View Full Version : STREAMATE - Venting, Complaining, Discussing site issues
DeepThoughts
10-05-2018, 03:16 AM
I wish to tell top models that the way business work for them is a lot different than it works for most models on SM, when u are on page 2, 3, 4 things feel a lot different, u get little to no traffic & is a challenge to make the guys spend on you.
I been on page one and now I am not anymore, I know the difference, when u rely on the traffic SM sends you it's different than when u promote urself heavily and are present everywhere and have a huge following.
That's why there is a big difference of hustle, fees and performance, everyone is doing it's best to make a living on cam & work with what they get as traffic.
I talk in general here with a neutral tone, yes I love SM for the way it works cause trying token sites myself was painful, on MFC they made terrible comments like "But you are fat", I was "yeah, so what?". It felt like I was not supposed to be there u know, same happened on CB or Bonga, only on SM I can make money I see, any other site is not good for me.
No matter what page I am on I get the guys that spend on me still so I'll continue to cam there for as long as I can cam. Cheers!
And this is a great point. SM is providing you with a platform and the site is heavy with users but how those user find you or get to your room is your business. Its not SM responsibility to drive traffic to anyone room. That is your job and yes its a big job! You cant just hope on and do it one day it takes months to build a following and create interest. The traffic is there and if you find a way to drive it to your room then you will get a big piece of the pie but dont be fooled into thinking that just because you go on line with the willingness to get naked that you're going to bank because it doesnt work like that.
SuperPookie
10-05-2018, 08:11 AM
I'm sorry but I happen to disagree with the above.
It is SM's responsibility to make sure our individual rooms are noticed and that the traffic is of a semi decent at least quality (not for instance guys who think it is a dating site do to it being advertised in that matter). What is our responsibility is to then convert that traffic into paying sales. Customers being there for us to convert is why it is acceptable for them to be taking such a high percentage. If I have to bring my own traffic than that traffic will be going to a Skype site that pays a higher amount.
I don't mean to be argumentative so hopefully this post doesn't come off that way as that's just my two cents which is probably worth just that :D.
DeepThoughts
10-05-2018, 08:46 AM
^^ They changed the algorithm for the site and added keywords and categories but more then that how could the possibly be responsible to make sure individual rooms are noticed?? What do you propose? I dont think that is even a feasible request given how many models are on at any one given time. They more then then have a site with decent and quality traffic. Guys who think its a dating site are still traffic, they will convert and settle for ms. right now rather then ms. right and more then likely that traffic is coming from affiliates which has nothing to do with SM. Im not saying you have to bring your own traffic I am saying the traffic is there so get yourself noticed! GS work great for that. Being great to every guy regardless. Push your cammodels link, push your affiliate code put in more hours offer bonuses or videos. Have sex with Donald Trump and then reveal all whatever!
That high percentage is mostly covering costs to run the site and covering chargebacks. What you are suggesting is, in my mind at least, totally impossible!
KatyBoleyn
10-05-2018, 01:06 PM
I'm sorry but I happen to disagree with the above.
It is SM's responsibility to make sure our individual rooms are noticed and that the traffic is of a semi decent at least quality (not for instance guys who think it is a dating site do to it being advertised in that matter). What is our responsibility is to then convert that traffic into paying sales. Customers being there for us to convert is why it is acceptable for them to be taking such a high percentage. If I have to bring my own traffic than that traffic will be going to a Skype site that pays a higher amount.
I don't mean to be argumentative so hopefully this post doesn't come off that way as that's just my two cents which is probably worth just that :D.
All of the above is true...but there is a missing piece. If you also do the work of bringing your own traffic, you get 40% extra for that traffic. Your payout would be 70-75% for those guys - about the same as most Skype sites but with the added benefit that you get 20-35% for other models they spend on also. You can do this via white label or your .cammodel link.
SM is more of a "system" that puts independent contractor models with independent "affiliate" traffic pushers, giving each an equal cut. This is the not-so-secret to how they've lasted so long. Affiliates do get paid and keep getting paid, and SM is scrupulous with how they treat them and pay them - same as with the models. They take about 30% for themselves to pay for the overhead, accounting, processing, fraud losses, servers, etc.
@ DeepThoughts & all models: i am aware of all what u saying, what i said is, the top models experience on cam is different than the rest of other cammers on site, when u not on the 1st half of page one things change simply cause we dont have the traffic u guys get either because u promote urself or because u listed high and get noticed by all the guys coming to SM, is normal to get volume when u up there.
My comments were linked to the discussion about prices, how much people charge and for what tips they get up/ flash, all i am saying is, when u not a top model and are listed on page 2,3,4 or so u cant demand high prices simply cause people wont pay you, when u ranked lower u get the cheap traffic, that is what i meant.
In my case it's a personal decision not to promote myself 1st of all cause i dont want the exposure on social media and then i cant do the promotion work myself, this will tire me too much as i have nobody here to help, i can barely stay online on cam 4 hrs shifts due to health condition.
So yeah, i do what i can and work with the traffic i get from SM and that's it, i understood that u cant be up there if u dont promote urself, work long hrs and dedicate urself to this work simply.
