View Full Version : STREAMATE - Venting, Complaining, Discussing site issues
Hxchayley
03-03-2016, 10:23 AM
Why am I getting disconnected when I move my monitor?
How odd..
I'm having some weirdness too
I think my cam freezes whenever I talk...guys will be there,
Ask a question and as soon as I answer POOF
Glamourmilf
03-03-2016, 10:25 AM
I legit had that happen to me once!!!
I used to cam and live at a studio. I lived upstairs in the apartment suite. The cam studio was in this business park type place with all kinds of units in a row. The fetish room had a couch that was in front of some venetian blinds that covered a really large window. I always used to work for Naked and I would sit there and show tits for 10 minutes after we got to $50...
So anyway one day Im doing my thing with my titties out for the 10 minutes, and it was on the weekend so no one was around in the business park. I had unknowingly got on cam with the blinds pivoted so you could see through them. I'm sitting there when one of my regulars says "oh my god, there is someone in the window behind you!" And I just laugh it off, haha so funny... thinking he is just joking.
Then the other guys in the room say OMG he is right there is a guy! Please look behind you! (they knew I was alone and this wasnt someone I knew because they were all regulars basically and they knew my slave that came on with me sometimes) So I finally go haha ok guys seriously not funny and I turn around to look AND THERE IS A BLACK MOTHERFUCKER STARING BACK AT ME!
I swear I have never screamed so loud in my life. I was alone, my boss was obviously not in the office at the time and I called him at his house in a panic. He told me to call the cops. The even crazier thing was that after I screamed, this guy walked away all nonchalantly and was looking at me like "what? what did I do?" lol! Ok dude..
Omg! I wonder if that was the same studio I worked for, which was a Naked.com studio too.
It was just as you described it.
Just outside of L.A.
P.m. me
Hxchayley
03-03-2016, 10:26 AM
11-15% in paid all week. Yup...because I suck sometimes...or SM does.
I'm sitting at 7 MOTHER FUCKING PERCENT. Which is why I really need help on finding another site.
^^^ There is no site like SM, i could not find one to fit my camming style where i can charge decent money & make the guys pay decent for my shows, they are either older sites that are not popular anymore or newer sites - the token ones where i dont fit in, as much as i bitch about SM there i can make a living WHEN SITE WORKS, i love this site and hate it when is wonky.
I'll add more eggs now that my new system can handle it YAY! and switch to another(s) one or splitcam when sm is not working at a particular moment for me but as long as this site is up and running i'm camming on it and milking as much money as possible out of these guys pockets.
Btw, my antivirus tells me they blocked threats/ trojan every time i go on streamate.com, might be the site was/is attacked that's why the issues last eve?
Cant be my antivirus to be 'too sensitive' or so cause on old system i had another antivirus (eset) who shown me a trojan was blocked and on this new system i have another antivirus that tells the same.
This is worrying me a lot, never before i had these messages from any antivirus i was running on my systems while camming on SM. (i uploaded the proof pics above in this thread, few pages back).
Anyone getting these messages when they load streamate.com? (streamatemodels.com is ok btw)
SnoviaTerror
03-03-2016, 11:12 AM
Omg! I wonder if that was the same studio I worked for, which was a Naked.com studio too.
It was just as you described it.
Just outside of L.A.
P.m. me
That would be so fucking crazy if you worked at the same studio. That's actually how Mistress X and I met. :)
MistressX
03-03-2016, 11:16 AM
omfg peskin. That was such a crazy time. I wonder if its the same studio and if you ever saw my hearse parked out front? It may have been after we left though. When we left, that studio had a serious case of bed bugs that were hiding dormant in the very rear rooms. When todd decided to take half the studio and expand the warehouse in the back, it brought them all forward. So glad we dont live there anymore!
MistressX
03-03-2016, 11:19 AM
^^^ There is no site like SM, i could not find one to fit my camming style where i can charge decent money & make the guys pay decent for my shows, they are either older sites that are not popular anymore or newer sites - the token ones where i dont fit in, as much as i bitch about SM there i can make a living WHEN SITE WORKS, i love this site and hate it when is wonky.
I'll add more eggs now that my new system can handle it YAY! and switch to another(s) one or splitcam when sm is not working at a particular moment for me but as long as this site is up and running i'm camming on it and milking as much money as possible out of these guys pockets.
