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illuminaughty
04-08-2018, 08:33 PM
Anyone have a OUTRAGEOUS number of hecklers/degrades tonight. I usually get one every so often, and the occasional cam girl dragging me, but tonight was INSANE. I had 4 people tearing apart my looks simultaneously tonight.

Ok, went back, happened again. Almost 300 potentials and 40/60 members in my room (only 4 or 5 spend).
Have they advertised on "Fuck free desperate bitches" again or something. People are cussing me out over my rates, dragging my appearance, begging, guilting, etc.
Not just the occasional drifter.

Ied take a room with 5 spenders over a room of 50 beggars and lurkers every day of the week.

OMG check my post! I didn't even read this until just now! I don't know what the fuck has been going on! It has been this was for months on SM for me!

I NEVER has this issue this frequently until then!

It is really making so mad!

BuffyFlame
04-08-2018, 09:25 PM
Girl, you arnt alone. I dont know what is up, but the quality of guys has really been lacking. Is it bad to say Im glad you've been getting it too? haha, It feels so much less personal when other girls are gettting it. You are not alone, beautiful. <3

pussyhoe
04-08-2018, 10:10 PM
49751

I don't know what caused this reaction, but I am getting more and more of this on streamate lately.

I have been a model on there for almost 5 years, and I would get around 1 troll a year.

In the past few months, I have gotten so much random hate like this.

why?

I reported them via email with this screen shot but I didn't get to block them.

does streamate even actually block the account from being a customer or just from my room?


You’re not alone sweet dear, I promise. It’s been WAAAAAY worse in regards to traffic. Huge spike in traffic but it’s nothing but beggars, trolls and more beggars. I’m thinking a woman hating affiliate signed up and
Is making it a point to advertise us on the inside of a dumpster someplace cause that’s literally the traffic we’ve been getting

BuffyFlame
04-08-2018, 11:36 PM
That is exactly what I said in my post, I %100 agree. A new advertising place has clearly signed on, and they are bringing in the trash.

uglyblonde
04-09-2018, 09:10 AM
Second time trying to register on SM, but I got this message:

This message is to inform you that your performer account with Streamate Models has been closed for the following reason:
We are under agreement in your area currently and are unable to add performers outside of this agreement. Please contact [email protected] to discuss account opportunities.
Please contact [email protected] with any questions.

So there's no way for me to register?

DeepThoughts
04-09-2018, 09:42 AM
^^ We cant tell you this you need to contact the emails they gave you and ask them if you can.

MsJess
04-09-2018, 10:28 AM
They are sending you under a studio unfortunately :(

AlyssaJane
04-09-2018, 11:16 AM
So random but I just had 4 people pull the 30 second trick in private with me. It was weird how the timing happened - person 1 leaves as person 2 enters until I had been in private 2 minutes but not been paid as they all 4 left before 30 seconds. Do you think it might have been site issues or is it more likely I just had 4 freeloaders back to back? It crossed my mind that maybe somebody had multiple accounts and just toggled them or something.

pippapippa
04-09-2018, 06:27 PM
I have a customer complaining that he’s unable to tip me gold, as in the button is not working for him on mobile. He wasn’t asking for anything free, so I believe him. I wonder how many guys are having that issue.

SuperPookie
04-09-2018, 08:18 PM
Today was...pfft on SM. As others have said it's not just a matter of glitches but the customers themselves. While today was tumbleweeds in general I have seen a upswing in traffic but no corresponding upswing in sales as they're either acting outraged that they're supposed to pay at all or just flat out trolling. SM is scraping the bottom of the barrel for advertising.

AcidYellow
04-09-2018, 09:42 PM
I have a customer complaining that he’s unable to tip me gold, as in the button is not working for him on mobile. He wasn’t asking for anything free, so I believe him. I wonder how many guys are having that issue.

Yess! Today there was a guy apparently new and he asked me to see my tits and I told him that is possible if he tip me golds for it and he replied that couldnt see any button to click on..Maybe was a general glitch or something, the website is acting weird tonite. Uggg I was two hours conected but had to log off because I started to get angry.

AlyssaJane
04-09-2018, 10:34 PM
I have a customer complaining that he’s unable to tip me gold, as in the button is not working for him on mobile. He wasn’t asking for anything free, so I believe him. I wonder how many guys are having that issue.

