View Full Version : STREAMATE - Venting, Complaining, Discussing site issues
bigbootyjudy1
06-28-2016, 10:01 PM
Im experiencing alot of in and outs within seconds, and barely anyone talking right now when they come in. Traffic seems so quiet tonight, still getting some shows but its weird.
This is what my chat box looks like right now noone speaking or staying logged in and out numerous times, is anyone else experiencing this, its first time its been like this when noone is saying anything.
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when that happens ,i log off and restart.Your room might not be loading.
Chellyinparadise
06-28-2016, 10:23 PM
when that happens ,i log off and restart.Your room might not be loading.
Thanks i tried that a few times after a few tries they started to talk some, still quiet though.
Chellyinparadise
06-28-2016, 10:24 PM
It's not just you. That was me allllll night long. Still managed to get my low goal. But damn it was like pulling teeth. A lot of guys coming in saying the black screen and one guy saying it was ONLY me. Nobody else's room was doing the black screen for him except me. Weird
Sorry to hear you had same thing happen, glad you atleast made low goal. Yea its taking me alot longer to make goal tonight, im trying though going to keep pushing as long as i can take it haha. Hope it gets better for you.
gingerstripper
06-28-2016, 11:12 PM
so i usually have a bunch of people in guest chat thing.. below and my other people in free chat.. and lately it seems like 0 in guest chat no lurkers.
anyone else? i find it a bit odd.... like i feel like traffic has been down. maybe im on at the wrong times. but wondering if anyone else has noticed this?
avalon_rose
06-29-2016, 12:10 AM
so i usually have a bunch of people in guest chat thing.. below and my other people in free chat.. and lately it seems like 0 in guest chat no lurkers.
anyone else? i find it a bit odd.... like i feel like traffic has been down. maybe im on at the wrong times. but wondering if anyone else has noticed this?
I actually had some pretty good traffic the past couple of days. I just started using the Broadcaster, though - so I'm thinking that might be it.
JoyKitten
06-29-2016, 01:18 AM
Im experiencing alot of in and outs within seconds, and barely anyone talking right now when they come in. Traffic seems so quiet tonight, still getting some shows but its weird.
This is what my chat box looks like right now noone speaking or staying logged in and out numerous times, is anyone else experiencing this, its first time its been like this when noone is saying anything.
Maverick22 has logged on
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Oh, geez! Looking at all that useless member info popping in and out would make me crazy.
Is everyone aware on your 'Settings' choices you can get rid of that string of maddening names, so you'll only see when they actually type into your stream?
If anyone's interested, under 'User message alerts' choose 'Hide' (default is 'show'). By doing so you can streamline your chat. I find it less stressful to only see actual chat rather than this clutter.
^^^ Same here, i disabled the thing as soon as it was available with the new SM interface years ago, cant stand to see all that names coming and going plus they eat a lot of space on my chat window, i think people dont really know they can disable that.
imelly21
06-29-2016, 05:08 AM
^^^ Same here, i disabled the thing as soon as it was available with the new SM interface years ago, cant stand to see all that names coming and going plus they eat a lot of space on my chat window, i think people dont really know they can disable that.
same here, I disaled it as soon as I noticed I can.
Chellyinparadise
06-29-2016, 06:54 AM
Thanks ladies, i will do that. Drives me mad too missing what people are saying sometimes in that window when people are actually talking, dont have alot of space there as it is. I appreciate it.
ExoticBeauty4U
06-29-2016, 09:39 AM
My Driver's license expires soon so I had to renew it. I uploaded new license and its been a few days and its still pending anyone know any way to speed up this process? I emailed support and got an automated message and yet new DL is still pending. I have until this Sunday and then theyre saying my stream will be interrupted which im trying to avoid.
xxtinamariexx
06-29-2016, 10:23 AM
I emailed liz and she had mine through that day!
