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MsJess
05-24-2016, 09:26 PM
Hell no, I offer solo videos but minimum is $15 for a short one say 3-4 mins. SM needs to think about this; why is everybody selling videos this way? wouldn't be more profitable if they added a video store for us? or are they lazy to check every damn video there to follow up the rules? hmm We need to teach our customers the value of our work girls, why sell 2 cents videos? geez
audritwo
05-24-2016, 09:28 PM
I haven't notice a dip in traffic. I've been making my goals just fine. I was able to make $250 the two hours I was able to work tonight before my period happened.
Issabelle
05-24-2016, 09:32 PM
Yeah, my traffic's fine. Standard composition of trolls, freeloaders, and spenders over the course of a shift. Some shitty hours. Some really baller hours. Glitch levels jumped a bit during SMbroadcaster 14 release, but back to normal glitch tolerance level within a few hours. Income is in line with my normal hourly for this time of year.
No major traffic complaints here.
MsJess
05-24-2016, 09:32 PM
I have noticed that girls on the top 3 rows of the site get tons of traffic, been there myself, also been there getting tv spot gold shows, but once you hit the botton and 2nd page, it's dead, believe me, it's a lower chance to fish new customers, you depend mostly of guys who have you in favorites.
SimoneGray
05-24-2016, 09:32 PM
what Audri said. So have I. But here's the thing I've noticed...consistency is key. If I don't put in at least 4-6hrs a day for at least 5 days a week, then yes, my money is rubbish and so is my traffic and so is my hourly.
If I were to rage quit or log off every time I thought things were slow I would never get to the point where I could make money. It took about 6 months of $15-$25 hrs before I saw a huge improvement in my earnings, but then it snowballed.
Also I'm not a top model and up until very recently was streaming with an Intel Celeron processor and an upload speed of 3mps but was still making good money due to hours and consistency, working rain or shine no matter what. I was on page 2 and for all I know might still be but I made money. It can be done if you are really dedicated to it.
MsJess
05-24-2016, 09:35 PM
consistency is key.
This...
CocoLoca
05-24-2016, 09:39 PM
Yeah I have to agree with others I have had good night on cam even after super shit period after smb release. I am in row 1 and sometimes I get HOURS with 1-2 ppl poppin in and out. SRSLY trust me placement aint shit, dont check it dont worry about it and slay. Imagine the girls you cant see bc they are 70%+ in paid chat ....
CocoLoca
05-24-2016, 09:41 PM
I have noticed that girls on the top 3 rows of the site get tons of traffic, been there myself, also been there getting tv spot gold shows, but once you hit the botton and 2nd page, it's dead, believe me, it's a lower chance to fish new customers, you depend mostly of guys who have you in favorites.
well honestly i do see regular 80/20 rule ... 80% new custies and 80% income from 20% of custies, just stay long enough so they can find yo ass ;) and yea THAT aint easy
Issabelle
05-24-2016, 09:41 PM
People blame their placement for slow shifts and low income like it's something they have no control over.
Real talk: bullshit.
The placement algorithm isn't rigged. If you show up 25+ hours/week, have the recommended tech specs, run the recommended encoder settings, and have the right net, you will eventually move to the top portions of page one. Earnings determine the final shake out of that top page placement, but meeting all the requirements gets you to the top half. Period.
I hear too many people who say 'if only I were in the top few rows, I'd make money!' like it's a valid excuse.
It's not.
You control your placement, full stop.
'But I work 50 hours and never move!' Then your tech isn't right. 'But my tech is right and I never move!' Then your net isn't right. 'But I have all of that and I never move!' Then you haven't been doing all the consistent things long enough yet and need to be patient. 'But I have been patient and I never move!' Then you've missed something somewhere, and you need to look at it again.
I'm not going to kid glove this crap anymore. It doesn't serve anyone to do it like that.
If you want to be higher in the rankings, put in the consistent work and technology requirements.
You're all damned right that the traffic on page two is subpar to the traffic on page one. You're damned right that there are more cheapos, freeloaders, and trolls the further down the rankings you get--they've already worked through the upper pages. You're damned right that more people spend on page one then page two, because they saw something they liked on page one before they got to page two. That's all basic law of averages.
Pretending you don't have full, complete, 100% control over your own placement--that's the fallacy.
veronica_f
05-24-2016, 09:53 PM
I dont want to be a complainer - but the traffic (or lack of) on SM is ridiculous. WTF - this is getting ridiculously stupid and I swear the traffic is only getting worse by the day. I've sat here for 2.5 hours, made a whopping $3. The type of clients seem to be getting worse too - the only guys who actually do come around either say nothing at all, are in and out in less than 3 seconds or want something for nothing. I don't know what has happened in this last week or so. But is pretty pathetic. The fact that I'm online now and having free time to type this long post...! I thought maybe the new SM Broadcaster update would help, but of course not.
audritwo
05-24-2016, 10:00 PM
If Streamate isn't bringing in the traffic you expect, work on your social media marketing. You can bring in your own traffic.
MsJess
05-24-2016, 10:03 PM
or hang in there until you get noticed, maybe if you are fairly new you do not have a fan base yet...
Or improve your settings, or... or...