I had this a couple times as well. One guy kept coming in and out of my room saying he was trying to give gold and it wasn't letting him. I like the report issue button being built into the site, I have to hope it means they are trying.

*Lynn*
04-10-2018, 07:36 PM
Anyone here looking at epayments as an option? I hope sm adds it as an option now, looks like it is my only option left :(
I'm going to contact support re epayments. Has this been brought up before?

waogtrain
04-10-2018, 08:48 PM
Whenever I try to go to streamate.com to check my placement, it just automatically redirects me to streamatemodels.com. It does this even when I log out of my model account. Is this happening to anyone else?

Diamond Dust
04-10-2018, 10:30 PM
Whenever I try to go to streamate.com to check my placement, it just automatically redirects me to streamatemodels.com. It does this even when I log out of my model account. Is this happening to anyone else?

Yeah this happens to me too and it's annoying. I just end up going to cammodels.com or pornhublive.com which are white labels of Streamate.

AcidYellow
04-11-2018, 02:06 AM
Anyone here looking at epayments as an option? I hope sm adds it as an option now, looks like it is my only option left :(
I'm going to contact support re epayments. Has this been brought up before?

Hello Lyn, well, Im in a similar situation as you. I wrote an email asking streamate about another option of payment for those of us who were using first choice pay to recieve our payments and they told me that now is avaliable the Paxum option which is a good one but.... Ive heard that they charge a fee of 50$ to transfer the money from the paxum account to your personal bank account. I dont really know how true it is but yeah. For me that amount is a bit to much. Uggg.. I hope to resolve this so I can start getting my payments again. Thx lord Ive saved a bit money, u never know.

DeepThoughts
04-11-2018, 05:39 AM
Whenever I try to go to streamate.com to check my placement, it just automatically redirects me to streamatemodels.com. It does this even when I log out of my model account. Is this happening to anyone else?

Are you sure that its not just your browser choosing that for you? When you type it in the URL box you will see a drop down and the first thing there is highlighted because you browser will send you to the site you most often visit. Dont press enter just scroll down to the one that says streamate.com and then hit enter.

QueenMary
04-11-2018, 06:27 AM
Anyone here looking at epayments as an option? I hope sm adds it as an option now, looks like it is my only option left :(
I'm going to contact support re epayments. Has this been brought up before?

I'm looking into epayments, their fees are way more reasonable than Paxum's wire fees, and EFT isn't available in my country.
I pretty much quit my job to get back into camming, so this is terrible timing :/

DeepThoughts
04-11-2018, 07:22 AM
^^ I just looked into epayments. It looks great. better then Paxum. I hope SM can add them or someone similar. I think I remember reading way back when the whole epassport fiasco went down that not every payment provider will work with sites who are doing Adult so if Im right about that then they will struggle to find someone else. If Im wrong then I hope they pick an new company soon to calm me down! Im sort of freaked!

QueenMary
04-11-2018, 01:01 PM
ePayments won't let me sign up from my country either. Aaaand I'm screwed :-\

*Lynn*
04-11-2018, 04:15 PM
Hello Lyn, well, Im in a similar situation as you. I wrote an email asking streamate about another option of payment for those of us who were using first choice pay to recieve our payments and they told me that now is avaliable the Paxum option which is a good one but.... Ive heard that they charge a fee of 50$ to transfer the money from the paxum account to your personal bank account. I dont really know how true it is but yeah. For me that amount is a bit to much. Uggg.. I hope to resolve this so I can start getting my payments again. Thx lord Ive saved a bit money, u never know.
Glad you saved!
This comes at an inopportune time for me since I am actually owing and this just puts me in a bigger hole.
Also, I am currently unable to open up a bank account, long story, but bottom line is I'll need a card and that option is also gone with Paxum.

SOOO...
I also contacted them and specifically asked them about epayments and they didn't answer me at all about epayments, they gave me a standard reply:


Due to issues beyond our control, Paxum and Firstchoice Pay are going through immediate changes that may affect your payments. Please read the important information below.

FIRSTCHOICE PAY:
Firstchoice Pay is no longer able process payments for their clients. This means we will not be processing Firstchoice Pay payments starting this week. We deeply apologize for any inconvenience or frustration this may cause. It is our understanding that funds in your Firstchoice Pay account can still be used, but should be withdrawn soon. Current and future payments owed to you will be held until you choose a new payment method on your Payments page. Please do this as soon as possible to avoid payment interruptions. The payment change schedule will not change during this transition, so please complete any change by the regular deadline.

