hardly get $0 or $1 gold show started. I mean, wow. Honestly speaking, I once felt sour by those who did $0 gold shows cause again it's like training these guys to expect free shit by sitting long enough and waiting for others to tip so they can enjoy the free gold show off the backs of others. Now I see $0 gold shows offered quite frequently and I feel guilty because now it's done out of desperation to make a $1 or in an attempt to get some traffic. For me SM adding the potential member box was the final nail in the coffin.... am I expected to convert lurkers for free? Is it a ploy to keep models on longer? The problem is these sites get comfortable off of the fat cut they take from us. I'm not impressed by what I get in return for everything I have to put up with. Volunteer tech support, Walmart door greeters at least get cussed out when asking for a receipt,now adays it's like pulling teeth to get a hello back. Can you guys hear me? Am I in a never ending Verizon wireless commercial? All the while being expected to shove the kitchen sink up my vag during the preview window? at least we have a dedicated twitter hashtag if nothing else. can you guys see me alright? Hello? sorry for the long post...
sexyadrienne
09-24-2017, 08:03 PM
At the end of the day, lots of girls are training guys to think that they're on a token site by offering vagina and anus flashes with tip toys/vibes in free chat. New guys who are coming into our chats for the first time are 9/10 going to bounce from room to room exploring so if every other tip toy/vibe user is spread eagle for tips in free chat that's setting the mood and vibe for what the site is about or so they think . I don't think these toys are single handedly ruining the site however they are a factor. attitudes on SM are becoming hostile - including mine and for good reason. It's like you sign up on a private based site for the appeal of it not being a free for all as it is on token sites. You work hard at building your fanbase on said site all for it to slowly crumble around your feet because of glitches, tip vibes/toys and the like. it's a problem when top row models can hardly get $0 or $1 gold show started. I mean, wow. Honestly speaking, I once felt sour by those who did $0 gold shows cause again it's like training these guys to expect free shit by sitting long enough and waiting for others to tip so they can enjoy the free gold show off the backs of others. Now I see $0 gold shows offered quite frequently and I feel guilty because now it's done out of desperation to make a $1 or in an attempt to get some traffic. For me SM adding the potential member box was the final nail in the coffin.... am I expected to convert lurkers for free? Is it a ploy to keep models on longer? sorry for the long post...
At 35% payout, I wish SM would fix the glitches and also create more money-making avenues as well.
Yes, a lot of girls including myself are using tip vibes as it does bring in income. My question is, why can't SM build a "tipping" chat room option?
I guess it's just wishful thinking.
MurphieMayhem
09-24-2017, 08:05 PM
This right here.....^^^
hyori
09-24-2017, 08:30 PM
Why are so many models so adamant about sticking with this site? I don't get it, the payout is so low, they obviously can't get their shit together, I think this is the second time I've posted this question. The only way for change to happen is to take away the money. Just leave if you hate the site! There are so many others for crying out loud. If SM changes to a weird token site do you think they will payout the same as the other token sites? NOPE. So stop short changing yourselves and fucking leave already. I seriously don't get why girls are using the tip based toys on SM like a token site when again THE PAYOUT IS 25%-30%. You can use the toys on MFC, CB, Bonga and so many others and actually set prices at different levels and get 50% of what you make. I used to think it was due to less competition but now that it's saturated on SM it is ridiculous to be giving 70-75 percent of your earnings away. Seriously, stop the madness.
Snowy0Star
09-24-2017, 10:24 PM
Why are so many models so adamant about sticking with this site? I don't get it, the payout is so low, they obviously can't get their shit together, I think this is the second time I've posted this question. The only way for change to happen is to take away the money. Just leave if you hate the site! There are so many others for crying out loud. If SM changes to a weird token site do you think they will payout the same as the other token sites? NOPE. So stop short changing yourselves and fucking leave already. I seriously don't get why girls are using the tip based toys on SM like a token site when again THE PAYOUT IS 25%-30%. You can use the toys on MFC, CB, Bonga and so many others and actually set prices at different levels and get 50% of what you make. I used to think it was due to less competition but now that it's saturated on SM it is ridiculous to be giving 70-75 percent of your earnings away. Seriously, stop the madness.
