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kamiliam
11-26-2017, 06:12 AM
lol sorry that happened to u-that freaking sucks! I hate SM cheap as traffic!

I mean I am still pissed about that douche, but traffic turned around. I am a late night/morning wood girl and anything else is bs. I go on early for regs and it is just bullshit tips, then they come back later for shows.
The lower your rates the lower quality guys you get. Occasionally I get the guys like little virgin faster out of spite, but for the most part life is easier with higher rates and straight up telling them no. Cultivate quality guys and you can usually make goal, make them like you so everything else is secondary. I lost a level 4 because I raised my rates by .25, doing better without him, gained 4 more 4s and a 5 without him.(He was my first 4) They want you to play that game don't let them, own you.
On topic the new dudes blow

queenc
11-26-2017, 07:13 AM
Him:Stick your finger in your pussy and show me how wet you are.
Me:I'm not wet. I'm not sticking anything anywhere in free
Him: How wet and horny are you?
Me: Not wet, not horny
My internal dialog: menopause bitch, quit reminding me.
Him: (leaves)
Me:Another example of my stellar sales skills. I bet you all want me now right?
Everyone: (leaves)

cant really blame that one on anyone but me lol

MelindaDeaner
11-26-2017, 07:14 AM
its probably gonna happen to me on effing dead cheap streamate too -b/c I am getting tons of shows now and I'm not even trying since I lowered my rate down to cheap ass 1.98 all the guys going in and out of everyones rooms are looking for cheap rates!! The same for effing IMLive-some looky loos but tons of show requests with there traffic now too since I lowered my rate to 1.98! Eff it.. I'm just trying to get bills & rent paid I don't give 2 shits if they rate me bad-the HD Broadcaster effs up my ranking anyway so I never use it-I'm split camming SM & IMLive at my cheap rates so I can try to keep my apt. I don't plan on doing this much longer once I can somehow get caught up and eff them about putting on a good show too! I will not put on a good show at the cheapest rate-The only site I plan to keep once I can find me a real job is Cams-b/c the customers on Cams are all phenomenal and they all tip ALOT with my Interactive Lush toy that does nt work on SM or IMLive & lots and lots of privates that lasts more than 2 effing minutes! My middle finger shows love to every single one of them cheap bastards o nSM & IMLive and I flicked my middle finger up the whole time to that cheap as disrespectful shit on IMLive show too and the MF had no clue I was doing it either while I was rubbing my forehead & clit with my middle finger! bahahahaha :)

MelindaDeaner
11-26-2017, 07:24 AM
you will have to lower ur rates girl to 1.98 on SM if u want them to take u into shows -the shows a little bit longer but not by much but tons of them will take u private

SuperPookie
11-26-2017, 07:53 AM
you will have to lower ur rates girl to 1.98 on SM if u want them to take u into shows -the shows a little bit longer but not by much but tons of them will take u private
Yeah fuck that. I won't diddle myself for phone sex rates. It's insulting not only to me but to women in general and that's the sort of shit that teaches the guys that it's ok to be cheap fucks.

MelindaDeaner
11-26-2017, 08:18 AM
Yeah fuck that. I won't diddle myself for phone sex rates. It's insulting not only to me but to women in general and that's the sort of shit that teaches the guys that it's ok to be cheap fucks.

yep! I wish I could do phone sex-but niteflirt I never get anyone calling me and I'm available and no money to do a bid soo-I am about to get evicted if I don't come up with $1,110 in 3 mths back due rent by Thurs I gotta do what I gotta do then I'm out to look for real job!!

MelindaDeaner
11-26-2017, 09:06 AM
I mean I am still pissed about that douche, but traffic turned around. I am a late night/morning wood girl and anything else is bs. I go on early for regs and it is just bullshit tips, then they come back later for shows.
The lower your rates the lower quality guys you get. Occasionally I get the guys like little virgin faster out of spite, but for the most part life is easier with higher rates and straight up telling them no. Cultivate quality guys and you can usually make goal, make them like you so everything else is secondary. I lost a level 4 because I raised my rates by .25, doing better without him, gained 4 more 4s and a 5 without him.(He was my first 4) They want you to play that game don't let them, own you.
On topic the new dudes blow

girl I don't care at this point-my goal is to make $100 a day off IMLive & also SM together so I can come up with my 3 mths rent by end of week-then I am busting ass to find me a real job! lol I am soo done with this cheap ass industry-I am a medical biller for sake-just wish someone would hire me already in this small ass town! sigh

I don't have the computer and multiple good computers to stream all at once for this work-that's probably the problem but damn.. u have to make money in order to be able to spend for new equipment and it isn't happening for me so heck I gotta do what I gotta do this is only a temp rough patch for me-as I said I am worthy of a medical billing & coding job again

BadBitch
11-26-2017, 09:17 AM
you will have to lower ur rates girl to 1.98 on SM if u want them to take u into shows -the shows a little bit longer but not by much but tons of them will take u private

I am definitely not lowering my rate to 1.98. Fuck that.

MelindaDeaner
11-26-2017, 10:05 AM
I am definitely not lowering my rate to 1.98. Fuck that.

I'm only doing this for this week-to try to bring in money for once to get my 3 mths past due rent caught up then am going to a temp service hopefully by Thurs or Fri if my rent can get caught up to see if they can find me a job even tho its so close to the holidays -then once I find a job I'm quitting camming-well I will probably keep Cams for part time income since they are great! All other sites I'll be taking down even the social media pages -maybe I never did well with camming the 7 mths I've been doing this b/c I don't have money for a high tech i7 computer (u need 2) to make money and work a lot of sites at once or a $230 HD Conference zoom in/out webcam the one with remote like all the successful models have. I have never made $950-$1000 a mth doing this and I was better off working somewhere for min wage than doing this full time. I just lost a great medical billing job summer of 2016 I had for 3 freaking years and only found 1 job at $9 an hr that was medical billing that only lasted 6 mths that was 7 mths ago. I probably would consider actual porn than camming b/c at least with actual porn there is still money in it.

SuperPookie
11-26-2017, 10:17 AM
^^have you tried TalkToMe? You don't need to bid for placement there and you can also do Skype shows which don't require a really powerful computer.
The most common webcam is the Logitech 920 and you can get them for waaay less than 250.
What about the other Skype sites such as SkyPrivate,LiveCamModelShows,and MyFetishCamModels? You can log into all of them at once while you're waiting on shows on SM and you don't have to leave a tab open so there's not that drain on your computer.

SuperPookie
11-26-2017, 10:22 AM
...also you can budget your bidding on NiteFlirt and there's no need to pay to be number 1 as you'll just get clicked to death and draw the attention of bitchy models. Literally a few dollars a day can make a big difference. One short Skype show will pay for it and then some. If your listing isn't done with html that is an issue however you can get that done for you for quite reasonable rates if you're not looking for something to flashy.

Goldenx.Chiquis
11-26-2017, 11:14 AM
I'm only doing this for this week-to try to bring in money for once to get my 3 mths past due rent caught up then am going to a temp service hopefully by Thurs or Fri if my rent can get caught up to see if they can find me a job even tho its so close to the holidays -then once I find a job I'm quitting camming-well I will probably keep Cams for part time income since they are great! All other sites I'll be taking down even the social media pages -maybe I never did well with camming the 7 mths I've been doing this b/c I don't have money for a high tech i7 computer (u need 2) to make money and work a lot of sites at once or a $230 HD Conference zoom in/out webcam the one with remote like all the successful models have. I have never made $950-$1000 a mth doing this and I was better off working somewhere for min wage than doing this full time. I just lost a great medical billing job summer of 2016 I had for 3 freaking years and only found 1 job at $9 an hr that was medical billing that only lasted 6 mths that was 7 mths ago. I probably would consider actual porn than camming b/c at least with actual porn there is still money in it.

Girl I done seen your story 800 times... Don't listen to whatever another chick has to say to you that's not going to put money in your hands. Just do you and what works for you. They obviously are not in your shoes and don't understand that sometimes and majorly sex work isn't always Pearls and high ass rates... People have BILLS and have to get it how they can! So keep doing what works for you if it's bringing you money in. But of course once you get stable and have the PRIVILEGE to charge 9.99/min then you can do so... That's not the reality of everyone especially coming from a Woman of Color. If I didn't have a shitty civvie job along with Sex work I wouldn't be able to charge what I do. You literally have to have spend money to make money, and it's like any other business. Trial and error...


I am definitely not lowering my rate to 1.98. Fuck that.

Yeah fuck that. I won't diddle myself for phone sex rates. It's insulting not only to me but to women in general and that's the sort of shit that teaches the guys that it's ok to be cheap fucks.

If you wouldn't do it for that rate cool. Move on. You know what your rates are and what works for you, that's what is Currently working for her. You can obviously tell she just jumped into Sex work, I don't expect you to hold her hand, but given her situation she's stated 800 times just let her roll with what works for her. If you're worried about another low rate girl she said she just needs to pay her bills and she's done.

KatM
11-26-2017, 11:40 AM
Yeah fuck that. I won't diddle myself for phone sex rates. It's insulting not only to me but to women in general and that's the sort of shit that teaches the guys that it's ok to be cheap fucks.

