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Betsyxo
08-20-2016, 02:10 PM
You just put another models boobs on a public forum. Edit?

It's edited, however i did hot screencap her face or account name or anything...

MistressX
08-20-2016, 02:30 PM
Yeah I'm done for today. WTF

I'm legit upset. This is my only income. I am freaking out. Couldnt make money on streamate and that never happens to me! Couldnt make money on cams.com either. What the hell is going on

Betsyxo
08-20-2016, 02:35 PM
My bad, im tired at this hour and so used with seeing boobs all the time i didnt think of it otherwise. its edited!

MissAdriana
08-20-2016, 03:25 PM
guys, dont kill me or anything..... but have you considered trying a token site dedicating your full attention to it, no splitcamming? im letting streamate go for a bit and moved back to my token site where i started.... its a breath of fresh air, im surprised actually, ive been gone for a year

Yeah I am you. After streamgate this time last year and a few downhill months following it I tapped out. After seeing this thread pop up and it's like on the front page every damn day I know I made the right decision

foxirox
08-20-2016, 05:31 PM
I know I'm fairly new to camming, but after my worst night ever on SM - I'm going to try my hand at Indy/phone/text/based sites.

Betsyxo
08-20-2016, 05:48 PM
Let's see if/how SM picks up again after tomorrow. The 21st is the last day of the Olympics.

Usually sportsball events don't affect my earnings significantly (maybe because I openly talk about how much I hate sports, so I end up gaining regulars in the same boat) -- but the Olympics have been a somewhat surprisingly different situation. I'm hoping that next week averages out back to normal for me. Plus it will coincide nicely with a lot of kiddies starting school again, which usually equates to more people online.

For all the ladies giving up on SM lately, I would advise to give it one more month. See how the whole month of September goes. The summer slump always sucks, and it has been particularly horrendous this year. But I'm really holding out that it'll pick back up in the new season. I actually can't wait for the weather to get shitty for the sake of rainy days being more of a motivation to stay inside and cam more.

I hope it picks up and i think i will, i havent had such a bad time with earnings, for me, it't not why i'm leaving it on the side for now. The main thing is the % and 3 week delay on payments that i was clearly told is never going to change. I just realised, i DO make $100 an hour, but how much of that do i actually keep? not enough. Which means up the prices, which means it falls on the customers. This stresses me out and makes me feel pressured. The more they tip the more they expect... I don't wanna feel like that. Besides their policies as a site are very stiff - i sometimes do b/g shows... well i cant do that on my account i have to get a new one from scratch, also i can't even tell my customers about my social media....and so on and so forth. Blah.

I'll keep it active cuz you never know, but 3 months in and i already feel exhausted....

MsJess
08-20-2016, 05:51 PM
Girls remember is UFC special event tonight and its been on for 2 hours now, the main event is in 1 hour, so i guess everybody is watching it, some of my regs are off watching it and me too hehe

MistressX
08-20-2016, 10:44 PM
I hope you are right about the olympics. Today was just awful for me and I really just wanted to cry. I could feel my blood pressure rising the more I sat on cam. I am hoping this week goes better.

JaneBurgess
08-20-2016, 11:13 PM
Let's see if/how SM picks up again after tomorrow. The 21st is the last day of the Olympics.

Usually sportsball events don't affect my earnings significantly (maybe because I openly talk about how much I hate sports, so I end up gaining regulars in the same boat) -- but the Olympics have been a somewhat surprisingly different situation. I'm hoping that next week averages out back to normal for me. Plus it will coincide nicely with a lot of kiddies starting school again, which usually equates to more people online.

For all the ladies giving up on SM lately, I would advise to give it one more month. See how the whole month of September goes. The summer slump always sucks, and it has been particularly horrendous this year. But I'm really holding out that it'll pick back up in the new season. I actually can't wait for the weather to get shitty for the sake of rainy days being more of a motivation to stay inside and cam more.



I'll watch and see how the postings go in the next few weeks before I even consider going back there again. I really dont think this is due to Olympics since other sites have traffic and spenders. I could be wrong tho and I hope I am for everyone's sake. Tonight was also football and now that its back, three days a week will be dead. Well four of you count in NCAA football on Saturdays.