I left about a week ago i was just doing endless voyer gold shows for about a week just to get paid (i never got payout from the week before the one that ended on sat night if that makes sense) then i did some test today and found my computer can handle at least 4 token sites where as if i was running two sites on top of SM running OBS my feeds on all the sites kept having issues and i would get disconnected from all the sites im on . SM takes too much out of what we make and requires us to take a toll too large on my processor and bandwith to justify it anymore. so im quitting SM for now as of today . i was honestly never a fan on SM too much or pvt based sites in general its just too cars salesman like to me . You have to hustle and grind and pull teeth to get these to even talk
to you these days and most just leave when u do so whats the point in trying anymore let alone paying for shows now and when u do unless u do fetish or domme its get naked insert dildo in vag guys leave put clothes back on rinse and repeat but before even that its like sit for hours in underwear on bed while watching guys come and go for sometimes hours one finally talks but he leaves and after a while someone else actually gets a show. at least on token sites i can share my social media do what i want charge what i want and all i have to do is flirt and tease and wait for dudes to talk to me or give me money that i get half of not 1/3 of. Its a slower buildup then pvt based sites but in the long run theyre better . The only reason i was ever on pvt based sites was because they made more then token sites for me but times are changing and im adapting.
MelindaDeaner
09-25-2017, 01:54 AM
It actually does NOT go off to tip sounds it's a total scam...clever but it has totally destroyed these types of sites.
You know they are not genuine because they are sound controlled and will react to ANY SOUND so if she's got music on or is talking it should be vibrating. This topic infuriates me because like I said...totally ruined these sites
I totally agree! I am a month new to SM and I cannot get any customer to tip more than 1 person for 5 gold when I host a Gold Show...and sitting all day in free chat waiting for someone to take me private is nearly impossible now a days for me. The sad thing is, I do own a Lovense Lush interactive vibe toy and I cannot get it to work with SM to save my life! I have emailed support and support just says they do not control the interactive device or have software for it to be compatible with SM, they do not support interactive toys etc. However, Wjy do I see some of these girls on there with the same device and which were going off during a Gold show? I cannot use the Feel Performer App on my Iphone for the Lovense Lush only b/c Lovense Lush is not supported by the Feel Performer App and also the website has to have a bar code to scan for the device to work of which SM does not provide? I also downloaded the Lovense Lush updated google browser to my computer and the only sites that work are CB MFC Flirt4Free, CamSoda, and a few other's but not for IMLive or for SM...so that being how heck are they able to use the Lovense Lush for tips? Yet, I hear the tip sounds when they are being tipped? Sigh Also, the Lush does nothing for me what so ever I usually fake the sensation when I used it on Cams.com.
MelindaDeaner
09-25-2017, 02:15 AM
At 35% payout, I wish SM would fix the glitches and also create more money-making avenues as well.
Yes, a lot of girls including myself are using tip vibes as it does bring in income. My question is, why can't SM build a "tipping" chat room option?
I guess it's just wishful thinking.
That would be great if SM could build a "tipping" vibe chat room option-Or just an option to actually be able to use the interactive toy (Lovense Lush that I have) Cams allows the FFConnect option which really does work with tips via the sound. SM doesn't have this option yet so my $100 toy just sits on charger most of the time since I am unable to stream w/ Cams OBS Broadcast as my system will not work with it and no other PPM Sites that I am on supports the device either so it is useless to me if I website won't support it.
MurphieMayhem
09-25-2017, 07:22 AM
I left about a week ago i was just doing endless voyer gold shows for about a week just to get paid (i never got payout from the week before the one that ended on sat night if that makes sense) then i did some test today and found my computer can handle at least 4 token sites where as if i was running two sites on top of SM running OBS my feeds on all the sites kept having issues and i would get disconnected from all the sites im on . SM takes too much out of what we make and requires us to take a toll too large on my processor and bandwith to justify it anymore. so im quitting SM for now as of today . i was honestly never a fan on SM too much or pvt based sites in general its just too cars salesman like to me . You have to hustle and grind and pull teeth to get these to even talk
to you these days and most just leave when u do so whats the point in trying anymore let alone paying for shows now and when u do unless u do fetish or domme its get naked insert dildo in vag guys leave put clothes back on rinse and repeat but before even that its like sit for hours in underwear on bed while watching guys come and go for sometimes hours one finally talks but he leaves and after a while someone else actually gets a show. at least on token sites i can share my social media do what i want charge what i want and all i have to do is flirt and tease and wait for dudes to talk to me or give me money that i get half of not 1/3 of. Its a slower buildup then pvt based sites but in the long run theyre better . The only reason i was ever on pvt based sites was because they made more then token sites for me but times are changing and im adapting.