PAXUM: (not available for the United States)
Paxum payments will continue to be processed and sent to your Paxum account. However, Paxum cards issued by Choice Bank will need to be replaced. Paxum is already issuing replacement cards. If this affects you, please contact Paxum for further information. We have been told that any funds already loaded to your card can still be used, and you can log into your Paxum account and manually transfer funds (fees may apply). Contact Paxum directly for any questions about your funds.

CHECK (via regular mail)
Checks issued via regular mail are sent by the United States Postal Service and mailed to your payment address on your Streamate account. For performers outside of the United States, please allow at least two weeks for delivery.

All checks are issued in U.S. Dollars. If you live outside of the United States, it's recommend that you check with your local financial institution to be sure they can accept checks issued from the United States.

If you would like to change your payment method to Paxum or a different option, please do so on your Payments page as soon as possible. We are working on quickly updating systems with your new information as we get it.

Once again, we apologize for this inconvenience. We're working quickly to integrate more payment options and to minimize the effect of this update on our performers. We will keep you updated if there are any changes to the above. Don't hesitate to contact us with questions.

If this does not help or resolve your question, please let us know!

Streamate Model Support

There is someone I can contact directly correct? Liz or something?

KarinaGiselle
04-11-2018, 09:47 PM
ATTENTION EVERYONE!

The owner of Streamate himself entered the Discord's SW chat group to discuss this issue with us personally. I personally confirmed his identity being a moderator of the chat room.

He said he'd come back tomorrow, Thursday, 12pm Pacific, to discuss this situation specifically.

If you'd like to join the conversation please click the link below.

https://discord.gg/jCWktb

DeepThoughts
04-12-2018, 03:26 AM
Glad you saved!
This comes at an inopportune time for me since I am actually owing and this just puts me in a bigger hole.
Also, I am currently unable to open up a bank account, long story, but bottom line is I'll need a card and that option is also gone with Paxum.

SOOO...
I also contacted them and specifically asked them about epayments and they didn't answer me at all about epayments, they gave me a standard reply:


Due to issues beyond our control, Paxum and Firstchoice Pay are going through immediate changes that may affect your payments. Please read the important information below.

FIRSTCHOICE PAY:
Firstchoice Pay is no longer able process payments for their clients. This means we will not be processing Firstchoice Pay payments starting this week. We deeply apologize for any inconvenience or frustration this may cause. It is our understanding that funds in your Firstchoice Pay account can still be used, but should be withdrawn soon. Current and future payments owed to you will be held until you choose a new payment method on your Payments page. Please do this as soon as possible to avoid payment interruptions. The payment change schedule will not change during this transition, so please complete any change by the regular deadline.

PAXUM: (not available for the United States)
Paxum payments will continue to be processed and sent to your Paxum account. However, Paxum cards issued by Choice Bank will need to be replaced. Paxum is already issuing replacement cards. If this affects you, please contact Paxum for further information. We have been told that any funds already loaded to your card can still be used, and you can log into your Paxum account and manually transfer funds (fees may apply). Contact Paxum directly for any questions about your funds.

CHECK (via regular mail)
Checks issued via regular mail are sent by the United States Postal Service and mailed to your payment address on your Streamate account. For performers outside of the United States, please allow at least two weeks for delivery.

All checks are issued in U.S. Dollars. If you live outside of the United States, it's recommend that you check with your local financial institution to be sure they can accept checks issued from the United States.

If you would like to change your payment method to Paxum or a different option, please do so on your Payments page as soon as possible. We are working on quickly updating systems with your new information as we get it.

Once again, we apologize for this inconvenience. We're working quickly to integrate more payment options and to minimize the effect of this update on our performers. We will keep you updated if there are any changes to the above. Don't hesitate to contact us with questions.

If this does not help or resolve your question, please let us know!

Streamate Model Support

There is someone I can contact directly correct? Liz or something?

Girl dont bother Liz with this just yet. Im sure she is being run off her feet!! Just reply directly to the email they sent you and stat that they did not answer your question and repeat your question for them again. Ask them to please not send you a canned response as this is information you already need and not helpful in your current situation.