Zero and extremely cheap gold shows had the same effect on SM, i can understand her situation but these practices together with pics and vids offerings for cheap or for free made SM what it is now, not happy about it. I have medium fees but i dont want to lower them and sell my shows for cheap.

sexkitten_666
11-26-2017, 12:00 PM
Girllllll I lowered my rates on SM to make rent to $2.99 and went from making $18/hr to $50 non stop shows and even tips after shows. Camming is not my main hustle so idgaf as long as bills are paid. I was on my lil high horse charging 3x that and not making shit for what I was doing. Sometimes you have to lower your rates and make that money. Don't let people who have the privilege of not ever having to do so make you feel bad. Many of us have done it. Hell, I've seen top row girls doing it. Camming is not the same. Unless you're a legend in the game, $9.99 a minute is not gonna work lmao not these days.

sexkitten_666
11-26-2017, 12:02 PM
Adapt or fail. Many of us had to learn the hard way that stubbornness and unwillingness to change in this industry gets you nowhere.

MelindaDeaner
11-26-2017, 12:16 PM
Girllllll I lowered my rates on SM to make rent to $2.99 and went from making $18/hr to $50 non stop shows and even tips after shows. Camming is not my main hustle so idgaf as long as bills are paid. I was on my lil high horse charging 3x that and not making shit for what I was doing. Sometimes you have to lower your rates and make that money. Don't let people who have the privilege of not ever having to do so make you feel bad. Many of us have done it. Hell, I've seen top row girls doing it. Camming is not the same. Unless you're a legend in the game, $9.99 a minute is not gonna work lmao not these days.


Girl! no it won't work in these days U RIGHT !! lol Love ya!! I did medical billing & coding last 5 yrs-need to move to a bigger city for it now sigh

hyori
11-26-2017, 12:41 PM
Just a reminder that 35% of $1.99 = 0.69 and 35% of $2.99 = $1.04.

laurielegs
11-26-2017, 12:43 PM
Yeah fuck that. I won't diddle myself for phone sex rates. It's insulting not only to me but to women in general and that's the sort of shit that teaches the guys that it's ok to be cheap fucks.

I would have agreed with you a few months ago but it seems like everything has changed lately, at least it has for me. I hope it's temporary but it's just not getting better for me and I have to do something. I'm at my wit's end. It's going to trash my ratings probably and going to be an endless stream of annoying cheap bastards but like others have said, I have bills to pay and I need to get my hourly money back up to $50 an hour.

I'm going to lower my rates to see if it helps, but I'm putting a tagline up "special price this week" or something like that and hoping I can raise it back up eventually.

laurielegs
11-26-2017, 12:47 PM
Just a reminder that 35% of $1.99 = 0.69 and 35% of $2.99 = $1.04.

Ouch.

It's killing me to lower my rates but I'm hoping this will bring multiple viewers in so I can get my hourly pay back up. I'm making literally NOTHING some hours. Nothing is working for me any more.

KatM
11-26-2017, 01:10 PM
Ouch.

It's killing me to lower my rates but I'm hoping this will bring multiple viewers in so I can get my hourly pay back up. I'm making literally NOTHING some hours. Nothing is working for me any more.

Just curious, what rates u have now and what rates u plan to work with?
I am at $4.49 pvt and 5.99 excl and getting 30% here, i consider my rates to be medium to low compared to others's rates but i see u guys talking about going lower while others say we should go higher in 'challenge - increase rates' kind of threads so what gives?!
Is this a new trend on Sm with lowish rates?! I dont do gold shows or own a vibe toy, only pvt's and i suffer from lack of paying traffic, i charge too much or what?! Confused here!!

sexkitten_666
11-26-2017, 01:12 PM
Just a reminder that 35% of $1.99 = 0.69 and 35% of $2.99 = $1.04.

Right, at base level.. but keep in mind that you can have more than one person in private. When I pulled my rates down, I had 2+ guys in private at a time for most of my shows. Guys popping in and staying during another show. Not to mention, I don't get fully naked or masturbate on cam anymore and I'm visible pregnant, so I can't imagine how much better other models might do.

Either way, lower rates don't work for everyone, but I think it seems silly to slam girls who it's obviously working for. I'll rather $50/hr over $7 any day if all I had to do is lower my rates for a bit..

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-26-2017, 01:15 PM
I'm only doing this for this week-to try to bring in money for once to get my 3 mths past due rent caught up then am going to a temp service hopefully by Thurs or Fri if my rent can get caught up to see if they can find me a job even tho its so close to the holidays -then once I find a job I'm quitting camming-well I will probably keep Cams for part time income since they are great! All other sites I'll be taking down even the social media pages -maybe I never did well with camming the 7 mths I've been doing this b/c I don't have money for a high tech i7 computer (u need 2) to make money and work a lot of sites at once or a $230 HD Conference zoom in/out webcam the one with remote like all the successful models have. I have never made $950-$1000 a mth doing this and I was better off working somewhere for min wage than doing this full time. I just lost a great medical billing job summer of 2016 I had for 3 freaking years and only found 1 job at $9 an hr that was medical billing that only lasted 6 mths that was 7 mths ago. I probably would consider actual porn than camming b/c at least with actual porn there is still money in it.

There's so much misinformation in this post and I wonder if this could be part of the problem?

1. You don't need two computers with an I7 processor. One is enough and an I5 processor can get the job done. Even on SM.

2. You don't need a $230 camera. Right now a Logitech C920 is selling in ebay fo $50. This is still the cammodel standard and even high earners are using it.

3. Porn is NOT where the money is at. Whats being paid per scene today is lower now than it was years ago. Today the most coveted porn stars are out there hustling for themselves producing and distributing their own content. And they've started camming as well. You'll get offered maybe if you're lucky $2000 a scene but most likely less than that. Produce your own content and you will make far more and continue to make money vs just the one time.

On the topic of rates, thats a personal choice and I wont go too deep into that. Just know that dropping your rates just like raising them doesnt work for everyone. No matter the rate a strong hustle mixed with finesse is required.

I think its admirable that you're able to see this is something thats not right for you. Some have a hard time admitting this and get stuck in a circle. Maybe once you get situated in a new job you'll have more time to apply all the great advice you've been given all over this forum and also map out a course of action. Signing up for so many sites and trying out everything is doing too much. Its best if you just pick two sites in the beginning and go hard on it.

I wish you the best in reaching your goal and finding a new job. I know the Holidays can be a stressful time and it really sucks when you're in the weeds. Because thats all you see, weeds. Hopefully you'll come out on the otherside of this relieved and rejuvenated.

laurielegs
11-26-2017, 01:33 PM
Just curious, what rates u have now and what rates u plan to work with?
I am at $4.49 pvt and 5.99 excl and getting 30% here, i consider my rates to be medium to low compared to others's rates but i see u guys talking about going lower while others say we should go higher in 'challenge - increase rates' kind of threads so what gives?!
Is this a new trend on Sm with lowish rates?! I dont do gold shows or own a vibe toy, only pvt's and i suffer from lack of paying traffic, i charge too much or what?! Confused here!!

I've always been a fan of higher rates, until the money just stopped for me these last few months.

I've been at 6.69/9.99, sometimes 5.99/9.99 during daytime hours, going back up at night. Worked for me pretty well for years.

I'm not even sure going down to 2.99 will even help but I am getting behind with bills, used way too much of my savings this year to just maintain and things that used to work for me are not helping so far.

coco789
11-26-2017, 01:42 PM
How long have things been slow for you ladies before you thought about or actually lowered your rates?

BadBitch
11-26-2017, 03:04 PM
Girl I done seen your story 800 times... Don't listen to whatever another chick has to say to you that's not going to put money in your hands. Just do you and what works for you. They obviously are not in your shoes and don't understand that sometimes and majorly sex work isn't always Pearls and high ass rates... People have BILLS and have to get it how they can! So keep doing what works for you if it's bringing you money in. But of course once you get stable and have the PRIVILEGE to charge 9.99/min then you can do so... That's not the reality of everyone especially coming from a Woman of Color. If I didn't have a shitty civvie job along with Sex work I wouldn't be able to charge what I do. You literally have to have spend money to make money, and it's like any other business. Trial and error...




If you wouldn't do it for that rate cool. Move on. You know what your rates are and what works for you, that's what is Currently working for her. You can obviously tell she just jumped into Sex work, I don't expect you to hold her hand, but given her situation she's stated 800 times just let her roll with what works for her. If you're worried about another low rate girl she said she just needs to pay her bills and she's done.

I was just giving her advice on what the outcome of doing $1.98 shows would be. I'm trying to be helpful. Trying to help her to NOT have a sore-ass pussy and 1 star ratings. Also, lowering your rates will attract the peepers - popping in and out of your pvts. I have watched top models who charge upwards of $14.99 get shows the past couple of days. No. I will not lower my rates. I'm fucking worth every penny of what I charge.

kamiliam
11-26-2017, 03:28 PM
I was just giving her advice on what the outcome of doing $1.98 shows would be. I'm trying to be helpful. Trying to help her to NOT have a sore-ass pussy and 1 star ratings. Also, lowering your rates will attract the peepers - popping in and out of your pvts. I have watched top models who charge upwards of $14.99 get shows the past couple of days. No. I will not lower my rates. I'm fucking worth every penny of what I charge.

