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.MPP.
11-26-2015, 05:08 PM
Um, why isn't having an accurate and up to date model agreement important to you? Yeah people may not read the TOS on a lot of big box websites like say Facebook but most models I know actually do carefully read and consider their model agreements. Especially on a fetish website, it is important because so much fetish stuff can accidentally fall under obscene or illegal. Don't you want your models to feel secure in applying to your website to work? It certainly doesn't make me feel like the well being of the models is considered important if the most basic document that outlines not only our rights but yours, isn't complete or given much thought to.

space_cowgirl
11-26-2015, 06:01 PM
^ Not having a model agreement, TOS, or rules to read before streaming happens all the time with new sites. Happened on www.freewebcams.com for one. Honestly, at least thegooddoctor is on here actually answering questions.

SuperPookie
11-26-2015, 06:05 PM
I have streamed on his site and enjoyed it. My feed was much smoother and faster then on streamate without any of their damn tech issues either. When I messaged him with a question he got back to me right away. The traffic is low at the moment unfortunately but if that picks up I think it definitely has potential.

space_cowgirl
11-26-2015, 08:37 PM
Are models making any money doing privates here?

thegooddoctor
11-26-2015, 10:05 PM
Every time someone has brought up an issue in this thread, either in a polite or not so polite manner, you have responded in a way that, to me, is unnecessarily defensive and testy. And also, I don't know if this is a weird energy i'm picking up for no reason or if other people feel it too, but i'm getting a manner of superiority. Like you know and understand sooooo much more than us. I know you said you didn't specifically come here to advertise to models or to get people to sign up, but this is a model forum and by posting here, you are representing yourself and your site to models. Whether you came here with the intention of doing that or not, that is what you are doing. And I honestly find you kinda grating. Again, could just be me...

If you "just honestly don't have the time to do all the quotes and everything", I won't either because i'm not going to sign up for the site either way and it's almost 3am right now in my part of the world and I need to go to bed. But I wish I had the time and energy to dedicate because I disagree with almost everything you've said.

It's not that I feel that I know soooo much more than you. The fact of the matter here, is that it's my company and I will run my company in the best manner I can think of that will achieve my goals for the company. I am always up for listening to suggestions, but when you phrase your "suggestions" to me using inflamatory language and telling me that I'm wrong without an ounce of politeness and ostenibly just telling me how to run my company, yeah, I'm going to be a little testy, especially given that I'm willing to put money on the fact that you've never actually ran a cam site before. Working as a cam model does not equate to experience on the administrative and business side of it.


Nobody said you were pimping. If you're referring to what I said here:
Please note the bolded text. I was basically saying I'm glad you're NOT pimping us. You cleared that up. We may have initially thought you were, but it would appear that you are not, since you clarified the pay percentage breakdown. I know you're not making an extra profit off of the ModelNet thing and that it's mainly a means to get more traffic and income for everyone.

I know it's late, you're tired, I'm tired, everyone's tired. I just wanted to clear up that nobody called you a pimp in this thread (I did a ctrl + f search to see if I missed something).

I don't really feel like commenting on anything else right now. Have a good night everyone!

Thank you for clarifying that. It is greatly appreciated.


on the bottom of the Agreement is mentioned Lucid Entertainment, LLC , is it sure Dr. Clockwork LLC on checks/wire, or Lucid Entertainment, LLC ?

Again, boiler plate text. I'm not quite sure who Lucid Entertainment is. It's definitely Dr. Clockwork, LLC. I just wrote up a batch of them.


Um, why isn't having an accurate and up to date model agreement important to you? Yeah people may not read the TOS on a lot of big box websites like say Facebook but most models I know actually do carefully read and consider their model agreements. Especially on a fetish website, it is important because so much fetish stuff can accidentally fall under obscene or illegal. Don't you want your models to feel secure in applying to your website to work? It certainly doesn't make me feel like the well being of the models is considered important if the most basic document that outlines not only our rights but yours, isn't complete or given much thought to.