Someone will contact you again and on a more personal level. They always just do canned responses first!

DeepThoughts
04-12-2018, 03:26 AM
ATTENTION EVERYONE!

The owner of Streamate himself entered the Discord's SW chat group to discuss this issue with us personally. I personally confirmed his identity being a moderator of the chat room.

He said he'd come back tomorrow, Thursday, 12pm Pacific, to discuss this situation specifically.

If you'd like to join the conversation please click the link below.

https://discord.gg/jCWktb

I will so fucking be there! I must have just missed him last night!

tropo
04-12-2018, 06:28 AM
So random but I just had 4 people pull the 30 second trick in private with me. It was weird how the timing happened - person 1 leaves as person 2 enters until I had been in private 2 minutes but not been paid as they all 4 left before 30 seconds. Do you think it might have been site issues or is it more likely I just had 4 freeloaders back to back? It crossed my mind that maybe somebody had multiple accounts and just toggled them or something.

I always use a 30-second timer when privates start on SM. They won't see much until after 30 seconds have expired. If they mistime their exit, like at 31 seconds or so, they pay a minute LOL.

tropo
04-12-2018, 06:33 AM
Hello Lyn, well, Im in a similar situation as you. I wrote an email asking streamate about another option of payment for those of us who were using first choice pay to recieve our payments and they told me that now is avaliable the Paxum option which is a good one but.... Ive heard that they charge a fee of 50$ to transfer the money from the paxum account to your personal bank account. I dont really know how true it is but yeah. For me that amount is a bit to much. Uggg.. I hope to resolve this so I can start getting my payments again. Thx lord Ive saved a bit money, u never know.

A Paxum bank wire transfer is definitely $50.

Glamourmilf
04-12-2018, 07:45 AM
My check didn't arrive on Monday, like it always does.
I planned on using the money to pay my taxes, and bills. I really hate dipping into my savings for anything.
After reading about Fosta, and First choice, AND speaking to an attorney who only deals with sex workers who thinks camming will be next to fall...., I was trying to remain calm...
My check arrived yesterday, but I'm preparing for the day when it won't.
I'm gonna miss the extra $$$, I won't lie. And to jump on cam whenever I feel lonely, to have hundreds of men adore and throw money at me.:'(

tropo
04-12-2018, 07:56 AM
AND speaking to an attorney who only deals with sex workers who thinks camming will be next to fall...., I was trying to remain calm...


What did the attorney mean by "next to fail"? There's no doubt there's a downturn in the industry, which I always expected, and for many reasons. Was he talking about camming sites being closed down by the US government?

I've already been prevented from camming on a couple of sites due to my country blocking access.

DeepThoughts
04-12-2018, 10:06 AM
I think we will all be dead and buried before camming fails :D Way Way too much money to be had here. Its not gonna fail! Its not some bubble propped up but financial institutions backed by nothing. It legit business that guys are willing to purchase with their own hard earn money 1 dollar at a time.

alexismay
04-12-2018, 10:15 AM
The options Streamate have for payout is just not good enough. As for Paxum, i think not, seriously the best they could come up with was a company charging outrageous fees. The International payouts are equally pathetic, 40 goddamn dollars for a transfer fee. No doubt streamate are taking money from that as well as there ridiculous 65 per cent. Having to request a check no doubt that will take forever with the US mail being sub par to the rest of the world.

tropo
04-12-2018, 11:22 AM
The options Streamate have for payout is just not good enough. As for Paxum, i think not, seriously the best they could come up with was a company charging outrageous fees. The International payouts are equally pathetic, 40 goddamn dollars for a transfer fee. No doubt streamate are taking money from that as well as there ridiculous 65 per cent. Having to request a check no doubt that will take forever with the US mail being sub par to the rest of the world.

The Paxum wire/swift transfer fee for my account is $50. You're lucky you have a check by US mail option as the ONLY option I currently have is Paxum. I'd much prefer free checks mailed out if I had that option.

DeepThoughts
04-12-2018, 11:37 AM
^^ Why cant you have cheques mailed?

tropo
04-12-2018, 12:43 PM
^^ Why cant you have cheques mailed?