This! When I first started there was a guy who convinced me to lower my rate to that level and wanted me to do everything under the sun, he would stay for like 45 minutes and I would be so sore and feel so cheated. God I was dumb. Now I would rather chill and wait for someone decent. As I have slowly raised my rates I have lost some guys that were lots of fun. I became too expensive for them that's ok. Perhaps if I reach multiple week slump I will lower by some, there is no way I would lower them that low, that is below what SM sets you up at!

anonymous camgirl
11-26-2017, 05:07 PM
That sucks you put yourself in a predicament.. I am all for surviving and getting yourself out of it any way you can... it's to bad.. but cheapening yourself towards men is not really the way.. they just deplete you til you have nothing left.. I am able to stand strong and stick to my guns... I charged $9.99 per min all week for exclusive and $7.99 per min for premium.. but I can afford to stand my ground.. the problem is with men is they just treat you like shit always.. they will NEVER show you are worth anything til you decide you are worth something.. and that starts with your rates.
I'm only doing this for this week-to try to bring in money for once to get my 3 mths past due rent caught up then am going to a temp service hopefully by Thurs or Fri if my rent can get caught up to see if they can find me a job even tho its so close to the holidays -then once I find a job I'm quitting camming-well I will probably keep Cams for part time income since they are great! All other sites I'll be taking down even the social media pages -maybe I never did well with camming the 7 mths I've been doing this b/c I don't have money for a high tech i7 computer (u need 2) to make money and work a lot of sites at once or a $230 HD Conference zoom in/out webcam the one with remote like all the successful models have. I have never made $950-$1000 a mth doing this and I was better off working somewhere for min wage than doing this full time. I just lost a great medical billing job summer of 2016 I had for 3 freaking years and only found 1 job at $9 an hr that was medical billing that only lasted 6 mths that was 7 mths ago. I probably would consider actual porn than camming b/c at least with actual porn there is still money in it.

BadBitch
11-26-2017, 05:23 PM
This! When I first started there was a guy who convinced me to lower my rate to that level and wanted me to do everything under the sun, he would stay for like 45 minutes and I would be so sore and feel so cheated. God I was dumb. Now I would rather chill and wait for someone decent. As I have slowly raised my rates I have lost some guys that were lots of fun. I became too expensive for them that's ok. Perhaps if I reach multiple week slump I will lower by some, there is no way I would lower them that low, that is below what SM sets you up at!

Exactly! Look, whatever works for you - if you want to lower your price to make rent, go for it. I'm just saying that (speaking from experience) it attracts the pond scum. I don't want to see you do that to yourself.


That sucks you put yourself in a predicament.. I am all for surviving and getting yourself out of it any way you can... it's to bad.. but cheapening yourself towards men is not really the way.. they just deplete you til you have nothing left.. I am able to stand strong and stick to my guns... I charged $9.99 per min all week for exclusive and $7.99 per min for premium.. but I can afford to stand my ground.. the problem is with men is they just treat you like shit always.. they will NEVER show you are worth anything til you decide you are worth something.. and that starts with your rates.

THIS!

Panthera
11-26-2017, 09:09 PM
Oh yes, this is SO true! Sad but true! One of the reasons I felt frustrated in this job, because I could never find anyone that would see me other than through the eye of his penis, no matter how hard they tried to seem "nice" and "interested in my well being". Now I stopped even trying to look for human kindness in them. It happened at times in the past, I guess we all had these phases when we felt down and needed a friend and talked to some guy that seemed nice and he went like "oh babe, rub your pussy for me, that will make you feel way better" LOL. Even if it was in private.


That sucks you put yourself in a predicament.. I am all for surviving and getting yourself out of it any way you can... it's to bad.. but cheapening yourself towards men is not really the way.. they just deplete you til you have nothing left.. ...... the problem is with men is they just treat you like shit always.. they will NEVER show you are worth anything til you decide you are worth something.. and that starts with your rates.

Goldenx.Chiquis
11-26-2017, 09:21 PM
I would have agreed with you a few months ago but it seems like everything has changed lately, at least it has for me. I hope it's temporary but it's just not getting better for me and I have to do something. I'm at my wit's end. It's going to trash my ratings probably and going to be an endless stream of annoying cheap bastards but like others have said, I have bills to pay and I need to get my hourly money back up to $50 an hour.

I'm going to lower my rates to see if it helps, but I'm putting a tagline up "special price this week" or something like that and hoping I can raise it back up eventually.

Nothing to be ashamed of love YOU GOT THIS! ;D There's no such thing as certainty any more and it would be insanity to stick with your same prices if you're currently not getting business. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. And then others who don't know you or act like they do will judge regardless, "Well you need to advertise more/better." "Well if you can't handle the slow times, maybe sex work isn't for you." When all we need is solidarity but met with a shit load of condescending remarks. Like I said if girls not Feeding you, Fucking you, or Financing you it ain't their concern. :) You might even get some regulars hooked with your special as well and be so in love they'll adjust to your old rates again! Who knows? :-*

naomi_doll
11-26-2017, 09:37 PM
Oh yes, this is SO true! Sad but true! One of the reasons I felt frustrated in this job, because I could never find anyone that would see me other than through the eye of his penis, no matter how hard they tried to seem "nice" and "interested in my well being". Now I stopped even trying to look for human kindness in them. It happened at times in the past, I guess we all had these phases when we felt down and needed a friend and talked to some guy that seemed nice and he went like "oh babe, rub your pussy for me, that will make you feel way better" LOL. Even if it was in private.

My first couple of years of camming that was really hard for me too. We're human, and these people don't see us that way almost. But in our day to day lives we don't really expect other people in the service industry to pour their heart out to us when things were hard for them. We'd probably actually find it pretty uncomfortable. I do have regulars who get that life happens, but they still want the service they paid for.

Talking to you guys and reaching out to my friends and family helped give me the balance I needed.

kamiliam
11-26-2017, 11:23 PM
Nothing to be ashamed of love YOU GOT THIS! ;D There's no such thing as certainty any more and it would be insanity to stick with your same prices if you're currently not getting business. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. And then others who don't know you or act like they do will judge regardless, "Well you need to advertise more/better." "Well if you can't handle the slow times, maybe sex work isn't for you." When all we need is solidarity but met with a shit load of condescending remarks. Like I said if girls not Feeding you, Fucking you, or Financing you it ain't their concern. :) You might even get some regulars hooked with your special as well and be so in love they'll adjust to your old rates again! Who knows? :-*

I am not trying to start a fight AT ALL but we are already one of the lowest paid sex workers (sometimes pornstars too lol by hours/exposure and whatnot) The market is important, it does matter for me as a "vanilla" sex worker if there were people undercutting the normal rate, short term fine whatever do you, but to promote charging WAY lower rates for all of us is wrong. It is my concern you are making them think certain acts are a ok at 60 ish cents per min, yeah that isn't proper rates, anyone can get mad at me but I don't care, I cannot live with that payout, maybe you are lucky to live places where that rate is ok, but for me anything less than a much higher amount being banded about is a joke and I could not live.
If you are having that hard of a time finding a job I will post resources, but I went into adult work to make more money, not to survive. We give too much for that, this is not the industry for everyone. I have every right to have an opinion on that. Should I not be pissed about some girl who says I look just like "..." but I do it for 5 bucks cheaper? I love this site but it makes it hard to post here if you do well most of the time, I don't want to post: don't want to brag cause that is gross. I can have a bad night and want to vent without hearing if I charge bargain prices is the only way to avoid this. There is bs and I wanna vent with he only people who understand. There is fucking dumb shit all the time and sometimes we bomb, but if I sucked all the time I would QUIT. Yeah do you but there is responsibility with that.

Goldenx.Chiquis
11-26-2017, 11:42 PM
I am not trying to start a fight AT ALL but we are already one of the lowest paid sex workers (sometimes pornstars too lol by hours/exposure and whatnot) The market is important, it does matter for me as a "vanilla" sex worker if there were people undercutting the normal rate, short term fine whatever do you, but to promote charging WAY lower rates for all of us is wrong. It is my concern you are making them think certain acts are a ok at 60 ish cents per min, yeah that isn't proper rates, anyone can get mad at me but I don't care, I cannot live with that payout, maybe you are lucky to live places where that rate is ok, but for me anything less than a much higher amount being banded about is a joke and I could not live.
If you are having that hard of a time finding a job I will post resources, but I went into adult work to make more money, not to survive. We give too much for that, this is not the industry for everyone. I have every right to have an opinion on that. Should I not be pissed about some girl who says I look just like "..." but I do it for 5 bucks cheaper? I love this site but it makes it hard to post here if you do well most of the time, I don't want to post: don't want to brag cause that is gross. I can have a bad night and want to vent without hearing if I charge bargain prices is the only way to avoid this. There is bs and I wanna vent with he only people who understand. There is fucking dumb shit all the time and sometimes we bomb, but if I sucked all the time I would QUIT. Yeah do you but there is responsibility with that.

Ok... I'ma stop you right there :) you said "Short term fine whatever do you." Yes I'm promoting lowering your rate for short term because Bills don't stop for no one! That's my main point I'm trying to convey. Then you say, "but to promote charging WAY lower rates for all of us is wrong." When did I say lower your rates to everyone? I'm promoting survival - like I said before not everyone is PRIVILEGED to stay at $5,6,7,8,9.99 an hour. Not everyone has a support system for when their money get's funny. Not everyone has thousands of dollars in their savings accounts for bad months. Not everyone... Do you see my point? Even Anonymous Camgirl said the key words
.. but I can afford to stand my ground..