KatyBoleyn
08-21-2016, 12:19 PM
The week of 24 July seems to be the record low for the year for spending traffic. The weeks since have seen a full point jump each week. Last year's summer slump was even deeper than this year's.

The numbers don't lie, last week was a very good week for the "average model". If it follows last years' trends, around September 1st is the big leap up that keeps rolling upwards until 2 weeks after Christmas where it crashes until the tax return/Spring Fever bump in April.

This last week was actually a very healthy average...somebody made money for sure. Average for the last 2 years is ~26%, this last week it was 24.3% (which is awesome for end of summer). As far as the demise of Streamate, one stat did stick out - the average "hourly pay" for a model has dropped a whole $2 in 2 years (~8% hit in non-inflation adjusted dollars). I personally blame the economy and destruction of the middle class both saturating the market and reducing consumer spending on luxuries, but that's just me.

Steady shift work (while just rolling with whatever they throw at you) is still the way to make money. Sitting there getting more and more frustrated is a death spiral.

Horny
08-21-2016, 12:26 PM
The week of 24 July seems to be the record low for the year for spending traffic. The weeks since have seen a full point jump each week. Last year's summer slump was even deeper than this year's.

The numbers don't lie, last week was a very good week for the "average model". If it follows last years' trends, around September 1st is the big leap up that keeps rolling upwards until 2 weeks after Christmas where it crashes until the tax return/Spring Fever bump in April.

This last week was actually a very healthy average...somebody made money for sure. Average for the last 2 years is ~26%, this last week it was 24.3% (which is awesome for end of summer). As far as the demise of Streamate, one stat did stick out - the average "hourly pay" for a model has dropped a whole $2 in 2 years (~8% hit in non-inflation adjusted dollars). I personally blame the economy and destruction of the middle class both saturating the market and reducing consumer spending on luxuries, but that's just me.

Steady shift work (while just rolling with whatever they throw at you) is still the way to make money. Sitting there getting more and more frustrated is a death spiral.

Can I be nosy and ask what the average hourly rate is? I would be interested I keep getting told I'm expensive PVT $5.99 EXCL $7.99 I am just wondering where the average $2 drop takes prices?

EllieGold
08-21-2016, 02:35 PM
The week of 24 July seems to be the record low for the year for spending traffic. The weeks since have seen a full point jump each week. Last year's summer slump was even deeper than this year's.

The numbers don't lie, last week was a very good week for the "average model". If it follows last years' trends, around September 1st is the big leap up that keeps rolling upwards until 2 weeks after Christmas where it crashes until the tax return/Spring Fever bump in April.

This last week was actually a very healthy average...somebody made money for sure. Average for the last 2 years is ~26%, this last week it was 24.3% (which is awesome for end of summer). As far as the demise of Streamate, one stat did stick out - the average "hourly pay" for a model has dropped a whole $2 in 2 years (~8% hit in non-inflation adjusted dollars). I personally blame the economy and destruction of the middle class both saturating the market and reducing consumer spending on luxuries, but that's just me.

Steady shift work (while just rolling with whatever they throw at you) is still the way to make money. Sitting there getting more and more frustrated is a death spiral.

I had a good week last week which never happens but things have slowed down a bit. Last night was pretty quiet for a Saturday. Hopefully things will start improving for us all real soon. Thanks Katy for chiming in on this!

Magical_Hoohah
08-21-2016, 02:35 PM
@Horny - I'm pretty sure Katy is talking about the average earnings per hour, not the rates we are charging. If models were dropping their rates by an average of $2, I imagine that would be a very big deal, statistically.

JustCallMeBree
08-21-2016, 05:03 PM
I had a suspiciously good week last week and today was good. I had steady traffic, spending customers and even a few newbies got shows. I hung in there, calmed down when i got flustered, rode out my shift and made my goal plus $4 which is saying alot when I was crying about not making my rent just three weeks ago. It's giving me hope that this is really the end of worst of the summer slump. I hope you ladies feel the turn around soon too.

JaneBurgess
08-21-2016, 09:23 PM
The week of 24 July seems to be the record low for the year for spending traffic. The weeks since have seen a full point jump each week. Last year's summer slump was even deeper than this year's.