Issabelle
05-24-2016, 10:09 PM
or hang in there until you get noticed, maybe if you are fairly new you do not have a fan base yet...
Or improve your settings, or... or...
I mean, a fan base helps certainly, but every set of numbers I've run for myself and heard from other models says that at 50-60% of our income comes from a) first time customers or b) infrequent spenders who tip too randomly to be called regs. If more than half of your sales come from non-fans, then it would behoove you to focus on getting the placement to increase your exposure for new guys. And I'm speaking in the 'royal' you, not towards you specifically MsJess, to be clear.
It all goes back in the same circle--hours, tech, consistency, hustle, repeat.
There will never be more models online than dudes on earth with boners looking to spend some cash to get off. The odds are already in the favor of models. If you don't like the traffic you currently have, learn the proper techniques for cultivating new venues. Seriously--look at what the top dogs of social media--camgirls and otherwise--do and you'll quickly realize it's a job into itself, but it pays dividends and the information on how to do it is public knowledge.
Knowledge is free and plentiful. Only missing ingredient for success--point blank--is elbow grease to sort through and implement.
audritwo
05-24-2016, 10:11 PM
Consistency is key. Even if it sucks, just stay on. Get off SW. Pay 100% to your room. Greet every muther fucker that comes in. Stand up, be a little teasy. You never know when a custie who has intentions of spending shows up, and you want to be ready for them.
<3
I wish everyone happy $$$ making.
MsJess
05-24-2016, 10:18 PM
Maybe that's how i deal with streamate allways try to get the custies to become regulars and not depending only of new guys who just tip $50 once and then dissapear, also, Thanks for your input Issabelle, been on this industry since 2005 and i am still learning, though idk if what you are saying is for me only, but lately my room it's been full and can't complain anymore. Just that i think most of us here would love to hit the high goal in a few hours and that's just with hard work like you mention, ain't that easy yes, but is reachable!
Missjayne77
05-24-2016, 11:22 PM
I've been on for 3 hours today on PAGE 6!! and still made my goal of $100. (Thats only on SM, I worked 3 days ago and earnt $150 in 3 hours, so this is normal)
Maybe you should mix up your hustle or tease more? It's not streamates fault ALL the time. I don't care about placement because I work odd hours and not enough, so I'm not going to complain about being on Page 6 when I'm the one who hasn't put the time in. (I also can't be bothered with that encoder shit, so I select Cable Stream)
I do make sure I wear bright colours, I'm always moving, either dancing upright or swaying on my side or running my hands up and down my legs, CONSTANTLY moving... I smile right at the camera, laugh, bite my lip directly at the camera and have a good time, Always greet and ask people how their day/night is going so far. It works a treat for me, but each person has their own thing.
Edited to add I split with 2 other sites, and so I'm always talking and having conversations and I think that helps a lot. I get asked a LOT for JOI because of my voice.
Horny
05-24-2016, 11:28 PM
I been on for 3 hours today on PAGE 6!! and still made my goal of $100.
Maybe you should mix up your hussle or tease more? It's not streamates fault ALL the time. I don't care about placement because I work odd hours and not enough, so I'm not going to complain about being on Page 6 when I'm the one who hasn't put the time in. (I also can't be bothered with that encoder shit, so I use select Cable Stream)
I do make sure I wear bright colours, I'm always moving, either dancing upright or swaying on my side or running my hands up and down my legs, CONSTANTLY moving... I smile right at the camera, laugh, bite my lip directly at the camera and have a good time, Always greet and ask people how their day/night is going so far. It works a treat for me, but each person has their own thing.
Me too to be honest. Monday I was in a rubbish mood and it was my fault I made like $26! Yesterday I was on 3 hours and made $99.10. I do the same thing smile chat to EVERYONE no matter how annoying and it does pay off I'm worse than page 6! On days when I type and ignore them I get nowhere. It's exhausting but it really does make the difference. It's all about frame of mind for me. I'm only on three days a week for a maximum of 16 hours but I do ok. Would be interesting to see if more hours would help my rate but I average between 20-25 an hour always sometimes better. I guess it depends what you are happy with but for me with the limited time and only 2 regulars so far I'm quite happy with that.
Missjayne77
05-24-2016, 11:28 PM
The odds are already in the favor of models. hahaha Omg I cracked up when I read this, may the odds be ever in your favour.....
Missjayne77
05-24-2016, 11:33 PM
Me too to be honest. Monday I was in a rubbish mood and it was my fault I made like $26! Yesterday I was on 3 hours and made $99.10. I do the same thing smile chat to EVERYONE no matter how annoying and it does pay off I'm worse than page 6! On days when I type and ignore them I get nowhere. It's exhausting but it really does make the difference. It's all about frame of mind for me. I'm only on three days a week for a maximum of 16 hours but I do ok. Would be interesting to see if more hours would help my rate but I average between 20-25 an hour always sometimes better. I guess it depends what you are happy with but for me with the limited time and only 2 regulars so far I'm quite happy with that.