It's not about having respect for your self... It's about affordability and sustaining yourself. And then again you said "I can not live with that payout." Nobody told YOU to lower your rates boo. You inserted yourself there. And you obviously missed the whole part about me saying once she's at a good place again to raise her rates she might gain new customers but ok let's cherry pick. *Shrug* So I'll stop my 2 cents right here.

kamiliam
11-27-2017, 12:04 AM
Ok... I'ma stop you right there :) you said "Short term fine whatever do you." Yes I'm promoting lowering your rate for short term because Bills don't stop for no one! That's my main point I'm trying to convey. Then you say, "but to promote charging WAY lower rates for all of us is wrong." When did I say lower your rates to everyone? I'm promoting survival - like I said before not everyone is PRIVILEGED to stay at $5,6,7,8,9.99 an hour. Not everyone has a support system for when their money get's funny. Not everyone has thousands of dollars in their savings accounts for bad months. Not everyone... Do you see my point? Even Anonymous Camgirl said the key words

It's not about having respect for your self... It's about affordability and sustaining yourself. And then again you said "I can not live with that payout." Nobody told YOU to lower your rates boo. You inserted yourself there. And you obviously missed the whole part about me saying once she's at a good place again to raise her rates she might gain new customers but ok let's cherry pick. *Shrug* So I'll stop my 2 cents right here.

Ok i will make a larger stand then, that rate is not one anyone should take on. Sexwork is worth more then mcdonalds. It lowers you and me, lowers all of us. I was trying to accept and love her making her $, but when told that this is not a real job compared to other things I laugh. I worked a normal job and make more...degree certs all of it. I worked corporate for years and could go back any second, I don't want to because I love this job. I want all the $, if you don't get it reassess or leave... once again not judging just a hard industry like breaking into anything with no research or experience. try doing PR with no experience...Really not trying to be a dick but if you cant make money on this I don't know what to tell you long term that rate will kill you. your low rates will kill girls who actually do this for a living and not a little stop over.

Goldenx.Chiquis
11-27-2017, 12:15 AM
Ok i will make a larger stand then, that rate is not one anyone should take on. Sexwork is worth more then mcdonalds. It lowers you and me, lowers all of us. I was trying to accept and love her making her $, but when told that this is not a real job compared to other things I laugh. I worked a normal job and make more...degree certs all of it. I worked corporate for years and could go back any second, I don't want to because I love this job. I want all the $, if you don't get it reassess or leave... once again not judging just a hard industry like breaking into anything with no research or experience. try doing PR with no experience...Really not trying to be a dick but if you cant make money on this I don't know what to tell you long term that rate will kill you. your low rates will kill girls who actually do this for a living and not a little stop over.

I understand the "It's not a real job thing" I was gonna touch on that cause that is invalidating. Because people quit their civvie jobs and hop into sex work like its easy money but.... Lmao it's funny because I don't even work on streamate boo so what are you talking about :biggrin: Are you talking to me or Melinda cause you aren't separating your thoughts they're all jumbled up. :O

kamiliam
11-27-2017, 12:35 AM
I understand the "It's not a real job thing" I was gonna touch on that cause that is invalidating. Because people quit their civvie jobs and hop into sex work like its easy money but.... Lmao it's funny because I don't even work on streamate boo so what are you talking about :biggrin: Are you talking to me or Melinda cause you aren't separating your thoughts they're all jumbled up. :O
it is not jumbled I would never attack a person directly that is intentional. I understand hardships which is why I am being understanding of something which I find offensive. Women first, but like if you don't work on the site you don't know the culture, we charge more because of the cut the clientele etc, therefore making her rate more outrageous. I tried to send you a pm but the site hates me lol.
i never want to be a bitch not in my nature, but this is difference between people who work this job and think it is quick $. I think long term, i just had an 30 min block while typing originally, the money is still there ladies despite the shit. But please vent we need to. no one else listens, there is stuff that is messed up and we need to talk.

Goldenx.Chiquis
11-27-2017, 12:55 AM
it is not jumbled I would never attack a person directly that is intentional. I understand hardships which is why I am being understanding of something which I find offensive. Women first, but like if you don't work on the site you don't know the culture, we charge more because of the cut the clientele etc, therefore making her rate more outrageous. I tried to send you a pm but the site hates me lol.

So if you wouldn't attack a person directly why keep using my quotes, are you sub-quoting lol? The site isn't rocket science so nice divisive "You don't know the culture" I used to work on SM about a year ago so know the aspects of the site except for a few ad-ons and traffic has changed. At the end of the day you're policing her and her autonomy to charge whatever she wants whether it's McDonald's prices or not "reassess or leave." She reassessed the situation and found out what worked for her...And it's not affecting your and I mean YOUR bank is it? Just curious. Because if you're really top quality like you imply you are then wouldn't the quality guys like to spend money with a chick that "Knows her worth"? If they aren't clients you would want to have at all and she only has to deal with them for a day or two why would you be pressed? You wouldn't want a cheap paying customer anyway so... How does someone having low rates for a day or a week, or month affect your bank if it's just a "little stop over"?

kamiliam
11-27-2017, 01:18 AM
So if you wouldn't attack a person directly why keep using my quotes, are you sub-quoting lol? The site isn't rocket science so nice divisive "You don't know the culture" I used to work on SM about a year ago so know the aspects of the site except for a few ad-ons and traffic has changed. At the end of the day you're policing her and her autonomy to charge whatever she wants whether it's McDonald's prices or not "reassess or leave." She reassessed the situation and found out what worked for her...And it's not affecting your and I mean YOUR bank is it? Just curious. Because if you're really top quality like you imply you are then wouldn't the quality guys like to spend money with a chick that "Knows her worth"? If they aren't clients you would want to have at all and she only has to deal with them for a day or two why would you be pressed? You wouldn't want a cheap paying customer anyway so... How does someone having low rates for a day or a week, or month affect your bank if it's just a "little stop over"?

Girl I am done. I am not sure why you want to antagonize someone with experience on SM when you have little, but it is cool. Guys like deals therefore when there are SUPER low rates it bothers me, girls charging nothing does have impact on my business. This is the very reason top or semi top girls don't post here very much. So sorry but if you don't work on a site don't antagonize those who do. I really don't appreciate you insinuation that I do not do well, maybe you should pm me? I don't really know why you want to get kinda beefy but have fun.
Also to add you are correct that I should not have quoted you initially. I just wanted to respond to the general theme rather than attack. So I apologize for that.

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 06:48 AM
I haven't read thru all the threads of comments via me lowering my prices on CMD, SM, & IMlive but I just wanted to apologize to each and everyone of you for my high horse yesterday & if I had offended any of you I am sorry. I was just stressing over not making money in this sex cam industry for the last 7 mths & my rent & bills have been getting further & further behind. So I decided hell, I got drunk yesterday afternoon to relieve my stress and now I'm fine! lol. I do have a strategy and lowering my rates on CMD, IMLive & SM I'll have to do what I have to do to get paid shows. I don't plan on making those my main sites anymore once I can manage to get my rent caught up this week tho. I'm replacing them to make Cams my main site to work every day (once I start getting my bi weekly checks/deposits w/ Cams on a regular bases) as I love my customers so much on there-they never rush me when they do private shows with me & they tip lots & lots to play with me via my Lovense lush tip vibe I have, they are engaging customers & they talk & interact with you and never complain about my rates. I should get that Direct Deposit with Cams for whatever I finish making this week by 11/30 by next Thurs 12/7th then I will start having my bi weekly earnings w/ Cams for stable income (they have never let me down). I'll just run SM & IMlive split camming together 4-5 hrs max 5 days a week for the added income of $50 a day on each of the sites which will bring me $100 a day on both for added income towards my Cams income. (as it seems it takes 4 hrs on each of the sites to make $50 on both at my lower rates) If I manage to make $50 a day/$100 a day for both those sites I won't be working them at all on the weekends b/c those customers aren't worth my time to be working weekends. SP,LCMS,CMD I always have the sites logged in all day & night anyways waiting for the Skype requests to trickle in. (I will be turning my sound off tho on my cell & Skype when I am done for the night on Skype so they don't bother me during my off time (as they more so CMD & SP) aren't worth my time anymore stressing over putting makeup back on when I am in bed relaxing or staying up over 24 hrs to be there to get there requests at 11pm-4 or 5am wen 99% of the time they are all payment fraud or time waster, free chat loader custies) SO it should all work out after next week hopefully! :) Hope everyone has an awesome week and banks good this week! :)

Blovely
11-27-2017, 08:01 AM
Girl I done seen your story 800 times... Don't listen to whatever another chick has to say to you that's not going to put money in your hands. Just do you and what works for you. They obviously are not in your shoes and don't understand that sometimes and majorly sex work isn't always Pearls and high ass rates... People have BILLS and have to get it how they can! So keep doing what works for you if it's bringing you money in. But of course once you get stable and have the PRIVILEGE to charge 9.99/min then you can do so... That's not the reality of everyone especially coming from a Woman of Color. If I didn't have a shitty civvie job along with Sex work I wouldn't be able to charge what I do. You literally have to have spend money to make money, and it's like any other business. Trial and error...