It's not an option under payout options. I've just read that Paxum have a backup card option and they will be printing cards and sending them out soon - no charge, so I'll wait around for that.

waogtrain
04-12-2018, 03:06 PM
Are you sure that its not just your browser choosing that for you? When you type it in the URL box you will see a drop down and the first thing there is highlighted because you browser will send you to the site you most often visit. Dont press enter just scroll down to the one that says streamate.com and then hit enter.

Yes, I'm sure it isn't my browser choosing it for me. That was my first thought too.

Glamourmilf
04-13-2018, 06:37 AM
What did the attorney mean by "next to fail"? There's no doubt there's a downturn in the industry, which I always expected, and for many reasons. Was he talking about camming sites being closed down by the US government?

I've already been prevented from camming on a couple of sites due to my country blocking access.

Yes, that's what he meant. I can pm you his name if you care to have him back up what I said.

tropo
04-13-2018, 07:04 AM
Yes, that's what he meant. I can pm you his name if you care to have him back up what I said.

I don't want to talk to him, I was merely asking what you meant. It was a very broad statement to make. The US can't close down the cam industry, only sites that operate in the US. The US doesn't control the whole world.

DeepThoughts
04-13-2018, 07:06 AM
^^^SSSSSHHHH Dont tell the US that! You might accidentally start a war!

PennyJ
04-13-2018, 08:05 AM
Fuckin dead ass Friday what is this. Fridays used to be GREAT.

DeepThoughts
04-13-2018, 09:08 AM
^^ Its tax time sweety. Give it a couple weeks. Once people start getting tax credits it will pick up tenfold!

AcidYellow
04-13-2018, 11:32 AM
Im agree with pennyJ...And about Yesterday, for me was dead af and then I was trying to stream at 1:am nyc time when suddenly the platform crashed and when I got back to stream, zero traffic. Also feeling in bad mood because I noticed that my last payment (April 1-7 ) wont be paid because I was getting the money from FirstChoice so they told me that more or less around a month but who knows when, I will get that money so for now is in the limbo. So imagine, I worked my ass off during holy week for nothing! Lucky the ones that are getting their payments by other methods... Im fcked. Uggghh This week was a total fail for me.

anonymous camgirl
04-13-2018, 06:53 PM
Anyone else get some addendums to their contract about prostitution etc etc and volunteering to be on cam .. yes I volunteer against my will!.. like I have a choice!.. the electric, water, mortgage, food, all that is more than I can ever get at a real job.. my car lease is up and I am choosing not to have a car at all for the summer because I am afraid it will be to brutal and it will get worse than I already have been dealing with.

KatM
04-13-2018, 07:30 PM
^^^ Yes they implemented this new thing tonite, maybe they had issues with some models/ studios and now they wanna make sure they covered?!

anonamiss
04-13-2018, 07:37 PM
^
not sure what you mean regarding the "volunteering" part... but here's what they added in case anyone hasn't seen:

"We have not changed any of our rules or policies, but are proactively updating our Agreement to reinforce that these actions are not allowed. New language in the Agreement includes:

SECTION A.2. NO PROSTITUTION OR SEX TRAFFICKING.
We strictly prohibit you from using our service or any of our websites in any way whatsoever to engage in, participate in, assist, support, or facilitate any act of prostitution, sex trafficking of children, or sex trafficking by force, fraud, or coercion. This includes but is not limited to you may not use our Service: (1) to exchange any personal contact information with one of our users or to have any communication with one of our users which would in any way result in any type of face-to-face meeting involving you and one of our users; or (2) to discuss in any way with one of our users any type of transaction whatsoever involving use of any other service or method of interfacing with one of our users, such as use of any other Internet based service or product. Any violation of these prohibitions will result in immediate cancellation of your account, you will be blocked from ever being a Performer or Studio on any of our websites in the future, and your payments will be withheld. We will cooperate fully with any criminal investigation by any police or other government criminal enforcement agency.

If you are a Studio or model and you are engaging in, participating in, assisting, supporting, or facilitating any type of prostitution, sex trafficking of children, or sex trafficking by force, fraud, or coercion, you must immediately cease all such wrongful conduct.

and

SECTION F.1. NO SEX TRAFFICKING; NO SOLICITATION OF PERSONAL CONTACT WITH CUSTOMERS.
Overall, and as emphasized in Paragraph A.2 above, it is illegal and strictly prohibited for you to engage in, participate in, assist, support, or facilitate any act of prostitution, sex trafficking of children, or sex trafficking by force, fraud, or coercion. This includes, without limitation, it is prohibited for you to exchange any personal contact information with any user, or for you to take any action to arrange any type of face-to-face meeting with a user. Also, it is prohibited for you to discuss with a user any transaction involving any other service or product, including but not limited to any other Internet based service. Accounts found to be involved in any of these activities will be terminated and payments will be withheld.