I for myself have health as priority, today i did an ultrasound test to see how things are inside my body after the surgery i had in january 2017 as i had pain lately, it turns out nothing is wrong in there just i need to take care of what i eat cause it looks like i have a sensitive colon & a slow transit plus bloating, that's why the pain.
So i am all happy to be OK!! Yeah, this is my priority, the health!
Happy camming everyone!
Ari_star
10-05-2018, 02:22 PM
Today has sucked big time I sat around for 5 hours and didn't get any thing not a single penny! Now I know we all have bad days but damn I've had every glitch possible I switched between smbroadcaster and obs nope out of sing or frozen black screen no audio,it ain't my end went on 2 other sites and both working just fine but I far prefer sm I'm not a token site kinda girl so sucks to have to go on them just to make a few dollars so my day wasn't a complete wash out and I'm rated 4 star in the back of no where land checked my ratings have 5 5 star from the last 10 days and only 5 star for last 90 so why I'm 4 and lost in back pages sm needs to get on the glitches and fast
Malinka
10-05-2018, 03:39 PM
Hello Models, is there any change in the payment of steramate money? Daily earnings? Thank you for answer
BadBitch
10-05-2018, 03:43 PM
Today has sucked big time I sat around for 5 hours and didn't get any thing not a single penny! Now I know we all have bad days but damn I've had every glitch possible I switched between smbroadcaster and obs nope out of sing or frozen black screen no audio,it ain't my end went on 2 other sites and both working just fine but I far prefer sm I'm not a token site kinda girl so sucks to have to go on them just to make a few dollars so my day wasn't a complete wash out and I'm rated 4 star in the back of no where land checked my ratings have 5 5 star from the last 10 days and only 5 star for last 90 so why I'm 4 and lost in back pages sm needs to get on the glitches and fast
It's just bad. I have been on for 2 hours and have made $6.
euro_princess
10-05-2018, 04:17 PM
Hello Models, is there any change in the payment of steramate money? Daily earnings? Thank you for answer
SMPay for European models (paid directly by SM).
AcidYellow
10-05-2018, 04:39 PM
It's just bad. I have been on for 2 hours and have made $6.
For me yesterday was dead but today¡? God dam.. Brutal. Aaaggg
kamiliam
10-05-2018, 05:19 PM
I appreciate all the different perspectives on the unique styles for page placements. I just want to state that on the first page there are girls offering free flashes and full pussy shows. This effects those on page 2 and whatnot, so I understand the attitude of charge more. How does it look if we on the first page give everything for free? It hurts you too. I have gotten in tiffs on this subject so I am treading very lightly, but these freeloaders get this attitude for a reason. I want us all to make money, but just remember that even if you aren't on page one you are worth the world and you are offering these men something they need to pay for. I am honestly very boring without tips or without a good regular in my room. I don't ever have a high room count because of this and do not offer goldshows, yet I am still able to reign in customers. I fully admit I watch other rooms and have no shame in it, I like to see what my peers are doing, it doesn't change my hustle just lets me see what is going on. It breaks my heart when I see a beautiful girl taking her tits out or standing up and shaking her ass for everyone for no tip in the hopes that someone wants more because of that. You all are welcome to disagree with me or say that I am hating on someone else's hustle, but it won't change how I personally feel about the matter. Just because I am ranked higher does not mean that my tits are worth more then yours.
SamanthaSugar
10-05-2018, 06:11 PM
I’ll sit there with my tits out cz I’m a lazy bitch and sometimes it’s just way too much effort putting my shirt back on, but it’s only off for a couple of minutes, I like to do things in my own time. But yeah these last couple of days has sucked balls. I’m so fucking bored and I’ve only been online for 30 minutes :(
anonymous camgirl
10-05-2018, 07:53 PM
It's just bad. I have been on for 2 hours and have made $6.
haha that's what I made my first 2 hours.. sad.. cuz lately Fridays have been good.. nice and quiet, no drama and money to make
imelly21
10-06-2018, 11:46 AM
its all confusing in my opinion.As per the conversation within the last few posts. How are we supposed to advertise separately( as in to get the extra %) without a personal website , I mean on social media, if we are not allowed to advertise our twitter name or other social media? I feel that they push us to bring other customers from other sites to their site. If Im on MFC and I advertise my twitter there, and on my twitter I advertise SM, then I am stealing MFC customers. And that seems ok. But the other way around is not. Shady and confusing.
imelly21
10-06-2018, 11:50 AM
It breaks my heart when I see a beautiful girl taking her tits out or standing up and shaking her ass for everyone for no tip in the hopes that someone wants more because of that. You all are welcome to disagree with me or say that I am hating on someone else's hustle, but it won't change how I personally feel about the matter. Just because I am ranked higher does not mean that my tits are worth more then yours.