I get what you are saying but as a dark-skin black chick I don't think woc or black models have to earn the privilege to be able to charge a higher price. Not saying that you were implying this but I've never felt that being a women of color, black woman, dark-skin chick meant that I had to charge a lower rate or that I couldn't charge a certain amount. I do understand why one may feel that way though and I do think that WOC especially black women have to work harder to get to the same position. As a camgirl in general, no matter the race I feel that one has to level up to be able to charge a higher rate like upgrading your equipment, upgrading your look, perfecting your hustle, perfecting your show, etc. When I started out I charged like $2.99 because I didn't know any better. Over the years as I learned more about this industry, niche's, tech I started to increased my rates. Now I'm $14.99/$11.99 and I silently laugh (because they don't a response) at mofo's who say I'm not worth it. Although I'm attractive and I think it perfectly fine to base your rate of your looks and morals I base it on the quality of my show, my skills and equipment. I tend to raise my price when I get new equipment/do an upgrade. For me rates represent how much I've invested in my camming career and the work I've put in to perfect my skills.

I too think that rates are personal and subjective. I've played around with my rates many times. Charging a lower rate was a disservice to me because I had to work harder and not smarter. It would take me like 5-10 shows to make the amount that I made doing 1 show at higher rate. I personally always felt like shit when I charged a lower rate because whenever I looked at my earnings I couldn't help but think of the amount I would've made if I was at my higher rate. I think charging lower makes sense if you are able to make more than what you made at a higher rate i.e. $50/hr vs $7 for a shift like SK stated.

When I had a lower rate I didn't make more money. I got more shows yeah but I usually didn't make the same amount as I did at a higher rate and if by some miracle I did make the same or higher it was because I did like 50x the amount of shows. With how camming currently is now for me it doesn't make sense to lower my rate when I see that the problem is the lack of traffic. Because the traffic is abysmal it doesn't increase no matter if I have a lower or higher rate, either way I still sit in freechat with no traffic. I feel like if I gotta wait spans of time for guys to come into my room and for a show then I may as well charge as much as possible so that I can get as much as possible from these guys when I do finally get a show.

I don't think GS and or girls lowering their rates is the sole reason why SM is like it is today. I think a combination of things with GS being included made SM the way it is now. When I actually put in the hours I was doing great until 2015. When GS were at its peak I was still able to make good money without doing GS or selling videos. I was actually getting to my peak between 2013-Jan 2015. Everything started to really go to shit for me around February 2015. SM imo has slacked off over the years. They were doing many things that they aren't doing now. They use to have a big banner on the side of the site that promoted their themed show, they use to go heavy on commercials, they use to actually have decent support, etc. SM has also failed immensely with keeping up with tech demands and customer relations which I think is a huge factor (but not the only factor) why things are like they are now. So I don't think its fair to try an blame models for how SM is now. SM played a huge part in the current state and culture of the site. I also think that outside forces (google, the economy and the govt) has played a part as well. If you look at other industries music, movies, Youtube, Ebay, etc you'll notice that they have changed as well. Many people from those industry have stated that over the years their earnings have declined and that its become harder to make money. People aren't spending like they use to and many people are struggling because of the economy. I personally think that the digital world as a whole has reached its peak. Now many people even celebs have to juggle many jobs to make what they use to make with 1 job.

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 08:11 AM
I also want to give a shout out to all the girls on here that has helped me and gave me advice! I'd be lost in the camming world if it wasn't for this site!!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-27-2017, 08:18 AM
I also want to give a shout out to all the girls on here that has helped me and gave me advice! I'd be lost in the camming world if it wasn't for this site!!

Everything will come together for you. It will I'm sure of it. Just breathe :)

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 08:18 AM
Girllllll I lowered my rates on SM to make rent to $2.99 and went from making $18/hr to $50 non stop shows and even tips after shows. Camming is not my main hustle so idgaf as long as bills are paid. I was on my lil high horse charging 3x that and not making shit for what I was doing. Sometimes you have to lower your rates and make that money. Don't let people who have the privilege of not ever having to do so make you feel bad. Many of us have done it. Hell, I've seen top row girls doing it. Camming is not the same. Unless you're a legend in the game, $9.99 a minute is not gonna work lmao not these days.

Thanks for letting me know this-I was feeling like maybe there is something wrong with me and I know I have a crappy computer etc etc. but still! lol I did try the $2.99 Prem $3.99 Excl on SM a couple mths back and I was making pretty decent that one week until the SM traffic went to crap! For some reason I don't get any shows at the $2.99 Prem now tho-I'm at $1.99 Prem & $2.99 Excl right now-yesterday I worked that for 4 hrs and got back to back shows-I'll eventually will try to increase the SM rates gradually little by little to test out the traffic. Right now my goal is to work 8 hrs a day all this week at those rates splitcamming w/ IMLive then after this week I will only work M-F 4 hrs a day splitcamming IMLive w/ SM for added income and since I get daily pay with them. After this week I am moving over to Cams full time for my main site since I make good money and my customers are great on Cams-traffic has been consistent for me too on there (mornings & at night not during mid day)

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 08:54 AM
^^have you tried TalkToMe? You don't need to bid for placement there and you can also do Skype shows which don't require a really powerful computer.
The most common webcam is the Logitech 920 and you can get them for waaay less than 250.
What about the other Skype sites such as SkyPrivate,LiveCamModelShows,and MyFetishCamModels? You can log into all of them at once while you're waiting on shows on SM and you don't have to leave a tab open so there's not that drain on your computer.

I was approved for Talk To Me & spent hours on creating my listings and profile etc while I was waiting for the verification approval-forgot about it for like a week or so and tried to log back in a couple weeks ago but they had banned me-I was able to email support about not logging in and they were asses to me! Told me they banned me (not deactivated my acct but banned me) for not answering there call that was needed to work on there or some sort. (I never got the call and I probably ignored it if I did b/c of an out of state # -in case one of my IMLive or Cams custies try to call me frm when I did a phone camming session with them-I won't answer calls I don't know! It never said they needed to interview or call me during my account set up either that I was aware of. They could of at least had the audacity to email me to let me know they tried calling me for whatever interview or verification that was needed instead of calling me once to no avail and ban me frm the site before I ever had a chance to work on it.) The email said I would need to contact (whatever name he gave me) that was in charge of my account etc and would be up to that person to unreleased me frm being banned. I just didn't feel like going thru those frustrations when I simply did nothing but want to work on the site so I haven't emailed that person about it yet. What I may do when I feel like getting around to it is set up another acct w/ Talk To Me using a different email address to see if the 2nd account will slide by and be approved and if it does I'll just make sure to answer all calls I may get that week to ensure I get there call the 2nd go around.. (As far as other Skype sites, I am wth SP, LCMS & MyFetishCamGIrls-that site I never have got any show requests on b/c I need to bring my own traffic for that site)

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 09:13 AM
Girl I done seen your story 800 times... Don't listen to whatever another chick has to say to you that's not going to put money in your hands. Just do you and what works for you. They obviously are not in your shoes and don't understand that sometimes and majorly sex work isn't always Pearls and high ass rates... People have BILLS and have to get it how they can! So keep doing what works for you if it's bringing you money in. But of course once you get stable and have the PRIVILEGE to charge 9.99/min then you can do so... That's not the reality of everyone especially coming from a Woman of Color. If I didn't have a shitty civvie job along with Sex work I wouldn't be able to charge what I do. You literally have to have spend money to make money, and it's like any other business. Trial and error...




If you wouldn't do it for that rate cool. Move on. You know what your rates are and what works for you, that's what is Currently working for her. You can obviously tell she just jumped into Sex work, I don't expect you to hold her hand, but given her situation she's stated 800 times just let her roll with what works for her. If you're worried about another low rate girl she said she just needs to pay her bills and she's done.


Just an FYI: I wasn't trying to upset in any way other cam models on here or get other cam models obviously that are way more successful than me to lower there rates on SM-If there rates are working for them that's great!! I was just venting & upset yesterday when I was ranting and posting... I was just trying to simplify that from what I discovered on SM yesterday that all those INS & OUTS everyone keeps getting for mths now on SM aren't the member bot theory we all thought was going on. They are actual real customers that will actually stay in ur room and chat and take u private if u lowered ur rates some. That has been my experience (I sat for 2 hours yesterday morning watching all the INS & OUTS logged out changed my rate lower and BAM! That's when they all started hanging in the chat room responding back to me and then was getting back to back shows. No I don't plan on keeping my rates that low but I doubt I will be ever able to go past the $2.99 Prem mark without a new upgraded PC unless the SM traffic changes for the better. I can eventually get the HD C920 webcam as they aren't but like $10-$15 more than what I bought the HDC615 for also.

Blovely
11-27-2017, 09:19 AM
Once I find a job I'm quitting camming-well I will probably keep Cams for part time income since they are great! All other sites I'll be taking down even the social media pages -maybe I never did well with camming the 7 mths I've been doing this b/c I don't have money for a high tech i7 computer (u need 2) to make money and work a lot of sites at once or a $230 HD Conference zoom in/out webcam the one with remote like all the successful models have. I have never made $950-$1000 a mth doing this and I was better off working somewhere for min wage than doing this full time. I just lost a great medical billing job summer of 2016 I had for 3 freaking years and only found 1 job at $9 an hr that was medical billing that only lasted 6 mths that was 7 mths ago. I probably would consider actual porn than camming b/c at least with actual porn there is still money in it.
Warning in advanced this is gonna be a long post. I've been meaning to post about future careers/future plans for awhile it all kind all spilled out with your post. Anyways I feel you MD. I use to bring an ok amount on Imlive and Cams but that dissolved this year. The only camsite that I seem to be able to make money on anymore is SM and even with them my money has declined because there is no traffic.