Marina Starr
06-29-2016, 10:46 AM
Mine was pending for almost a fucking month until I messaged Liz at
[email protected] and she took care of it right away. I love Streamate but these are some stupid shit that pissed me the fuck off and I want to throw childish tantrums.
My Driver's license expires soon so I had to renew it. I uploaded new license and its been a few days and its still pending anyone know any way to speed up this process? I emailed support and got an automated message and yet new DL is still pending. I have until this Sunday and then theyre saying my stream will be interrupted which im trying to avoid.
missmercedes
06-29-2016, 05:17 PM
Havent had many tech issues lately but my stream looks like shiiiet today. Pixelated, frozen, or says im in a show when im not. So happy i at least sold some content today cuz i dont see myself making $$ on SM tonight!
MistressX
06-29-2016, 06:11 PM
Been on the second row and have one person in my room... ghost town
xCamLovex
06-29-2016, 06:30 PM
Been on the second row and have one person in my room... ghost town
Had to take a tea break to regroup for how slow it was earlier. Over 1800 models online earlier now a ghost town. wonder if this has all around been a slow day. ...please SM NO POP UP CONTEST. There is a better way! We don't have to do this!
...haha. let's come on people! it's halfway to the weekend let's jack off and stuff!!!!
xCamLovex
06-29-2016, 07:30 PM
Had to take a tea break to regroup for how slow it was earlier. Over 1800 models online earlier now a ghost town. wonder if this has all around been a slow day. ...please SM NO POP UP CONTEST. There is a better way! We don't have to do this!
...haha. let's come on people! it's halfway to the weekend let's jack off and stuff!!!!
Just had a regular who always does $100 shows tell me the video was locking up so bad he won't be back.... everything looks fine on my end.
hyori
06-29-2016, 07:48 PM
According to Boleyn Model newsletter business should pick up after July 4th.
MistressX
06-29-2016, 07:49 PM
Ok, to clarify, I was from #5-#8, sometimes more but usually in that range. It is a total ghost town today and I had to take a break. Luckily right before I did a regular came in and saved the day and put me back on track. We will see where the rest of the night goes...
JaneBurgess
06-29-2016, 08:36 PM
Its totally dead on there. WTF is going on? FYI - Tomorrow is the last game of the college world series in baseball
kiki399
06-29-2016, 09:17 PM
I got constant disconnects earlier, but my placement was off....SM is like a science experiment, without results. If I don't laugh ill lose it
plumwine
06-29-2016, 09:27 PM
According to Boleyn Model newsletter business should pick up after July 4th.
Did they send out a newsletter recently..? I didn't get one :(
EDIT: ah, just saw their forum post. Note to self: read SW more carefully while ingesting wine. happy camming gals
Blovely
06-29-2016, 09:59 PM
Yep this week sucks. No traffic. When I finally do get a pvt it only last 1-3 minutes. I'm pretty sure I'll have to pull a few 24 hr marathons in order to make my goal, otherwise I doubt I'll be able to make enough to pay my bills.
so i usually have a bunch of people in guest chat thing.. below and my other people in free chat.. and lately it seems like 0 in guest chat no lurkers.
anyone else? i find it a bit odd.... like i feel like traffic has been down. maybe im on at the wrong times. but wondering if anyone else has noticed this?
I noticed a dip in traffic in February. Top rooms use to have anywhere from 30-70 people sometimes even more. Once February hit top rooms had about 10-20 people, sometimes it was even lower. I have yet to see top rooms go back to 30-70+. Across the site(rooms other than the top rows) I'm seeing 3-10 people, some even have 0. I dunna what happened in February but something definitely changed to cause such a drastic drop in numbers. I've been waiting for things to pick back up since February.
Cutie101
06-29-2016, 10:07 PM
Streamate has been horror for me this week.
I had the lowest earnings week in 3 years!!!!!!