Btw, my antivirus tells me they blocked threats/ trojan every time i go on streamate.com, might be the site was/is attacked that's why the issues last eve?
Cant be my antivirus to be 'too sensitive' or so cause on old system i had another antivirus (eset) who shown me a trojan was blocked and on this new system i have another antivirus that tells the same.
This is worrying me a lot, never before i had these messages from any antivirus i was running on my systems while camming on SM. (i uploaded the proof pics above in this thread, few pages back).
Anyone getting these messages when they load streamate.com? (streamatemodels.com is ok btw)
I checked my system after you posted about this. I had 3 JS exploit trojans on my computer. these are the types of trojans that they can use to view you through your webcam. I never go to sites I dont trust and never open attachments on my computer. I am worried now thinking its a possibility that these guys can send our computers trojans... And if that is the case I need to get way more protection.
Bobo12345
03-03-2016, 11:20 AM
I do not think I have enough alcohol to deal with sm now !one of those days when I wish I had the courage not to work with him anymore!I feel a terrible lack of traffic and lots of technical problems leading to myself logged out and haveing some redwine !
See this now pls, also the zoom in to read the thing for the people who knows what it means, the threat picture is for the 2nd message i got from my antivirus (see is message 2of2 there, the 1st one i had no time to read cause it went by too fast then the window went off the screen (still learning this new antivirus lol).
I also get a voice loud message when there is a threat, have to disable this cause members can hear it too lol.
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RaeRae
03-03-2016, 11:35 AM
I have the same antivirus and I don't get that message on any browser when on Streamate at all. Is it possible that it's an infected ad server trying to send malware out so not everyone is affected?
Hxchayley
03-03-2016, 11:47 AM
I do not think I have enough alcohol to deal with sm now !one of those days when I wish I had the courage not to work with him anymore!I feel a terrible lack of traffic and lots of technical problems leading to myself logged out and haveing some redwine !
I'm making a trip to the store myself.
I have to take a break from SM. At least a couple days. This is absurd, I know shit is fucked up for sure because I'm glitchy and freezing even when I MYSELF check my cam, and that shit always tries to tell me my shit is fine. My page will only load after about 3 times of refreshing, and I'm using two separate connections and laptops when I do this to make sure one is not effecting the other. (My aunt lives below me, I swoop her wifi for this, and her shits bomb, I was able to cam off of it no problem a month back when I had to wait two fucking weeks for a person to come out here)
I am so angry and sad it's fucking crazy. My wallet is going to take a hit but it's already fucking taking a hit and I'm getting frustrated and insecure from time to time. I'm gonna attempt other sites MAYBE and browse new PCs.
SM YOU THINK YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK?
WELL STEP ASIDE BITCHES, BECAUSE I GIVE THE LOWEST
AMOUNT OF FUCK HUMANLY POSSIBLE.
that's a lie.
I'm pissed.
freyasnecklace
03-03-2016, 12:07 PM
Hey hot chicks...Get off SM so I can make some money :P
DelishIrish
03-03-2016, 12:15 PM
Agree with you girls 100%. SM traffic seemed to be so much better [for me] back in 2014 WTF. I've been lucky to have one EXC today.
RaeRae, U mean additional server of SM? Can u elaborate pls? So i connect to a specific server that is infected?!
RaeRae
03-03-2016, 12:25 PM
RaeRae, U mean additional server? Can u elaborate pls? So i connect to a specific server that is infected?!
That address isn't a streamate address at all. At first I thought maybe it was an ad server that was compromised, but SM doesn't have any ads on it that I see when I turn off my AdBlock extensions on my browsers. As such, I wonder if you have third party software or other malware on your machine that's trying to direct you to the link that appears in that threat blocked message in a popup or something.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-03-2016, 12:47 PM
See this now pls, also the zoom in to read the thing for the people who knows what it means, the threat picture is for the 2nd message i got from my antivirus (see is message 2of2 there, the 1st one i had no time to read cause it went by too fast then the window went off the screen (still learning this new antivirus lol).
I also get a voice loud message when there is a threat, have to disable this cause members can hear it too lol.