Because while it the boiler plate text, I have read it all the way through, and I allow my models do everything that is in there, and give them a LOT more freedom on top of what is written there. The final version is going to be giving additional rights to the models, not taking them away. But honestly, it doesn't matter. Cam sites can change their agreements whenever they feel like it, and revise the rules as they see fit. It's the owner's site, and they can do what they want with it. If you don't like the new agreement, their attitude is then that you don't have to work there. It's like any piece of software you use. You have to agree to their terms, or you can't use it. Granted cam sites usually don't go changing their terms willy nilly, or if they do, it's usually only minor changes for clarification or adding a new rule that just came up, because they're established and have had the time and money to have their lawyers write it, rewrite it, have a committee about it, what-have-you, but my site's been live.... 5 weeks now? And it was a rush job to get it up and running because the Kink Live ship was sinking and I was trying to throw together a life raft as quickly as I could. Give me a minute. I'll get to it. I promise. Writing up a legalese document that most people don't bother to read is slightly lower priority than making sure that the site works. But now I turn the question back on you. Have you read the agreement, as is? Is there anything in there that isn't in any other agreement from any other cam site? Again, where I want to go with the Model Agreement is less restrictive than how it's currently written, so I'd rather let them sign the more restrictive boiler plate text now, and then grant the models a whole bunch of extra rights and abilities later when I get the chance. Plus, if anyone takes the time to ask me the rules, I'm more than happy to go over what the rules ACTUALLY are. For example, there are some types of fetish shows that, according to the model agreement, aren't allowed. I have no problem with them. So I'll tell the model, "it's ok. You can do this type of show. You're not going to get in trouble with me because of it," and they don't, because I'm the one who said that they could.


Are models making any money doing privates here?

Yeah. Our top model made a little shy of $1500 this past 2 week pay period. Most of her money came from "kink sessions" as opposed to privates, which are flat rate private shows. We have a couple of customers who take models private usually for about an hour at a time. And at an average of $6/ min for private chat...

.MPP.
11-27-2015, 12:52 AM
Okay that makes sense. :)
I have a question, how is placement determined, both offline and online?

thegooddoctor
11-27-2015, 01:10 AM
Okay that makes sense. :)
I have a question, how is placement determined, both offline and online?

At the moment, it's roughly based on how much someone's made, with some adjustments that I can manually make, but shortly it will be based on who's logged in most recently. I HATE the concept of cam score, and I want to do away with it and treat all the models fairly and equally.

space_cowgirl
11-27-2015, 11:06 AM
Great. I'm looking forward to trying it out more this week.

SuperPookie
11-27-2015, 04:13 PM
Are models making any money doing privates here? Right now there's a Russian girl charging 2$ per minute so I would say the possibility might be there but not if that keeps up. That being said I did get one show which was about 56$ & I'm not going to complain about that.

thegooddoctor
11-27-2015, 11:54 PM
Yeah... that's a network girl I pulled in for filler. Some of the network girls are quite nice. I've spoken to a couple. A few of the sites... I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on, and they'll probably go the way of the dinosaur.

SuperPookie
11-28-2015, 09:43 AM
Haha, well at least you gave them a shot

thegooddoctor
11-28-2015, 04:03 PM
It really depends on the site that I'm pulling from, I've found. BBW's is a big fetish (no pun intended), and one of the sites I pull from is All BBW Cams. The girls I've spoken to there are absolutely lovely. They're personable, they actually SPEAK to and engage the customers, etc. Exactly what I want. Then there are a few other Eastern Euro studio sites that don't jive with my vision of how I want a site run. I already pulled one site that you couldn't even SEE the model unless you were taking them private. I don't agree with that practice, as I feel that good and loyal customers come from free chat, so I turned that site off.

AlyssaJane
11-28-2015, 08:01 PM
BBW cammodel here more and more tempted to sign up, mostly because I really appreciate the transparency of this thread.

SuperPookie
11-28-2015, 09:50 PM
It really depends on the site that I'm pulling from, I've found. BBW's is a big fetish (no pun intended), and one of the sites I pull from is All BBW Cams. The girls I've spoken to there are absolutely lovely. They're personable, they actually SPEAK to and engage the customers, etc. Exactly what I want. Then there are a few other Eastern Euro studio sites that don't jive with my vision of how I want a site run. I already pulled one site that you couldn't even SEE the model unless you were taking them private. I don't agree with that practice, as I feel that good and loyal customers come from free chat, so I turned that site off. ifriends has that option but I could never make any $$ doing it. Otherwise to be honest I totally would lol.
Anyway my question was when doing kink shows what again am I supposed to click on to keep from it being broadcast to anyone who clicks on my room?

thegooddoctor
11-29-2015, 04:15 AM
BBW cammodel here more and more tempted to sign up, mostly because I really appreciate the transparency of this thread.

I don't know what its like to work for the other site, but we welcome women of all shapes and sizes on MFL as long as you have an understanding that we're a Fetish site and what that means/ entails.


ifriends has that option but I could never make any $$ doing it. Otherwise to be honest I totally would lol.
Anyway my question was when doing kink shows what again am I supposed to click on to keep from it being broadcast to anyone who clicks on my room?

For that, you click on "kick others" when you set up the kink session.

space_cowgirl
11-30-2015, 06:30 PM
Are kink shows different from private shows? ETA: Oh, I read the description above. Do these start automatically, then I click on kick others? Also, kink shows are still private, but a flat rate rather than per minute, is that correct?