It is sooooo exhausting! But it's the difference between $5 and $100. I can't work all hours because I'm a Mum, I barely get on 3 hours, 4 days a week. I set aside 1 day a week for filming clips.
xCamLovex
05-25-2016, 12:38 AM
Consistency is key. Even if it sucks, just stay on. Get off SW. Pay 100% to your room. Greet every muther fucker that comes in. Stand up, be a little teasy. You never know when a custie who has intentions of spending shows up, and you want to be ready for them.
<3
I wish everyone happy $$$ making.
yes. i'm liking my room so much better since i've been driving my own traffic. so true audri so true!!!!
BustyVixen
05-25-2016, 06:20 AM
^^^ Adapt how, copy what they do? No way i am doing that, i'll adapt by leaving the site eventually.
No I didn't mean that, just meant that the site is different than it once was
BustyVixen
05-25-2016, 06:28 AM
Consistency is key. Even if it sucks, just stay on. Get off SW. Pay 100% to your room. Greet every muther fucker that comes in. Stand up, be a little teasy. You never know when a custie who has intentions of spending shows up, and you want to be ready for them.
<3
I wish everyone happy $$$ making.
Yes, staying on! I can't tell you how often I have a slow hour towards the end of my shift and I'm about ready to log off early, I get a block exclusive or something that makes me some good money. I feel like the slow hours are a lot slower than they used to be for me, I never used to have an hour go by where I made like $20. But I do now and most of the time if I can just stay on, I have a kick ass hour that averages everything out. It's a mind fuck sometimes, this job!
EllieGold
05-25-2016, 08:19 AM
Hate to be the middle man here, but I agree with both sides on this. I'm not a top model there so my income has been changed there. I do need to be more consistent with my hours so I can build a good following again. However, this site is crap! Seriously ladies. We deserve to be treated better than this from Streamate. WE the models are their bread & butter. We should be a valued asset of theirs. After all we lose 65% to pay them & their affiliates. We help build them by bringing our traffic as well! Sorry if you consider me negative here, I just had to say it. If they fixed their glitches maybe it's worth it again.
If you think about it, this site causes so many up & down moods. One day it's crap, the next it's great. (It's expected with camming altogether). I'm sick of exhausting my emotions just to keep an income going. I will be adding 10 other eggs in the meantime because this site is so unpredictable.
oCURIOUSo
05-25-2016, 08:51 AM
I haven't notice a dip in traffic. I've been making my goals just fine. I was able to make $250 the two hours I was able to work tonight before my period happened.
Same. If anything my traffic has been better lately.
This is my 4th year on SM and every year models say "this is the worst year on SM ever" and "Well it's summer so traffic is bad right now." or "Well it's the holidays, or post holiday season, tax season, spring break, grandparents day" whatever. There's always an excuse for why traffic is bad. But literally, every single year when people start saying "SM/the industry is dying!" I put in my 40 hours and I make my goal. EVERY SINGLE TIME. There are slow days here and there. Everyone has them. But SM isn't dying, the industry isn't dying, and we're not all going to be homeless soon unless we all choose not to work. Logging off because it's slow only ensures you're not going to get paid. If SM's traffic is the whole problem, you can always move to CB or MFC and do public shows. You can literally have thousands of people in your room at a time.
EllieGold
05-25-2016, 08:58 AM
For me, it's not the traffic as much as it is the tech problems. Lots of disconnects and people can't see me in private. I have not noticed less traffic as much as these issues mainly. I have a whitelabel myself, so I know people are still spending. :)
Glamourmilf
05-25-2016, 09:20 AM
People blame their placement for slow shifts and low income like it's something they have no control over.
Real talk: bullshit.
The placement algorithm isn't rigged.
If you want to be higher in the rankings, put in the consistent work and technology requirements.
You're all damned right that the traffic on page two is subpar to the traffic on page one. You're damned right that there are more cheapos, freeloaders, and trolls the further down the rankings you get--they've already worked through the upper pages. You're damned right that more people spend on page one then page two, because they saw something they liked on page one before they got to page two. That's all basic law of averages.
Pretending you don't have full, complete, 100% control over your own placement--that's the fallacy.
This I know firsthand. My sound wasn't working one day last week. So I turned on my netbook, with Windows XP, built-in webcam, no encoder, just to see if it was me or SM.
Sound worked fine. But not having the 'tech' specs dropped me down to God knows what page, and ALL the same non-paying screen names came piling in, JUST like they did when I used those specs 6 years ago when I started camming.(I have a photographic memory,so that's how I remembered their names).
If anyone is way down in placement, I can send you screen shots.
My regs came in, but didn't stay.
*Although, at my busiest times, I can use those specs, and make bank.
anonymous camgirl
05-25-2016, 09:40 AM
Being in the top few rows doesn't always make you money.. been there, done that.. so true Issabele!
People blame their placement for slow shifts and low income like it's something they have no control over.
Real talk: bullshit.
The placement algorithm isn't rigged. If you show up 25+ hours/week, have the recommended tech specs, run the recommended encoder settings, and have the right net, you will eventually move to the top portions of page one. Earnings determine the final shake out of that top page placement, but meeting all the requirements gets you to the top half. Period.
I hear too many people who say 'if only I were in the top few rows, I'd make money!' like it's a valid excuse.
It's not.
You control your placement, full stop.