Thanks God Jasmin and Ifriends saved my ass, or... brrrr! Don't want to think...
xCamLovex
06-29-2016, 10:25 PM
Yep this week sucks. No traffic. When I finally do get a pvt it only last 1-3 minutes. I'm pretty sure I'll have to pull a few 24 hr marathons in order to make my goal, otherwise I doubt I'll be able to make enough to pay my bills.
I noticed a dip in traffic in February. Top rooms use to have anywhere from 30-70 people sometimes even more. Once February hit top rooms had about 10-20 people, sometimes it was even lower. I have yet to see top rooms go back to 30-70+. Across the site(rooms beside the top rows) I'm seeing 3-10 people, some even have 0. I dunna what happened in February but something definitely changed to cause such a drastic drop in numbers. I've been waiting for things to pick back up since February.
Went from making $2500 a week and starting Feb had a hard time
breaking $900. I can definitely relate to this observation. Whatever happened, happened. It's nearly impossible for SM to deny even though they do. However, who's seen a bunch of old custies appear out of no where recently? People who haven't done shows with me in 4 months are back.
audacity
06-30-2016, 01:25 AM
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good thank you x and you?
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BoyBoy1: Yes babe
How are you?
Where you from?x
I'm good thanks, I'm 21 from England too
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Alexander: Hi. Not much.
How are you?
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bgmet: wow
gorgeous eyes!
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bgmet: i am well
and you are lovely
i'm Barry
you're from the UK?
i'm a yank
but a lifelong anglophile
i love all things english
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bgmet: well, love.
i have to go now
i'll be back hopefully soon
xoxo
you're perfectly lovely
cheers
wow those lovely brown eyes
xoxo
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KILL ME NOW I'VE BEEN HERE 2 HOURS
i hate this so much!!
MistressX
06-30-2016, 11:04 AM
Well I managed to make my goal last night but god damn if it isn't like pulling teeth. I started using the broadcaster for the first time since my computer chose the moderate stream and that seems to keep me at about 65% cpu sometimes a little more.. But it rarely goes in the red. But anyway it hasn't helped with traffic. Like, at all. It's still a ghost town and guys coming in and out and not saying anything. Also curiously guys will say hi and then immediately leave. Like they are being booted or perhaps redirected somewhere else. Also I notice when there is something going on on the calendar like squirtmania even if I am #5 on the site I have like 1 guy in my room and when I check my feed I look more pixelated/choppy. I recently got myself Internet for only me.. It's more stable and I haven't had any problems at all. But whenever there is a designated show going on, my feed seems to suffer. Perhaps it's coincidence.. Perhaps they do it purposely to get more people into the designated room? I don't know.. I just don't put anything past them at this point.
Recently a model tweeted to Streamate that a very high paying customer informed her he was leaving due to site glitches and poor customer service. They tweeted back that they want to make improvements. Bullshit. I tweeted to them saying there are tons of good paying customers including whales leaving in droves because of this and it isn't them and it isn't us. It's the site, they know it, we know it, the customers know it... Hopefully they actually are making improvements but I have yet to see any.
Blovely is right, and something did change in February. I noticed the dip as well. I wonder what it is they did.. Perhaps just not advertising or buying traffic. I'm not afraid to tweet to them about it and in my tweet I also mentioned to please buy better traffic. They aren't fooling us and without models where would they be? It's time they start listening. I noticed they seem to be at least listening a little to the streamate polls account. Maybe there's hope?
KatyBoleyn
06-30-2016, 01:11 PM
Well I managed to make my goal last night but god damn if it isn't like pulling teeth. I started using the broadcaster for the first time since my computer chose the moderate stream and that seems to keep me at about 65% cpu sometimes a little more.. But it rarely goes in the red. But anyway it hasn't helped with traffic. Like, at all. It's still a ghost town and guys coming in and out and not saying anything. Also curiously guys will say hi and then immediately leave. Like they are being booted or perhaps redirected somewhere else. Also I notice when there is something going on on the calendar like squirtmania even if I am #5 on the site I have like 1 guy in my room and when I check my feed I look more pixelated/choppy. I recently got myself Internet for only me.. It's more stable and I haven't had any problems at all. But whenever there is a designated show going on, my feed seems to suffer. Perhaps it's coincidence.. Perhaps they do it purposely to get more people into the designated room? I don't know.. I just don't put anything past them at this point.