The numbers don't lie, last week was a very good week for the "average model". If it follows last years' trends, around September 1st is the big leap up that keeps rolling upwards until 2 weeks after Christmas where it crashes until the tax return/Spring Fever bump in April.

This last week was actually a very healthy average...somebody made money for sure. Average for the last 2 years is ~26%, this last week it was 24.3% (which is awesome for end of summer). As far as the demise of Streamate, one stat did stick out - the average "hourly pay" for a model has dropped a whole $2 in 2 years (~8% hit in non-inflation adjusted dollars). I personally blame the economy and destruction of the middle class both saturating the market and reducing consumer spending on luxuries, but that's just me.

Steady shift work (while just rolling with whatever they throw at you) is still the way to make money. Sitting there getting more and more frustrated is a death spiral.


Where do you get your stats from? Im curious how anyone could average out what our normal hourly rate would be since there are 1500 or so performers on the site. That would require knowing how much Streamate makes a year and other factors Im sure they dont give out.

Kitcatt
08-21-2016, 10:09 PM
I would assume she means of Boleyn Models Jane?

JaneBurgess
08-21-2016, 10:25 PM
I would assume she means of Boleyn Models Jane?

Thats what I was thinking but I wanted to ask to be sure. Those stats wouldnt apply to those of us not in the studio tho. I wish there was a way to get stats from SM.

MistressX
08-22-2016, 12:03 AM
I finally had a good night.. thank the cam gods! I am so unbelievably happy about this. I really needed it not just for the money but for the morale boost. Last week was the worst for me. Heres hoping tomorrow is good too

heyho
08-22-2016, 01:29 AM
Aaaah what happened to the 30sec countdown? I came back after a month and have had 2 shows so far, both of which ended and dropped me right back into freechat as soon as the guy left, with no countdown! The first time I thought I was a dumbass and missed it, but the second time I was definitely looking at the screen when I got the "logged off (reason: user left)" message and the little black screen just kept saying "External Encoder". No countdown. Freechat guys saw all my shit. Boo :(

Edit; Now I've got the countdown. Okie~

Glamourmilf
08-22-2016, 06:47 AM
Aaaah what happened to the 30sec countdown? I came back after a month and have had 2 shows so far, both of which ended and dropped me right back into freechat as soon as the guy left, with no countdown! The first time I thought I was a dumbass and missed it, but the second time I was definitely looking at the screen when I got the "logged off (reason: user left)" message and the little black screen just kept saying "External Encoder". No countdown. Freechat guys saw all my shit. Boo :(

Edit; Now I've got the countdown. Okie~


I believe when that happens it means the customer has reached his spending limit.
It sucks big time though, because every time, there I am, usually stark naked, usually diddling something into the camera. You'd think with all this modern technology, that SM would have figured a way to still get the countdown timer.
After all, isn't the official name of the company ICF. TECHNOLOGY?
lol! Omg!:O

Horny
08-22-2016, 07:06 AM
I finally had a good night.. thank the cam gods! I am so unbelievably happy about this. I really needed it not just for the money but for the morale boost. Last week was the worst for me. Heres hoping tomorrow is good too

Glad someone's doing well $11 today but much more traffic so that's something let's hope we are on the up now

KatyBoleyn
08-22-2016, 09:11 AM
Thats what I was thinking but I wanted to ask to be sure. Those stats wouldnt apply to those of us not in the studio tho. I wish there was a way to get stats from SM.

We have a very diverse cross-section of about 800 active models, some are top stars on SM and some just playing there for fun. The only skewing is we're about 90% US and NOT in a physical studio.

Statistically though, that is way more than is needed for the margin of error to be around 0.1% or less. Even 100 models would be statistically significant.

someoldnoob
08-22-2016, 09:30 AM
Finally had a decent night last night, too. Had much better traffic, and maybe it could be timing, olympics, feeling more confident about sticking to my boundaries, who knows. Might be able to make my goal this week and them some. I wish the SMBroadcast would work with my computer, I'm not sure why it won't (could be my pc) for better placement, but since I'm back to using the encoder, I'm definitely better off than when I used the browser. Haven't had as many glitches as I did last week and the previous week. Less people getting booted for no reason, which is nice. Only have had a couple assholes so far, and for some reason, two more pedo-types than I recall ever coming across 7 years ago. And one 'confused' as to why my prices are higher than porn stars, which I guess is an elevated status in camming, so had to listen to this guy try insulting me and requesting I block him (I suspect he was looking for a free humiliation show) and when I refused, said he 'blocked himself' after I let him have it and switched up by saying I'm in love with him and respect him. Site issues and paying customers getting better, but now the assholes are coming out trying me.