I used to be heart broken too when I was watching this on MFC and would not understand the game. The game is numerous times the model , if she knows what shes doing and doing it right, already has made her money and only then showing more. Or she has regulars watching, and she is playing them. And I totally agree all of our tits are worth all the money in the world. Does not matter our rank or whatever else.
imelly21
10-06-2018, 11:54 AM
I appreciate all the different perspectives on the unique styles for page placements. I just want to state that on the first page there are girls offering free flashes and full pussy shows. I agree with the full pussy show for free. Unacceptable. But the free flashes, there is almost always a catch, unless you are watching that model for along time and you know for sure she is offering totally free. Everybody's game is so unique, I have come to realize that. This is why I do not even watch other rooms anymore and just concentrate on my game so I can master it. :)
XSelinex
10-06-2018, 12:38 PM
I wont be rude,but I saw a full pussy shows in free too and often sometimes without golds tipped ,but those models got their tokens at the same time on myfreecams and chaturbate,I heard sounds of tips from there,so it's mostly my tragedy that I'll have are beggars after them,they got her money from other sites while I work exclusively on SM and free shows hurts my earnings.
Yes I'm from 1st page and doing flashes for 10 golds,were times when I got even 20 or 50 for flash but now I mostly hear that it's too expensive and they leave,seems members now too cheap,or they spoiled with free tits I don't know.
anonamiss
10-06-2018, 01:10 PM
its all confusing in my opinion.As per the conversation within the last few posts. How are we supposed to advertise separately( as in to get the extra %) without a personal website , I mean on social media, if we are not allowed to advertise our twitter name or other social media? I feel that they push us to bring other customers from other sites to their site. If Im on MFC and I advertise my twitter there, and on my twitter I advertise SM, then I am stealing MFC customers. And that seems ok. But the other way around is not. Shady and confusing.
what? I'm not following what you meant by "the other way around". Are you saying you wish you could bring your SM customers to MFC? Also, if you advertise your SM referral link on Twitter and a guy from MFC signs up with it, that's not "stealing MFC customers", that's doing exactly what the referral is for. You drove new traffic to the site, therefore you get a bigger cut. It doesn't matter where the traffic comes from as long as the person isn't already on SM.
You're allowed to have social media or a personal website, you just can't mention it in your chat room. Which is why you should use the same name across every site. Guys will find you. You wouldn't benefit from telling guys about your social media on SM in order to advertise your referral link, because anyone on SM already has an account and therefore couldn't use your referral.
pussyhoe
10-06-2018, 04:03 PM
I wont be rude,but I saw a full pussy shows in free too and often sometimes without golds tipped ,but those models got their tokens at the same time on myfreecams and chaturbate,I heard sounds of tips from there,so it's mostly my tragedy that I'll have are beggars after them,they got her money from other sites while I work exclusively on SM and free shows hurts my earnings.
Yes I'm from 1st page and doing flashes for 10 golds,were times when I got even 20 or 50 for flash but now I mostly hear that it's too expensive and they leave,seems members now too cheap,or they spoiled with free tits I don't know.
Yeah unfortunately its normal to see full on pussy shows in free chat. Really jacked up. I'm going to start hammering my sin cave in free chat too. According to others here, we shouldn't watch others on cam so do me a favor, when I'm in free chat with the entire red snapper out please don't report me. Reporting is wrong. Nobody likes a tattle
Scorpio Girl
10-06-2018, 04:19 PM
I appreciate all the different perspectives on the unique styles for page placements. I just want to state that on the first page there are girls offering free flashes and full pussy shows. This effects those on page 2 and whatnot, so I understand the attitude of charge more. How does it look if we on the first page give everything for free? It hurts you too. I have gotten in tiffs on this subject so I am treading very lightly, but these freeloaders get this attitude for a reason. I want us all to make money, but just remember that even if you aren't on page one you are worth the world and you are offering these men something they need to pay for. I am honestly very boring without tips or without a good regular in my room. I don't ever have a high room count because of this and do not offer goldshows, yet I am still able to reign in customers. I fully admit I watch other rooms and have no shame in it, I like to see what my peers are doing, it doesn't change my hustle just lets me see what is going on. It breaks my heart when I see a beautiful girl taking her tits out or standing up and shaking her ass for everyone for no tip in the hopes that someone wants more because of that. You all are welcome to disagree with me or say that I am hating on someone else's hustle, but it won't change how I personally feel about the matter. Just because I am ranked higher does not mean that my tits are worth more then yours.
Did I write this? lol I am so boring without one of my chatty regulars or someone tipping. I've just always been really shy and I need someone outgoing to get me talking. I do offer gold shows sometimes, but it is a struggle unless someone good comes in and tips in more than the minimum.
anonamiss
10-06-2018, 06:45 PM
Yeah unfortunately its normal to see full on pussy shows in free chat. Really jacked up. I'm going to start hammering my sin cave in free chat too. According to others here, we shouldn't watch others on cam so do me a favor, when I'm in free chat with the entire red snapper out please don't report me. Reporting is wrong. Nobody likes a tattle
lol I sincerely hope this is sarcasm
BadBitch
10-06-2018, 07:13 PM
I appreciate all the different perspectives on the unique styles for page placements. I just want to state that on the first page there are girls offering free flashes and full pussy shows. This effects those on page 2 and whatnot, so I understand the attitude of charge more. How does it look if we on the first page give everything for free? It hurts you too. I have gotten in tiffs on this subject so I am treading very lightly, but these freeloaders get this attitude for a reason. I want us all to make money, but just remember that even if you aren't on page one you are worth the world and you are offering these men something they need to pay for. I am honestly very boring without tips or without a good regular in my room. I don't ever have a high room count because of this and do not offer goldshows, yet I am still able to reign in customers. I fully admit I watch other rooms and have no shame in it, I like to see what my peers are doing, it doesn't change my hustle just lets me see what is going on. It breaks my heart when I see a beautiful girl taking her tits out or standing up and shaking her ass for everyone for no tip in the hopes that someone wants more because of that. You all are welcome to disagree with me or say that I am hating on someone else's hustle, but it won't change how I personally feel about the matter. Just because I am ranked higher does not mean that my tits are worth more then yours.