'But I work 50 hours and never move!' Then your tech isn't right. 'But my tech is right and I never move!' Then your net isn't right. 'But I have all of that and I never move!' Then you haven't been doing all the consistent things long enough yet and need to be patient. 'But I have been patient and I never move!' Then you've missed something somewhere, and you need to look at it again.
I'm not going to kid glove this crap anymore. It doesn't serve anyone to do it like that.
If you want to be higher in the rankings, put in the consistent work and technology requirements.
You're all damned right that the traffic on page two is subpar to the traffic on page one. You're damned right that there are more cheapos, freeloaders, and trolls the further down the rankings you get--they've already worked through the upper pages. You're damned right that more people spend on page one then page two, because they saw something they liked on page one before they got to page two. That's all basic law of averages.
Pretending you don't have full, complete, 100% control over your own placement--that's the fallacy.
Issabelle
05-25-2016, 10:14 AM
Being in the top few rows doesn't always make you money.. been there, done that.. so true Issabelle!
Yeah, there's definitely an unfounded belief that once you just 'get to the top,' the money will flow in without ebb, flow, or wave forever. And, yeah, I'm not going to pretend that I don't make more in the top row or two of SM then I did when I was on page 2-3-4-whatever--because that would be a bald-faced lie if ever there was one--but it's also not a magical cure all.
Example: my last shift, I made $13 in 2 hours. The shift prior, I made nearly $500 in just shy of 6 hours. My placement didn't change--traffic wave changed, temporarily.
Weirdly enough, for all that dudes seem to be horny 24/7, they do occasionally seem to be doing other shit en masse. Sleeping, I guess. Eating nachos. Whatever, point is--sometimes it sucks for no apparent reason and sometimes it rocks for no apparent reason, yes. And sometimes the glitches are worse than usual, or better than usual. Or there are a ton of other models online reeling in the traffic more successfully. Or the customers are all broke. Or it's not your usual shift time. Or you're feeling off your game. Or literally anything that's throwing off the average.
Best solution for getting your average back to normal is to increase your time online. Actually, it's the only solution, but for some reason a lot of people are totally convinced I'm lying when I use terms that absolute.
But seriously--I've been running anal retentive number analytics since I started camming almost three years ago and I can personally confirm that a) camming is not dying, b) SM is not dying, and c) nothing is more than 5% away from normal standards if the hours are where they should be.
So, yeah, consistency is still king. Always.
Marina Starr
05-25-2016, 10:20 AM
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audritwo
05-25-2016, 11:56 AM
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Be yourself, bitch. Step your pussy up, honey. Get a job. Own a business. Suck a dick.
^words to live by.
xCamLovex
05-25-2016, 12:40 PM
Working on your own traffic is so rewarding. It does work and I've had enjoyable shifts lately bc I'm arranging my outcome. Yeah I might rant like fuck on here but that's bc I know I can do better than an average joe trying to use us to make a commission. I work longer arranging my ducks but once I get online.... Bliss.
avalon_rose
05-25-2016, 12:57 PM
Yeah, there's definitely an unfounded belief that once you just 'get to the top,' the money will flow in without ebb, flow, or wave forever. And, yeah, I'm not going to pretend that I don't make more in the top row or two of SM then I did when I was on page 2-3-4-whatever--because that would be a bald-faced lie if ever there was one--but it's also not a magical cure all.
Example: my last shift, I made $13 in 2 hours. The shift prior, I made nearly $500 in just shy of 6 hours. My placement didn't change--traffic wave changed, temporarily.
Weirdly enough, for all that dudes seem to be horny 24/7, they do occasionally seem to be doing other shit en masse. Sleeping, I guess. Eating nachos. Whatever, point is--sometimes it sucks for no apparent reason and sometimes it rocks for no apparent reason, yes. And sometimes the glitches are worse than usual, or better than usual. Or there are a ton of other models online reeling in the traffic more successfully. Or the customers are all broke. Or it's not your usual shift time. Or you're feeling off your game. Or literally anything that's throwing off the average.
Best solution for getting your average back to normal is to increase your time online. Actually, it's the only solution, but for some reason a lot of people are totally convinced I'm lying when I use terms that absolute.
But seriously--I've been running anal retentive number analytics since I started camming almost three years ago and I can personally confirm that a) camming is not dying, b) SM is not dying, and c) nothing is more than 5% away from normal standards if the hours are where they should be.
So, yeah, consistency is still king. Always.
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FreakyFranky
05-25-2016, 01:14 PM
Some of you ladies mentioned driving your own traffic. Is there anyone that can link me to some threads here that go into how to do that effectively? I post on twitter but I feel it doesn't EVER bring me traffic. As for my traffic on SM, the worst part for me is I havent been on there in forever so its like starting from the bottom for me, so I have no traffic, and I'm on page 2 using the HD widescreen built in encoder setting with comcast broadband, but all I get are people that come in and out without saying anything.
Its gonna be shitty sitting there for hours on end but I suppose that's the only way I'm going to build up a fanbase again.