I have seriously been considering leaving SM. I just REALLY never liked token based sites. For reasons you stated here, its such a SLOW build up I'm way too used to the hustle to get guys into prv/excl (been on SM for 4 years) rather than tip me 5 fuckin cents to show my tits. I have a huge problem with token site girls just doin shit for free in free chat. I aint doin shit for free. How do you compete with that? And 5 cents/token turns me off. Huge. You make more doing prvs/exclusives and getting that $ per minute.
Are there any other prv/excl based sites besides SM that is working rn or is Token sites the route everyone is going these days? I don't mind adapting I just want the cash now, I'm impatient lol
Glamourmilf
09-25-2017, 07:30 AM
Why are so many models so adamant about sticking with this site? I don't get it, the payout is so low, they obviously can't get their shit together, I think this is the second time I've posted this question. The only way for change to happen is to take away the money. Just leave if you hate the site! There are so many others for crying out loud. If SM changes to a weird token site do you think they will payout the same as the other token sites? NOPE. So stop short changing yourselves and fucking leave already. I seriously don't get why girls are using the tip based toys on SM like a token site when again THE PAYOUT IS 25%-30%. You can use the toys on MFC, CB, Bonga and so many others and actually set prices at different levels and get 50% of what you make. I used to think it was due to less competition but now that it's saturated on SM it is ridiculous to be giving 70-75 percent of your earnings away. Seriously, stop the madness.
It's true.
I stick with it, because I have lots of loyal fetish clients, that I've personally groomed for 5 of the 7 years I've been on SM.
It's hard to let them go.
If I could get them to go to other private based sites I'm on, I'd never log on to SM EVER again.
But, even saying our Twitter handle is forbidden. So, if you can suggest a way to move them over, I'm all ears.
hyori
09-25-2017, 08:55 AM
It's true.
I stick with it, because I have lots of loyal fetish clients, that I've personally groomed for 5 of the 7 years I've been on SM.
It's hard to let them go.
If I could get them to go to other private based sites I'm on, I'd never log on to SM EVER again.
But, even saying our Twitter handle is forbidden. So, if you can suggest a way to move them over, I'm all ears.
Go indie. Give your regs BIG fat hints that you are available as an indie girl and if they google you they can find you at a lower rate because of less overhead. How fucking stupid are these men that they can't use a search engine to get lower rates and have more dick exploding fun? Jesus Christ.
DeepThoughts
09-25-2017, 09:50 AM
I do indie and I dont give big fat hints for my regulars to find me (cause im loyal to SM, dont hate me, I have lots of traffic and make good dough there so until that changes Im loyal) The point being that I do offer indie if they are clever enough to find me all on there own but I dont offer a lower rate :D These guys dont know what my cut is so why would I give them a discount :D I charge basically the same rate except that I round the number off to an even 400 or 350 depending on the client.
Just saying. Dont discount too much ladies. They can afford it.
hyori
09-25-2017, 10:42 AM
Does SM really reward "loyalty" though? I mean, what really happens, you just go up a row or two, maybe even the top row? Is that it? You'd think they would give a bigger percentage or something. Or maybe they do for the top girls and they sign a NDA so normie camgirls continue to grovel.
ShadyPinesMa
09-25-2017, 12:58 PM
Thinking that tip vibes or gold shows are what's killing the site is incredibly misguided.
Tip vibes aren't suddenly popular on SM bc models decided they were a great idea, it's because of customer demand for them. No one wants to act like their pussy feels sooo good for 35 cents, trust me that shit is tiring. If models on SM weren't using tip vibes, it would be yet another fucking thing to add to the laundry list of shit that isn't allowed on SM but is allowed on every single other camsite. THAT'S why members are leaving. Not because they suddenly expect shit for free, or want everyone else to pay for their show or whatever. No less guys enjoy one on one now than they did when SM was first launched, the difference is now shit is advancing and SM is not staying caught up.