You sound SO much like me!
Halo88
10-08-2018, 12:42 AM
Also apparently kept getting the glitch where the customer says the screen saying I'm in a private show pops up randomly, when I'm just hanging out in free chat. That would explain all the times nearly everyone in my room vanished simultaneously.
Have you tried the "Break Button Trick?"
My account gets stuck like that often where it shows up for some guys that I'm still in private.
I click the break button for maybe 10 seconds then off, and it stabilizes again. Sometimes I have to do it more than once.
The thing about it, is that sometimes a few guys can see me and most can't when that happens.
So I think it is either a mobile glitch, or a specific browser.
Maybe even android or IOS specific issue.
Or maybe it's the browser I'm using that causes it.
Or Flash. Probably Flash.
Who knows.
Try that out though and hope that helps!
anonamiss
10-08-2018, 03:25 AM
Have you tried the "Break Button Trick?"
My account gets stuck like that often where it shows up for some guys that I'm still in private.
I click the break button for maybe 10 seconds then off, and it stabilizes again. Sometimes I have to do it more than once.
The thing about it, is that sometimes a few guys can see me and most can't when that happens.
So I think it is either a mobile glitch, or a specific browser.
Maybe even android or IOS specific issue.
Or maybe it's the browser I'm using that causes it.
Or Flash. Probably Flash.
Who knows.
Try that out though and hope that helps!
the problem is I have no way of knowing when it happens so I wouldn't know when to do the break button trick. Its not that it happens after a real private show - it just happens randomly when I've been in free chat for a while. Guys will just leave thinking I've been taken private and don't necessarily come back right away, but nothing changes on my end. If my regs are around, they are aware of the glitch and will refresh the page (which solves the glitch on their end) and tell me what happened. But since they're already back in my room I don't know if it makes sense to do the break button trick at that point.
I will keep it in mind though, thank you. I was unaware that anyone was doing that as a glitch fix. If a bunch of guys leave at the same time again, I will try that and see If it helps. I think you're correct about it being caused by a specific variable on the guys end, though.
euro_princess
10-08-2018, 05:57 AM
the problem is I have no way of knowing when it happens so I wouldn't know when to do the break button trick. Its not that it happens after a real private show - it just happens randomly when I've been in free chat for a while. Guys will just leave thinking I've been taken private and don't necessarily come back right away, but nothing changes on my end. If my regs are around, they are aware of the glitch and will refresh the page (which solves the glitch on their end) and tell me what happened. But since they're already back in my room I don't know if it makes sense to do the break button trick at that point.
I will keep it in mind though, thank you. I was unaware that anyone was doing that as a glitch fix. If a bunch of guys leave at the same time again, I will try that and see If it helps. I think you're correct about it being caused by a specific variable on the guys end, though.
I don't think it's a glitch and I'll explain why and the logic behind it.
When guests (people without account) stay too much in free chat, they will get this pop-up of you going private (even if you are still in free chat). It's made to make people register and get curious about your show. "DAMN, she went private, I want to see what happens in there" - this type of logic.
I think they extended this "marketing tool" for members also. And quite frankly, they deserve it. If you spend too much in free chat talking non sense shit, yeah, I want the website to note you I went private, to remind you the purpose of this website. It's not Facebook, to chitchat all day.
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. If they got this note, means they were over a certain amount of time in free chat (don't know what's the minimum, just assuming) and it's time to go private. Can't get infinite peeks.
anonamiss
10-08-2018, 06:17 AM
I don't think it's a glitch and I'll explain why and the logic behind it.
When guests (people without account) stay too much in free chat, they will get this pop-up of you going private (even if you are still in free chat). It's made to make people register and get curious about your show. "DAMN, she went private, I want to see what happens in there" - this type of logic.
I think they extended this "marketing tool" for members also. And quite frankly, they deserve it. If you spend too much in free chat talking non sense shit, yeah, I want the website to note you I went private, to remind you the purpose of this website. It's not Facebook, to chitchat all day.
Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it. If they got this note, means they were over a certain amount of time in free chat (don't know what's the minimum, just assuming) and it's time to go private. Can't get infinite peeks.
eh, I really disagree with this and hope its not the case, simply because it's not my hustle. I willingly spend a lot of time in free chat. My room has kind of a laidback chatty MFC vibe but with a way smaller audience, which I like. My regs are really friendly with each other in the chat and it attracts new guys because they wanna feel like part of the club. I still get privates/exclusives and do gold shows, but I also get tipped a lot for just hanging out/being entertaining in free chat. I definitely don't treat my room as if anyone is getting "infinite peeks." They're welcome to watch whatever I'm doing in free chat if they choose, because that's the nature of free chat (as long as they aren't being assholes, which is not common for me. I block maybe 1 person a week.) I realize most girls here won't agree and that's fine - not bashing anyone's hustle. But it should be up to me to hustle people into private at my discretion... I don't want Streamate interrupting my free chat flow. Sometimes I have 25+ guys in there all chatting, which is the perfect time to start a gold show... But then that glitch happens and everyone gets booted out. The momentum is lost and not everyone returns. It's really annoying.
Also, I've seen the popup for non-members and it doesn't actually say that the model went private. It says that your free time is up (I forget how its worded.) but its not the same screen that pops up when you actually go private, which is what does show up in the glitch I mentioned. What good does it do anyway if it's a glitchy fake private screen that isn't even generated from a real private? If it was a real one, guys could actually join in. But with this glitch everyone is just in limbo. It's not helpful. Plus, I really hate when guys go private without talking first. When that glitch happens, it also makes guys think its okay to do that. I personally think its rude not to chat first and I kick anyone out who goes straight to private.
Adding one more thought - I don't use tip vibes but I was thinking, tons of girls make a huge chunk of their income in free chat with interactive toys now, so with that in mind it really doesn't make sense to apply a free chat time limit for anyone because privates/exclusives are not necessarily every model's goal.
gorgeousbbw
10-09-2018, 02:54 AM
6 hours on cam. $20 that averages to $3.33 an hour and at this rate I am better off working at fucking Mcdonalds. It has been this way for me for the past 4 months almost. Please tell me if its just me or is this an issue for other girls here too? I have an i7 gaming laptop, high speed internet, ethernet connection all the requirements. But for the life of me I cannot make more than $50 per shift at the most on a good day. I hustle, trust me I talk, engage, and try to close every sale but nothing. Just don't know if it's me or the site going to shit.
tropo
10-09-2018, 10:53 AM
6 hours on cam. $20 that averages to $3.33 an hour and at this rate I am better off working at fucking Mcdonalds. It has been this way for me for the past 4 months almost. Please tell me if its just me or is this an issue for other girls here too? I have an i7 gaming laptop, high speed internet, ethernet connection all the requirements. But for the life of me I cannot make more than $50 per shift at the most on a good day. I hustle, trust me I talk, engage, and try to close every sale but nothing. Just don't know if it's me or the site going to shit.
No, it's not just you. I work on 4 sites and ALL are dead - sites that used to be moderately to very busy. In August I thought it might be the holiday season keeping it quiet... then blamed football... and then it kept getting quieter and quieter. There's virtually no traffic, paid or free. Due to the sites I work on, my customers are all over the world, so it's not just a US thing. Europe and other parts have gone dead too. I've been at this since 2005, so I have a long track record to look back on. I noticed a distinct downturn in 2016, about this time of year. This is the 2nd time I've seen a very distinct downturn in business. Unfortunately, due to my geo location I don't work on US time early to late evening, which I presume is the peak time for cam work in the US. Due to the huge volume of free internet porn and the prolific free token sites, I've always predicted this business would eventually be phased out of existence. Could this be the beginning of the end, or a temporary slump? In the past I might have had to suffer through an odd very quiet day every now and then, but right now all days are quiet.
(note to SM fan club: This is a venting thread. Don't come here to complain about my venting and suggest it's all me)
I soo missed **NOT** a week long contest on SM!!
Ginnyyy
10-09-2018, 04:28 PM
Finally somebody had the balls to tell I m lagging (from his POV), I don t know if it was true for everyone cause I m geoblocked but ended my stream, came back, was OK enough for him to take me private again.
I m streaming from browser nowadays and am gonna remove geoblocks to check myself once in a while if that s the case. Too bad, I loved to keep Russia banned for their non compliance to any DMCA.
Ginnyyy
10-09-2018, 04:34 PM
6 hours on cam. $20 that averages to $3.33 an hour and at this rate I am better off working at fucking Mcdonalds. It has been this way for me for the past 4 months almost. Please tell me if its just me or is this an issue for other girls here too? I have an i7 gaming laptop, high speed internet, ethernet connection all the requirements. But for the life of me I cannot make more than $50 per shift at the most on a good day. I hustle, trust me I talk, engage, and try to close every sale but nothing. Just don't know if it's me or the site going to shit.
Hey, I m doing great with phone sex and Skypes and if you d like to give phone calls or Skype shows a try, I m sure your income will go higher back again. I keep myself available on phone and Skype the entire time I m camming, except when I m busy.
At least, it fits for me. Clips would do good too especially once you re established. Have a productive October.