JaneBurgess
08-22-2016, 10:30 AM
We have a very diverse cross-section of about 800 active models, some are top stars on SM and some just playing there for fun. The only skewing is we're about 90% US and NOT in a physical studio.

Statistically though, that is way more than is needed for the margin of error to be around 0.1% or less. Even 100 models would be statistically significant.



Thank you for the answer. I didnt realize you had 800 performers, thats really awesome. Im hoping September is the month things pick up again.

Mare
08-22-2016, 11:02 AM
Too bad guys didn't have to click through how to act on the camsite one sentence at a time until they get to the end and could then get to the free chat area.

1: Realize the people here are WORKING.
arrow points to next page
2: Small amounts of chit chat/ bullshit is acceptable, but copy and paste of your specific fantasy should be invisible so other members aren't wanking to your dialogue in free
arrow points to next page
3: sitting and parking in free chat is considered staring and rude. You might get kicked or banned.
arrow points to next page
4: Although our site allows you to rate the models please realize you are just being a retaliatory loser fuckboy by giving a model a poor rating and that you're generally unfit to actually rate our fine models
arrow points to next page
5: You may have clicked here from a dating site. The models don't do meet ups.
arrow points to next page
6:You will now be directed to the PAID chat.

I know. I know. They're attention span won't tolerate this. Plus like Disney we're supposed to blow smoke up their ass about how everything is wonderful and we do this because we're sitting in cum soaked panties and can't get enough.

MistressX
08-22-2016, 11:06 AM
I suffered from a glitch last night where the text wasn't scrolling and I was doing a closeup bj show (thank god it was only that).. I didn't see that the guy had left. So I was in free chat sucking a fuckin cock for like 3 or 4 minutes! I was so embarrassed lol

Mare
08-22-2016, 11:19 AM
^^^ That sux. ( Pun intended) . Well. Free advertising. :)

anonymous camgirl
08-22-2016, 11:24 AM
Yes I agree last week I was $100 off from my making my minimum weekly goal.. much improvement from the first week of the Olympics where I only made enough to pay the bills.. Not sure of the hours I did last week though.. I didn't calculate them... ok so I added my hours up ,, I worked 3 hours less than usual and therefore I was $100 off which means I could have made a lil bit more money than that... but my hourly wage was the norm.


The week of 24 July seems to be the record low for the year for spending traffic. The weeks since have seen a full point jump each week. Last year's summer slump was even deeper than this year's.

The numbers don't lie, last week was a very good week for the "average model". If it follows last years' trends, around September 1st is the big leap up that keeps rolling upwards until 2 weeks after Christmas where it crashes until the tax return/Spring Fever bump in April.

This last week was actually a very healthy average...somebody made money for sure. Average for the last 2 years is ~26%, this last week it was 24.3% (which is awesome for end of summer). As far as the demise of Streamate, one stat did stick out - the average "hourly pay" for a model has dropped a whole $2 in 2 years (~8% hit in non-inflation adjusted dollars). I personally blame the economy and destruction of the middle class both saturating the market and reducing consumer spending on luxuries, but that's just me.

Steady shift work (while just rolling with whatever they throw at you) is still the way to make money. Sitting there getting more and more frustrated is a death spiral.

CreativeName
08-22-2016, 01:41 PM
I don't know it seems a lot of you seem to make all or most of your money on sm, but I seem to not do well there and I wonder why lol. It also seems like the traffic to my room is bad?

DahliaSimone
08-22-2016, 01:45 PM
I had a decent amount of traffic itself, considering I was on from Noon-3:30 (worst hours I could choose, honestly) BUT nobody wanting privates. A few talkers. Made $14 in 3 and a half hours from one 5 minute exclusive....def. decided today was not the day to start my week off. Of course, lack of sleep, a headache, and being emotional really didn't help me any....but, tomorrows a new day and there will be money to be had.