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Is it normal for that particular program to speak when a detection is made? I've only run into that sort of thing when I had malware on my computer. A screen will pop up and say warning this computer is infected. In order to remove this virus call this phone number or click the link.
Have you downloaded any new software? Or maybe you logged into phishing site
RaeRae
03-03-2016, 12:50 PM
Is it normal for that particular program to speak when a detection is made? I've only run into that sort of thing when I had malware on my computer. A screen will pop up and say warning this computer is infected. In order to remove this virus call this phone number or click the link.
Have you downloaded any new software? Or maybe you logged into phishing site
Oh yeah, Avast is loud as fuck when it detects something if you don't turn that setting off. I think it used do it on updates, but I don't remember for sure as I turn off all sounds the second I install on new computers.
Now i wish to understand what this is, a trojan on SM???!!
I wanted to check my placement & got this pop-up window from my antivirus, what??!!
I dont see the number of models on site and every time i wanna look up site my antivirus is showing me this message no matter the browser i use, chrome, mozilla.
Anyone else?!
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Looking in my Quarantine folder i see all the entries again. Now seriously, what is this?
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Ok here on 29th it happened the 1st time, see the pics, i was not downloading anything at all, not changing things here, NOTHING!
Then i had my windows reinstalled and the tech guy installed this new antivirus for me, i again got alerts when going to sm.com
WTF? Why?
Only Local Disk D remained from my old system and 'funny' thing is, i lost all my pics and things i saved in D while other shit i deleted/uninstalled from disk C drive came back on D drive, i asked the tech guy what happened and he said he did not touch D drive at all only C for the windows install.
Means i am infected even before install? But my PC turned clean after i scanned it as both firewalls blocked/ blocks the threat.
Who wanted to infect me then cause this situation happens only when i access streamate.com??!!
I freak out here cause i dont need this now when i just upgraded my system and going to start camming on a clean system!?!
ETA: Scanning again including D drive, let's see what it shows uggghhh
EllieGold
03-03-2016, 02:30 PM
almost 2000 models online... omg wtf. Ok maybe now that explains a lot.
LolaInParadise
03-03-2016, 03:11 PM
almost 2000 models online... omg wtf. Ok maybe now that explains a lot.
SM is such a waste of time... only thing I do there is a SPYCAM Gold Show now for 2 hours at a time and let those freeloaders watch me do shows on other sites, you know, where people actually do shows... I also make it clear that I don't see any text when in a spycam, hence the word SPYCAM LOL... and they keep coming back time and time again so I guess they like it.
SamanthaSugar
03-03-2016, 03:11 PM
and its slow as fuck!! 1 dude in my room, I think we're having a staring contest
SM is not loading at all? streamate.com i mean
ETA:, ok, my scan shows a threat found on D drive from a game i played here, nothing more than this and i did an in depth complete scan that took a good while.
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BUT!!! Going on streamate.com still gives an alert from my antivirus, see this:
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I think they are attacked cause few secs after this i could not load streamate.com anymore nor able to go live on cam cause "system error".
Again??!! NOOO NOOOO THIS CANT BE!
Anyone has problems or is just me?? I can load streamate.com on my phone but not on my pc, i see 1900+ girls online on sm now accesing from phone
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-03-2016, 04:01 PM
Kat go into your control panel. YOu can get their easily by typing "uninstall programs" when you right click the Windows Icoon. On the bottom left hand of your screen. You can even type it into search. Once you get to Programs>>Uninstall Programs
there should be 4 colums. Im using Windows 10 and have forgotten how Vista works. But look for the column that has "Installed On" click on it and it should give you the latest programs installed. Look to see if there is anything suspicious. Go down the entire list and if its something suspicious then delete it. It's not always in chronological order. But starting with the most recent date can help.
And then creating a restore point may help. Im just throwing things out there cuz I dont know whats going on. Oh and if you are in a bind and need to work right away...Creating a second desktop can help. But you may have to download all your software again on the new desktop. And for this reason I now on my new system give permissions to all accounts in case something like this happens. Like the encoder,splitcam software, logitech or whatever. I loved loved loved windows7 because I had the FBI virus and nothing worked. But then i remembered I had multiple desktops set up and I was able to go into the back up and get software to rid my system of the virus without doing a system restore. Im gonna stop here. I may have gone too far.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-03-2016, 04:06 PM
Also Kat who told you to get that software? And where did you get the download? Sometimes they have so much crap included in the download and sites like CNET have gone down hill. No one is trusted unless it comes from the actual site.