If the only thing we havent tried at this point is more hours, then can we really say the traffic is bad if we haven't exhausted every avenue at our disposal?
cutiecam
05-25-2016, 01:59 PM
Some of you ladies mentioned driving your own traffic. Is there anyone that can link me to some threads here that go into how to do that effectively? I post on twitter but I feel it doesn't EVER bring me traffic. As for my traffic on SM, the worst part for me is I havent been on there in forever so its like starting from the bottom for me, so I have no traffic, and I'm on page 2 using the HD widescreen built in encoder setting with comcast broadband, but all I get are people that come in and out without saying anything.
Its gonna be shitty sitting there for hours on end but I suppose that's the only way I'm going to build up a fanbase again.
If the only thing we havent tried at this point is more hours, then can we really say the traffic is bad if we haven't exhausted every avenue at our disposal?
Twitter did nothing for me. I may be doing it all wrong, because some ladies here kick ass at marketing. I took my cammodel link to other sites like backdoorexpress and adultspace. They're bringing me a good 50-100 extra per week.
JaneBurgess
05-25-2016, 02:42 PM
If you want real talk let's do it. Many that are hitting their goals are doing Gold shows, which we all dont do. Gold shows tend to draw in the cheap guys that wont pay the per rate minute of private and exclusive. Why should they when you have performers willing to do sex shows for 0-5 bucks a person and give them freebies like 100 video's as well. Add that in with the performers that are topless and grinding on their dildos in free chat. Perhaps instead of telling people to work on their hustle you should work on your business skills. Cheap and free never work out well in the long run. It's a one trick pony.
So you are talking about two very different group of performers when you mention traffic. Just because you dont feel the traffic shift doesnt mean it isnt happening. I also get sick of the performers that say their traffic isnt changing and they are kicking ass. The next day they are begging their customers on social media to send them funds via PP or Google Wallet because they are broke and have to pay their bills. Either you arent doing well or you are lying to clients to get more money out of them
Camming is a business, invest in yourself and your show talents. If you want to send yourself traffic you can use Twitter, FaceBook, Tumbler, a blog, YouTube channel, etc. There are a lot of places you can promote yourself at. You can also try other sites as well. SM may not be the site for you and thats ok. There may be one better suited to you that you do amazing on. Dont be afraid to step out of the box and take a chance.
Issabelle
05-25-2016, 03:01 PM
If you want real talk let's do it. Many that are hitting their goals are doing Gold shows, which we all dont do. Gold shows tend to draw in the cheap guys that wont pay the per rate minute of private and exclusive. Why should they when you have performers willing to do sex shows for 0-5 bucks a person and give them freebies like 10 video's as well. Add that in with the performers that are topless and grinding on their dildos in free chat. Perhaps instead of telling people to work on their hustle you should work on your business skills. Cheap and free never work out well in the long run. It's a one trick pony.
So you are talking about two very different group of performers when you mention traffic. Just because you dont feel the traffic shift doesnt mean it isnt happening. I also get sick of the performers that say their traffic isnt changing and they are kicking ass. The next day they are begging their customers on social media to send them funds via PP or Google Wallet because they are broke and have to pay their bills. Either you arent doing well or you are lying to clients to get more money out of them.
How does that have anything to do with what happens in your room?
I haven't done a gold show in weeks and haven't done more than a dozen of them in my entire SM career. I won't even flash my tits in free chat. My ppm rates are $6.99/$8.99. I do not offer videos on SM whatsoever. I have never begged for money on social media or openly admitted if I was broke.
Are there girls who do? Sure. But I'm not one of them and I know first hand from talking to other girls who have posted in this thread that they find the heavy gold show/cheap&plentiful vids/social media begging hurts their sales. So, I'm not lying about my success (what's the point). I'm not doing gold shows with cheap incentives (which is a personal choice). I focus on ppm at higher rates. And somehow I'm still making very good money and have good placement. I'm not an anomaly--I know girls who gave up gold shows recently and saw an increase in their income on SM.
But that's not even my point. That mentality is blaming someone else for what happens in your room. So someone next to me is charging $0 for a 30 minute Fuck All My Holes show--who cares? It doesn't effect me. The only thing that effects me is giving into the notion that what someone else does outside my room is going to trump my efforts inside my room. #StepYourPussyUp
JaneBurgess
05-25-2016, 03:03 PM
This so much. Numbers don't lie. There are more models on there than ever and I'm sure that will continue to increase just like the contests and cattiness. Gold shows completely changed the site. Attracting cheap customers who only want a deal, and some who wouldn't otherwise spend but only window shop. But then some models starting adding extras and incentives for high tips and now the customers are entitled and expect 250 videos for $1. I can't see it being much worse than that. But ever since last August with Streamgate the site hasn't been the same, and not in a good way. I was making less and less money on there, that's ultimately why I left
It cracks me up when people try to deny the traffic is done. There are professional sites that monitor the traffic of all cam sites and the traffic for SM is way down, by millions of customers. I think a huge reason is the glitches. Customers want a show then and there, they dont care what the sites excuse is. They will just go to another site and buy a show. The entitlement factor is another issue. SM would be wise to ban the giving of freebies during shows and make an actual store where performers could sell items in. It would create additional revenue for the site and performers. They should also overhaul Gold shows and make it so you have to charge at least a buck a minute. That again would be a win for both performers and the site. Cam sites should be creating new ways to make revenue, not ignoring whats going on around them.