SuperPookie
12-01-2015, 09:32 PM
Please add the option to keep notes on the guys who enter the room . I just confused a Dom with a ABDL and I can pretty much guarentee that's one dude who's not going to want a show with me again lol.

thegooddoctor
12-02-2015, 03:08 AM
Kink Sessions are similar to gold shows on other sites, or play sessions on the old Kink Live. It's a flat rate buy in, as opposed to PPM. The software is set up to do these types of shows either publicly or privately. There's a button on the bottom of the performer page that says "start tip goal." That pops up a box where you put in the description of the show, the total amount for the goal, your minimum buy in, the timer for the countdown, and there's a checkbox for "kick others." The checkbox for kick others kicks out anyone in the room who hasn't paid for the show and basically makes the show private. In the near future, I'm going to rework a bit of the UI for that to make it a bit more intuitive.

And yeah, the notes section is already on the "to do" list, among many other features and tweaks that we hope will make life a lot easier for everyone.

thegooddoctor
12-02-2015, 03:09 AM
Please add the option to keep notes on the guys who enter the room . I just confused a Dom with a ABDL and I can pretty much guarentee that's one dude who's not going to want a show with me again lol.

You'd be surprised at how understanding our members can be. If he comes back into the room, just be honest and apologize to him. I'm sure he'll understand.

space_cowgirl
12-02-2015, 02:43 PM
The software is set up to do these types of shows either publicly or privately. There's a button on the bottom of the performer page that says "start tip goal." That pops up a box where you put in the description of the show, the total amount for the goal, your minimum buy in, the timer for the countdown, and there's a checkbox for "kick others." The checkbox for kick others kicks out anyone in the room who hasn't paid for the show and basically makes the show private.
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Can I just put my vote toward eliminating public shows in any form? Please? Don't devolve into the MFC, CB, etc., model. I would love for this site to have real fetishists interacting, privately.

Tsani
12-05-2015, 04:20 PM
A question: are we allowed to have music playing in the background while we're streaming? I know different sites have different rules about that. I had some playing quietly in the background when I was on there before but I wasn't sure if it was allowed or not. If not, sorry! :D

Magical_Hoohah
12-05-2015, 05:23 PM
If I reply to onsite emails (the "Messages" tab), will it be indicated somewhere that I have sent a message? I was replying to someone, but when I hit send, the page timed out, and I have no idea whether the message actually sent or not. Thanks!

thegooddoctor
12-09-2015, 09:11 AM
Can I just put my vote toward eliminating public shows in any form? Please? Don't devolve into the MFC, CB, etc., model. I would love for this site to have real fetishists interacting, privately.

Public shows are highly discouraged. Flashes, teases, spanks, basically little stuff is fine in public chat *for tips* but we ask our models to refrain from doing full shows in public. I don't see that policy changing any time soon.


A question: are we allowed to have music playing in the background while we're streaming? I know different sites have different rules about that. I had some playing quietly in the background when I was on there before but I wasn't sure if it was allowed or not. If not, sorry! :D

Music in public chat is fine. We ask that you don't play copyrighted music in paid chat. It's not that I have a particular problem with you playing music in private chat, but if you opt in to have your videos available for sale, there can't be copyrighted music in the background, lest I end up having to have a fun little discussion with the RIAA.


If I reply to onsite emails (the "Messages" tab), will it be indicated somewhere that I have sent a message? I was replying to someone, but when I hit send, the page timed out, and I have no idea whether the message actually sent or not. Thanks!

I can look that up for you if you'd like. As that's a more technical support type question, please email me at [email protected] and I'll take care of you there.


Also I'd like to note a few things:
1) I tried bringing in the network models for a couple of weeks. I have decided that was a bad plan, and have since turned them off. We still allow other sites to pull in models from our site, as the occasional model does end up getting tipped every now and again from a member on another site. It's not much, but I try to afford my models every possible revenue stream. Thus far there are only a few disrespectful members from other sites, but relative to the number of beggars and freeloaders you have to deal with on most other cam sites, it's really of no consequence.

2) Payoneer update: So I finally got an update on this one. I don't need to go into all the nitty gritty details, but long story short, is that Payoneer is on it's way to becoming a payment option. It's not going to happen in the next week or two, but it's coming down the line.

3) Periods: Earlier I was asked if period play was ok. I said I'd look into it. Based on the conversation I had, I'm going to say that it's fine, in private. Either way, any kind of penetration or stuff like that should be done in paid chat, so as long as that's followed, have at it.

4) On a related topic to #3, the cc processor/ bank and I are getting a bit more comfortable with each other, so I'm probably going to loosen up some of the already loose rules that I have a bit more, provided that those things are done in private chat. The bank doesn't seem to particularly care what I do, and I don't think I'm big enough to draw any fire directly from Mastercard, so I'm going to gently and slowly push at the boundaries until they tell me not to.