Recently a model tweeted to Streamate that a very high paying customer informed her he was leaving due to site glitches and poor customer service. They tweeted back that they want to make improvements. Bullshit. I tweeted to them saying there are tons of good paying customers including whales leaving in droves because of this and it isn't them and it isn't us. It's the site, they know it, we know it, the customers know it... Hopefully they actually are making improvements but I have yet to see any.
Blovely is right, and something did change in February. I noticed the dip as well. I wonder what it is they did.. Perhaps just not advertising or buying traffic. I'm not afraid to tweet to them about it and in my tweet I also mentioned to please buy better traffic. They aren't fooling us and without models where would they be? It's time they start listening. I noticed they seem to be at least listening a little to the streamate polls account. Maybe there's hope?
Yes something certainly did change around February'ish time frame.
First though, we need to get away from this narrative that Streamate (or any box site) stopped "advertising and buying traffic". That's not how it works, nor has it ever worked. They did some experiments with TV ads, but this is a very rare and minor part of their budget. The bulk of their traffic comes from armies of whitelabel affiliates, ad banner affiliates, and cammodels pushing their affiliate links. In this, they pay continuously 30-40% of the customer spending to the advertisers...a nearly equal share to what the models get. If nobody is making money, Streamate isn't paying you or them or getting any money for themselves. Traffic is not a magic button you push, authorize the Paypal transaction, and then out pops 50,000 paying customers at your doorstep...it doesn't work like that at all.
The jobs go like this:
+/-30% pay - Streamate (or any big box site), responsible for billing, fraud detection, accounting, servers, administrative overhead, setting up new deals and partnerships, technology development, hosting, resolving disputes, paying the bills
+/-30% pay - Affiliates, responsible for directing traffic from free porn sites (mostly) or any amount of other creative places to Streamate.
+/-30% pay - Models, responsible for making visitors want to part with their credit card details, enticing them into shows, keeping them on the hook and coming back as satisfied customers
~10% pay - divided between studios/recruiters, model bonus programs, affiliate bonus programs, and credit card company overhead.
If any one of these people fail in doing their job, nobody gets paid. Streamate didn't pay for bad traffic, the only traffic they pay for is "good traffic". Likewise if you got a spending client, that was "good traffic" by definition. If affiliates aren't pushing Streamate any more, then that means they lost their incentive - either Streamate isn't providing the proper platform, setting their % high enough, or models are hijacking the clients as they come in. You get enough of that, then the better affiliates find better things to do with their time.
The constructive thing to think about is how do you break that cycle. Saying Streamate needs to pay more for traffic means their affiliates need a bigger cut...and that comes out of someone else's pie piece. If it comes out of yours, the models would scream. If it comes out of Streamate's 30%, more administrative and technical nightmares are sure to follow. Would models give up 5% more of their cut to hand it to the affiliates they love so much?
The other main thing nobody is talking about really is the model count. From what we can estimate, it has completely doubled in the last year. That's twice as many fish for not that much more fish food. Streamate, being a single entity, is probably doing just as well as ever, but they are needing to deal with double the administrative overhead. Competent affiliates are also a rare commodity, so they're actually doing well if they stick it out. Models though, this is where the real income hit comes in.