SoloDesire
08-22-2016, 02:46 PM
I am seriously so effing sick of the peepers in private chat! I will literally stop what I'm doing every time someone enters and put the block screen up and then block them if they leave early. I don't even care anymore if it disrupts the show. Seriously blocking so many people every day! How is this lucrative to SM to have so many assholes blocked or given freebies?! I block at least 10 assholes a day.

CreativeName
08-22-2016, 03:10 PM
I don't understand how this site still operates with their bull fucking shit 30 sec peeping being ok.. like I understand if they had maybe a free peak or 2 to entice them to pay but how can they just let them do this shit over and over? I don't always interrupt my shows to ban these losers but I always scroll up for their name and write them down so if ever they return, they're blocked..

SoloDesire
08-22-2016, 03:12 PM
Oh I ALWAYS stop what I'm doing to put them on block. That's why I only tease in private...that way I'm always ready for their sorry asses.

MistressX
08-22-2016, 05:01 PM
wow spoke too soon I guess. only ins and outs so far nobody rely even talking. It was so different yesterday wtf

JustCallMeBree
08-22-2016, 05:15 PM
My private is $3 more than my exclusive on SM due to peepers. I hate feeling like I gave something for free when they pop in and out of my shows and it totally throws off my rhythm. I saw Kortneykay post about making her private more and it really has paid off. No more peppers and if I get a private with a pepper I feel like I'm being paid for it.

someoldnoob
08-22-2016, 05:27 PM
Too bad guys didn't have to click through how to act on the camsite one sentence at a time until they get to the end and could then get to the free chat area.

1: Realize the people here are WORKING.
arrow points to next page
2: Small amounts of chit chat/ bullshit is acceptable, but copy and paste of your specific fantasy should be invisible so other members aren't wanking to your dialogue in free
arrow points to next page
3: sitting and parking in free chat is considered staring and rude. You might get kicked or banned.
arrow points to next page
4: Although our site allows you to rate the models please realize you are just being a retaliatory loser fuckboy by giving a model a poor rating and that you're generally unfit to actually rate our fine models
arrow points to next page
5: You may have clicked here from a dating site. The models don't do meet ups.
arrow points to next page
6:You will now be directed to the PAID chat.

I know. I know. They're attention span won't tolerate this. Plus like Disney we're supposed to blow smoke up their ass about how everything is wonderful and we do this because we're sitting in cum soaked panties and can't get enough.

I love this. Thank you for this. I was just dealing with someone who gave me a lower rating because I wouldn't break one of my personal boundaries even after I did the non-sexy interruption thing of 'too many guys before you have ruined it so now i don't do x' and he wouldn't take 'no' for an answer. asshole.

SoloDesire
08-22-2016, 06:13 PM
My private is $3 more than my exclusive on SM due to peepers. I hate feeling like I gave something for free when they pop in and out of my shows and it totally throws off my rhythm. I saw Kortneykay post about making her private more and it really has paid off. No more peppers and if I get a private with a pepper I feel like I'm being paid for it.


I tried that for a while, but too many guys were confused by it and I found myself explaining it constantly. It was way more trouble than it was worth for me so I went back to normal lower private. I lost a lot of money because of guys who thought I was "expensive" because of my higher pvt price and would leave before I could explain it to them.

someoldnoob
08-22-2016, 06:59 PM
Anyone know why SM sells recorded videos for $2.99 on the members side without telling us or paying us for them? I just had two people in my room telling me about them, one of them I thought was trolling me, the other is a regular who sent me a screenshot. It doesn't show up under my videos, and I never recorded it or uploaded it. The guy who bought it described it to me, and it must have been a show last night, so the purchase isn't even showing up under my earnings.

Is this new?

MistressX
08-22-2016, 07:16 PM
Great if they're selling vids for $3 who needs to go pvt anymore? And if thats the case I'd rather cam at cams because at least they pay you for it

someoldnoob
08-22-2016, 07:18 PM
I'm honestly hoping maybe both these guys teamed up to troll me, maybe it's the regular's fiance or something, I really don't know. I used my credit card to join the members side and couldn't find anything next to my 'about me' section on my profile or any other performers' profiles, so at this point, I just pray it's a troll...