I've mentioned having two i7's as well as conference cams on here a few times but like PGD you don't need all that. I only had two i7's because when I split SM, IM and Cams at their highest settings my computer would be at 100% usage, mind you that that computer is like a 4th generation i7 so its not as powerful as the i7's that are out now. I only got another i7 (which again is a 4th generation) because I couldn't really do anything on my computer because those sites consumed so much of the computer's usage. I wanted to be able to browse the internet, edit videos, etc at the same times as I cammed without having any issues or guys annoying me with "your freezing or your lagging". So I got another computer so that I could stream SM, edit video, browse the net on one computer and stream Imlive and Cams on another computer.

You don't need a ptz to be successful again like PGD said. The models that have ptz camera's usually get them because they want higher cam quality than a webcam and being able to pan/tilt/zoom remotely makes doing shows easier if you're the type to constantly move and change angles during your shows. I've made the money back that I spent on conference camera's but using them hasn't increased my earnings. I still use my Logitech c920 alot of the time, my earnings don't differ based on the camera I used that day. Since my earnings don't seem like they'll be rising from the dead and since I don't make shit on any sites besides SM these days I no longer feel the need to maintain the setup that I have or other camming accounts. I'll also be closing all of my camming accounts but I'm keeping SM active since I still make money on there. I thought about making my account on Imlive, Cams, Chaturbate, MFC, etc into voyeur accounts but I really don't want to be bothered with anything that doesn't make me easy money nor do I want to deal with annoying rules/warnings. Since splitting is pointless for me now I've decided to sell 95% of my equipment (conference camera's, cameras/camcorders, old webcams, my other computer, monitors, lighting, etc). I'm only keeping 1 computer, a few monitors, 1 webcam and 2 photography lights. You don't need an extreme setup to make money...all you need is a decent computer, a webcam, decent internet, decent lighting(which doesn't have to be professional) and a little bit of clean space to be able to move around.

I've been thinking about quitting on and off for a while as well but its really hard to let it go especially when it still brings in money (it may not be enough money but is money). It pains me that the money isn't great anymore because I really love camming. I like; interacting with the respectful guys, the power the comes with being able to excite them, the lifestyle it provides and the tech aspect of content creation (researching the latest camera's and seeing the amazing videos others are able to create, learning how to hook different shit up like conference camera, multi-monitors, etc). Unless you absolutely hate camming and don't want to do it anymore similar to what PGD said I think having your main income coming for something else may make being a camgirl easier and less stressful.

Because camming has gotten so shitty like you and many others I've been thinking really hard about other things I could do to bring in $$$. Even though quite a few guys have recently told me that they love my clips and wish I'd do more I can't bring myself to do clips consistently produced because I hate making clips so making content full-time is out of the question for me. Like you I plan on putting some of my other skills to use to bring in $$$ which for me is web development/tech. I've been avoiding becoming a web developer like a plague for a few reasons but mainly because I'm not creative and design is a struggle for me plus the only thing I like doing and have a passion for is camming. I thought about getting CCNA certificated because I'm pretty good at troubleshooting and there's alot of jobs in my area for IT but OMG there's a huge difference between being able to troubleshoot a few things vs reading a CCNA book and trying to learn Networking, Routing and Switching as a profession. Maybe in the future I'll try learning it again but for now no thanks.

I recently watched a video where someone said something along the lines of "Having a passion for something doesn't always matter. What matters is if you can do something everyday and not get sick off it.". That rang true to me because although I don't have a passion for WD I've been able to sit in front my monitor and code for like 6 months straight until my website was perfect to my eyes. Because I hate designing and I'm not really all that keen on programming I found that if I stick to web development instead of web design that I can get away with not having to design anything or do an extreme amount of coding. But the problem for me is that since I dropped out of college and started camming full-time shortly after and never did any work outside of creating my own sites/layouts for my adult persona that I don't have any real work experience in the web design/development field. So I've been brushing up on my skills as well as learning the current languages via Codecademy, Freecodecamp and Treehouse. By spending 4-6 hours a day learning new code and completing a portfolio I'm hoping that I'll be able to get a remote job or something that's really close to home (since I get anxiety from driving) in the next 1-3 months. Since I'm not entirely a entry level developer I'm thinking that I maybe better off than I thought.

Although I hate camming right now I am thankful for it right now. I'm able to somewhat easily learn and transition to a new career because I set my own schedule. I don't have to 100% worry about money or have to do a job that I hate while I make a career switch because I'm able to sit on cam and be available for shows while I code. Last but not least the equipment, setup and software that I bought for camming and creating content is exactly what I need to be able to be successful in web development bah ha ha. So thanks for that camming. MD, since you already have experience being a medical coder have you looked into medical billing work from home jobs? One of the main reasons why I finally decided to pressure a WD career is because its one of the few careers that will allow me to work from home and keep a lifestyle that's similar to camming. I legit get excited for some werid reason when I think of the possibility of being able to take my laptop to a restaurant or park/beach to do work.

If I'm able to get a remote job I think having that as my full-time income will make being a camgirl/content producer fun and enjoyable again. I feel like there will be little to no more stress from it because it will no longer be work, it will be side/extra income. I plan on only camming on SM and just do what I'm doing now i.e. leaving it open in the background while I work on other things with the camera setup in voyeur/ignore mode until or unless someone tips or goes pvt..... that way I can still make money from camming willing I earn $$ from vanilla work. When I have free time I want to make femdom and Youtube videos. Depending on how my Youtube videos go I may expand that into a vanilla-ish femdom persona across similar platforms like Younow, Twitch, Periscope, IG live, etc but I dunna yet because like I said I'm not all that creative. By doing WD, camming and clips I'm predicting that I'll be able to bring in at least 60k-80k which is enough for me. Once I have all of those things going I want to finally move out of this god forsaken town to an actually city where I'll be able to easily dance Wednesday-Saturday. I would've started dancing already to bring in much needed $$$ but none of the stripclubs are close. The way my anxiety is setup I know I'd be shaking like an earthquake from having to drive farther than down they block late at night 4 days a week, plus I would like to loose 10lbs first and I can't seem get them off to save my life. Once I have my WD, camming, clips and stripping schedule down packed I think I'll be able to pay everything completely off and be 100% debt free as well as have a nice little savings plus be able to setup a monthly budget for paid advertising for my website/persona so that I can make as much as money as possible off of camming, clips and phone sex without having to put in full-time effort.

Like you said MD this roughness is only temporary. I refuse to be struggling like I have been these last 2 years this time next year, in fact I don't want to be in this position of stressing from not being able to pay all of my bills and fearing collectors, repo, etc ever again. I'm hoping that if all of my plans go right with doing WD, camming, clips, phone sex and stripping that I won't have to worry about money and struggling because of money ever again. I want this struggle to be a thing of the past. Changing is easier said than done but its got to be done because I don't believe this is the best that things can be. I know there's a better life waiting for me where I'll be happy again where I don't have to worry about money or lack there off.

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 09:34 AM
Also-just another FYI -I am not the cause of why the SM traffic got so damn cheap on there! I started working on SM 1st week of Sept and had a pretty decent rate at the time considering I only get 30% w/ Boleyn Models for Daily Pay so my rate back then was manageable & I made good money on there at the time working only 28 hrs. After that week it went to shit and so I really stopped working on SM after that one successful week. So that being said: SM cheap crappy traffic has nothing to do with me-they were there way before I even started on the site! It's obvious that SM is getting the cheap traffic themselves and putting them there by wherever they advertise us on etc

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 09:38 AM
Warning in advanced this is gonna be a long post. I've been meaning to post about future careers/future plans for awhile it all kind all spilled out with your post. Anyways I feel you MD. I use to bring an ok amount on Imlive and Cams but that dissolved this year. The only camsite that I seem to be able to make money on anymore is SM and even with them my money has declined because there is no traffic.

I've mentioned having two i7's as well as conference cams on here a few times but like PGD you don't need all that. I only had two i7's because when I split SM, IM and Cams at their highest settings my computer would be at 100% usage, mind you that that computer is like a 4th generation i7 so its not as powerful as the i7's that are out now. I only got another i7 (which again is a 4th generation) because I couldn't really do anything on my computer because those sites consumed so much of the computer's usage. I wanted to be able to browse the internet, edit videos, etc at the same times as I cammed without having any issues or guys annoying me with "your freezing or your lagging". So I got another computer so that I could stream SM, edit video, browse the net on one computer and stream Imlive and Cams on another computer.