Members are leaving bc they want Snapchat. They want to be able to buy panties. They want to be able to share twitter, instagram, etc etc etc. They want to get a show without being disconnected or their cam not showing up.
What SM needs to do is fix their neverending glitches, and add some kind of marketplace where models can sell snapchat subscriptions, custom videos, panties, etc. Make it a flat 75% cut for the model with nothing going to affiliates for the marketplace only. I guaranfuckingtee all the traffic they're losing would gradually come back.
christylive
09-25-2017, 01:24 PM
Thinking that tip vibes or gold shows are what's killing the site is incredibly misguided.
Tip vibes aren't suddenly popular on SM bc models decided they were a great idea, it's because of customer demand for them. No one wants to act like their pussy feels sooo good for 35 cents, trust me that shit is tiring. If models on SM weren't using tip vibes, it would be yet another fucking thing to add to the laundry list of shit that isn't allowed on SM but is allowed on every single other camsite. THAT'S why members are leaving. Not because they suddenly expect shit for free, or want everyone else to pay for their show or whatever. No less guys enjoy one on one now than they did when SM was first launched, the difference is now shit is advancing and SM is not staying caught up.
Members are leaving bc they want Snapchat. They want to be able to buy panties. They want to be able to share twitter, instagram, etc etc etc. They want to get a show without being disconnected or their cam not showing up.
What SM needs to do is fix their neverending glitches, and add some kind of marketplace where models can sell snapchat subscriptions, custom videos, panties, etc. Make it a flat 75% cut for the model with nothing going to affiliates for the marketplace only. I guaranfuckingtee all the traffic they're losing would gradually come back.
I don't agree with the incredibly misguided part- however I do agree that lots of factors including glitches is what's driving customers off of the site. Are tip vibes and $0 gold shows the main cause? Absolutely not. But they are both huge factors. If tip vibes didn't include vag/anal flashing in free chat I think that would be great. Tip vibes aren't the enemy and neither are gold shows but it becomes an issue when models blatantly break the rules in free chat more than ever thanks to the tip vibe. As I mentioned before, when every other tip vibe user is getting guys in free chat to tip for vag/anus and god knows what else that is setting the tone for SM which is "hey maybe if I tip $1 in free chat the next model will fuck toy bb since the last model did"
Snowy0Star
09-25-2017, 01:25 PM
I have seriously been considering leaving SM. I just REALLY never liked token based sites. For reasons you stated here, its such a SLOW build up I'm way too used to the hustle to get guys into prv/excl (been on SM for 4 years) rather than tip me 5 fuckin cents to show my tits. I have a huge problem with token site girls just doin shit for free in free chat. I aint doin shit for free. How do you compete with that? And 5 cents/token turns me off. Huge. You make more doing prvs/exclusives and getting that $ per minute.
Are there any other prv/excl based sites besides SM that is working rn or is Token sites the route everyone is going these days? I don't mind adapting I just want the cash now, I'm impatient lol
its ok it took like 3-4 days for me to get at the level im at now its mainly about putting long hours in at first . if u stay on long enuf the purples that came in a few hours ago will start to tip and stuff . as far as competing stand ur ground i do 25 for flashes and i dont react to buzz toys unless they tip 10 tokens or more . most dont mind it . they tip 1 token i throw up my macro that its not going to react unless u do 10 or more then those 1 token walls turn into 10 right quick lol . i also dont do penetration in free chat i get naked and rub puss but thats the most i do . im more of a flirt and tease type witch im really good at and they love .
but really you have no competition because no one else but you is you so just do ur thing and guys will find you eventually .
MurphieMayhem
09-25-2017, 01:26 PM
Ive taken my ass over to MFC - just signed up today...need to learn how to hustle tokens now. Not happy about this but whatever I got bills to pay and SM aint cutting it. LOL totally agree about SM needing to up their game. Your ideas are great!