CatBBW
12-09-2015, 10:28 AM
3) Periods: Earlier I was asked if period play was ok. I said I'd look into it. Based on the conversation I had, I'm going to say that it's fine, in private. Either way, any kind of penetration or stuff like that should be done in paid chat, so as long as that's followed, have at it.

4) On a related topic to #3, the cc processor/ bank and I are getting a bit more comfortable with each other, so I'm probably going to loosen up some of the already loose rules that I have a bit more, provided that those things are done in private chat. The bank doesn't seem to particularly care what I do, and I don't think I'm big enough to draw any fire directly from Mastercard, so I'm going to gently and slowly push at the boundaries until they tell me not to.

The period request was me, so THANK YOU :)

And I am liking your 4th point.

Tsani
12-09-2015, 02:15 PM
Music in public chat is fine. We ask that you don't play copyrighted music in paid chat. It's not that I have a particular problem with you playing music in private chat, but if you opt in to have your videos available for sale, there can't be copyrighted music in the background, lest I end up having to have a fun little discussion with the RIAA.


Thanks for answering my question. I'll try to remember to pause my Spotify when starting a private just to be sure.



1) I tried bringing in the network models for a couple of weeks. I have decided that was a bad plan, and have since turned them off. We still allow other sites to pull in models from our site, as the occasional model does end up getting tipped every now and again from a member on another site. It's not much, but I try to afford my models every possible revenue stream. Thus far there are only a few disrespectful members from other sites, but relative to the number of beggars and freeloaders you have to deal with on most other cam sites, it's really of no consequence.

Is there an opt-out button on profiles for this yet? Or can we just send you a message through the site asking not to be included in being streamed on other sites?

I'm still kinda on the fence about if I even want to opt out or not. But some of the reasons for not wanting to be pulled into other sites are that
A: I like to be aware of and control what sites I show up on (also, do my geo blocks transfer over to those sites too?) and
B: The main thing that drew me to MFL in the first place was that I could be my domme fetish persona in free chat and not try to fake the bubbly camgirl persona that I used to have on mainstream sites. My fetish persona may come off as bitchy or rude to mainstream customers, therefore causing them to be abusive or disrespectful in return. Of course I can always just ban such members but I'd rather just not have to deal with it. Though if it says domme/mistress or whatever in my profile and if that info comes over onto those other sites along with my stream then I guess they've been warned lol.

Another question that I keep forgetting to ask, (and forgive me if it's already there, I've been sick for the past week or so and haven't logged on) can there be a place in the profile for pubic hair? I'm hairy down there and while that's a great fetish for some people, it's a turn-off for others. I know I could just say in my bio area "oh by the way i've got a full bush" but that sounds kinda awkward.

Thanks as always for taking the time to keep us informed and updated here!

thegooddoctor
12-09-2015, 04:52 PM
Is there an opt-out button on profiles for this yet? Or can we just send you a message through the site asking not to be included in being streamed on other sites?

No, but you can send me a message and I'll add you to the exclude list.


I'm still kinda on the fence about if I even want to opt out or not. But some of the reasons for not wanting to be pulled into other sites are that
A: I like to be aware of and control what sites I show up on (also, do my geo blocks transfer over to those sites too?) and
B: The main thing that drew me to MFL in the first place was that I could be my domme fetish persona in free chat and not try to fake the bubbly camgirl persona that I used to have on mainstream sites. My fetish persona may come off as bitchy or rude to mainstream customers, therefore causing them to be abusive or disrespectful in return. Of course I can always just ban such members but I'd rather just not have to deal with it. Though if it says domme/mistress or whatever in my profile and if that info comes over onto those other sites along with my stream then I guess they've been warned lol.

A) Most cam sites don't mention whitelabels or network sites, let alone provide a list of them. And they certainly don't give you an option to opt out. I'm do respect the wishes of my models in that regard. But be fair here, this is not an uncommon occurrence that models are broadcast across multiple domains. I'm not doing anything weird, or out of the ordinary here. And for what it's worth, it's done with the best intentions- to give the models a little extra traffic while we're growing. Personally, I'd prefer to keep my models to my site only. It adds a bit of exclusivity. But I'm also aware that models need to make a living, which is why I allow split camming and broadcasting through the network. While we do have a handful that are making a decent living camming solely on MFL, for the most part, they brought their own dedicated following with them, are getting the additional affiliate percentage, and cam almost every day. And I encourage all of my models to do exactly that- to bring their big spender regulars over and hit them up with that affiliate link to bump your cut up to 60%. However, not every models is close enough with their regulars to pull them onto another site, or they just expect me to supply all their traffic for them, and/ or are unwilling to put in a bit of work on their end. Those models statistically don't do as well. We're a small indy niche site. I'm not going to spend a quarter million per month on buying shit traffic who isn't into bdsm and fetish, in hopes to get you a handful of paying customers. That's just not the business plan I've adopted because for the type of content we provide, that just isn't going to work. So in the meantime, I try to help the models who don't bring their following with them by giving them the opportunity to have that little bump in traffic.