If you cut model income in half, nobody's happy. They're almost dealing with it though by first putting a much higher bar to the tech quality and requirements from the models...putting the onus on them. Using sub-par tech like trying to stream on wifi or camming on your hipster Mac potato? They'll make your life miserable. Is your hustle not competitive and you're sitting there like dear-in-headlights? That's no longer a valid option for making money...they got too many models willing to sing, dance, and stand on their heads with 50 free videos. The result is that instead of 100% miserable, now its 30% doing as well or better than ever, 20% wanting to do as well, and 50% miserable and trying to figure out what happened.
[Note carefully I didn't say anything about bargain prices. Good whales, by and large, are not bargain hunters. Lowering prices in an effort to be competitive simply hurts everyone's income, starting with yours. The affiliates aren't too impressed either.]
We see this play out over and over again. Brand new models with high energy that don't know anything but competitive hustle are banking. Experienced models with good work ethic and who keep up with their hustle and tech are banking. New models thinking this is easy money or returning models thinking they can just do what they did 3-5 years ago and everything will be fine, find out quickly how disappointing camming can be. At one point, you could cam forever and not worry about investing in the best internet or upgrading your camming gear...no longer. Streamate's random good and bad traffic and tech days do nothing to help the situation, but if you adapt a long-term, work hell-or-high water approach, you still make a good, regular, steady income.
LaylaLovely
06-30-2016, 02:24 PM
Okay has anyone had this problem...(today's my first day with this problem) pg 1 row 2 i7 computer wired internet upload speeds of 10+ HD cam rankings page showing all excellents...but I'm glitchy and laggy n freezing very bad..all day today..I have restarted my internet n computer many times..logged out of anything other than sm and still bad
witchbaby
06-30-2016, 03:57 PM
Was the site acting up for anyone else this morning and late last night? It wouldn't let me connect around 3am EST. The usual morning rush was non-existent and I'm guessing customers were experiencing glitches as well. I had two guys try to take me private, but they left unexpectedly after two minutes. We were mid-show and actively communicating, so I think they were kicked out rather than leaving on their own.
What a waste of a morning. Grrr.
witchbaby
06-30-2016, 03:59 PM
Double post. Sorry. :(
TrifilinCamHo
06-30-2016, 04:14 PM
Katy Boleyn with the info-bomb!
https://media.giphy.com/media/MUeQeEQaDCjE4/giphy.gif
EdenChan
06-30-2016, 04:31 PM
Today was the only the second time the glitches have cost me money (customers telling me my feed is frozen so they end the show), but ive never had this issue before and it seems like these past weeks it's been more and more frequent. Sigh, hopefully it resolves soon, making it hard to hustle when you look like broken pixels with a seductive voice lol
BiscuitT
06-30-2016, 05:07 PM
Glitchy as hell :P I met my goal in a GS and I had literally 0 people there. People complaining about me being like choppy and say they are unable to go private.
sovereignv
06-30-2016, 05:24 PM
I've been doing pretty well recently but the past three days have been ridiculously bad, as in, some of the worst I've had since I started camming, all in a row pretty much. What gives?
Chellyinparadise
06-30-2016, 05:48 PM
I was just informed by someone that they cant do cam2cam and when they try to do it it logs them out and its been about 20 mins that they have tried. I also had a customer in pvt try numerous times and he logged out everytime as well so thats 2 saying the same thing. Is anyone hearing this from guys as well?
Prussia
06-30-2016, 07:18 PM
WTF. My room is working on my end, but guys can't see me. It says I'm in a private show when I open a new window. Almost all rooms that I clicked on front page look like this. My internet is 266 down 21 up. Not on my end.... hmm I wonder on who's end the issue this may be? No wonder the sites traffic is at a snails pace tonight. Why did I get ready today... why?! :mad:
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hyori
06-30-2016, 07:56 PM
Yes something certainly did change around February'ish time frame.