BaileyGV
09-25-2017, 01:36 PM
I am so pissed that if I block my own state or a state where someone who is harrassing me lives in, I lose all promoting privledges and removed from thw search...WHAT KIND OF PIMPING ASS BULLSHIT IS THIS?? WHY ARE WE BEING PUNISHED FOR TRYING TO PROTECT OUR PRIVACY? JUST WOW
ShadyPinesMa
09-25-2017, 01:48 PM
I don't agree with the incredibly misguided part- however I do agree that lots of factors including glitches is what's driving customers off of the site. Are tip vibes and $0 gold shows the main cause? Absolutely not. But they are both huge factors. If tip vibes didn't include vag/anal flashing in free chat I think that would be great. Tip vibes aren't the enemy and neither are gold shows but it becomes an issue when models blatantly break the rules in free chat more than ever thanks to the tip vibe. As I mentioned before, when every other tip vibe user is getting guys in free chat to tip for vag/anus and god knows what else that is setting the tone for SM which is "hey maybe if I tip $1 in free chat the next model will fuck toy bb since the last model did"
Every other? I have honestly never seen a model with a tip toy flash pussy or butthole. In my entire 4 years on SM I think I've only seen purposeful pussy in free chat maybe once.
christylive
09-25-2017, 02:14 PM
Every other? I have honestly never seen a model with a tip toy flash pussy or butthole. In my entire 4 years on SM I think I've only seen purposeful pussy in free chat maybe once.
I've been on SM for 4 1/2 years and see it more and more now since the introduction of the tip vibe toys. More often than not I'll see a model sneakishly spread her pussy lips to entice members to tip
DeepThoughts
09-25-2017, 02:14 PM
Does SM really reward "loyalty" though? I mean, what really happens, you just go up a row or two, maybe even the top row? Is that it? You'd think they would give a bigger percentage or something. Or maybe they do for the top girls and they sign a NDA so normie camgirls continue to grovel.
I dont need them to "reward" me. I know they dont give a shit about loyalty as in me staying but Im sure they care that Im not trying to steal the clients away to indie. This was all I ment by loyal. I still make good money on SM and Ive tried branching out a bit and I always come back, but I still do porn and have my own site plus a couple other side gigs so its not like SM is my only gig. Its just my only webcam gig and I like it there and my traffic has been on the increase.
The point was only to say that if you go indie you dont NEED to give a discount. If a guy is willing to pay you X$ for a SM webcam show then he should be willing to pay you the same for an indie webcam show.
laurielegs
09-25-2017, 04:02 PM
The point was only to say that if you go indie you dont NEED to give a discount. If a guy is willing to pay you X$ for a SM webcam show then he should be willing to pay you the same for an indie webcam show.
I feel the same way. It annoys me that most of us adjust our price based on how much we keep. The price should be for our time, not the percent we keep.
Unfortunately I haven't been successful myself in pricing my indy shows higher. When I go above $4 or $5 a minute on indy I get zero shows but I can charge 7.99/9.99 on SM.
Really disappointing.
DeepThoughts
09-25-2017, 04:16 PM
I dont charge per min I give flat rates for 15, 30, 45 and 60min shows. I discount 50 euros off the one hour shows and guys pay my rate or they dont get a show and I continue to stream from SM where I will make the same but get a lower cut. I dont care if I get an indie show or not so I keep the prices high!
SuperPookie
09-25-2017, 05:34 PM
Every other? I have honestly never seen a model with a tip toy flash pussy or butthole. In my entire 4 years on SM I think I've only seen purposeful pussy in free chat maybe once. I see it all the time. In fact I frequently see it even listed as room topic. Tip x for pussy x or toys etc I also see pictures of bare assed chicks doing full penetration come up in the "similar models" section if I check out my cammodels link
queenc
09-25-2017, 08:46 PM
I see it all the time. In fact I frequently see it even listed as room topic. Tip x for pussy x or toys etc I also see pictures of bare assed chicks doing full penetration come up in the "similar models" section if I check out my cammodels link
During the last contest the girl in the very first spot had pussy for $66 dollars. Last night I saw a girl totally naked in row three with the VIP vibe sticking out and playing with her puss. She didn't spread her lips but SM rules say you can't even be underpantsless with a dildo covering your puss. I don't remember if I saw that in the actual rules or if it was and email they sent me after I asked a bunch of questions about what you are allowed to do with dildos for gold in free.