Also Kat who told you to get that software? And where did you get the download? Sometimes they have so much crap included in the download and sites like CNET have gone down hill. No one is trusted unless it comes from the actual site.
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Ok, here are the programs installed onto my computer on a windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit system, this is the only PC i have to work with.
The tech guy i went to with my pc installed the windows and some programs including avast.
I highlighted in yellow in this picture the programs i installed myself after i came home with the pc, the software i need for work.
I dont see anything suspicious in the list?! Son came home drunk and he was babbling stuff here and was not able to help, he just said "take off the avast and look for an eset on the internet, i go to sleep".
Is middle of the night here now & i need to get ready for work.
After i could not access sm anymore i downloaded eset antivirus from the internet and installed it, also disabled the avast antivirus.
Now i can access sm with avast OFF. Eset found nothing wrong here, i scanned with eset just in between.
Thank you soo much PhatGirlD!!
God, this is difficult!!
ETA: uninstalled avast and running with eset now, will sort things out tmrw, son blabbed how antivirus companies are shady then he buggered off. Going to get ready for work, tired already from these all :(
ETA2:
Now only if i could sit at the pc and work but i cant anymore after i sat here for hrs troubleshooting, my back is killing me, going to take a pain killer pill and lay down a couple hrs and try later on.
Good luck everyone and ty for being here for me xxx, hugs!
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-03-2016, 06:31 PM
Kat from what Im looking at you should remove the
Avast Free antivirus (Just to be sure)
Eset Nod32 Antivirus
Fastone image view
And I wanna say that K-Lite Codec Pac should go away too.
Do all of that and then go online. If you get the same result then do a restore date
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-03-2016, 06:36 PM
I'm just gonna put this out there but I don't use Antivirus software. I have something installed but I don't use it. I used to but I realized that I don't visit suspicious websites and I also pay attention to the browser when I do my searches. I just have the bare minimum that comes with windows:Defender and that's it.
^^^ Right, the Eset antivirus i need cause i download games from the internet (from torrents) so i need to make sure i dont get infected games.
The Fastone image view i need for my picture editing.
The Avast antivirus i uninstalled already (i updated my last message that i did).
The K-Lite Codec Pac can go too, what is it, a set of video codes or so, right?
The games are helping me relax & enjoy life here so i'll keep playing (with moderation) lol.
Thank You!!
xCamLovex
03-03-2016, 07:26 PM
literally everyone stopped talking around 5:30pst tonight. what is going on...? oh yes the republican presidential debate. THAT IS WHY IT IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. I'm out...going to eat pizza and worship the cat.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
03-03-2016, 07:41 PM
^^^ Right, the Eset antivirus i need cause i download games from the internet (from torrents) so i need to make sure i dont get infected games.
The Fastone image view i need for my picture editing.
The Avast antivirus i uninstalled already (i updated my last message that i did).
The K-Lite Codec Pac can go too, what is it, a set of video codes or so, right?
The games are helping me relax & enjoy life here so i'll keep playing (with moderation) lol.
Thank You!!
The games could be were the problem is? Whenever you download free stuff threes almost always something else attached. Maybe you got a bad download? Free up some space on your current system and or do a restore date. If you wanna play games maybe a get a tablet?
^^^ I did not download any game recently but yes, it's risky when u pull free stuff from the internet.
Not sure what caused my issues as my new system is just 3 days old now, windows was installed on the 2th of march then i installed stuff on 2th-3th & tonite the eset that it shows as 4th cause my time zone, u see the date there in the print screen.
But i had the problems starting 29th of february so not sure what was the issue and the only bad things came from SM, the trojan & the other stuff, all documented with print screens. Never before i had issues like this to get infected while accessing SM.
Will sort things out here in the morning.
Going to buy a tablet asap and keep the system for work only. On my way going to make some money on cam now so i can buy what i need here ;)
Hugs & many kisses xxx
EllieGold
03-03-2016, 08:00 PM
Not sure if this will help but on my old computer a few weeks earlier I got warnings about SM Broadcaster, basically saying it was suspicious. Hrmmm...