First though, we need to get away from this narrative that Streamate (or any box site) stopped "advertising and buying traffic". That's not how it works, nor has it ever worked. They did some experiments with TV ads, but this is a very rare and minor part of their budget. The bulk of their traffic comes from armies of whitelabel affiliates, ad banner affiliates, and cammodels pushing their affiliate links. In this, they pay continuously 30-40% of the customer spending to the advertisers...a nearly equal share to what the models get. If nobody is making money, Streamate isn't paying you or them or getting any money for themselves. Traffic is not a magic button you push, authorize the Paypal transaction, and then out pops 50,000 paying customers at your doorstep...it doesn't work like that at all.
The jobs go like this:
+/-30% pay - Streamate (or any big box site), responsible for billing, fraud detection, accounting, servers, administrative overhead, setting up new deals and partnerships, technology development, hosting, resolving disputes, paying the bills
+/-30% pay - Affiliates, responsible for directing traffic from free porn sites (mostly) or any amount of other creative places to Streamate.
+/-30% pay - Models, responsible for making visitors want to part with their credit card details, enticing them into shows, keeping them on the hook and coming back as satisfied customers
~10% pay - divided between studios/recruiters, model bonus programs, affiliate bonus programs, and credit card company overhead.
If any one of these people fail in doing their job, nobody gets paid. Streamate didn't pay for bad traffic, the only traffic they pay for is "good traffic". Likewise if you got a spending client, that was "good traffic" by definition. If affiliates aren't pushing Streamate any more, then that means they lost their incentive - either Streamate isn't providing the proper platform, setting their % high enough, or models are hijacking the clients as they come in. You get enough of that, then the better affiliates find better things to do with their time.
The constructive thing to think about is how do you break that cycle. Saying Streamate needs to pay more for traffic means their affiliates need a bigger cut...and that comes out of someone else's pie piece. If it comes out of yours, the models would scream. If it comes out of Streamate's 30%, more administrative and technical nightmares are sure to follow. Would models give up 5% more of their cut to hand it to the affiliates they love so much?
The other main thing nobody is talking about really is the model count. From what we can estimate, it has completely doubled in the last year. That's twice as many fish for not that much more fish food. Streamate, being a single entity, is probably doing just as well as ever, but they are needing to deal with double the administrative overhead. Competent affiliates are also a rare commodity, so they're actually doing well if they stick it out. Models though, this is where the real income hit comes in.
If you cut model income in half, nobody's happy. They're almost dealing with it though by first putting a much higher bar to the tech quality and requirements from the models...putting the onus on them. Using sub-par tech like trying to stream on wifi or camming on your hipster Mac potato? They'll make your life miserable. Is your hustle not competitive and you're sitting there like dear-in-headlights? That's no longer a valid option for making money...they got too many models willing to sing, dance, and stand on their heads with 50 free videos. The result is that instead of 100% miserable, now its 30% doing as well or better than ever, 20% wanting to do as well, and 50% miserable and trying to figure out what happened.
[Note carefully I didn't say anything about bargain prices. Good whales, by and large, are not bargain hunters. Lowering prices in an effort to be competitive simply hurts everyone's income, starting with yours. The affiliates aren't too impressed either.]
We see this play out over and over again. Brand new models with high energy that don't know anything but competitive hustle are banking. Experienced models with good work ethic and who keep up with their hustle and tech are banking. New models thinking this is easy money or returning models thinking they can just do what they did 3-5 years ago and everything will be fine, find out quickly how disappointing camming can be. At one point, you could cam forever and not worry about investing in the best internet or upgrading your camming gear...no longer. Streamate's random good and bad traffic and tech days do nothing to help the situation, but if you adapt a long-term, work hell-or-high water approach, you still make a good, regular, steady income.
I'm just going to re quote this because it's just so fucking amazing.
JoyKitten
06-30-2016, 08:48 PM
Ok, to clarify, I was from #5-#8, sometimes more but usually in that range. It is a total ghost town today and I had to take a break. Luckily right before I did a regular came in and saved the day and put me back on track. We will see where the rest of the night goes...