And yes, your geoblocking should still be relevant.

B) I encourage you to be who you want to be on MFL. If you want to be a domme, rock on. We have a good number of submissive men on the site who pay top dollar for solid dommes. You don't have to be bubbly on my site. But I do think we're having a tiny miscommunication. We don't HAVE abusive members on our site. Even from the network, the worst I've seen is someone asking for free flashes. The models say no, and then they go away to another room and ask that model and eventually just leave. But I have never seen a member speak abusively to a model on my site, and we're what? 7 weeks in now? That behavior is simply NOT tolerated. Yeah, we're relatively low traffic, but we cut out all the crap traffic that we don't want in the first place.

Traffic is kind of hard to explain properly. The raw numbers dont really mean anything. They tend to be what people go by, but I honestly think that most site are doing it wrong. It's all about the ratio of paying members to nonpaying members. Most cam sites have less than 1/100 people with member accounts who have ever bought credits. I ran the statistics on MFL's member list last week. We're at roughly 1/4. So yeah, you'll sit in an empty room as opposed to being immediately inundated with guests who ether don't talk or beg for free shit, but when you do get a member in, you have a much higher chance of them being a paying member. You just really can't compare our traffic volume to how any other site does things. It's just too different of a business model. As opposed to looking at how many people are in your room here, you almost have to look at it from the perspective of who are you NOT getting in your room? You're not going to get a huge amount of disrespectful people, freeloaders or beggars. That's just not our member base.


Another question that I keep forgetting to ask, (and forgive me if it's already there, I've been sick for the past week or so and haven't logged on) can there be a place in the profile for pubic hair? I'm hairy down there and while that's a great fetish for some people, it's a turn-off for others. I know I could just say in my bio area "oh by the way i've got a full bush" but that sounds kinda awkward.

Thanks as always for taking the time to keep us informed and updated here!

At the moment, probably not. In v2, yeah, that's s probably an option. There are two parts to the software that runs the site. There's the actual video and audio streaming section that runs the performer app, and the player and chat room on the member's side. And then there's this, for lack of a better term, content management system that the stream builds that into a site. It does what it does quite well, but it's not flexible. The software creates a website designed for a certain purpose. What it doesn't do, is offer a platform upon which a website can be built and customized to spec. My v2 of the site is basically going to rip out the stream and embed it into my own CMS that I use that is much more flexible and extensible. Once I get there, then I'll be able to build out profile fields ad hoc a lot easier.

Tsani
12-09-2015, 05:57 PM
No, but you can send me a message and I'll add you to the exclude list.


Cool beans.



A) Most cam sites don't mention whitelabels or network sites, let alone provide a list of them. And they certainly don't give you an option to opt out. I'm do respect the wishes of my models in that regard. But be fair here, this is not an uncommon occurrence that models are broadcast across multiple domains. I'm not doing anything weird, or out of the ordinary here. And for what it's worth, it's done with the best intentions- to give the models a little extra traffic while we're growing.


I'm very aware of whitelabels and right now I'm not camming on any sites that have them. That may change, I'm not sure. I wasn't attacking your choice to open up your models to appearing on network sites, nor was I saying that it was out of the ordinary. I was just pointing out that I'm not sure if it's for me. I have worked on sites with whitelabels in the past but I'm going for a different approach this time around with my new persona that I've created after a long hiatus. I'm currently only camming on your site and indy. Health and schedule issues prevent me from doing much more than that at the moment. I certainly don't speak for everyone with the questions that I'm posing.

I can appreciate that you're being far more transparent with your site than most other cam sites out there.



B) I encourage you to be who you want to be on MFL. If you want to be a domme, rock on. We have a good number of submissive men on the site who pay top dollar for solid dommes. You don't have to be bubbly on my site. But I do think we're having a tiny miscommunication. We don't HAVE abusive members on our site. Even from the network, the worst I've seen is someone asking for free flashes. The models say no, and then they go away to another room and ask that model and eventually just leave. But I have never seen a member speak abusively to a model on my site, and we're what? 7 weeks in now? That behavior is simply NOT tolerated. Yeah, we're relatively low traffic, but we cut out all the crap traffic that we don't want in the first place.


Glad to hear the traffic from network sites is non abusive. That's just been my experience with more mainstream sites and since I don't know where exactly the traffic is coming from it's hard to judge how they're gonna react to a fetish based performer on a non fetish based site. Not exactly a miscommunication, I just wasn't aware and I was sharing some of my thoughts.