i think that the person that said that the reason people are leaving SM is they want SC, underware, twitter etc. is totally correct. I get those requests every day. Usually followed by..."well the other girls give that stuff out" I usually then just say...well I work for an agency (BM) and they double monitor me so I don't want to lose my job. Then they go ...oh you're in porn....and I'm like omg I'm sitting here ready to fuck myself on camera and you're looking down in me cuz you think I'm a traditional porn person...ugh yes I'm in porn you're on a porn website but no my agency isn't Bangbros it's for daily pay. But what difference does it make? Anyway I digress
streammate won't even let you give out your cammodel link on the site. That's insane. You could convert the potentials by putting that in your profile. Also twitter is not your enemy, SM. Get with the times. Panties make money, SC makes huge money. It also doesn't take away money from the site. Every other site knows this.
christylive
09-25-2017, 09:27 PM
I see it all the time. In fact I frequently see it even listed as room topic. Tip x for pussy x or toys etc I also see pictures of bare assed chicks doing full penetration come up in the "similar models" section if I check out my cammodels link
yeah I know I'm not crazy and definitely not the only one who notices the outrageous amount of Anus and vagina tip vibing going on in free chat. Speaking for myself only- I'm not only a cam girl but also an affilite so I do quite often check to see who is on and do like to check earnings against the current state of the site (traffic,model count etc). I was on the fence for awhile feeling like a failure because some months my sales are in the thousands as an affilite but barely there cam girl earnings wise (on my end). So I don't check rooms purposely because I'm salty towards tip vibes, but for various reasons (guys telling me my screen is black, audio complaints, no log ins or offs for 10+ min, etc etc) ...
sexyadrienne
09-26-2017, 12:57 AM
Forget about girls showing pussy in free chat . . . what about the PEEPERS who "peek" into our private shows for exactly 59 seconds while we are spread eagle, fucking our twats with a dildo?
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
coco789
09-26-2017, 08:02 AM
Forget about girls showing pussy in free chat . . . what about the PEEPERS who "peek" into our private shows for exactly 59 seconds while we are spread eagle, fucking our twats with a dildo?
Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
*time frame edited* Either way still hate that aspect of SM
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-26-2017, 08:10 AM
Either way still hate that aspect of SM
Its a public forum thats why we dont talk about some things around here. Lots of guys read what we post around here. Including the peepers and those who love those tip vibes. But you were correct about the time frame : )
anonymous camgirl
09-26-2017, 02:07 PM
So today some guy asked me how long my video was for sale.. well I don't know what he is talking about? I never posted a video of it.. so I saw there is a video, and he tells me it sells for $3.. I don't recall ever getting any percentage of the money for this? do you? or does the site just make money off you? And it's an old video to from 2009
whirlerz
09-26-2017, 02:42 PM
Woo-woo, so now there's a contest for a toy!::)
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-26-2017, 03:29 PM
So today some guy asked me how long my video was for sale.. well I don't know what he is talking about? I never posted a video of it.. so I saw there is a video, and he tells me it sells for $3.. I don't recall ever getting any percentage of the money for this? do you? or does the site just make money off you? And it's an old video to from 2009
Something is going on at SM. More and more people are starting to speak up about things just like this. Something is off. AC are you saying that an old video that you uploaded in 2009 for free is now being sold to customers?
Models are saying that the videos that they upload are being shown for daily subscriptions going for $2.99. But it may not be fully active yet because several customers are requesting refunds after not being able to view the video gallery.
laurielegs
09-26-2017, 04:10 PM
Something is going on at SM. More and more people are starting to speak up about things just like this. Something is off. AC are you saying that an old video that you uploaded in 2009 for free is now being sold to customers?
Models are saying that the videos that they upload are being shown for daily subscriptions going for $2.99. But it may not be fully active yet because several customers are requesting refunds after not being able to view the video gallery.
I seem to recall someone saying that Streamate does post videos that are shown on profiles when logged in from a member account and can be watched by members for a monthly fee. They deactivated my member account so I can't check - maybe someone with an active account can take a look?