Are you looking at your placement when you're signed-in as a Streamate Member, or just watching from the public home page? (Because being signed in as a member will show a lot more models who are hidden from the public home page, which of course can dramatically change your placement)
JoyKitten
06-30-2016, 09:04 PM
Yes something certainly did change around February'ish time frame.
First though, we need to get away from this narrative that Streamate (or any box site) stopped "advertising and buying traffic". That's not how it works, nor has it ever worked. They did some experiments with TV ads, but this is a very rare and minor part of their budget. The bulk of their traffic comes from armies of whitelabel affiliates, ad banner affiliates, and cammodels pushing their affiliate links. In this, they pay continuously 30-40% of the customer spending to the advertisers...a nearly equal share to what the models get. If nobody is making money, Streamate isn't paying you or them or getting any money for themselves. Traffic is not a magic button you push, authorize the Paypal transaction, and then out pops 50,000 paying customers at your doorstep...it doesn't work like that at all.
The jobs go like this:
+/-30% pay - Streamate (or any big box site), responsible for billing, fraud detection, accounting, servers, administrative overhead, setting up new deals and partnerships, technology development, hosting, resolving disputes, paying the bills
+/-30% pay - Affiliates, responsible for directing traffic from free porn sites (mostly) or any amount of other creative places to Streamate.
+/-30% pay - Models, responsible for making visitors want to part with their credit card details, enticing them into shows, keeping them on the hook and coming back as satisfied customers
~10% pay - divided between studios/recruiters, model bonus programs, affiliate bonus programs, and credit card company overhead.
If any one of these people fail in doing their job, nobody gets paid. Streamate didn't pay for bad traffic, the only traffic they pay for is "good traffic". Likewise if you got a spending client, that was "good traffic" by definition. If affiliates aren't pushing Streamate any more, then that means they lost their incentive - either Streamate isn't providing the proper platform, setting their % high enough, or models are hijacking the clients as they come in. You get enough of that, then the better affiliates find better things to do with their time.
The constructive thing to think about is how do you break that cycle. Saying Streamate needs to pay more for traffic means their affiliates need a bigger cut...and that comes out of someone else's pie piece. If it comes out of yours, the models would scream. If it comes out of Streamate's 30%, more administrative and technical nightmares are sure to follow. Would models give up 5% more of their cut to hand it to the affiliates they love so much?
The other main thing nobody is talking about really is the model count. From what we can estimate, it has completely doubled in the last year. That's twice as many fish for not that much more fish food. Streamate, being a single entity, is probably doing just as well as ever, but they are needing to deal with double the administrative overhead. Competent affiliates are also a rare commodity, so they're actually doing well if they stick it out. Models though, this is where the real income hit comes in.
If you cut model income in half, nobody's happy. They're almost dealing with it though by first putting a much higher bar to the tech quality and requirements from the models...putting the onus on them. Using sub-par tech like trying to stream on wifi or camming on your hipster Mac potato? They'll make your life miserable. Is your hustle not competitive and you're sitting there like dear-in-headlights? That's no longer a valid option for making money...they got too many models willing to sing, dance, and stand on their heads with 50 free videos. The result is that instead of 100% miserable, now its 30% doing as well or better than ever, 20% wanting to do as well, and 50% miserable and trying to figure out what happened.
[Note carefully I didn't say anything about bargain prices. Good whales, by and large, are not bargain hunters. Lowering prices in an effort to be competitive simply hurts everyone's income, starting with yours. The affiliates aren't too impressed either.]
We see this play out over and over again. Brand new models with high energy that don't know anything but competitive hustle are banking. Experienced models with good work ethic and who keep up with their hustle and tech are banking. New models thinking this is easy money or returning models thinking they can just do what they did 3-5 years ago and everything will be fine, find out quickly how disappointing camming can be. At one point, you could cam forever and not worry about investing in the best internet or upgrading your camming gear...no longer. Streamate's random good and bad traffic and tech days do nothing to help the situation, but if you adapt a long-term, work hell-or-high water approach, you still make a good, regular, steady income.