You don't need a ptz to be successful again like PGD said. The models that have ptz camera's usually get them because they want higher cam quality than a webcam and being able to pan/tilt/zoom remotely makes doing shows easier if you're the type to constantly move and change angles during your shows. I've made the money back that I spent on conference camera's but using them hasn't increased my earnings. I still use my Logitech c920 alot of the time, my earnings don't differ based on the camera I used that day. Since my earnings don't seem like they'll be rising from the dead and since I don't make shit on any sites besides SM these days I no longer feel the need to maintain the setup that I have or other camming accounts. I'll also be closing all of my camming accounts but I'm keeping SM active since I still make money on there. I thought about making my account on Imlive, Cams, Chaturbate, MFC, etc into voyeur accounts but I really don't want to be bothered with anything that doesn't make me easy money nor do I want to deal with annoying rules/warnings. Since splitting is pointless for me now I've decided to sell 95% of my equipment (conference camera's, cameras/camcorders, old webcams, my other computer, monitors, lighting, etc). I'm only keeping 1 computer, a few monitors, 1 webcam and 2 photography lights. You don't need an extreme setup to make money...all you need is a decent computer, a webcam, decent internet, decent lighting(which doesn't have to be professional) and a little bit of clean space to be able to move around.

I've been thinking about quitting on and off for a while as well but its really hard to let it go especially when it still brings in money (it may not be enough money but is money). It pains me that the money isn't great anymore because I really love camming. I like; interacting with the respectful guys, the power the comes with being able to excite them, the lifestyle it provides and the tech aspect of content creation (researching the latest camera's and seeing the amazing videos others are able to create, learning how to hook different shit up like conference camera, multi-monitors, etc). Unless you absolutely hate camming and don't want to do it anymore similar to what PGD said I think having your main income coming for something else may make being a camgirl easier and less stressful.

Because camming has gotten so shitty like you and many others I've been thinking really hard about other things I could do to bring in $$$. Even though quite a few guys have recently told me that they love my clips and wish I'd do more I can't bring myself to do clips consistently produced because I hate making clips so making content full-time is out of the question for me. Like you I plan on putting some of my other skills to use to bring in $$$ which for me is web development/tech. I've been avoiding becoming a web developer like a plague for a few reasons but mainly because I'm not creative and design is a struggle for me plus the only thing I like doing and have a passion for is camming. I thought about getting CCNA certificated because I'm pretty good at troubleshooting and there's alot of jobs in my area for IT but OMG there's a huge difference between being able to troubleshoot a few things vs reading a CCNA book and trying to learn Networking, Routing and Switching as a profession. Maybe in the future I'll try learning it again but for now no thanks.

I recently watched a video where someone said something along the lines of "Having a passion for something doesn't always matter. What matters is if you can do something everyday and not get sick off it.". That rang true to me because although I don't have a passion for WD I've been able to sit in front my monitor and code for like 6 months straight until my website was perfect to my eyes. Because I hate designing and I'm not really all that keen on programming I found that if I stick to web development instead of web design that I can get away with not having to design anything or do an extreme amount of coding. But the problem for me is that since I dropped out of college and started camming full-time shortly after and never did any work outside of creating my own sites/layouts for my adult persona that I don't have any real work experience in the web design/development field. So I've been brushing up on my skills as well as learning the current languages via Codecademy, Freecodecamp and Treehouse. By spending 4-6 hours a day learning new code and completing a portfolio I'm hoping that I'll be able to get a remote job or something that's really close to home (since I get anxiety from driving) in the next 1-3 months. Since I'm not entirely a entry level developer I'm thinking that I maybe better off than I thought.

Although I hate camming right now I am thankful for it right now. I'm able to somewhat easily learn and transition to a new career because I set my own schedule. I don't have to 100% worry about money or have to do a job that I hate while I make a career switch because I'm able to sit on cam and be available for shows while I code. Last but not least the equipment, setup and software that I bought for camming and creating content is exactly what I need to be able to be successful in web development bah ha ha. So thanks for that camming. MD, since you already have experience being a medical coder have you looked into medical billing work from home jobs? One of the main reasons why I finally decided to pressure a WD career is because its one of the few careers that will allow me to work from home and keep a lifestyle that's similar to camming. I legit get excited for some werid reason when I think of the possibility of being able to take my laptop to a restaurant or park/beach to do work.

If I'm able to get a remote job I think having that as my full-time income will make being a camgirl/content producer fun and enjoyable again. I feel like there will be little to no more stress from it because it will no longer be work, it will be side/extra income. I plan on only camming on SM and just do what I'm doing now i.e. leaving it open in the background while I work on other things with the camera setup in voyeur/ignore mode until or unless someone tips or goes pvt..... that way I can still make money from camming willing I earn $$ from vanilla work. When I have free time I want to make femdom and Youtube videos. Depending on how my Youtube videos go I may expand that into a vanilla-ish femdom persona across similar platforms like Younow, Twitch, Periscope, IG live, etc but I dunna yet because like I said I'm not all that creative. By doing WD, camming and clips I'm predicting that I'll be able to bring in at least 60k-80k which is enough for me. Once I have all of those things going I want to finally move out of this god forsaken town to an actually city where I'll be able to easily dance Wednesday-Saturday. I would've started dancing already to bring in much needed $$$ but none of the stripclubs are close. The way my anxiety is setup I know I'd be shaking like an earthquake from having to drive farther than down they block late at night 4 days a week, plus I would like to loose 10lbs first and I can't seem get them off to save my life. Once I have my WD, camming, clips and stripping schedule down packed I think I'll be able to pay everything completely off and be 100% debt free as well as have a nice little savings plus be able to setup a monthly budget for paid advertising for my website/persona so that I can make as much as money as possible off of camming, clips and phone sex without having to put in full-time effort.

Like you said MD this roughness is only temporary. I refuse to be struggling like I have been these last 2 years this time next year, in fact I don't want to be in this position of stressing from not being able to pay all of my bills and fearing collectors, repo, etc ever again. I'm hoping that if all of my plans go right with doing WD, camming, clips, phone sex and stripping that I won't have to worry about money and struggling because of money ever again. I want this struggle to be a thing of the past. Changing is easier said than done but its got to be done because I don't believe this is the best that things can be. I know there's a better life waiting for me where I'll be happy again where I don't have to worry about money or lack there off.


Thanks a lot for al the generous info-Yes!! That's what I need is 2 i7 processor computers, I can when I can afford to spend get another 32 inch tv around $50 probably even cheaper now to use as a 2nd monitor as well. I really wanted to get the DELL Alienware i7 gamming computer but being my credit is soo shot-I was not approved for there in house financing to buy it to make monthly payments on it & I had to bankrupt not by choice my Best Buy account even if I had planned to keep that account open to make my payments being the new bankruptcy law few years back so had to let that go so BestBuy will not approve me for any of there store credit either-I just tried not to long ago. So Yes all I need is at least 1 i7 computer for SM/CAMS to use there HD Broadcasters etc. I got the lighting covered, and the highest internet speed my cable company allows, and to get the C920 webcam won't cost that much. If I could get a 2nd computer/i7-have enough clean space in my bedroom to move around in for camming also. So that being said: All I need is to find a way to get me an i7 computer! lol
I Don't mind doing this for work -I love being able to work from home really. I just wish the guys weren't always so cheap & wish I could make bank like others make or make even $800 a week would be nice. I mean this is virtual porn we all should be making bank In this biz. I honestly wouldn't mind doing this for next few years and maybe even have a savings to pay to go back to school etc. That's wishful thinking for me tho-Hopefully the new year will be a great year for this biz. I do eventually want a medical billing job again-I most likely will need to move outside this area to a bigger city here in VA to get the $14-$16 rate of pay for the field as being In this small town businesses are scarce and underpaid for the line of work you do. If I can make money In this biz-afford to buy me an i7 computer than maybe I will be able to afford to relocate to a bigger city to get me a job in that field again and then can always cam part time. My g/f was a stripper for like 20 years and she made $1000 a week she claimed -she was able to pay her way thru nursing school and she eventually stopped stripping and became a nurse. Just wish I could make decent $ camming lol

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 10:20 AM
Warning in advanced this is gonna be a long post. I've been meaning to post about future careers/future plans for awhile it all kind all spilled out with your post. Anyways I feel you MD. I use to bring an ok amount on Imlive and Cams but that dissolved this year. The only camsite that I seem to be able to make money on anymore is SM and even with them my money has declined because there is no traffic.

I've mentioned having two i7's as well as conference cams on here a few times but like PGD you don't need all that. I only had two i7's because when I split SM, IM and Cams at their highest settings my computer would be at 100% usage, mind you that that computer is like a 4th generation i7 so its not as powerful as the i7's that are out now. I only got another i7 (which again is a 4th generation) because I couldn't really do anything on my computer because those sites consumed so much of the computer's usage. I wanted to be able to browse the internet, edit videos, etc at the same times as I cammed without having any issues or guys annoying me with "your freezing or your lagging". So I got another computer so that I could stream SM, edit video, browse the net on one computer and stream Imlive and Cams on another computer.

You don't need a ptz to be successful again like PGD said. The models that have ptz camera's usually get them because they want higher cam quality than a webcam and being able to pan/tilt/zoom remotely makes doing shows easier if you're the type to constantly move and change angles during your shows. I've made the money back that I spent on conference camera's but using them hasn't increased my earnings. I still use my Logitech c920 alot of the time, my earnings don't differ based on the camera I used that day. Since my earnings don't seem like they'll be rising from the dead and since I don't make shit on any sites besides SM these days I no longer feel the need to maintain the setup that I have or other camming accounts. I'll also be closing all of my camming accounts but I'm keeping SM active since I still make money on there. I thought about making my account on Imlive, Cams, Chaturbate, MFC, etc into voyeur accounts but I really don't want to be bothered with anything that doesn't make me easy money nor do I want to deal with annoying rules/warnings. Since splitting is pointless for me now I've decided to sell 95% of my equipment (conference camera's, cameras/camcorders, old webcams, my other computer, monitors, lighting, etc). I'm only keeping 1 computer, a few monitors, 1 webcam and 2 photography lights. You don't need an extreme setup to make money...all you need is a decent computer, a webcam, decent internet, decent lighting(which doesn't have to be professional) and a little bit of clean space to be able to move around.