JoyKitten
10-09-2018, 06:45 PM
No, it's not just you. I work on 4 sites and ALL are dead - sites that used to be moderately to very busy. In August I thought it might be the holiday season keeping it quiet... then blamed football... and then it kept getting quieter and quieter. There's virtually no traffic, paid or free. Due to the sites I work on, my customers are all over the world, so it's not just a US thing. Europe and other parts have gone dead too. I've been at this since 2005, so I have a long track record to look back on. I noticed a distinct downturn in 2016, about this time of year. This is the 2nd time I've seen a very distinct downturn in business. Unfortunately, due to my geo location I don't work on US time early to late evening, which I presume is the peak time for cam work in the US. Due to the huge volume of free internet porn and the prolific free token sites, I've always predicted this business would eventually be phased out of existence. Could this be the beginning of the end, or a temporary slump? In the past I might have had to suffer through an odd very quiet day every now and then, but right now all days are quiet.
(note to SM fan club: This is a venting thread. Don't come here to complain about my venting and suggest it's all me)
You've made some great points.
IMO the industry is changing because, as you said, guys have so much free live porn available on the token sites, so that's taking a lot of business away. It's a turning point & there's no going back. All industries are continually evolving, and camming is no different. It's always easy to be a rock star when an industry first comes to market. It's the professionals who keep changing their game who survive their industry's upheavals.
Also, IMO, models who are either giving away videos for gold are also slowing their own traffic. IDK but if a guy can spend $3 on your gold show & also receive access to a free video or 2 with it, it makes sense to me that he's not necessarily going to be needing to spend more time with your live shows. Or, is it just me who thinks that?
And then there is the fetish traffic. Now that there are so many clip sites, & heck, clips being sold on Streamate, why do guys need to pay $5 p/min ($5x5min=$25) if they can buy one video for $5.99 to watch over & over again? They can create their own library of cheap vids to watch, rather than pay us for live shows.
Personally, I think the next evalution in camming is moving toward retaining our customers through creating more of a GFE experience with them. Most of them can watch porn & get-off to it. But they're now realizing they're missing is having a 'relationship' with a camgirl who 'gets' them. A more individual experience with women who appear to actually like them & spending time with them on live video (NOT meet-ups or the illusion you would meet them!) Does anyone else find the GFE/TLC formula working for them in your biz on Streamate or via Skype?
JoyKitten
10-09-2018, 07:10 PM
Have you tried the "Break Button Trick?"
My account gets stuck like that often where it shows up for some guys that I'm still in private.
I click the break button for maybe 10 seconds then off, and it stabilizes again. Sometimes I have to do it more than once.
The thing about it, is that sometimes a few guys can see me and most can't when that happens.
So I think it is either a mobile glitch, or a specific browser.
Maybe even android or IOS specific issue.
Or maybe it's the browser I'm using that causes it.
Or Flash. Probably Flash.
Who knows.
Try that out though and hope that helps!
>>> Bump <<<
JoyKitten
10-09-2018, 07:47 PM
Today has sucked big time I sat around for 5 hours and didn't get any thing not a single penny! Now I know we all have bad days but damn I've had every glitch possible I switched between smbroadcaster and obs nope out of sing or frozen black screen no audio,it ain't my end went on 2 other sites and both working just fine but I far prefer sm I'm not a token site kinda girl so sucks to have to go on them just to make a few dollars so my day wasn't a complete wash out and I'm rated 4 star in the back of no where land checked my ratings have 5 5 star from the last 10 days and only 5 star for last 90 so why I'm 4 and lost in back pages sm needs to get on the glitches and fast
There were a couple of comments about how slow it was on Friday (& I'm sure it only got worse thru the weekend)
#1 US long weekend (Columbus Day) for many industries & all schools (kids at home means dad's less likely to be wankin')
#2 Canadian Thanksgiving 3 day weekend too
IMO, Making this entire season worse, especially EVERY evening.... there are baseball play-offs, NFL football every Sun, Mon & Thurs nights, Saturdays all day college football (lots of betting & alumni allegiances, so guys watch the games... especially early in the season). And if that isn't bad enough, basketball has begun too. Ack!!! * Sigh * And then there's also hockey in the evenings too. Sheesh!
For myself, I avoid working the hours when I know I'm going to be competing with sports (so I cam before 8pm or after 11pm ET), or on holiday weekends. And if I do work during the games or on 3 day holiday weekends, it helps me stay sane knowing it's them, not me.
TheBrownFox
10-09-2018, 08:08 PM
IDK but if a guy can spend $3 on your gold show & also receive access to a free video or 2 with it, it makes sense to me that he's not necessarily going to be needing to spend more time with your live shows. Or, is it just me who thinks that?
Trust me...I feel ya on that one! Lol.
XO_Alice
10-09-2018, 08:24 PM
You've made some great points.
IMO the industry is changing because, as you said, guys have so much free live porn available on the token sites, so that's taking a lot of business away. It's a turning point & there's no going back. All industries are continually evolving, and camming is no different. It's always easy to be a rock star when an industry first comes to market. It's the professionals who keep changing their game who survive their industry's upheavals.
Also, IMO, models who are either giving away videos for gold are also slowing their own traffic. IDK but if a guy can spend $3 on your gold show & also receive access to a free video or 2 with it, it makes sense to me that he's not necessarily going to be needing to spend more time with your live shows. Or, is it just me who thinks that?