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Speaking about SMB & calibration, i just remembered to try to install the thing again, today before i got the rams it was not working, it installed but was not launching & it blocked my pc completely, now that i put in 8 gb ram in total this bloody thing installed, launched and calibrated at these parameters. But why soo fucked up parameters? They want us to use our resources to the last drop (system resources & connection) so we cant cam on another site(s) at all? I mean ok, we cant splitcam with the SMB but we can connect a 2nd camera to work with on the same system if strong enough, right?!
My conclusion: the SMB will not work on a win 7 if u dont have at least 8gb ram, not sure about the other operating systems.
Oh btw, for the ones who are verified cam models, u may want to check the group more often maybe? ;)
gingerkhaleesi
03-03-2016, 10:19 PM
okay... i'm two hours into my very first cam show, ever, on SM... i've had four guys come in and stay to talk, no tips, ONE paid for exclusive for two minutes, and now i'm staring at an empty room again. i've made five dollars in two hours! what the fuck! is this awful traffic happening to everyone? is it my fault? uggghh, i was so excited to make money cam girling, this is such a horrible start.
heyho
03-03-2016, 10:27 PM
okay... i'm two hours into my very first cam show, ever, on SM... i've had four guys come in and stay to talk, no tips, ONE paid for exclusive for two minutes, and now i'm staring at an empty room again. i've made five dollars in two hours! what the fuck! is this awful traffic happening to everyone? is it my fault? uggghh, i was so excited to make money cam girling, this is such a horrible start.
Pretty sure everyone's first day was horrible. I made $17 on mine. Your placement will be pretty shitty until you get a few 5-star ratings going, so not a lot of guys are stumbling across your room right noe. Just persevere, it WILL get better.
Hxchayley
03-03-2016, 10:49 PM
You're not alone, that's precisely why I'm not even putting myself through that tonight. Taking a break, having some shit with the Internet replaced tomorrow in another sad pathetic attempt to "find the problem." If it's not at LEAST a LITTLE better, I will be throwing on the frilly dress and start egg hunting.
JaneBurgess
03-03-2016, 11:01 PM
Where the fuck is their traffic coming from? So many incest guys on there now it's disgusting. It was bad enough so many of these guys think it's a dating site but now you add all the incest guys and its fucked up. I wish they would go back to buying good traffic, where guys weren't tricked into thinking it was a dating or free site.
Hxchayley
03-03-2016, 11:15 PM
Where the fuck is their traffic coming from? So many incest guys on there now it's disgusting. It was bad enough so many of these guys think it's a dating site but now you add all the incest guys and its fucked up. I wish they would go back to buying good traffic, where guys weren't tricked into thinking it was a dating or free site.
It know!! A guy with the name "TabooRoleplay" came in my
room and said "Hey baby sister!" I just immediately banned him.
JaneBurgess
03-03-2016, 11:29 PM
It know!! A guy with the name "TabooRoleplay" came in my
room and said "Hey baby sister!" I just immediately banned him.
Ugh I see those guys every night. I think I am going to try out days and later afternoons. These night fuckers are becoming to fucked up for me.
Ok, for the people who have problems with the HD720 settings and/or SM broadcaster:
You really need 8Gb ram to make the system run at 720p properly.
The rams are also needed to run SM broadcaster properly, at 1st it calibrated at that crazy resolution but then i picked the right resolution from the list, had plenty of good light and RECALIBRATED & got the High pic quality and 1280x720 resolution. Saved the settings, all good now.
Looked at myself on site & i move great, no more freezing, no nothing.
All is sorted out now, CAN YOU GUYS BELIEVE I AM IN AWE? regarding my system at least :)
Now let's see what can be done about camming on SM, splitting, whatever i feel like doing.
Thank You!! all the people that helped me thorough the upgrade process, who helped me figure out things and helped me with all the issues i had here, I AM SOO HAPPY NOW!!!
If anyone needs my input and am able to help u guys here pls feel free to ask, the info i have will be shared w.o any hesitation to anyone who needs it.
Hugs & Much love to all the people in here, without u i would not be here now saying i am happy!