My concern is where are they getting these videos and why are we not informed or getting a cut of the profit? They take enough percentage already.
christylive
09-26-2017, 06:06 PM
I seem to recall someone saying that Streamate does post videos that are shown on profiles when logged in from a member account and can be watched by members for a monthly fee. They deactivated my member account so I can't check - maybe someone with an active account can take a look?
My concern is where are they getting these videos and why are we not informed or getting a cut of the profit? They take enough percentage already.
Could he be talking about the one site that has footage from several cam sites available for purchase? I don't remember the name tho as it was awhile ago but I've seen it mentioned here, well a different thread just can't recall
anonymous camgirl
09-26-2017, 06:28 PM
Something is going on at SM. More and more people are starting to speak up about things just like this. Something is off. AC are you saying that an old video that you uploaded in 2009 for free is now being sold to customers?
Models are saying that the videos that they upload are being shown for daily subscriptions going for $2.99. But it may not be fully active yet because several customers are requesting refunds after not being able to view the video gallery.
This is not the new thing they are doing.. this I think has always been there? but it used to be a DIFFERENT video THEY uploaded and put on my profile.. and now it's a different old video I noticed.. but why are we not getting paid when someone purchases it? WHY? Several sites do this kinda shit... They charge VIP membership fees or something and don't share the money with the model. So yea, the guy purchased the video in my room and said the quality was kinda bad.. which I know cuz it's an old camcorder I used to use.. and I looked in my earnings and NOPE I didn't get any money from it at all.. I think everyone has a video on their profile don't they? from when they first started? This is not the new feature.. I have not uploaded any videos at all.. because I wasn't sure if we get paid for the videos we want to upload.. I didn't see a way to charge. I haven't really checked into that.
Ok I see not everyone has a video attached on their profile.. Maybe it's because I am in the Pornstar Category.. that must be it!... I noticed other Pornstar girls also had an old video.. it's only ONE video.. but still, we ARENT getting paid for it.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
09-26-2017, 06:52 PM
This is not the new thing they are doing.. this I think has always been there? but it used to be a DIFFERENT video THEY uploaded and put on my profile.. and now it's a different old video I noticed.. but why are we not getting paid when someone purchases it? WHY? Several sites do this kinda shit... They charge VIP membership fees or something and don't share the money with the model. So yea, the guy purchased the video in my room and said the quality was kinda bad.. which I know cuz it's an old camcorder I used to use.. and I looked in my earnings and NOPE I didn't get any money from it at all.. I think everyone has a video on their profile don't they? from when they first started? This is not the new feature.. I have not uploaded any videos at all.. because I wasn't sure if we get paid for the videos we want to upload.. I didn't see a way to charge. I haven't really checked into that.
Ok I see not everyone has a video attached on their profile.. Maybe it's because I am in the Pornstar Category.. that must be it!... I noticed other Pornstar girls also had an old video.. it's only ONE video.. but still, we ARENT getting paid for it.
So if you didn't upload the video then how do you think SM got access to it? Did you upload one in the past? Sorry I'm confused. And no its not everyone's profile that has a video. You're like the 4th person I've heard this from. I even had a guy the other night ask me why I didn't have any videos for sale on my page?? Like what? I sold him a download link instead.
MelindaDeaner
09-26-2017, 07:28 PM
Ive taken my ass over to MFC - just signed up today...need to learn how to hustle tokens now. Not happy about this but whatever I got bills to pay and SM aint cutting it. LOL totally agree about SM needing to up their game. Your ideas are great!
I may be going with u to MFC & CB as I already have the accounts active I just never use them b/c I never do good on token sites...I will have to go thru Boleyn Models to get those accts merged over tho b/c I need daily pay. they pay 4.5 cents a token instead of .05 but that is low percentage to me. SM isn't cutting in for me either and I just signed up w/ them a month ago. The 1st week in Sept was awesome! I made $347 that week I took 3 days off in a row and it never was the same. I could work 6 1/2-7 hrs and make $84-$94 dollars and now it's hard to stay on past 5 hrs b/c no money now! Last Thurs I worked 9 1/2 hrs to only receive $55!!!!
laurielegs
09-26-2017, 09:12 PM
This is not the new thing they are doing.. this I think has always been there? but it used to be a DIFFERENT video THEY uploaded and put on my profile.. and now it's a different old video I noticed.. but why are we not getting paid when someone purchases it? WHY? Several sites do this kinda shit... They charge VIP membership fees or something and don't share the money with the model. So yea, the guy purchased the video in my room and said the quality was kinda bad.. which I know cuz it's an old camcorder I used to use.. and I looked in my earnings and NOPE I didn't get any money from it at all.. I think everyone has a video on their profile don't they? from when they first started? This is not the new feature.. I have not uploaded any videos at all.. because I wasn't sure if we get paid for the videos we want to upload.. I didn't see a way to charge. I haven't really checked into that.