And then there is the fetish traffic. Now that there are so many clip sites, & heck, clips being sold on Streamate, why do guys need to pay $5 p/min ($5x5min=$25) if they can buy one video for $5.99 to watch over & over again? They can create their own library of cheap vids to watch, rather than pay us for live shows.
Personally, I think the next evalution in camming is moving toward retaining our customers through creating more of a GFE experience with them. Most of them can watch porn & get-off to it. But they're now realizing they're missing is having a 'relationship' with a camgirl who 'gets' them. A more individual experience with women who appear to actually like them & spending time with them on live video (NOT meet-ups or the illusion you would meet them!) Does anyone else find the GFE/TLC formula working for them in your biz on Streamate or via Skype?
^^These are good points, too. Especially with the availability of clips and token shows, who is going to pay boatloads of money for pvt? Evidently some, but it's so damned slow rn for technical reasons in addition to an over-saturated market I couldn't expect to compete for all of those clients. The GFE has helped me keep in touch with paying clients; however, it has mostly been problematic as many clients only pay for the sexy bits, in a pvt show. In fact, the only time I've been truly successful offering the GFE to clients has been when it's in conjunction to a kink/sex show (they'd tip me until they were ready for pvt, where they'd pony up even more cash). Which is excellent! But I find it very difficult to maintain in the context of sex cam streaming because of the obvious nature of our work. Guys who like the GFE seem to enjoy having mental and social stimulation above all else, and many simply will not pay for it under the pretense that 'the best things in life are free'. Gotta build a brand identity and offer a useful service to go with it, IMO. Otherwise, why wouldn't they head over to Twitch or Youtube and spend their energy tossing a few tokens to their favorite streamers.
Also, IMO, models who are either giving away videos for gold are also slowing their own traffic. IDK but if a guy can spend $3 on your gold show & also receive access to a free video or 2 with it, it makes sense to me that he's not necessarily going to be needing to spend more time with your live shows. Or, is it just me who thinks that?
And then there is the fetish traffic. Now that there are so many clip sites, & heck, clips being sold on Streamate, why do guys need to pay $5 p/min ($5x5min=$25) if they can buy one video for $5.99 to watch over & over again? They can create their own library of cheap vids to watch, rather than pay us for live shows.
I am telling this for years in here that giving away hot pics & vids will affect us all on the long run, nobody believed me & said i am negative :(((
Also, i was selling fetish live shows on cam as that was my niche, not anymore, i very rarely get a fetish guy looking for a live show with me as i dont sell content or work Skype but cam on SM only.
These all were to be expected for who has eyes to see and mind to understand the consequences.
I dont see any top model in here to tell us to give 'incentives' anymore, they were giving advice to everyone how to give away pics and vids together with cheap gold show buy ins.
I am not happy to be right cause we all suffer now :(:'(
Marina Starr
10-10-2018, 05:03 AM
You are NOT the only one. That's why I refused to make videos on sites which I provide live shows. Nothing infuriates me more than guys stop in to say 'I watched your videos, so hot' and not spend. My fear would be if I sell videos, they'll spend less on live shows or stop spending altogether.
I see no point of offering $1 GS ANNNNNNND give away for free hundreds and thousands of videos.
Also, IMO, models who are either giving away videos for gold are also slowing their own traffic. IDK but if a guy can spend $3 on your gold show & also receive access to a free video or 2 with it, it makes sense to me that he's not necessarily going to be needing to spend more time with your live shows. Or, is it just me who thinks that?
DahliaSimone
10-10-2018, 11:13 AM
You've made some great points.
IMO the industry is changing because, as you said, guys have so much free live porn available on the token sites, so that's taking a lot of business away. It's a turning point & there's no going back. All industries are continually evolving, and camming is no different. It's always easy to be a rock star when an industry first comes to market. It's the professionals who keep changing their game who survive their industry's upheavals.
Also, IMO, models who are either giving away videos for gold are also slowing their own traffic. IDK but if a guy can spend $3 on your gold show & also receive access to a free video or 2 with it, it makes sense to me that he's not necessarily going to be needing to spend more time with your live shows. Or, is it just me who thinks that?
And then there is the fetish traffic. Now that there are so many clip sites, & heck, clips being sold on Streamate, why do guys need to pay $5 p/min ($5x5min=$25) if they can buy one video for $5.99 to watch over & over again? They can create their own library of cheap vids to watch, rather than pay us for live shows.
Personally, I think the next evalution in camming is moving toward retaining our customers through creating more of a GFE experience with them. Most of them can watch porn & get-off to it. But they're now realizing they're missing is having a 'relationship' with a camgirl who 'gets' them. A more individual experience with women who appear to actually like them & spending time with them on live video (NOT meet-ups or the illusion you would meet them!) Does anyone else find the GFE/TLC formula working for them in your biz on Streamate or via Skype?
Most of my regs are because I offer GFE experience. I ask about their days, things I know about their life, greet them warmly, and just talk to them on a normal basis, until its showtime. It also kind of helps make me more comfortable in shows, in knowing (as much as you can know a stranger, really) the person on the other end, what they want, etc. I've never been able to do the whole stone-cold sexbot thing, and its worked for me so far.