I've been thinking about quitting on and off for a while as well but its really hard to let it go especially when it still brings in money (it may not be enough money but is money). It pains me that the money isn't great anymore because I really love camming. I like; interacting with the respectful guys, the power the comes with being able to excite them, the lifestyle it provides and the tech aspect of content creation (researching the latest camera's and seeing the amazing videos others are able to create, learning how to hook different shit up like conference camera, multi-monitors, etc). Unless you absolutely hate camming and don't want to do it anymore similar to what PGD said I think having your main income coming for something else may make being a camgirl easier and less stressful.

Because camming has gotten so shitty like you and many others I've been thinking really hard about other things I could do to bring in $$$. Even though quite a few guys have recently told me that they love my clips and wish I'd do more I can't bring myself to do clips consistently produced because I hate making clips so making content full-time is out of the question for me. Like you I plan on putting some of my other skills to use to bring in $$$ which for me is web development/tech. I've been avoiding becoming a web developer like a plague for a few reasons but mainly because I'm not creative and design is a struggle for me plus the only thing I like doing and have a passion for is camming. I thought about getting CCNA certificated because I'm pretty good at troubleshooting and there's alot of jobs in my area for IT but OMG there's a huge difference between being able to troubleshoot a few things vs reading a CCNA book and trying to learn Networking, Routing and Switching as a profession. Maybe in the future I'll try learning it again but for now no thanks.

I recently watched a video where someone said something along the lines of "Having a passion for something doesn't always matter. What matters is if you can do something everyday and not get sick off it.". That rang true to me because although I don't have a passion for WD I've been able to sit in front my monitor and code for like 6 months straight until my website was perfect to my eyes. Because I hate designing and I'm not really all that keen on programming I found that if I stick to web development instead of web design that I can get away with not having to design anything or do an extreme amount of coding. But the problem for me is that since I dropped out of college and started camming full-time shortly after and never did any work outside of creating my own sites/layouts for my adult persona that I don't have any real work experience in the web design/development field. So I've been brushing up on my skills as well as learning the current languages via Codecademy, Freecodecamp and Treehouse. By spending 4-6 hours a day learning new code and completing a portfolio I'm hoping that I'll be able to get a remote job or something that's really close to home (since I get anxiety from driving) in the next 1-3 months. Since I'm not entirely a entry level developer I'm thinking that I maybe better off than I thought.

Although I hate camming right now I am thankful for it right now. I'm able to somewhat easily learn and transition to a new career because I set my own schedule. I don't have to 100% worry about money or have to do a job that I hate while I make a career switch because I'm able to sit on cam and be available for shows while I code. Last but not least the equipment, setup and software that I bought for camming and creating content is exactly what I need to be able to be successful in web development bah ha ha. So thanks for that camming. MD, since you already have experience being a medical coder have you looked into medical billing work from home jobs? One of the main reasons why I finally decided to pressure a WD career is because its one of the few careers that will allow me to work from home and keep a lifestyle that's similar to camming. I legit get excited for some werid reason when I think of the possibility of being able to take my laptop to a restaurant or park/beach to do work.

If I'm able to get a remote job I think having that as my full-time income will make being a camgirl/content producer fun and enjoyable again. I feel like there will be little to no more stress from it because it will no longer be work, it will be side/extra income. I plan on only camming on SM and just do what I'm doing now i.e. leaving it open in the background while I work on other things with the camera setup in voyeur/ignore mode until or unless someone tips or goes pvt..... that way I can still make money from camming willing I earn $$ from vanilla work. When I have free time I want to make femdom and Youtube videos. Depending on how my Youtube videos go I may expand that into a vanilla-ish femdom persona across similar platforms like Younow, Twitch, Periscope, IG live, etc but I dunna yet because like I said I'm not all that creative. By doing WD, camming and clips I'm predicting that I'll be able to bring in at least 60k-80k which is enough for me. Once I have all of those things going I want to finally move out of this god forsaken town to an actually city where I'll be able to easily dance Wednesday-Saturday. I would've started dancing already to bring in much needed $$$ but none of the stripclubs are close. The way my anxiety is setup I know I'd be shaking like an earthquake from having to drive farther than down they block late at night 4 days a week, plus I would like to loose 10lbs first and I can't seem get them off to save my life. Once I have my WD, camming, clips and stripping schedule down packed I think I'll be able to pay everything completely off and be 100% debt free as well as have a nice little savings plus be able to setup a monthly budget for paid advertising for my website/persona so that I can make as much as money as possible off of camming, clips and phone sex without having to put in full-time effort.

Like you said MD this roughness is only temporary. I refuse to be struggling like I have been these last 2 years this time next year, in fact I don't want to be in this position of stressing from not being able to pay all of my bills and fearing collectors, repo, etc ever again. I'm hoping that if all of my plans go right with doing WD, camming, clips, phone sex and stripping that I won't have to worry about money and struggling because of money ever again. I want this struggle to be a thing of the past. Changing is easier said than done but its got to be done because I don't believe this is the best that things can be. I know there's a better life waiting for me where I'll be happy again where I don't have to worry about money or lack there off.

I recently watched a video where someone said something along the lines of "Having a passion for something doesn't always matter. What matters is if you can do something everyday and not get sick off it.".

Agreed!! Just like the Confucius quote: "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

MD, since you already have experience being a medical coder have you looked into medical billing work from home jobs-to answer ur question-I have heard about it but unsure of the legit sites I need to go to for that. I'll have to google about it sometime-but I heard you have to spend money on the software etc. So yes-I diff will start researching medical billing & coding work from home jobs as well to see how and what all is needed & $ needed to get started with that. I am not sure how successful it will be tho-Most DME/Durable Medical Equipment companies & doctor offices even the corp dr offices like Ortho VA hire directly for medical billing -I also do medical receptionist type work also known as Patient Representative but they don't pay as much as medical billing.

So is actual stripping a lot better as far as making $ than camming? Just like stripping it's up and down like camming too from what I heard, and takes while to also build up to ur regulars. Like I said my g/f did it for like15-20 some years and she said she was bringing In $1000 a week. She traveled to the top notch glamour/full nude high end clubs tho. South Dakota for example and just traveled everywhere-not sure the actual names of the clubs she worked at tho. She paid her way thru nursing school & eventually quit stripping and now is a full time nurse and relocated to FL. I tried stripping during amateur nite at the topless clubs like 3 times when I lived in FL as I needed a job but I didn't stick it out after the 3rd try b/c I didn't make anything being new-plus I had a Rheumatoid Nodule in my right foot that left me in excruciating pain wearing high heels all night. We don't have any strip clubs here in this small town as this is more so a conservative Christian community and the nearest strip club is either in VA Beach which is 3 1/2 hrs from here or Northern VA which is 3 1/2-4 hrs north from here. I wouldn't be able to strip anyway even if there were clubs here-I have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis bad and every year it gets worse and worse-knees ankles, feet & my knee has been swelling up since it has turned cold the last 2 mths now so half the time I am limping around lol

BTW-I hope it will all works out for you, you seem to have a good head on ur shoulders and know exactly what you want.

MelindaDeaner
11-27-2017, 12:29 PM
Well, I just checked my ranking and this has never happened to me before since the SM Broadcaster went to crap (My FPS never is up to par and knocks my FPS low as well as my 1280/720 Resolution my cam does hold using the SM Broadcaster so I almost always have to stream using the Visit X Splitter to stream in HD Wide using the built in interface on SM and using this has never gave me good rankings and for some odd reason the 4 hrs on yesterday my FPS was good at 24.9, Bitrate/kbps was Excellent as always at 1417.21 & my Round Trip Time was Excellent at 266, Rating is always at good 4.84 I'm always at poor with time online until can get 90 hrs in but even my Streaming in Widescreen 16:9 registered as YES and my Streaming in HD 640x360 or above counts for HD said Yes (audio which I use audio still states No b/c I am not using the SMB but dang!) Had I already had the 90 hrs in I'd be in good shape for that day for better placement! How is this even possible as I was even splitting SM w/ IMLive yesterday and I just never ever get good ranking quality w/ Visit X Splitter?? My Ranking Quality yesterday using the Visit X Splitter FPS was a lot better and stayed in good standing than using there SM Broadcaster that gives me a bad ranking on FPS. Hmmmm...Anyone else have a good FPS ranking yesterday too?

I also just checked my rate analysis history: and I averaged only at $1.87 an hr at $4.99 Prem. I averaged at $1.11 an hr at $2.99 Prem & averaged at $9.80 an hr at $1.99 Prem. -(I'm sure that rate will increase the more I get on and work as I only worked this rate for only 4 hrs yesterday) Per Earnings Distribution Analysis a lot of them were taking me more Excl too)