Issabelle
05-25-2016, 03:05 PM
Twitter did nothing for me. I may be doing it all wrong, because some ladies here kick ass at marketing. I took my cammodel link to other sites like backdoorexpress and adultspace. They're bringing me a good 50-100 extra per week.
The best advice I've ever received was to go emulate a model with the kind of social media success you want. I spent months sucking at it, getting no real conversions, and no increase in followers until a friend who slays at it gave me some pointers and had me look at what she was doing personally. Girl clears thousands in passive sales from social media every week.
Super different beast from cam sites. Dudes on twitter aren't there to buy something--it's all free. The trick is to convert them to loyal fans who want to spend money, and the easiest way to learn how is by looking at successful girls. Retweeting when you're online? Nah--they aren't going to make an account/spend/care.
Issabelle
05-25-2016, 03:08 PM
It cracks me up when people try to deny the traffic is done. There are professional sites that monitor the traffic of all cam sites and the traffic for SM is way down, by millions of customers. I think a huge reason is the glitches. Customers want a show then and there, they dont care what the sites excuse is. They will just go to another site and buy a show. The entitlement factor is another issue. SM would be wise to ban the giving of freebies during shows and make an actual store where performers could sell items in. It would create additional revenue for the site and performers. They should also overhaul Gold shows and make it so you have to charge at least a buck a minute. That again would be a win for both performers and the site. Cam sites should be creating new ways to make revenue, not ignoring whats going on around them.
If that's your opinion, then you're entitled to it and I won't try to change your mind any further.
That said, I don't know why you continue to work on Streamate if things are so bad for you. It would seem like a good time to leave it altogether as many threaten to.
I don't understand why I hear from so many girls that they're 'just going to leave Streamate, it's gotten so bad,' yet I see them staying with it for months. Either it's not as bad as it's being made about to be, or...what? I know of a handful of people who have legitimately jumped ship to a new site but most have not. That baffles me. If you hate something, leave and find something you don't.
JaneBurgess
05-25-2016, 03:12 PM
How does that have anything to do with what happens in your room?
I haven't done a gold show in weeks and haven't done more than a dozen of them in my entire SM career. I won't even flash my tits in free chat. My ppm rates are $6.99/$8.99. I do not offer videos on SM whatsoever. I have never begged for money on social media or openly admitted if I was broke.
Are there girls who do? Sure. But I'm not one of them and I know first hand from talking to other girls who have posted in this thread that they find the heavy gold show/cheap&plentiful vids/social media begging hurts their sales. So, I'm not lying about my success (what's the point). I'm not doing gold shows with cheap incentives (which is a personal choice). I focus on ppm at higher rates. And somehow I'm still making very good money and have good placement. I'm not an anomaly--I know girls who gave up gold shows recently and saw an increase in their income on SM.
But that's not even my point. That mentality is blaming someone else for what happens in your room. So someone next to me is charging $0 for a 30 minute Fuck All My Holes show--who cares? It doesn't effect me. The only thing that effects me is giving into the notion that what someone else does outside my room is going to trump my efforts inside my room. #StepYourPussyUp
I hope you're kidding. I don't offer Gold shows, they just aren't my thing. So even tho I'm in classic chat I always get harassed to do Gold shows. Even I decline in a polite manner and I am bitch or a cunt because I wont cater to their wishes. Then I am asked multiple times a day why I wont sell video's like everyone else does. I just don't want to because the 35 percent for me isnt worth it. I would rather sell them on a clips store. This happens every single time I'm on there, not just occasionally.
What performers do in their room does affect other performers. So many customers now expect all of us to offer freebies or get topless for free. If you dont experience that great, but other performers do. I would be more than happy to post screenshots of this if you want to see it. I already post some on Twitter from time to time.
JaneBurgess
05-25-2016, 03:21 PM
If that's your opinion, then you're entitled to it and I won't try to change your mind any further.
That said, I don't know why you continue to work on Streamate if things are so bad for you. It would seem like a good time to leave it altogether as many threaten to.
I don't understand why I hear from so many girls that they're 'just going to leave Streamate, it's gotten so bad,' yet I see them staying with it for months. Either it's not as bad as it's being made about to be, or...what? I know of a handful of people who have legitimately jumped ship to a new site but most have not. That baffles me. If you hate something, leave and find something you don't.
It's not bad for me on there, however I also don't ignore what other performers say or the fact traffic is done. Like I said because you dont experience it doesnt mean its not true. None of these ladies have any reason to lie. If they want to post their frustrations on here let them. The site glitches are annoying and should have been fixed by now. Its been three years, so they have a right to be mad about that.
I've seen plenty of performers leave SM and they are happy on other sites. Others are working on new sites and plan to leave SM once they have a base built up on their new site. Who cares if they leave or stay, thats up to them.
Issabelle
05-25-2016, 03:39 PM
Well, we're clearly never going to agree, so I'll be exiting this thread now. You have a lovely day.
gingerstcyr
05-25-2016, 04:14 PM
If consistency is King....you are the Queen!