In addition, performers and studios will now be regularly asked to verify that they are in compliance with the Agreement. This will be a short, simple process that will be added in the next 24 hours. Performers will be asked to verify before every stream, and Studios must verify whenever new models are added."

the fact that they're making us agree to this *every time* we stream makes me think they'll really be trying to crack down on anyone attempting to "slyly" give out their social media, clip stores, email or any other info. Be careful, ladies.

anonamiss
04-13-2018, 07:38 PM
^^^ Yes they implemented this new thing tonite, maybe they had issues with some models/ studios and now they wanna make sure they covered?!

they wanna make sure they're covered because of FOSTA/SESTA.

seicento
04-13-2018, 08:01 PM
Maybe they should also stop advertising on dating sites. Everytime I'm asked for personal info or irl meeting it's someone coming from a dating site. And usually broke. They advertise in such places and we are the ones having to deal with those idiots asking for phone, email or to meet.

anonamiss
04-13-2018, 08:11 PM
Maybe they should also stop advertising on dating sites. Everytime I'm asked for personal info or irl meeting it's someone coming from a dating site. And usually broke. They advertise in such places and we are the ones having to deal with those idiots asking for phone, email or to meet.

yes! Ugh, so much this. Also stop putting us on pop up ads on porn sites that make us look like we want real life sex. "Hot horny babe wants to fuck 2 miles away, click here!"

I get so paranoid any time some stupid gullible guy comes in telling me where he lives and asking how much it would cost to meet up (since the ad he clicked said I live in his town... Creepy AF.) I just hope SM doesn't ban models for seemingly facilitating a meet up (when it's really on the customer end) without getting the model's side of the story first.

seicento
04-13-2018, 08:22 PM
yes! Ugh, so much this. Also stop putting us on pop up ads on porn sites that make us look like we want real life sex. "Hot horny babe wants to fuck 2 miles away, click here!"

I get so paranoid any time some stupid gullible guy comes in telling me where he lives and asking how much it would cost to meet up (since the ad he clicked said I live in his town... Creepy AF.) I just hope SM doesn't ban models for seemingly facilitating a meet up (when it's really on the customer end) without getting the model's side of the story first.

Luckily I live in Europe and I've had maybe two guys from my country, in years. So I don't have to worry about those asking to meet up. I am just bothered. I want to get u off virtually and make some money dude, that's all.

anonamiss
04-13-2018, 08:30 PM
Luckily I live in Europe and I've had maybe two guys from my country, in years. So I don't have to worry about those asking to meet up. I am just bothered. I want to get u off virtually and make some money dude, that's all.

for sure. SM should give the customer accounts a giant pop-up for them to re-read and accept the terms and conditions of the site, emphasizing rules about not exchanging personal info or using the site to meet up, like they forced us to do.

edit: maybe they actually did. i just checked their general terms page and the trafficking/prostitution addendum is in bold, so i imagine they only recently added it like they did to our TOS. https://streamate.com/terms.html

anonamiss
04-13-2018, 09:03 PM
oh, now i see the part about agreeing to "voluntarily" be on cam. a separate pop-up comes up before you can click the "start my show" button. i hadn't yet seen that when i made my other post.

pussyhoe
04-13-2018, 11:53 PM
the TOS update is nice and all but will they enforce the rules for once? does this mean the bulk of us will start to get tips and shows since the model next to us won't have their entire twat out in free chat? maybe they will work on fixing their glitches and buying TRAFFIC cause holy fuck there is NONE. the placement changes they made are cool too but having actual spending traffic would be nice. in a perfect world there would be no free preview in private as free chat is all the free preview anyone should get. i swear guys bounce around waiting to see a girl in private just so they can hop in and ride the free preview wave. to sit for hours at a time and to finally get a private and WAMMO nothing but a barrage of private peepers.
to me webcam has just become stupid. i mean, i enjoy being a camgirl and all i just think it's time to leave SM