Ok I see not everyone has a video attached on their profile.. Maybe it's because I am in the Pornstar Category.. that must be it!... I noticed other Pornstar girls also had an old video.. it's only ONE video.. but still, we ARENT getting paid for it.
I think they do have it only in the pornstar category. Seems they are using it to drive traffic but I think you should get a cut of the money too, really not fair.
There is a separate way to have vids on your profile too but it's only if you want to have a free nonexplicit one which I'm not doing.
You can also upload vids, mark them explicit and sell them by getting guys to tip you for them price. Those never show on profiles according to the upload page. I tell them the price and they tip it, then I attach it to a message and they get it there on their account. It has to be uploaded and approved first so you have to plan ahead a few days if you are selling a custom that way.
If they are putting the ones I sell in my room for guys to buy without me getting a cut I would be beyond pissed! So far nobody has mentioned it.
SoloDesire
09-27-2017, 05:51 AM
I feel like there's no point in even trying to sell a show to these members anymore...as soon as I try talking to them they leave! I get to "Hi...hru?...good thanks..." GONE! I have no idea whether they are having glitches with my sound, my picture...they don't like my face, they don't like my prices...WTF?! So I just sit here and wait for someone who actually wants a show (because they usually just take me right away without even saying hello). No one wants to fucking interact unless you're flashing something or moaning to a vibe...just so they can say "mmmmmm bb! so hot". This site has become SO BORING!!
Ginnyyy
09-27-2017, 11:25 AM
They do tend to act weirder and weirder. Hi and disappears. Hi, how are you- then running. Hi, you do ... (insert whatever fetish) in your shows?- and spoof, magically disappears. Some last 5 seconds in the room, but I am no robot to hurry replying them. And you know the drill, some can't hear us cause are experiencing glitches, some don;t even know how to turn on their sound, some forget to turn it off and blame the model (happened to many times- those are the French guys). I take it they're not customers for private shows, anyways. Not a loss at all.
Some girls wrote here that they have seen groups of members entering the room at the same time and leaving all at once, some with similar names. Well, it just happened to enter 6 with names starting with "j" at once, leaving all at once and then again, the same group reentered...all at once and disappeared, the same way. Some sorcery is happening here :)
anonymous camgirl
09-27-2017, 12:18 PM
It's the COLLECTIVE , they all share the same brain...lol
They do tend to act weirder and weirder. Hi and disappears. Hi, how are you- then running. Hi, you do ... (insert whatever fetish) in your shows?- and spoof, magically disappears. Some last 5 seconds in the room, but I am no robot to hurry replying them. And you know the drill, some can't hear us cause are experiencing glitches, some don;t even know how to turn on their sound, some forget to turn it off and blame the model (happened to many times- those are the French guys). I take it they're not customers for private shows, anyways. Not a loss at all.
Some girls wrote here that they have seen groups of members entering the room at the same time and leaving all at once, some with similar names. Well, it just happened to enter 6 with names starting with "j" at once, leaving all at once and then again, the same group reentered...all at once and disappeared, the same way. Some sorcery is happening here :)
DancesWithSloths
09-27-2017, 01:25 PM
Some girls wrote here that they have seen groups of members entering the room at the same time and leaving all at once, some with similar names. Well, it just happened to enter 6 with names starting with "j" at once, leaving all at once and then again, the same group reentered...all at once and disappeared, the same way. Some sorcery is happening here :)
This happened to me twice this week - so weird! It's like guys with names from the same part of the alphabet get access to the room at the same time. Yesterday I had all Adams in my room for several minutes, some of them regs who are real people for sure, the rest - who the hell knows.