Yeah, there's definitely an unfounded belief that once you just 'get to the top,' the money will flow in without ebb, flow, or wave forever. And, yeah, I'm not going to pretend that I don't make more in the top row or two of SM then I did when I was on page 2-3-4-whatever--because that would be a bald-faced lie if ever there was one--but it's also not a magical cure all.
Example: my last shift, I made $13 in 2 hours. The shift prior, I made nearly $500 in just shy of 6 hours. My placement didn't change--traffic wave changed, temporarily.
Weirdly enough, for all that dudes seem to be horny 24/7, they do occasionally seem to be doing other shit en masse. Sleeping, I guess. Eating nachos. Whatever, point is--sometimes it sucks for no apparent reason and sometimes it rocks for no apparent reason, yes. And sometimes the glitches are worse than usual, or better than usual. Or there are a ton of other models online reeling in the traffic more successfully. Or the customers are all broke. Or it's not your usual shift time. Or you're feeling off your game. Or literally anything that's throwing off the average.
Best solution for getting your average back to normal is to increase your time online. Actually, it's the only solution, but for some reason a lot of people are totally convinced I'm lying when I use terms that absolute.
But seriously--I've been running anal retentive number analytics since I started camming almost three years ago and I can personally confirm that a) camming is not dying, b) SM is not dying, and c) nothing is more than 5% away from normal standards if the hours are where they should be.
So, yeah, consistency is still king. Always.
gingerstcyr
05-25-2016, 04:26 PM
The only time I try Gold Shows is when I know there are a few regulars that will try to outbid each other to run the show and my different cams. One loves the overhead and others want something else. Otherwise it is a waste of my time. Issabelle is dead on in my opinion. You have to find what works for you and then improve on it. I have looked around and find girls reading a magazine, texting, sleeping, name it. Just like a broker. You have to make the call. You either wait or you set and and drive traffic to your room. Go back through every email they have sent. Reply to every YOU"VE GOT GOLD emails. Ask where they have been. Hope they are having sexy fun. SM is an amazing tool. But it is just a one of the tools in your cam box. Learn them. Use them. Experiment with them. If you sit in an empty room open another browser and start emailing or tweeting or something. Not everybody can do this. It is fucking hard, lonely, aggravating, frustrating, and soul crushing until you make in a couple of hours what it would take you a week to earn working 40 at a regular job. That is when it really makes it all worth while. Hang in there! It will happen.
How does that have anything to do with what happens in your room?
I haven't done a gold show in weeks and haven't done more than a dozen of them in my entire SM career. I won't even flash my tits in free chat. My ppm rates are $6.99/$8.99. I do not offer videos on SM whatsoever. I have never begged for money on social media or openly admitted if I was broke.
Are there girls who do? Sure. But I'm not one of them and I know first hand from talking to other girls who have posted in this thread that they find the heavy gold show/cheap&plentiful vids/social media begging hurts their sales. So, I'm not lying about my success (what's the point). I'm not doing gold shows with cheap incentives (which is a personal choice). I focus on ppm at higher rates. And somehow I'm still making very good money and have good placement. I'm not an anomaly--I know girls who gave up gold shows recently and saw an increase in their income on SM.
But that's not even my point. That mentality is blaming someone else for what happens in your room. So someone next to me is charging $0 for a 30 minute Fuck All My Holes show--who cares? It doesn't effect me. The only thing that effects me is giving into the notion that what someone else does outside my room is going to trump my efforts inside my room. #StepYourPussyUp
LadyCoco
05-25-2016, 06:01 PM
Some of you ladies mentioned driving your own traffic. Is there anyone that can link me to some threads here that go into how to do that effectively? I post on twitter but I feel it doesn't EVER bring me traffic. As for my traffic on SM, the worst part for me is I havent been on there in forever so its like starting from the bottom for me, so I have no traffic, and I'm on page 2 using the HD widescreen built in encoder setting with comcast broadband, but all I get are people that come in and out without saying anything.
Its gonna be shitty sitting there for hours on end but I suppose that's the only way I'm going to build up a fanbase again.
If the only thing we havent tried at this point is more hours, then can we really say the traffic is bad if we haven't exhausted every avenue at our disposal?
There are ton of threads on here that teach us how to promote. Yeah it's a lot of work and reading, but it gives valuable information.
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?182501-Promoting-Yourself-Advertising-Getting-More-Traffic-101&highlight=promoting+websites
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?190396-How-To-Maximize-Your-Twitter-Experience&highlight=maximize+twitter
Look. I think every cam site has its ups and downs. Each and every one of them. It's up to us to decide how we market ourselves. Camming is a business and you have invest in it. Treat it like a business. That includes marketing yourself on social media. Decide how you market your brand. Are you just some other boring camgirl that does the same thing that thousands of others camgirls do? Or, do you provide an unique experience? Learn from the Kardashians, Beyonces, and Taylor Swifts of the world who have their own doppelgangers in training.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-25-2016, 06:18 PM
There are ton of threads on here that teach us how to promote. Yeah it's a lot of work and reading, but it gives valuable information.