Ginnyyy
10-10-2018, 02:53 PM
Sooo I removed geoblock to see today that my feed is freezing once in a few seconds...facepalm. I cleared cookies and it s OK for now. I have to stream from Mozilla nowadays on SM cause on Chrome it doesn t use the proper wide resolution anymore, just like that, suddenly.
EDIT: no more freezing, but a 9-11 seconds latency. Umm sure, cause when you have 12Mb upload available for Seattle, 31FPS and SM is running at 11%CPU only, that shouldn t happen.
^^^ I dont geoblock cause i dont have a member account to check on my placement and feed, i often found myself on page 6 then i looked up ranking page and i saw it said NO HD, NO Sound, NO Wide screen!!! so i had to reset session and get back to my usual spot.
Even now when typing i checked up my placement and i am way behind for no apparent reason as my parameters are all Excellent in Ranking page, i stream with a little over 2000kb/sec, fps are 30 and no dropped frames.
I hope it'll fix itself at a point cause i reset the session and still the same, way behind on page 5-6 as this morning was on page 2!!
SuperPookie
10-10-2018, 04:56 PM
^^^ I dont geoblock cause i dont have a member account to check on my placement and feed, i often found myself on page 6 then i looked up ranking page and i saw it said NO HD, NO Sound, NO Wide screen!!! so i had to reset session and get back to my usual spot.
Even now when typing i checked up my placement and i am way behind for no apparent reason as my parameters are all Excellent in Ranking page, i stream with a little over 2000kb/sec, fps are 30 and no dropped frames.
I hope it'll fix itself at a point cause i reset the session and still the same, way behind on page 5-6 as this morning was on page 2!!
I've never once shown as using audio or HD, etc on my stats page regardless. I've messaged support numerous times over the years and just got the copy and paste response about using the encoder
Scorpio Girl
10-10-2018, 05:01 PM
You are NOT the only one. That's why I refused to make videos on sites which I provide live shows. Nothing infuriates me more than guys stop in say to 'I watched your videos, so hot' and not spend. My fear would be if I sell videos, they'll spend less on live shows or stop spending altogether.
I see no point of offering $1 GS ANNNNNNND give away for free hundreds and thousands of videos.
Yes! I get asked about videos on SM all the time. I'm not putting them on there. SM is my camming site only. I have two other sites for videos. If they really want the videos, it's not that hard to find me. I don't judge other chicks on what they do but I think it's crazy to offer the world for these gold shows when they are already a great bargain.
I've never once shown as using audio or HD, etc on my stats page regardless. I've messaged support numerous times over the years and just got the copy and paste response about using the encoder
You mean u stream with the encoder and still dont have that parameters to Yes?!
I know i sound like SM but why so?!
You know what they say: strong pc, fast connection, good equipment including camera, encoder is a must, so on.
Marina Starr
10-10-2018, 06:10 PM
Same. I won't even answer when they asked. I focus on keeping their dick hard which doesn't take much and draining their wallets, LOL.
Yes! I get asked about videos on SM all the time. I'm not putting them on there. SM is my camming site only. I have two other sites for videos. If they really want the videos, it's not that hard to find me. I don't judge other chicks on what they do but I think it's crazy to offer the world for these gold shows when they are already a great bargain.
Ginnyyy
10-10-2018, 06:12 PM
^^^ I dont geoblock cause i dont have a member account to check on my placement and feed, i often found myself on page 6 then i looked up ranking page and i saw it said NO HD, NO Sound, NO Wide screen!!! so i had to reset session and get back to my usual spot.
Even now when typing i checked up my placement and i am way behind for no apparent reason as my parameters are all Excellent in Ranking page, i stream with a little over 2000kb/sec, fps are 30 and no dropped frames.
I hope it'll fix itself at a point cause i reset the session and still the same, way behind on page 5-6 as this morning was on page 2!!
Yeah, I ve seen no HD from time to time on my rankings as well and then it s back, the No Sound im seeing it more often.
SuperPookie
10-10-2018, 07:11 PM
You mean u stream with the encoder and still dont have that parameters to Yes?!
I know i sound like SM but why so?!
You know what they say: strong pc, fast connection, good equipment including camera, encoder is a must, so on.
I cannot use the encoder where I am currently but even when I could it made no difference in how I was listed. I've always had audio regardless and it's never shown either when I check the stats page.
Ginnyyy
10-11-2018, 03:27 AM
For me, I think the Audio not enabled stuff in my rankings comes from streaming from browser. I don t remember seeing this bug when I was using SMB, FMLE or OBS. The moment I quit OBS and migrated to the broswer only, it bounced me from page 2to way behind, but I m multitasking and splitting so I wouldn t feel it as much.
Blaize
10-11-2018, 09:02 AM
May I vent about the fact that I can't even vent yet because I'm /still/ not verified? Boleyn Models was the only site that seemed to be able to read my ID and everywhere else has been a nightmare.
Ginnyyy
10-11-2018, 10:10 AM
May I vent about the fact that I can't even vent yet because I'm /still/ not verified? Boleyn Models was the only site that seemed to be able to read my ID and everywhere else has been a nightmare.
Oh hello and a warm welcome :) It took 48 hs to approve me when I signed up. Hold in there and good luck :)