At the moment, probably not. In v2, yeah, that's s probably an option. There are two parts to the software that runs the site. There's the actual video and audio streaming section that runs the performer app, and the player and chat room on the member's side. And then there's this, for lack of a better term, content management system that the stream builds that into a site. It does what it does quite well, but it's not flexible. The software creates a website designed for a certain purpose. What it doesn't do, is offer a platform upon which a website can be built and customized to spec. My v2 of the site is basically going to rip out the stream and embed it into my own CMS that I use that is much more flexible and extensible. Once I get there, then I'll be able to build out profile fields ad hoc a lot easier.

No problem, I know how CMS and web development and the restrictions of prepackaged software are so keep on keepin' on :)

kortneykay
12-09-2015, 06:10 PM
I was wondering about All BBW Cams (my first box site) as the interface looked and sounded similar.

I'm not sure if this has been asked/answered before but is there a way to have a static photo from the live model's list? I hovered my mouse over my photo (and others) and obviously saw my free chat. SM used to do that (still does I think) but most of us request it to be turned off so it encourages guys not to lurk 'outside' though some can if they have our links. I feel like it encourages more sales because we actually get to see the member's info and can try and make the sale at least. Thanks.

thegooddoctor
12-10-2015, 10:32 PM
I was wondering about All BBW Cams (my first box site) as the interface looked and sounded similar.

I'm not sure if this has been asked/answered before but is there a way to have a static photo from the live model's list? I hovered my mouse over my photo (and others) and obviously saw my free chat. SM used to do that (still does I think) but most of us request it to be turned off so it encourages guys not to lurk 'outside' though some can if they have our links. I feel like it encourages more sales because we actually get to see the member's info and can try and make the sale at least. Thanks.

I could turn the video preview off, but I am inclined to disagree that it negatively impacts models. I think quite the opposite, in fact. As a guy, my perspective is that I don't want to bother a girl if I'm not interested in her at the moment. I don't want to be the jerk who goes into a room, and then leaves because the model isn't what I'm looking for at that moment. I may have every intention on coming back to visit her later, but if I'm on a cam site, I'm looking for something specific. I don't want to be "that jerk who just came in and left without saying hello." Yeah, models generally don't tend to remember every guy who does that, but the guys who are viewing you don't really "get" that. Photos don't necessarily do a person justice in either direction, so I never trust them. A few seconds of video is enough for me to decide whether or not I want to go into a room or not.

onox
12-11-2015, 10:21 AM
Happy to hear that Payoneer is becoming a payment option !

.MPP.
12-12-2015, 01:26 PM
Does MFL have ads up on other sites? Where are you getting traffic from at this point, is it all just social media & word of mouth?

severa
12-13-2015, 12:00 AM
The checks come in a plain envelope. I generally put an address label on them that says Dr. Clockwork LLC which is my parent company for the site (I run it under my other company's tax id). I don't need to put my address label on your check though. That said, direct deposit is an available option, so you don't have to worry about checks at all.

Ohhh I forgot to mention that I'm in Canada, so no direct deposit for me :( And I really don't want to mess around with online payment processors. How long would a check take to make it's way here do you think?

submissive bitch
12-13-2015, 09:50 PM
Does MFL have ads up on other sites? Where are you getting traffic from at this point, is it all just social media & word of mouth?

This. Still required to pretty much drive your own traffic?

onox
12-14-2015, 11:23 AM
@ thegooddoctor I find it very strange that a performer from MFL is entering the free-chat from another performer and starts a discussion visible for everybody. It is only one performer but still not looking professional.

Tsani
12-14-2015, 01:51 PM
@ thegooddoctor I find it very strange that a performer from MFL is entering the free-chat from another performer and starts a discussion visible for everybody. It is only one performer but still not looking professional.

That happens on lots of sites. I used to visit my friend's rooms and vice versa on Cam4 and other sites briefly. Sometimes to check each other's stream and sound, etc. It's up to the performer to decide how to handle it. I'm not sure if MFL has an option to not allow other performers into their rooms like MFC does, but I don't think they do. If the performer doesn't want them there, they can kick them. But yeah, talking shop in free chat can sometimes look unprofessional.

thegooddoctor
12-16-2015, 02:18 AM
Does MFL have ads up on other sites? Where are you getting traffic from at this point, is it all just social media & word of mouth?

Not yet, but that will be coming soon. I'm trying to be very specific in the sites that I advertise on to ensure that it's driving quality traffic to the site. Frankly, that's a bit of a challenge.


Ohhh I forgot to mention that I'm in Canada, so no direct deposit for me :( And I really don't want to mess around with online payment processors. How long would a check take to make it's way here do you think?

A few days? I suppose it depends on where you are in Canada. I'm on the east coast. It will be a lot faster to mail a check to Toronto than, say, Vancouver.