Oh, thank you Katy! You've done a marvelous job explaining how Streamate (and most sites) work.
Being that these threads are so difficult to refer back to when needed, may I suggest you post this on your BoleynModels.com blog where curious models can find it for the first time, or refer back to it as needed. It's too important a gem to be buried in the midst of this thread =)
It's freakin' brilliant!
Thank you, so much for taking the time to write it.
missmercedes
06-30-2016, 09:23 PM
OMG. I'm so creeped out right now. I've been on for 7 mins and not one person in or out. Even on the slowest nights ever this has NEVER happened. I checked my link and I'm definitely streaming, and on page 2 which is normal for late night wknds. I feel like I'm secretly a ghost or sumn. Lol.
xCamLovex
07-01-2016, 04:57 PM
OMG. I'm so creeped out right now. I've been on for 7 mins and not one person in or out. Even on the slowest nights ever this has NEVER happened. I checked my link and I'm definitely streaming, and on page 2 which is normal for late night wknds. I feel like I'm secretly a ghost or sumn. Lol.
I think this might prove that 90% of SM is Canadian out celebrating Canada Day somewhere! It's seriously tough finding inspiration right now. It's that slow, even the freeloaders have no energy. Lethargy in even the begging
SuperPookie
07-01-2016, 07:13 PM
I had one show in 7 frigging hours. It was for a little under$10 bucks. This is insane.
JaneBurgess
07-01-2016, 08:46 PM
Pretty sure this proves most of our customers are Americans and they are out of town for the weekend. Perhaps Canadian too since they are celebrating their big day today.
foxxxydiva
07-01-2016, 10:46 PM
It is the holiday weekend for most all of North America. My thought is they do go out and party, but they also uber home drunk and horny. I'm gonna try to be around to take advantage of some guys beer goggles and hope he has auto reload!!!
Promised
07-01-2016, 11:23 PM
Okay I know sometimes girls get naked in the free chat on SM, but lately i've been seeing alot who even advertise it in their topic "tip 5 for pussy" "tip 10 completely naked" I know my rules said no below waist nudity but i'm in the US, do girls in other countries get different rules like depending on where they are from? or does sm just let it slide? I can't compete with girls who are but naked on cam in free chat that's why I tend to not log into mfc and cb that often.
JaneBurgess
07-01-2016, 11:35 PM
Okay I know sometimes girls get naked in the free chat on SM, but lately i've been seeing alot who even advertise it in their topic "tip 5 for pussy" "tip 10 completely naked" I know my rules said no below waist nudity but i'm in the US, do girls in other countries get different rules like depending on where they are from? or does sm just let it slide? I can't compete with girls who are but naked on cam in free chat that's why I tend to not log into mfc and cb that often.
No one can be fully naked in free chat, the rules are for everyone.
I've seen fully naked with one handed pussy bra.
SuperPookie
07-02-2016, 02:43 PM
Yeah that shit is happening a lot and nothing is being done about it.
JaneBurgess
07-02-2016, 03:42 PM
If you see anyone fully naked in free chat take a screenshot and send it to CS. They cant monitor free chat all the time so help them out by reporting it.
christylive
07-02-2016, 07:26 PM
Okay I know sometimes girls get naked in the free chat on SM, but lately i've been seeing alot who even advertise it in their topic "tip 5 for pussy" "tip 10 completely naked" I know my rules said no below waist nudity but i'm in the US, do girls in other countries get different rules like depending on where they are from? or does sm just let it slide? I can't compete with girls who are but naked on cam in free chat that's why I tend to not log into mfc and cb that often.
YES me also. especially with the studio girls in the US. really odd. i was wondering if girls are just chancing it. I typically don't knock others for how they make their tips but it's getting out of control because every other guy that comes into my free chat asks how much for pussy flash. Never had that problem until recently.