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?182501-Promoting-Yourself-Advertising-Getting-More-Traffic-101&highlight=promoting+websites
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?190396-How-To-Maximize-Your-Twitter-Experience&highlight=maximize+twitter
Look. I think every cam site has its ups and downs. Each and every one of them. It's up to us to decide how we market ourselves. Camming is a business and you have invest in it. Treat it like a business. That includes marketing yourself on social media. Decide how you market your brand. Are you just some other boring camgirl that does the same thing that thousands of others camgirls do? Or, do you provide an unique experience? Learn from the Kardashians, Beyonces, and Taylor Swifts of the world who have their own doppelgangers in training.
Thats a good way of putting it. I think in theory most of us wanna be our own unique snowflake, but sometimes a prototype is required. No matter where you project yourself. Streamate and beyond.
LadyCoco
05-25-2016, 06:32 PM
Thats a good way of putting it. I think in theory most of us wanna be our own unique snowflake, but sometimes a prototype is required. No matter where you project yourself. Streamate and beyond.
People can hate on the Kardashians all they want. I don't care. But their way of branding and marketing is GENIUS.
scarlettbelle
05-25-2016, 06:35 PM
Are you just some other boring camgirl that does the same thing that thousands of others camgirls do? Or, do you provide an unique experience?
This right here is something that gets lost a lot of the time. At the end of the day, we are performers. Issabelle makes some great points about consistency and working on tech stuff, and I think the final part of that equation is BE ENTERTAINING. You can have the best hustle in the world, log in every week for 40 hours, and still struggle if you don't provide an engaging experience for your viewers.
Good shows bring repeat customers. A good hustle brings in new customers. Consistency gives you the best shot at staying relevant and most importantly, helps you balance the slow times with busy times.
I have a ton of live performance experience and it's helped me a lot. Being able to improvise and entertain a crowd seriously helps in the cam world. If you have good tech, work a ton of hours and *still* struggle, take a look at your shows.
Watch other models, watch or read some porn, get ideas and get inspired. Take an improv class if you don't feel comfortable winging it in front of a crowd. Watch some live comedy shows and see how comedians handle hecklers and how they read a crowd.
Camming is a unique combination of sales + entertainment. A good hustle and a GREAT show go a long way.
oCURIOUSo
05-25-2016, 06:38 PM
I hope you're kidding. I don't offer Gold shows, they just aren't my thing. So even tho I'm in classic chat I always get harassed to do Gold shows. Even I decline in a polite manner and I am bitch or a cunt because I wont cater to their wishes. Then I am asked multiple times a day why I wont sell video's like everyone else does. I just don't want to because the 35 percent for me isnt worth it. I would rather sell them on a clips store. This happens every single time I'm on there, not just occasionally.
What performers do in their room does affect other performers. So many customers now expect all of us to offer freebies or get topless for free. If you dont experience that great, but other performers do. I would be more than happy to post screenshots of this if you want to see it. I already post some on Twitter from time to time.
That's pretty narrow perspective. Anything you say no to customers are going to ask why not, and try to convince you to do it over and over again.
Don't do anal? Why not bb, everyone else does!
Don't do incest role play? Why not bb? Everyone else does! It's just pretend, c'mon.
Don't use toys? Why not bb, All the other girls love their toys!
Don't do gold shows? C'mon bb, pvt is too expensive.
If you say no, they're gonna give you shit. That's the nature of the business. It's not just about the gold shows or the videos. Those are just the things that are apparent to you. I don't so incest, so what's it seem like everyone wants to see? Fucking incest. Pretty sure Issabelle doesn't use dildos. Bet she spends all night being asked to fuck herself with her biggest toy. Audri has a bush and small tits. Wanna ask how many times she's been told she should shave or get implants?
I'm not saying the bottom half of the front page, or pages 2-10 aren't getting less traffic than the top 3 rows. Of course we get more. We put in the hours both on and off cam to build the following to keep us there.
I'm sorry some of you are struggling. I'm pretty sure we've all had days or weeks or months where we thought we were gonna have to quit camming and go back to subway or wherever you worked before. But the difference between those of us not feeling the dip in traffic, especially those of us who have been doing this for years, is we see when things are changing and we change with it. If your current hustle isn't working for you and you're doing it to the best of your ability then try something else. Take advantage of the wealth of knowledge and experience you have here, like Jane, and other experienced models who are always offering support, ideas and suggestions. None of us are too good to try something new or work harder.
gingerstcyr
05-25-2016, 07:13 PM
If you think you have done everything right like Issabelle said. The tech, the settings, the net, AND put in the time AND still are not getting traffic/placement or making money? Maybe it is time to totally reinvent what you are doing. Maybe camming is not for you. Maybe. Heck I don't know. Who am I to say what is right for you or others. I remember what Issabelle posted somewhere about not going over to the negative side and read about what is wrong with SM and reading all the crap that goes on including glitches, disconnects and others complaints. She said I don't go there because it is always negative. Not that there are not problems or concerns she didn't want the negativity to get into her head before going on cam. For all that is wrong with SM pros and cons there are a ton more pros than cons. You are an independent contractor and a live performer. It is your business, your show not SM. Problems? Sure. Glitches? Sure. Just keep going or find something else to do. No amount of trying is going to help you win if you already feel like you lost. Negativity is the enemy of creativity. (David Lynch) Now I will shut up and let others try to help. :) Have a great night everybody.