This. Still required to pretty much drive your own traffic?

Required? I "require" very little of my models. Does it help if you bring your own regulars? Yes. Do I encourage models to bring their regulars over? Yes. Is there ever a reason not to encourage models to bring their own regulars? I don't know of a site that doesn't want new members, especially ones that are familiar with one (or more) of the models already... But I'll give you an anecdote to illustrate my point. Two models from the old KL site moved over to MFL. One, was one of KL's top models and used to make gobs of money, hand over fist. The other was in the middle of the pack. She did ok, but was never a heavy earner. The middle of the pack model was an early adopter of the site and brought her own regulars over and is doing very well. Still not a top earner, but she's definitely up there and doing better than she did on KL, I think. The top model from KL took her time to come over and make an account, didn't bring any of her regulars with her, and isn't doing nearly as well.


@ thegooddoctor I find it very strange that a performer from MFL is entering the free-chat from another performer and starts a discussion visible for everybody. It is only one performer but still not looking professional.

I'm not sure I entirely understand what you mean, but the models on the site have kind of a family atmosphere, which I do encourage. We don't have a competitive environment on MFL. It's not uncommon for a model to visit another model's room using their perv account, hang out, maybe tip another model to encourage members to start tipping if it's slow... So far I haven't seen any complaints of models trying to poach customers. That's just not how we roll on the site.

SuperPookie
12-25-2015, 04:43 PM
Is anyone making money on here? I kind of gave up because I just wasn't getting any traffic at all but I really like the idea of the site a lot so was wondering if I should try again. Last time I literally sat for two hours without a single member coming in my room ,just a few freeloading guests.

.MPP.
12-25-2015, 07:32 PM
I gave up too. I could get some old regulars to come in and spend money on me, but I could get their money direct for Skype just as easy. Seems like a waste of time to work on a site with literally zero traffic.

LaylaLovely
12-25-2015, 09:03 PM
I was on for a week and a half ...first day literally minutes in I got a good private and then a tipper for 54$ my cut ..then after that first day nothing..

thegooddoctor
12-27-2015, 04:18 AM
Our top model makes about $700/ week. Most of our active models cam 2-3 times per week and are in the $200/ week range. We just had a brand new model (never cammed before) sign up the other day and after camming a handful of times now, she's made about $150. So... there's money to be made. You just gotta know how to get it from our members.

As far as traffic goes, it's been a bit slow this past week due to Christmas, but on the whole, we're getting around 1000 hits per day, give or take. Our peak hours tend to be 9 PM to 2 AM EST. We have a couple of our bigger customers who come in during the morning/ early afternoons when they get off of work in the UK area.

From what I've noticed, statistically, switches and submissives tend to do better than Dommes- there's just more that they DO in chat to keep the members engaged and spending, rather than sit and wait for a private, cuz that's just not how the culture is evolving on the site. Other than that, the best advice I can offer is to be patient. A lot of the regulars on the site already have their favorite models, and it's going to take some time for them to get used to the "new girl." Remember, this is a strictly fetish website. They need to get to know you before they're going to start paying, because they want to ensure that you'll be able to provide the service that they require. Be engaging and nice. I'd like to suggest against calling MFL your secondary and/ or "crappier" site to members, as that can be a bit off putting to someone who wants to be on MFL.

SuperPookie
12-27-2015, 10:05 AM
My issue hasn't been that I'm not keeping members who entered my room, just that no one entered my room at all. I would say that in the last 4-5 total hours I'm been on in there I probably had 4-5 guys and they were all from my Twitter who just saw I had logged in and followed me to chat, except for one very weird freeloader and then the very last time no one at all. It's of course possible that I'm just not the physical type that the majority of your members like though so they don't click on me to begin with.

space_cowgirl
12-27-2015, 11:03 AM
Doc, I have a suggestion based on things models have said. Can you please not camp out in our rooms? I understand checking in, but not sitting there making chit chat. It's uncomfortable and awkward and, for myself, disruptive to my hustle. Obviously you're the site owner and can do whatever you want, but it's keeping many of us from fully utilizing the site.

SuperPookie
12-27-2015, 01:29 PM
I'm going to second the idea of not being able to see our free chat when someone hovers over our room. When no one is in my room I'm not"on" . I'll be reading a book, eating a snack, playing on my phone etc. Basically doing everything but try and look sexy for air lol.

LaylaLovely
12-27-2015, 01:38 PM
Yea that's the point no one came into my room to convert not even free guests .. And I cam 5 days a week 6-9 hours a day ...I like the site just really gotta get on top of traffic. Also I am a switch and basically don't have any fetishes I don't do so I know that's not my prob. In the end traffic wins over all!