God bless!
christylive
03-03-2016, 11:54 PM
Talk about a shift from HELL. Encoder wouldn't let me stream for 2 minutes each time without going all psycho on me. After 20+ attempts I said to hell with it and went old fashion Using the built in crapola and now I can stream for 5 minutes at a time. Thankfully I had a sweetheart custie who kept coming back to complete a 30 minute exclusive block. And also another sweetheart regular tipped big out of pity. I'm so over this constant battle. These guys love us and WANT TO SPEND but they CAN'T so they go elsewhere. A year of this shit almost constantly. I have almost no fight left in me. I swear I'm aging 30 years per shift. Smh
SnoviaTerror
03-04-2016, 12:14 AM
Talk about a shift from HELL. Encoder wouldn't let me stream for 2 minutes each time without going all psycho on me. After 20+ attempts I said to hell with it and went old fashion Using the built in crapola and now I can stream for 5 minutes at a time. Thankfully I had a sweetheart custie who kept coming back to complete a 30 minute exclusive block. And also another sweetheart regular tipped big out of pity. I'm so over this constant battle. These guys love us and WANT TO SPEND but they CAN'T so they go elsewhere. A year of this shit almost constantly. I have almost no fight left in me. I swear I'm aging 30 years per shift. Smh
I'm having the same issue. It's weird because my roomie is camming on SM too and not having issues at all. FML
christylive
03-04-2016, 12:18 AM
I'm having the same issue. It's weird because my roomie is camming on SM too and not having issues at all. FML
I live right on a tranny track. I'm about to shove my biggest dildo in my pants and walk the street. I'd rather go back to hooking >.<
heyho
03-04-2016, 12:34 AM
Wow traffic is SHIT today. The quality of custies is just astounding. I had one guy say "roleplay daddy teaching daughter about puberty?" and one guy say "mommy? what are you doing here?? please punish meI'm a naughty son" at the same damn time. And 5 million "gold show bb?"s.
Lowest % paid chat I've had all year so far. No technical problems, but really ladies you're not missing out on much tonight.
SnoviaTerror
03-04-2016, 01:44 AM
UGH! Just got done with a 3 hour shift filled with glitches. Finally was able to stream using the old school built in HD. But got booted from a pvt a few times. Thank the universe he kept coming back and gave me a 5 star rating. Woo! That and a 2 minute exclusive were my only pvts so I finished with a whopping $20 Thanks to Mistress X for helping tonight. :)
BadBitch
03-04-2016, 08:28 AM
Will SM EVER tell us what happened with Streamageddon the other day? Or will they just ignore us like they normally do? Will they just keep throwing contests at us hoping that we will hustle to make them more money? Fuck that. Fuck SM. Fuck your glitches. Fuck your rudeness. Fuck your favoritism. Fuck you for blaming our computers. Fuck your no traffic. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.
xCamLovex
03-04-2016, 09:03 AM
Will SM EVER tell us what happened with Streamageddon the other day? Or will they just ignore us like they normally do? Will they just keep throwing contests at us hoping that we will hustle to make them more money? Fuck that. Fuck SM. Fuck your glitches. Fuck your rudeness. Fuck your favoritism. Fuck you for blaming our computers. Fuck your no traffic. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you.
They'll tell you to restart your computer. :)
Hxchayley
03-04-2016, 09:13 AM
And as of the past couple days and nights it looks like 1700 is the average of models online no matter what time a days. 1600 was the lowest last night hit. This is madness. And honestly makes me feel like my 1-2 day break might turn into a week. Thank God husband has a job too of I'd have to lose my mind booting time wasters and crying about the money spenders being disconnected, and always the spenders who get disconnected. But the guy who has no intention on taking me private and has been chatting me up in free chat for an hour has "no problems here." Fuck.
anonymous camgirl
03-04-2016, 09:43 AM
Holy Fuck!.. been on SM for 20 mins and they are all either trolls or freeloaders!.. what gives?
xCamLovex
03-04-2016, 09:45 AM
When streamate goes silent and your rtt starts dropping and placement is wacky customers no where to be seen and you're being verbally violated by incest dirtbags I BOW OUT GRACEFULLY. For my sanity but also not tolerating The state of the site. It's kind of like a nonverbal "SM I'm not working under these conditions" flag. I'd rather make up the difference on a few other sites than put it all on SM and wanna shoot myself trying to make an extra $120.