Edit: I checked out the "Calendar" profiles that SM promotes, and I can see the "My Photos" tab on those profiles... I don't understand.. I don't have any vids or pics, and two customers now saying they see it.. This is really pissing me off.. I just hope I'm not the only one. I'll contact support, but I'm livid.

SuperPookie
08-22-2016, 07:27 PM
Anyone know why SM sells recorded videos for $2.99 on the members side without telling us or paying us for them? I just had two people in my room telling me about them, one of them I thought was trolling me, the other is a regular who sent me a screenshot. It doesn't show up under my videos, and I never recorded it or uploaded it. The guy who bought it described it to me, and it must have been a show last night, so the purchase isn't even showing up under my earnings.

Is this new? Yeah they did that crap to me. They record your shows and sell them on the white labels for $3 each but you don't get a percentage. It pisses me off.

SuperPookie
08-22-2016, 07:30 PM
It took me weeks to get it removed and even then I was told I need to message each site individually to get it taken off all of them. Mine was on a site called Slut Roulette. Streamate support said we agreed to this when we joined:/.

someoldnoob
08-22-2016, 07:35 PM
That's exactly what I was fearing. Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. If only I knew which site these guys could see it on :/ -_- Do you know if they are the affiliates *themselves* who are recording and uploading, like how they do with the gold shows?

SuperPookie
08-22-2016, 07:39 PM
I think it's just automatically done by Streamate because mine was a Exclusive and SM support knew right away what I was talking about but basically said tough shit at first .

Petite-
08-22-2016, 07:44 PM
Do you guys have geo-block on? I wonder if they only do shit like this to non geo-blocked girl or all of us? I have geo-block on and haven't found any videos of me yet ( I haven't worked for long tho)

SuperPookie
08-22-2016, 07:59 PM
I do but I did have it off for about a week once so it's possible that video was recorded then. I suspect there's probably lot's more that I don't know about still floating around.

xCamLovex
08-22-2016, 08:12 PM
Yeah it's true that SM had individual contracts for SOME white labels when it comes to DMCA they will tell u to contact certain sites yourself. But helll! That's why we pay 65% to SMor to ANY cam site. So we don't hVe to reach out to random people for our takedowns.

How do u find out if they are selling your videos? Would someone be kind and be willing to search for me? I have a stalker and it's really important that my geoblocking doesn't get violated by an affiliate

xCamLovex
08-22-2016, 10:02 PM
GEOBLOCK DOES NOT MAKE YOU EXEMPT FROM AFFILIATE MARKETING. You must send an email and opt out formally.

Despite my geoblock being on, I've ended up on tube sites by SM affiliates. They don't always check like they are supposed to. When that happens I report them to SM. Affiliates should be held responsible for their actions f they want to get paid, just like us.

Mare
08-23-2016, 06:53 AM
I am seriously so effing sick of the peepers in private chat! I will literally stop what I'm doing every time someone enters and put the block screen up and then block them if they leave early. I don't even care anymore if it disrupts the show. Seriously blocking so many people every day! How is this lucrative to SM to have so many assholes blocked or given freebies?! I block at least 10 assholes a day.
Exactly. Between that and the stupid ratings crap I block tons of people. How are you blocking them after if they leave early. I pull up the notes, but then I have to leave myself a note to ban them and get them the next time they show up in the room. It's a PITA. Pisses me off to no end b/c I have better things to do.

someoldnoob
08-23-2016, 06:54 AM
That's what I don't get..why pay so much if I have to do their job, too...

I didn't even know they were until a customer asked me what I do in my video. I had no idea what he was talking about, so I asked what video he's referring to... That's when he told me there's a video for $3 but the way he described it didn't sound like me (he called a teal dress 'blue panties' so..) but the regular who was in my room at that moment confirmed it and sent me a screen shot. I have geo-blocking on and can't even find my profile when I search for it using a VPN, so this pissed me off in so many ways. I'll see what SM responds with, and hopefully they can take it down. I agree, why would someone get a show when they can watch my videos or buy them for less than one minute of my show price? I only do certain things in exclusive, and this was taken from an exclusive chat, so that really bothered me. I'm aware of the risk of recorded videos, but I do what I can to protect myself (my sanity and mental health due to stalkers, as well) and to feel that was breached and I don't even receive a cut? Oh hell nah.