Tsani
12-28-2015, 08:22 PM
Doc, I have a suggestion based on things models have said. Can you please not camp out in our rooms? I understand checking in, but not sitting there making chit chat. It's uncomfortable and awkward and, for myself, disruptive to my hustle. Obviously you're the site owner and can do whatever you want, but it's keeping many of us from fully utilizing the site.

I agree that it's very distracting and disruptive of our hustle when people sit around in our rooms chatting.

I just wanted to add to this a suggestion for thegooddoctor. I know you're trying to create an atmosphere on the site where we're all one big family or friends and we should be able to chat with each other. But that's not always good while we're trying to focus on our customers. I don't cam on Cam4 anymore, but when I did, one of the cam models who also worked for the site had model training sessions a few times a week in her room with a password that was given only to other cam models on the site. They were like fun little staff meetings. Maybe you could do something like that in your room? Like scheduled staff meetings or training or brainstorming sessions or get to know you type things?

Just a suggestion :)

thegooddoctor
12-29-2015, 10:40 AM
Yea that's the point no one came into my room to convert not even free guests .. And I cam 5 days a week 6-9 hours a day ...I like the site just really gotta get on top of traffic. Also I am a switch and basically don't have any fetishes I don't do so I know that's not my prob. In the end traffic wins over all!

I'm working on traffic. It's a catch 22 though. If I don't have models on the site, bringing traffic is just going to be a waste of money. But if I don't get more traffic then newer models aren't going to stay around. I've been waiting to see how things go organically, and to be honest, this past week aside, it's been better and better every week, but its a slow process. I've had to use my profits for some of my own bills lately (hey, I gotta eat too), but once I have amassed a bit I'll give some ad spots a try. It's also challenging, because I want to bring traffic in, and I'm willing to spend for highly qualified traffic, but that's kind of not how the traffic industry works. Most of it is based around cheap, crap traffic, which isn't what I want, but it might be the only answer to the issue. I'll continue to research.


I agree that it's very distracting and disruptive of our hustle when people sit around in our rooms chatting.

I just wanted to add to this a suggestion for thegooddoctor. I know you're trying to create an atmosphere on the site where we're all one big family or friends and we should be able to chat with each other. But that's not always good while we're trying to focus on our customers. I don't cam on Cam4 anymore, but when I did, one of the cam models who also worked for the site had model training sessions a few times a week in her room with a password that was given only to other cam models on the site. They were like fun little staff meetings. Maybe you could do something like that in your room? Like scheduled staff meetings or training or brainstorming sessions or get to know you type things?

Just a suggestion :)

Ooh. I like that a lot. I think it will be hard to get everyone together, as I'm not entirely sure that the models actually read the few newsletters I've put out, but it's worth a try.

.MPP.
12-29-2015, 10:49 AM
I know who you're talking about when you say a brand new model signed up who had never cammed before and it's not really fair to say that like she just randomly discovered the site and has no fan base. She actually has quite a tumblr/Instagram following who followed her to the site to do shows with her. I think it's extremely misleading to make it seem like she just showed up and suddenly made money on the site. Comments like that are what makes your business tactics seem a little underhanded.

thegooddoctor
12-29-2015, 11:19 AM
I know who you're talking about when you say a brand new model signed up who had never cammed before and it's not really fair to say that like she just randomly discovered the site and has no fan base. She actually has quite a tumblr/Instagram following who followed her to the site to do shows with her. I think it's extremely misleading to make it seem like she just showed up and suddenly made money on the site. Comments like that are what makes your business tactics seem a little underhanded.

The model I'm talking about didn't really bring many followers with her. Most of the people in her room that I've seen have been site regulars well before she came on board. As far as her instagram/ tumblr following... I honestly have no knowledge of what kind of a following she has. I know she doesn't have a twitter. What I can say, is that she cams consistently during good hours, and she's young, cute and tiny, and she happens to be an ab/dl, which is our most popular category on the site. Will that work for everyone? No. Of course not. But a blanket implied statement of "I didn't make money therefore no one will make money" is a little unfair as well. My statement was merely that some people ARE making decent money on the site, even new models. I'm sorry if you didn't make a lot of money on the site when you tried it out. I'm always available to offer help and suggestions. Now keep in mind here that I don't want to tell you how to run your show, nor am I saying that "I know more than you." However, I track the analytics on the entire site and have a broader perspective to see what statistically tends to work for our paying members on the site and what doesn't.

space_cowgirl
12-29-2015, 11:42 AM
I love Alex's suggestion, and I'm glad you're open to constructive crit, Doc.

Tsani
12-29-2015, 11:51 AM
I love Alex's suggestion, and I'm glad you're open to constructive crit, Doc.

I'm Alex by the way in case you were wondering, Doc lol. It's my old cam persona's first name and a lot of people on here know me by it.